Habboxlive new script

[Richie]

Hey,
Another one of my threads xD. I'm not here to rant though I just wanted
to ask people what they think of the new script david (hoteluser)
has been working on for habbox.

http://develop.davzy.com/hxl/

I personally think its great, do you think everyone should be able
to see the logs? or just management?

Do you think david could add anymore features to make it even better? Fair play to dave must of taken him hours! (Insert thank you here)

[Callum.]

think everyone should be able to see them. looks good though.

[Robbie]

It's great - well done David :D

[Blob]

Its really only public information logged over days - not really something which should be restricted.

[xxMATTGxx]

Its really only public information logged over days - not really something which should be restricted.

Depends on how the DJ's think about that and if they feel it will turn things even worse. (Don't ask, I'm sure people have their reasons).

But apart from that I think David is a star for creating this script, keep up the great work. :)

[gangstaagent1]

With the HabboxForum Live, the stats on the all songs page is being messed up. But I like the script tbh

[Richie]

Depends on how the DJ's think about that and if they feel it will turn things even worse. (Don't ask, I'm sure people have their reasons).

But apart from that I think David is a star for creating this script, keep up the great work. :)

The only djs who wouldn't want it public are the inactive ones, lets be honest xD

[xxMATTGxx]

The only djs who wouldn't want it public are the inactive ones, lets be honest xD

Well I have just created a thread in their staff forum asking if they wish for the script to be public or private. So we shall see! :P

[myke]

I think the information about how much each DJ DJs should be kept private. I'd be pretty pissed if people could see how many hours I DJ'd, it leaves them open to feedback threads about them, it makes almost the idea of managing the department the public's duty.

[Richie]

I think the information about how much each DJ DJs should be kept private. I'd be pretty pissed if people could see how many hours I DJ'd, it leaves them open to feedback threads about them, it makes almost the idea of managing the department the public's duty.

Fair enough, but in fairness its public already, if I wanted to I could calculate how many times a certain dj has dj'd, its just effort. If the script can't be viewed by the public don't let djs see it, only management. Of course djs will say 'Don't let the public see it' because they want that one extra feature that other people can't see.

[Angel-Light]

Very nicely done :P Well done David :)

[myke]

Only management should be able to see it. It's their job to keep on the tails of the DJs, not the listeners.

Listeners should only see like, the songs and stuff - not anything to do with the DJs.

[Hecktix]

Only management should be able to see it. It's their job to keep on the tails of the DJs, not the listeners.

Listeners should only see like, the songs and stuff - not anything to do with the DJs.

I completely agree with this, it could have bad consequences - people can already be rude enough about some staff as it, detailed DJ stats should be private.

[GoldenMerc]

It's all public information, someone else could make this script and add it to their sever so why not have it really.

[beth]

i really don't mind people seeing this script.
i think it is v.interesting.

much loves for david and his skillzzz.

[Robbie]

I agree. If someone wanted to count everything up manually they could, this just makes it easier

[Dinosaurawrr]

the script is amazing.
and i have no problem with people seeing it.
i have nothing to hide i work hard.

[sammy]

Only management should be able to see it. It's their job to keep on the tails of the DJs, not the listeners.

Listeners should only see like, the songs and stuff - not anything to do with the DJs.

This. The listeners don't need to see this, I see no point in them being able to do so? It just causes more problems. If this is being made public I don't see why we can't make a page for every department showing how much work everybody does.

[Robbie]

This. The listeners don't need to see this, I see no point in them being able to do so? It just causes more problems. If this is being made public I don't see why we can't make a page for every department showing how much work everybody does.

http://davzy.com/notes/#/profile

[Minstrels]

I don't see any point in it except for management use tbh, even the DJ's shouldn't see it (minus the song info, that's the only bit which the DJ's/listeners should be able to see so if a listener likes a song but doesn't know what it is can check that).

[sammy]

http://davzy.com/notes/#/profile

Yeah and I'm not being rude but HxHD is full of competitiveness because of this being brought in.

[Robbie]

Yeah and I'm not being rude but HxHD is full of competitiveness because of this being brought in.

Is that not a good thing?

[myke]

This. The listeners don't need to see this, I see no point in them being able to do so? It just causes more problems. If this is being made public I don't see why we can't make a page for every department showing how much work everybody does.

i'd be pretty pissed if someone tried to do that to my dept..:l

[sammy]

Is that not a good thing?

Not really, it turns into a contest to do the most hours when it's really not about that at all.


i'd be pretty pissed if someone tried to do that to my dept..:l

Exactly my point ;).

[Hecktix]

i'd be pretty pissed if someone tried to do that to my dept..:l

me too, afaik Jess has asked for this script to be made private so if it isn't it's pretty disrespectful, I know for certain that we wouldn't broadcast how many moderator logs a moderator has etc so it should be the same for DJs.

[Robbie]

me too, afaik Jess has asked for this script to be made private so if it isn't it's pretty disrespectful, I know for certain that we wouldn't broadcast how many moderator logs a moderator has etc so it should be the same for DJs.

Mod logs! :D Can I see how many I had before I was fired please

[scott]

me too, afaik Jess has asked for this script to be made private so if it isn't it's pretty disrespectful, I know for certain that we wouldn't broadcast how many moderator logs a moderator has etc so it should be the same for DJs.

that's exactly what I posted in the hxl section :P

[Minstrels]

me too, afaik Jess has asked for this script to be made private so if it isn't it's pretty disrespectful, I know for certain that we wouldn't broadcast how many moderator logs a moderator has etc so it should be the same for DJs.
tbf we can already guess who has the most mod logs..

[Robbie]

tbf we can already guess who has the most mod logs..

Off topic: Chiddy bang! Follow me follow me I'm the leader!

On topic: HxL and ting

[HotelUser]

Yeah and I'm not being rude but HxHD is full of competitiveness because of this being brought in.

To respond to this I shall be immensely straight forward. Your post holds no truth, relevance or importance towards why we should or should not disclose this PUBLIC information concerning the radio stream at Habbox. Habbox Help Desk is an entirely different situation and department from Habbox Live and for many significant reasons the two cannot be compared on the level at which you're trying to compare them.

To respond to what you said about competitiveness in HxHD, as you did infact compare? There is absolutely no more competitiveness because the public can see how active a staffmember is. If a HxHD staffmember is not active then they should not be staff. This one regard applies to all departments at Habbox. The leaderboard shows inactive staff. Inactive staff at HxL, HxHD, HxF, Events, Competitions, News and beyond should. Be. Dealt. With. If a staffmember is batting zeros every week then I don't see why it's a bad thing for people to know about it.


the script is amazing.
and i have no problem with people seeing it.
i have nothing to hide i work hard.

Bingo! I love your attitude Sacha! The gist from the DJs overall on this affair seems to insinuate that this is going to spark competition. In HxL you get reports anyway, and everyone knows how active eachother is anyway, right? The leaderboard is neat because yes you can compare and contrast between activity, but the most active DJs get rewarded for being active - where's the bad :)


http://davzy.com/notes/#/profile

This. The staff in my department work very hard and are very active in the room and therefore I have no quarrels with disclosing this information. Of course the public has a right to know (at-least in my opinion) how active staffmembers are.


Edits: the above are my opinions. I shall still do whatever Matt or HxL management asks me to do when it comes to privatizing. Certain references to HxHD and reasons why people wanted this to be private really made me want to post this :P

[Minstrels]

Off topic: Chiddy bang! Follow me follow me I'm the leader!

On topic: HxL and ting
You know Chiddy Bang is the ****.

Edited by Cosmic (Forum Super Moderator) Please do not post pointlessly, thanks.

[Shar]

Not really, it turns into a contest to do the most hours when it's really not about that at all.



Exactly my point ;).
This comment is completely biased as you were HxHD staff for only a small period of time, when this new script was just introduced. Although I can see your point of view, there will always be at least one member of staff that is always competitive, and this necessarily doesn't have to be a bad thing. Thus, I think your comment is completely false.

I agree that this new HxL script should be private, for only management and senior DJs to view as staff have the right to have some privacy.

[myke]

To respond to this I shall be immensely straight forward. Your post holds no truth, relevance or importance towards why we should or should not disclose this PUBLIC information concerning the radio stream at Habbox. Habbox Help Desk is an entirely different situation and department from Habbox Live and for many significant reasons the two cannot be compared on the level at which you're trying to compare them.

To respond to what you said about competitiveness in HxHD, as you did infact compare? There is absolutely no more competitiveness because the public can see how active a staffmember is. If a HxHD staffmember is not active then they should not be staff. This one regard applies to all departments at Habbox. The leaderboard shows inactive staff. Inactive staff at HxL, HxHD, HxF, Events, Competitions, News and beyond should. Be. Dealt. With. If a staffmember is batting zeros every week then I don't see why it's a bad thing for people to know about it.



Bingo! I love your attitude Sacha! The gist from the DJs overall on this affair seems to insinuate that this is going to spark competition. In HxL you get reports anyway, and everyone knows how active eachother is anyway, right? The leaderboard is neat because yes you can compare and contrast between activity, but the most active DJs get rewarded for being active - where's the bad :)



This. The staff in my department work very hard and are very active in the room and therefore I have no quarrels with disclosing this information. Of course the public has a right to know (at-least in my opinion) how active staffmembers are.

In reply to the point of you don't see why they shouldnt see it if it's bad.
The information should be kept private - the AGMs dont publish dismissal reasons, the forum won't let you put a red box at the bottom of the post to show that a post has been -rep'd, so the same attitude should be taken towards this.

Yes, the DJs know how active each other are, not 'normal users' (sorry for that term), and that's the way it should be.

The fact you said that it shows inactive staff, inactive staff should be shown to the manager, you know, the one that makes decisions and manages the staff, not for the public to post and grass someone up, come on, you know it will happen.

Someone will see someone online and post a feedback thread saying 'LOLZ THEY ARE ONLINE BUT ONLY DUN 2 HRS THIS WEEK, THEY ARE NT A GD DJ', and this has been proven with the abundance of silly complaints about HxL recently.

David, don't take it that people are insulting your coding, or your ideas, because I think the script is great, and so do other people, it's just not appropriate for the 'public' (as you said) to see it. There's some things they deserve to see, and some they don't. This is one of them.

[sammy]

To respond to this I shall be immensely straight forward. Your post holds no truth, relevance or importance towards why we should or should not disclose this PUBLIC information concerning the radio stream at Habbox. Habbox Help Desk is an entirely different situation and department from Habbox Live and for many significant reasons the two cannot be compared on the level at which you're trying to compare them.

To respond to what you said about competitiveness in HxHD, as you did infact compare? There is absolutely no more competitiveness because the public can see how active a staffmember is. If a HxHD staffmember is not active then they should not be staff. This one regard applies to all departments at Habbox. The leaderboard shows inactive staff. Inactive staff at HxL, HxHD, HxF, Events, Competitions, News and beyond should. Be. Dealt. With. If a staffmember is batting zeros every week then I don't see why it's a bad thing for people to know about it.

At the end of the day it is up to management to deal with whoever is inactive, not you or anyone else. It is none of the public's business how active people are, and that's the way it should remain.

Oh and I agree with Myke completely. It only has negative effects so it should be private and that is what will be happening anyway.

It is a very useful tool for management though, I just completely disagree with it being made public.

[HotelUser]

At the end of the day it is up to management to deal with whoever is inactive, not you or anyone else. It is none of the public's business how active people are, and that's the way it should remain.

Oh and I agree with Myke completely. It only has negative effects so it should be private and that is what will be happening anyway.

It is a very useful tool for management though, I just completely disagree with it being made public.

See my last post please!


In reply to the point of you don't see why they shouldnt see it if it's bad.
The information should be kept private - the AGMs dont publish dismissal reasons, the forum won't let you put a red box at the bottom of the post to show that a post has been -rep'd, so the same attitude should be taken towards this.

Yes, the DJs know how active each other are, not 'normal users' (sorry for that term), and that's the way it should be.

The fact you said that it shows inactive staff, inactive staff should be shown to the manager, you know, the one that makes decisions and manages the staff, not for the public to post and grass someone up, come on, you know it will happen.

Someone will see someone online and post a feedback thread saying 'LOLZ THEY ARE ONLINE BUT ONLY DUN 2 HRS THIS WEEK, THEY ARE NT A GD DJ', and this has been proven with the abundance of silly complaints about HxL recently.

David, don't take it that people are insulting your coding, or your ideas, because I think the script is great, and so do other people, it's just not appropriate for the 'public' (as you said) to see it. There's some things they deserve to see, and some they don't. This is one of them.

By no means am I saying there are not legitimate reasons for this to be privatized, Myke. We have been scheming almost since the start to determine what has to be confidential and what doesn't have to be--although this will really be upto what Jess and Gemma want and we've already been speaking about what needs to be hidden :P

[sammy]

This comment is completely biased as you were HxHD staff for only a small period of time, when this new script was just introduced. Although I can see your point of view, there will always be at least one member of staff that is always competitive, and this necessarily doesn't have to be a bad thing. Thus, I think your comment is completely false.

I agree that this new HxL script should be private, for only management and senior DJs to view as staff have the right to have some privacy.

I am still aware that a lot of competition happens in HxHD, people try to get the most hours and they seem to think it's a contest, when it isn't. Competition is a good thing when there's the right amount of it, but a lot already happens at HabboxLive and we don't need any more.

[xxMATTGxx]

It's going to be made private anyway. So yeah!

[Dinosaurawrr]

I still don't see how this is a big problem.
if we get made more competative maybe certain djs wont be forced to dj so bliming often"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! */rant over*

its being made private anyway so whats the big deal anyway.

[/sulk] i wanted to see that info! :(

[Richie]

me too, afaik Jess has asked for this script to be made private so if it isn't it's pretty disrespectful, I know for certain that we wouldn't broadcast how many moderator logs a moderator has etc so it should be the same for DJs.

Thats different though I could easily ask someone to do a script like that and host it on my server :P I can't get the mod logs simples.

[Mathew]

Yeah and I'm not being rude but HxHD is full of competitiveness because of this being brought in.
So true and that's why I resigned (twice). Everyone is constantly bickering that you're not active enough, you're afk in the room, not watching the screen, being rude, etc. Majority of staff in general are just waiting for you to slip up so you can report someone - what happened to working as a team? What happened when the sole reason of HxHD was to CHILL OUT and HELP? That's the reason I joined when Dinasaw was the manager and sadly, in my opinion, it's gone downhill.


This comment is completely biased as you were HxHD staff for only a small period of time, when this new script was just introduced. Although I can see your point of view, there will always be at least one member of staff that is always competitive, and this necessarily doesn't have to be a bad thing. Thus, I think your comment is completely false.
Your opinion is bias because you're HxHD Manangement, simple as.


It's going to be made private anyway. So yeah!
I'm glad to be honest. I do think the scripts Dave has coded are brilliant. I'd actually love to criticise them but I can't find anything wrong with them!
Managers are there for a reason and it's their job to track staff. Listeners are there to enjoy the music and leave people to do their own jobs.

[HotelUser]

So true and that's why I resigned (twice). Everyone is constantly bickering that you're not active enough, you're afk in the room, not watching the screen, being rude, etc. Majority of staff in general are just waiting for you to slip up so you can report someone - what happened to working as a team? What happened when the sole reason of HxHD was to CHILL OUT and HELP? That's the reason I joined when Dinasaw was the manager and sadly, in my opinion, it's gone downhill.


Your opinion is bias because you're HxHD Manangement, simple as.


I'm glad to be honest. I do think the scripts Dave has coded are brilliant. I'd actually love to criticise them but I can't find anything wrong with them!
Managers are there for a reason and it's their job to track staff. Listeners are there to enjoy the music and leave people to do their own jobs.

I don't know if I should be screaming at you about your comments towards HxHD and my better half, thanking you for what you said about my coding, or agreeing with you about the latter points. It's for this reason that I agree with passwording the statistics tool (although I would have done whatever HxL wanted anyway). Not because DJs are moaning about looking bad when they, quite seriously, do absolutely heck all :P


I am still aware that a lot of competition happens in HxHD, people try to get the most hours and they seem to think it's a contest, when it isn't. Competition is a good thing when there's the right amount of it, but a lot already happens at HabboxLive and we don't need any more.

I can't speak for Habbox Live but I can say that speculation about competition at HxHD is just that - speculation. I cannot personally see it; or if it exists it doesn't seem to be hurting anybody!


It's going to be made private anyway. So yeah!

Done! Whether or not they allow DJs to view anything now is upto HxL management.

[beth]

i think it's a bit of a wounder actually as i found the song/listener stats really very useful.
but i guess thats life. eh.

[Calvin]

Moan at me all you like saying "Oh you only said that because you work for HxHD" but the notes system, is not competitive at all anymore, I admit at first everyone was like "I have more hours than you!" but now I don't think anyone cares if anyone has more minutes than them, normally it's just friendly banter now but if you introduce it to HxL it'll just die down and no one will care and no one will end up being competitive.

And i've noticed a few people 'slating' David for creating the script, he didn't have to if he didn't.. you should be thanking him because he didn't get asked, he just saw a few people wanting it and created it. It's helping HabboxLive really and helping the managers with reports.

If i'm honest, this thread should now be closed to prevent further arguments. The HabboxLive management have chose to keep it private so that's the end I guess.

[Florx]

I completely disagree with the opinion of making it private.

It's already completely public information that you can gather yourselves (requires quite a bit of skill though) but still!

If you are a DJ and embarrassed about how little / how inactive you are then DJ more or quit, I think it's as simple as that. Of course you are supposed to be a department, and supposed to work as a team so it'd be good to highlight who isn't pulling their weight - why shouldn't everybody have access to that info?

[Nixt]

The decision to make the information private was the decision of HxL Management and one they are perfectly entitled to make. Of course this information is publicly available but the resource David has created (and kudos to him for that) was designed for the use of Management so they could easily keep track of DJs. In the coming weeks or months, it is likely it will be incorporated into the development of V6 and further information that we might consider confidential could be added to it. This alone is one reason to take the information out of the public eye.

Right now though, the reasoning is that if such a resource was given to people so publicly it, in my opinion, undermines the management team at HabboxLive. The information you can get using the script come in the form of cold hard fact - it does not take into account personal and subjective information that management have access to, and given the nature of a lot of people at Habbox (and I don't think anyone can deny this!) it is likely to lead to people make observations that are later used to ridicule the department or a DJ without fully taking into account private information surrounding the department itself.

I guess part of this is our fault, we should never have publicly released the script and we should have discussed it with HxL Management before doing so.

Sorry if this doesn't make perfect sense, I'm extremely ill.

[nvrspk4]

1) Very nice tool

2) Don't see why listeners need to be shown the leaderboard, graphs, or duplicate songs, as these (especially the last) will simply serve to make criticism all too easy. It'll make for the public trying to manage the staff through threads and undermining managers. Many people are saying that this COULD be gathered theoretically by users. Certainly, but have you seen anyone do it? Ever? It is a fantastic tool for management, I agree, but it will also make it simple for some people who complain overmuch or to hear themselves heard to whine. I'll concede that there are people who post legitimately trying to improve HxL, and maybe these will be some which use public avenues to log DJ time as it has been suggested can be done. If they do that, more power to them.

3) Can I make the suggestion that for "All songs" instead of just being a list since the beginning of time (which will eventually get enormously long, and does anyone really need to see what was played a week ago? :P) that duplicate entries are not reentered, just a list of every song that has ever been played on HabboxLive? There will still be some variation because of what different DJs name the songs but it'll cut down some.

4) Why on EARTH is the HxHD script public?? I understand its a decision made by HxHD management, and I can see its value to the managers, but why on earth public??

PS: David, while I very much respect your right to express your opinion, I find it pretty difficult to believe that while you accuse staff of being biased because they were staff for a short time or because they were staff members etc, you hold no bias as the creator and manager who implemented it. You are entirely entitled to defend your opinions but declaring other opinions invalid due to perceived bias is a bit of a pot-kettle type situation.

[xxMATTGxx]

1) Very nice tool

2) Don't see why listeners need to be shown the leaderboard, graphs, or duplicate songs, as these (especially the last) will simply serve to make criticism all too easy. It'll make for the public trying to manage the staff through threads and undermining managers. Many people are saying that this COULD be gathered theoretically by users. Certainly, but have you seen anyone do it? Ever? It is a fantastic tool for management, I agree, but it will also make it simple for some people who complain overmuch or to hear themselves heard to whine. I'll concede that there are people who post legitimately trying to improve HxL, and maybe these will be some which use public avenues to log DJ time as it has been suggested can be done. If they do that, more power to them.

3) Can I make the suggestion that for "All songs" instead of just being a list since the beginning of time (which will eventually get enormously long, and does anyone really need to see what was played a week ago? :P) that duplicate entries are not reentered, just a list of every song that has ever been played on HabboxLive? There will still be some variation because of what different DJs name the songs but it'll cut down some.

4) Why on EARTH is the HxHD script public?? I understand its a decision made by HxHD management, and I can see its value to the managers, but why on earth public??

PS: David, while I very much respect your right to express your opinion, I find it pretty difficult to believe that while you accuse staff of being biased because they were staff for a short time or because they were staff members etc, you hold no bias as the creator and manager who implemented it. You are entirely entitled to defend your opinions but declaring other opinions invalid due to perceived bias is a bit of a pot-kettle type situation.

Regarding number 4. I don't believe it is fully public, the only thing that is public is the staff profiles.

Example: http://davzy.com/notes/#/profile/,Lexiilu

Unless that is what you mean? :P

[nvrspk4]

Regarding number 4. I don't believe it is fully public, the only thing that is public is the staff profiles.

Example: http://davzy.com/notes/#/profile/,Lexiilu

Unless that is what you mean? :P

I can see daily average, time since born, and weekly total with rankings...unless I'm just special?

[saddamhussein]

I can see daily average, time since born, and weekly total with rankings...unless I'm just special?

and you can also see the weekly leaderboard of staff time - http://davzy.com/notes/#/profile

Seeing as some people like seeing who was the most active dj of the week and stuff, would it be possible to have a section on habbox.com main page saying. DJ Of the week = *Insert name* and a picture of there habbo as a reward for being the most active dj and getting a bit of recognition. Might also make the djs want to dj more to try and be that person in the spotlight?

[Txyla]

I carn't view it :(

[HotelUser]

The decision to make the information private was the decision of HxL Management and one they are perfectly entitled to make. Of course this information is publicly available but the resource David has created (and kudos to him for that) was designed for the use of Management so they could easily keep track of DJs. In the coming weeks or months, it is likely it will be incorporated into the development of V6 and further information that we might consider confidential could be added to it. This alone is one reason to take the information out of the public eye.

Right now though, the reasoning is that if such a resource was given to people so publicly it, in my opinion, undermines the management team at HabboxLive. The information you can get using the script come in the form of cold hard fact - it does not take into account personal and subjective information that management have access to, and given the nature of a lot of people at Habbox (and I don't think anyone can deny this!) it is likely to lead to people make observations that are later used to ridicule the department or a DJ without fully taking into account private information surrounding the department itself.

I guess part of this is our fault, we should never have publicly released the script and we should have discussed it with HxL Management before doing so.

Sorry if this doesn't make perfect sense, I'm extremely ill.

I wouldn't say it's your fault at all. I believe the controversiality here could have been avoided if I had considered that some of these statistics may have been better kept private in the first place!


1) Very nice tool

2) Don't see why listeners need to be shown the leaderboard, graphs, or duplicate songs, as these (especially the last) will simply serve to make criticism all too easy. It'll make for the public trying to manage the staff through threads and undermining managers. Many people are saying that this COULD be gathered theoretically by users. Certainly, but have you seen anyone do it? Ever? It is a fantastic tool for management, I agree, but it will also make it simple for some people who complain overmuch or to hear themselves heard to whine. I'll concede that there are people who post legitimately trying to improve HxL, and maybe these will be some which use public avenues to log DJ time as it has been suggested can be done. If they do that, more power to them.
I'll admit that I was abit disheartened that it was passworded because I had spent time coding it so in that sense I do suppose I have a bias. Bah-- I've passworded it now anyway :P



3) Can I make the suggestion that for "All songs" instead of just being a list since the beginning of time (which will eventually get enormously long, and does anyone really need to see what was played a week ago? :P) that duplicate entries are not reentered, just a list of every song that has ever been played on HabboxLive? There will still be some variation because of what different DJs name the songs but it'll cut down some.

Hmm, right now it's showing the last 300 songs played on HxL.


4) Why on EARTH is the HxHD script public?? I understand its a decision made by HxHD management, and I can see its value to the managers, but why on earth public??

The weekly numbers show because I'm running the same staff leaderboard function to list off staff so you can get to their profile - although if need be I suppose I could add an extra parameter to hide those details. As for showing the total time in HxHD and whatnot I'm sort of on the fence about this. On one hand it's rather neat because it give staffmembers something to work toward and to track their overall, although on the other hand I suppose I didn't really consider that the public could see all this when I developed it! I'll speak to Shar, Garion and Matt about a gameplan here.



PS: David, while I very much respect your right to express your opinion, I find it pretty difficult to believe that while you accuse staff of being biased because they were staff for a short time or because they were staff members etc, you hold no bias as the creator and manager who implemented it. You are entirely entitled to defend your opinions but declaring other opinions invalid due to perceived bias is a bit of a pot-kettle type situation.

I imagine I do have a bias being the creator of these stats tools, although I wouldn't necessarily say that bias extends towards affecting my opinion on internal issues within HxHD (atleast I hope it doesn't. If it does I trust that our Assistant Manager or General Management will point me in the right direction :P).

Apologies if my preceding posts seemed hostile in an accusing sense towards other staffmembers, I suppose I am just quite firm about what I think here!

[Florx]

I wouldn't say it's your fault at all. I believe the controversiality here could have been avoided if I had considered that some of these statistics may have been better kept private in the first place!


No, I completely disagree with you here.

It's not like you wrote a script that accessed the backdoor for the RBS banking site and allowed users to syphon off money.

I will liken the script to an example of one that BBC uses. When it's poll time to vote for our MPs, we get very specific numbers given to us on how well they have done, it's collected and presented by the BBC and nobody complains because it is useful. It's hardly different to this.

Plus, it's not your responsibility to start censoring your own work just be cause somebody may be offended by it.

[Nixt]

No, I completely disagree with you here.

It's not like you wrote a script that accessed the backdoor for the RBS banking site and allowed users to syphon off money.

I will liken the script to an example of one that BBC uses. When it's poll time to vote for our MPs, we get very specific numbers given to us on how well they have done, it's collected and presented by the BBC and nobody complains because it is useful. It's hardly different to this.

Plus, it's not your responsibility to start censoring your own work just be cause somebody may be offended by it.

He censored his work because it was requested as such by HabboxLive Management. It will remain so, because allowing just anyone to see the stats leaves the department open to ridicule and criticism without taking into account the intricacies of the department itself. See both my own and nvrspk4's posts for information relating to that.

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