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-:Undertaker:-
21-08-2010, 04:31 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1304803/Police-halt-English-Defence-League-march-riot-fears.html#

EDL march cancelled by Police and Theresa May


Home Secretary Theresa May has issued a blanket ban on marches by the far-right English Defence League in Bradford, following a request from the local council and police chiefs. Up to 10,000 EDL supporters had intended to descend on Bradford over the bank holiday weekend in what was claimed would be a rally against Islamic extremism. A Home Office spokesman said: 'Having carefully balanced rights to protest against the need to ensure local communities and property are protected, the Home Secretary today gave her consent to a Bradford Council order banning any marches in the city over the bank holiday weekend.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/24/article-1245642-07FB00F3000005DC-294_468x447.jpg




'West Yorkshire Police are committed to using their powers to ensure communities and property are protected and we encourage all local people to work with the police to ensure community cohesion is not undermined by public disorder.' The decision by Bradford Council to seek a marching ban followed a formal request by West Yorkshire chief constable Sir Norman Bettison. Sir Norman said he was taking the action after considering the 'understandable concerns of the community'. The move follows a high-profile campaign in the city to stop the EDL march, with some commentators saying they feared it could provoke a violent reaction to rival the riots which shook the city nine years ago. Despite the ban, groups could still hold static demonstrations in the city.

A 10,000-signature petition opposing the EDL march was handed in to the Home Office earlier this month. In a letter to the council, crime prevention minister James Brokenshire said the Government 'fully understands local concerns that such a demonstration has the potential to spark public disorder and to impact on community cohesion, particularly given the disturbances in Bradford in 2001.'Does anyone remember the planned marches by an islamic group through Wootton Bassett which the government showed no signs of preventing and it eventally was cancelled due to the group itself aborting the march? yes, didn't seem to apply to them but only to groups such as the EDL. The same goes for the UAF (United Against Facism, ironic really because they were the ones saying Nick Griffin should not be allowed on Question Time - so much for being against facism and for democracy). Anywho, then we had the previous Labour government banning Geert Wilders from entering the country to show his film Fitna, at the invitation of UKIP leader Lord Pearson - he was eventually allowed in second time around which was followed by islamic protesters outside parliament which i'll put in a video down below.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlv3KNJ446g&feature=search
(The Geert Wilders incident and what occured only a few years back)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pbwrjt63V4
(Geert Wilders giving his views and the 'Islam will dominate the world' protesters)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N7bwEqFPGI&feature=related
(Islamic protesters threatening Islamic domination)



Our country has been for many years a country which allowed protests of many kinds because we believed in freedom and because our ancient laws guranteed that freedom. How can we allow politicians to treat one group in a certain way yet not treat other groups in that very way. I don't care whether your a communist, a socialist, a facist, a nazi, a islamic marcher, a left-wing group, a right-wing group - you should be guranteed the freedom to protest and march. At a time when this country has more CCTV than Communist China among other issues concerning accountability and democracy, how can we even call ourselves a free and democratic nation?

In my view if something isn't done to correct the balance and install fairness back, this will end in violence.

Thoughts?
What extent does freedom and democracy matter to you and what extent should it matter to us all?

Minstrels
21-08-2010, 07:30 AM
It may be 'cancelled' but you can bet most will still turn up whether the police or whoever tell them not to. The only bloke they'll listen to is that one which got arrested the other month and stopped one I think in Leeds.

Apolva
21-08-2010, 09:13 AM
Good.

Racist idiots.

Robbie
21-08-2010, 10:43 AM
OLDHAM DIVISION! Ah, Oldham represent.

Minstrels
21-08-2010, 11:35 AM
OLDHAM DIVISION! Ah, Oldham represent.
Which ones you? I'm going for the chubbster with the Gary Neville tash covered by the ginger bonnet.

Rapidshare
21-08-2010, 11:58 AM
Shouldnt have been banned, but oh well

Apple
21-08-2010, 01:42 PM
Good.

Racist idiots.

Racism is discrimination of someones race, the EDL are protesting against Islamic Extremists, 2 completely different things. :rolleyes:

I agree that they were wrong to stop it as we all have (are supposed to have anyway) freedom of speech.

Catzsy
21-08-2010, 01:46 PM
Inciting racial hatred is a crime so the ban is legal as that is what their aim is. Simple as that. Your picture shows that perfectly. They masquerade as a non-violent, non-racist organisation and are just as bad as the islamic extremists Islam4UK who are also banned.

Nemo
21-08-2010, 01:47 PM
I think its right that they stopped it, doesnt matter what they were protesting about, but if there was gonna be a lot of possible violence from both sides and unneeded trouble, then its right to stop it. Freedom of speech can be expressed in other ways that do not cause danger to everyone nearby and each other.

Jordy
21-08-2010, 02:30 PM
In reference to Wootton Basset, the home secretary and PM said they would of backed any bans on the Islamic March through Wootton Basset, hence the reason it was abandoned. Haven't really got much else to say on the topic but I thought I'd clarify that.

MrPinkPanther
21-08-2010, 03:01 PM
Dan please get your facts correct. Islam4UK are banned who were planning to conduct this Wotton Basset march just like the EDL are now. The same rules apply to everyone, British or not.

Tash.
21-08-2010, 04:12 PM
This was the only way to deal with this situation. Yes they have a right to protest as does everyone in the UK, but they do not have the right to incite racial hatred. Yes they claim to be protesting against 'Islamic Extremism' but its clear that they are not, its just a pathetic attempt to make their racial hatred seem acceptable. I'm all for the right to protest but come on, protesting against 'islamic extremism' in Bradford? Yes thats very intelligent, some people scare me with their idiocy.

Apolva
21-08-2010, 05:39 PM
I agree that they were wrong to stop it as we all have (are supposed to have anyway) freedom of speech.

But then in turn, the protest is ruining the freedom of Muslims...

Jam
21-08-2010, 07:48 PM
They are same people who live off benefits with their 12 children to 12 different mothers and have 'back pain' from sitting on their arse too much. Scum.

GommeInc
23-08-2010, 12:07 AM
Damn them taking away the Freedom of Speech rights :( They could still do it, just "unofficially". It is a bit irritating how these protests seem to be divided, with one rule for one group and a different rule for others :/

Either way, protesting does sweet naff all. Marches against Islamic extremism are oaky, because Islamic extremism is just a false ideology by a bunch of bored, ignorant people, but the opposite scale are listed above in Jameseh's post ^ One group against one thing probably has something wrong with itself anyway.

Catzsy
23-08-2010, 09:49 AM
Damn them taking away the Freedom of Speech rights :( They could still do it, just "unofficially". It is a bit irritating how these protests seem to be divided, with one rule for one group and a different rule for others :/

Either way, protesting does sweet naff all. Marches against Islamic extremism are oaky, because Islamic extremism is just a false ideology by a bunch of bored, ignorant people, but the opposite scale are listed above in Jameseh's post ^ One group against one thing probably has something wrong with itself anyway.

They are not banned from a static demonstration just marching into areas well they could cause civil unrest. That's the way I read it.

Minstrels
23-08-2010, 09:58 AM
I have to admit I sadly know someone who gets involved with all this 'E E E D L' rubbish and so like always, a couple others get involved because 'it looks like a laugh and they're dirty... (you get the point)'. Although I've told him what he does make him looks like a first class clown (those jackets with the goggles... dear God), from what I've seen from his videos and photos on Facebook the other groups are no better. The media lash into the EDL and the other groups get away with murder compared to the EDL. When it comes to violence they're both as bad as each other. Stick them all in a field and let them at it, last group standing gets there say, no interruptions. Either that or they'll all knock sense into each other.

Catzsy
23-08-2010, 10:21 AM
I have to admit I sadly know someone who gets involved with all this 'E E E D L' rubbish and so like always, a couple others get involved because 'it looks like a laugh and they're dirty... (you get the point)'. Although I've told him what he does make him looks like a first class clown (those jackets with the goggles... dear God), from what I've seen from his videos and photos on Facebook the other groups are no better. The media lash into the EDL and the other groups get away with murder compared to the EDL. When it comes to violence they're both as bad as each other. Stick them all in a field and let them at it, last group standing gets there say, no interruptions. Either that or they'll all knock sense into each other.

Sounds like a plan although I cannot see any sense being knocked into any of them.

scottish
25-08-2010, 12:36 AM
i doubt the police can do nethin if 10k ppl turn up lol

Minstrels
28-08-2010, 02:10 PM
It may be 'cancelled' but you can bet most will still turn up whether the police or whoever tell them not to. The only bloke they'll listen to is that one which got arrested the other month and stopped one I think in Leeds.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/7969467/Riot-police-tackle-missiles-at-English-Defence-League-protest-in-Bradford.html

Tash.
28-08-2010, 02:55 PM
As EDL supporters stepped off coaches they began hurling abuse at the locals who had gathered to protest against them, chanting "Allah - paedophile", "We want our country back" and "We love the floods", in a reference to the destruction in Pakistan, from where many of Bradford's Muslim community originates.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/7969467/Riot-police-tackle-missiles-at-English-Defence-League-protest-in-Bradford.html

I think it's clear to all that they were not protesting against islamic extremism.

Apple
28-08-2010, 06:05 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/7969467/Riot-police-tackle-missiles-at-English-Defence-League-protest-in-Bradford.html

I think it's clear to all that they were not protesting against islamic extremism.

They have many different things they do not like, islamic extremists being amongst them. This protest wasn't really strictly against islamic extremism, against all kinds of things really as you have discovered.

Well what a fail of a protest, spoiled by the few as per usual. There were only 5 arrests and one police officer injured in a "scuffle" so he probably got pushed to the ground or something but if they want to get rid of their hooligan like reputation then they should of stopped the violence, when are people going to start realising that violence isn't going to help in protests... Laughing at all the floods in pakistan is a bit out of order to, as well as being uncalled for it is also a bit pointless because I thought they were against the pakistanis who come to live in england, why should the pakistanis in pakistan be brought into it? Already enough jokes about the flooding around on facebook, especially "There is already an aid song out for the flooding in pakistan to raise money, it's called Raindrops keep falling on Ahmed". Suppose it did make me smile with it being a clever use of pun but it's a bit uncalled for really...

Tash.
29-08-2010, 01:40 PM
They have many different things they do not like, islamic extremists being amongst them. This protest wasn't really strictly against islamic extremism, against all kinds of things really as you have discovered.

Well what a fail of a protest, spoiled by the few as per usual. There were only 5 arrests and one police officer injured in a "scuffle" so he probably got pushed to the ground or something but if they want to get rid of their hooligan like reputation then they should of stopped the violence, when are people going to start realising that violence isn't going to help in protests... Laughing at all the floods in pakistan is a bit out of order to, as well as being uncalled for it is also a bit pointless because I thought they were against the pakistanis who come to live in england, why should the pakistanis in pakistan be brought into it? Already enough jokes about the flooding around on facebook, especially "There is already an aid song out for the flooding in pakistan to raise money, it's called Raindrops keep falling on Ahmed". Suppose it did make me smile with it being a clever use of pun but it's a bit uncalled for really...

Well apparently this particular protest was supposed to be against islamic extremism specifically, and from what they were shouting its obvious it was not. They showed their true colours, as most racists eventually do, you can't hide behind polital correctness forever. People such as those disgust me.

Melvin
29-08-2010, 04:55 PM
OMFG Look at the Islamic Sign "Islam Will Dominate the World" >:( no Fair EDL Are Protesting bout Terroism not Islam its Self! So Why Does Islam take It The Wrong Way n Do that Donkey Pong! Stupidn Terrorist Lovers!

JackBuddy
30-08-2010, 10:38 AM
Racism is discrimination of someones race, the EDL are protesting against Islamic Extremists, 2 completely different things. :rolleyes:

I agree that they were wrong to stop it as we all have (are supposed to have anyway) freedom of speech.
Have you seen the documentary on them? They're just a bunch of scumbags who sing football songs and go out looking for trouble. They are racist.

Nemo
30-08-2010, 10:40 AM
The ignorance in this thread makes me cry :'(

Apple
30-08-2010, 11:50 AM
The ignorance in this thread makes me cry :'(

Not actually that much ignorance in this thread which is surprising because anything to do with the EDL usually attracts that sort.

Sly
31-08-2010, 09:58 AM
The bradford march was more like a gig than anything my mate was anti protesting against the edl and he said they were kept so far away from each other nothing could kick off so it was just low-ki and some other rappers merkin each other

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