iPhone 3GS or 4?

[Muct]

Still have like a week until I go out looking at the iPhones and everything, I decided I definately wanted an iPhone and origonally wanted the iPhone 4, but hearing about the signal losses and all the other bugs, I'm not too sure...
Sometimes I do hold my phone on the left hand side when I'm busy and I don't realize it, so the signal loss is a chance with me. Also I do tend to like, accidently drop things lol and I've heard that simply dropping the iPhone 4 could smash it to bits...
So, iPhone 3GS or 4? I also like the design of the iPhone 3GS better but yeah :L

[Pyroka]

tbh I'd get the iPhone 3GS until they sort out the iphone 4 in (hopefully) september.

[Fallen]

Well if your looking to get the iphone in like a week, i would get the Iphone 3GS. Iphone 4 is still ****zed :L

[danzooo]

My replies to these iPhone threads always have and always will be the exact same - go for the iPhone 4. Having owned one since they came out, I think I'd know that it's a fantastic phone. These bugs and signal loss issues are a simple blot on the landscape - they make virtually no difference to the overall enjoyment of the phone.

The signal problem is easily fixed by placing your phone down for a few seconds, then it reappears. The proximity sensor can be solved by pressing the phone slightly harder against your face or using the headphones + mic.

Seriously mate, if you got a 3G S then had a shot of a 4 afterwards you'd be suicidal, even the simple things like the screen resolution on the 4 is enough to warrant having one over a 3G S. And if your that bothered about dropping it and breaking it, Apple are giving away free cases to all owners of iPhone 4s, so already that issue is cleared up.

Nowadays I really don't understand why you would actually choose a 3G S over a 4, it's like choosing to buy an old Escort over a brand new top of the range Focus - the new one makes so much more sense.

[Recursion]

iPhone 4 if you're set on going into the hellish world of Apple's control over their products.

[Lycan]

I'm also considering a jump to Iphone, for what it is.. its mighty expensive, ether that or a jump back to the HD2, I've had enough of Android - There lack of full proxy support for business users is just shocking.

[MrPinkPanther]

The thing is Apple products are expensive but they use the most expensive components. I saw the costings of an iMac on a website yesterday and if you used the identical components that Apple do to build a PC then it would cost considerably more than the iMac and you wouldn't have an operating system.

I'd go for the iPhone 4. No point buying outdated hardware brand new :).

[Nemo]

The thing is Apple products are expensive but they use the most expensive components. I saw the costings of an iMac on a website yesterday and if you used the identical components that Apple do to build a PC then it would cost considerably more than the iMac and you wouldn't have an operating system.

I'd go for the iPhone 4. No point buying outdated hardware brand new :).I agree. Even though there are bugs, might aswell go for it anyway

[:DBeth:D]

Tbf there both crap :) especially the iphone 4 ~ I know people who have both :) But I would say get the 3gs :P

[flatface]

Tbf there both crap :) especially the iphone 4 ~ I know people who have both :) But I would say get the 3gs :P

Everyone I've talked to that has the iPhone 4 has said that it's amazing and have no problems what do ever with signal etc. Not too sure how you can say it's crap to be honest, may not be to some people's taste but its definitely not crap.

[Recursion]

The thing is Apple products are expensive but they use the most expensive components. I saw the costings of an iMac on a website yesterday and if you used the identical components that Apple do to build a PC then it would cost considerably more than the iMac and you wouldn't have an operating system.

I'd go for the iPhone 4. No point buying outdated hardware brand new :).

What? Just... no.

Apple uses EXACTLY the same hardware as other manufacturers. INFACT It comes from the same factory most of the time (Foxconn's).

And oh look, a Dell with better specs, monitor, keyboard, mouse and Windows included... for cheaper. Yes, your point has just been totally smashed into tiny little shards with my pownage hammer.

(Sorry, didn't get the price, it was ~£679, you can check on their site if you really want to).
http://skitch.*****.co.uk/The_Dell_Online_Store__Build_Your_System-20100808-200827.jpg

-vs-

http://skitch.*****.co.uk/iMac_-_Apple_Store_%28U.K.%29-20100808-200917.jpg

[danzooo]

To be honest you buy a Mac for it's appeal - it's a beautiful machine and once you're used to it, OS X is wonderful.

And the iPhone 4 is definitely NOT crap, anyone who says this has clearly never owned one themselves.

[Recursion]

I don't see why people are recommending outdated hardware, the iPhone 4 murders the iPhone 3GS as long as you use a case :P


To be honest you buy a Mac for it's appeal - it's a beautiful machine and once you're used to it, OS X is wonderful.

And the iPhone 4 is definitely NOT crap, anyone who says this has clearly never owned one themselves.

I have a MacBook, It was fantastic, now it's annoying for various reasons.

[MrPinkPanther]

What? Just... no.

Apple uses EXACTLY the same hardware as other manufacturers. INFACT It comes from the same factory most of the time (Foxconn's).

And oh look, a Dell with better specs, monitor, keyboard, mouse and Windows included... for cheaper. Yes, your point has just been totally smashed into tiny little shards with my pownage hammer.

I'm not talking about equivalent cheaper components, I'm talking about the identical components that Apple uses. Take the screen of the iMac for example, the cheapest you can get it elsewhere is the Dell $999 Screen, sure you could get a screen thats the same size for $200 but the point is it isn't the same. Apple use the most expensive and arguably the best components. Speed isn't everything, you need to take into account the quality of the build.

Dell screen:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&sku=224-8284&redirect=1

[kk.]

What 'bugs' are people referring to :S the bugs on the iPhone 4, are the same as 3GS because they run the same iOS.. The only difference is this signal business. Which doesn't even matter. They're offering free cases to everyone who buys one before September 30th. And even without a case, it hasn't affected me

[Recursion]

I'm not talking about equivalent cheaper components, I'm talking about the identical components that Apple uses. Take the screen of the iMac for example, the cheapest you can get it elsewhere is the Dell $999 Screen, sure you could get a screen thats the same size for $200 but the point is it isn't the same. Apple use the most expensive and arguably the best components. Speed isn't everything, you need to take into account the quality of the build.

Dell screen:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&sku=224-8284&redirect=1

Processors: Both come from Intel factories
Motherboards: Dell and Apple get them from Foxconn
DVD/CD drives will come from somewhere like Samsung or Hitachi for both of them.
The same applies for all the components.

I think the only thing you can really say is better quality is POSSIBLY the IPS display, which you could buy elsewhere anyway.

Oh and also that Dell monitor you linked to is actually FAR FAR better than the one in the iMac, in it's size and resolution for two examples.

[MrPinkPanther]

Oh and also that Dell monitor you linked to is actually FAR FAR better than the one in the iMac, in it's size and resolution for two examples.
It's identical in specs to the £1399 iMac which is what I was comparing it too except the iMac casing looks nicer and has all of the other components built into the screen.

Lets look at the most expensive iMac.

PC
27" 2560 x 1440 monitor: $1049
Lian Li PC-C37B case: $130
Corsair 400w PSU: $50
Intel LGA 1156 P55 Mobo: $150
Intel Core i5-760: $210
Gigabye Radeon 5750: $150
G-Skill 4GB PC1333: $90
WD Blue 1TB 7200 RPM HD: $60
DVD-RW: $20
Windows 7 Home OEM: $100
Intel WiFi adapter: $25

Total: $2034


iMac
Total: $1999 or $1899 with free iPod Touch (student)

[GommeInc]

To be honest you buy a Mac for it's appeal - it's a beautiful machine and once you're used to it, OS X is wonderful.

And the iPhone 4 is definitely NOT crap, anyone who says this has clearly never owned one themselves.
The appeal? A machine that does the same thing as another machine for more money and little advantages? :S Windows 7 wipes the floor with OS/X, if you ever look into the details. It's takes plug and play to a new level, by picking up dog muck and rubbing it in Apples face before they say "You're holding it wrong."

But that is of course, opinion and use. The iPhone 4 isn't crap, but my golly the company behind it sure make themselves look like crap with their handling of the iPhone 4 fiasco :P

EDIT: Anyone who says Apple use the best components really does have their head in a hole. It's only been recently Apple have bothered to bring in the iSeries Intel processors, while any other OS and machine has had them for months, and then you still get a wider choice of what processor to use without being ripped off.

EDIT Again: Seperate minotors is a good thing, means when one thing goes wrong you do not have to send the whole thing back :P There's an image online somewhere comparing when a webcam goes wrong on an Apple iMac and a PC (possibly Dell). The whole "less cables" argument is for the weak minded, seeing as cables are not seen or heard :/

And this is, of couse, opinion :P

[Recursion]

The appeal? A machine that does the same thing as another machine for more money and little advantages? :S Windows 7 wipes the floor with OS/X, if you ever look into the details. It's takes plug and play to a new level, by picking up dog muck and rubbing it in Apples face before they say "You're holding it wrong."

But that is of course, opinion and use. The iPhone 4 isn't crap, but my golly the company behind it sure make themselves look like crap with their handling of the iPhone 4 fiasco :P

EDIT: Anyone who says Apple use the best components really does have their head in a hole. It's only been recently Apple have bothered to bring in the iSeries Intel processors, while any other OS and machine has had them for months, and then you still get a wider choice of what processor to use without being ripped off.

EDIT Again: Seperate minotors is a good thing, means when one thing goes wrong you do not have to send the whole thing back :P There's an image online somewhere comparing when a webcam goes wrong on an Apple iMac and a PC (possibly Dell). The whole "less cables" argument is for the weak minded, seeing as cables are not seen or heard :/

And this is, of couse, opinion :P

And an opinion I happen to agree with :8

[kk.]

LIES! You can see cables :P and they can be a pain if you have loads

[GommeInc]

And an opinion I happen to agree with :8
I like how badly I wrote that :P That'll teach me to have wine at night and be very tired :P

And cables are easily hidden with some cable ties, a desk and something attached to the ends of those cables to hide behind :P

[kk.]

I like how badly I wrote that :P That'll teach me to have wine at night and be very tired :P

And cables are easily hidden with some cable ties, a desk and something attached to the ends of those cables to hide behind :P

So, these are the extra costs you didn't think of! :P but srsly, the desk I have would be impossible to do that with :(

[danzooo]

I mean appeal as in the appeal of having an Apple Mac. They're beautifully crafted machines that look the business, and some of the features of OS X are pretty nifty, and simple things like the effects of a window appearing or the way the wee icons on the dock jump when you click them is all pretty cool. The Mac is more than a novelty than anything else.

However I do agree with your point that a Windows machine is better in practical terms.

[GommeInc]

Meh, can't complain about the iMac looks and appearance. If that does it for you then no problem :)

I wouldn't have one though, it's not really a style I like and they seem to become outdated faster than a PC, which is quite impressive :P

[danzooo]

Yeah! My dad has a 27" iMac and he thinks it's the dogs balls, but tbh I wouldn't have one either. I'm happy with my intel i3 sony vaio laptop tbh!

O/T definitely get an iPhone 4 if choosing between the two. Definitely worth spending the extra money on the newer phone.