Apple Event 1st Of September

[iBlueBox]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/25/apple-to-hold-special-event-september-1st-well-be-there-li/

Engadget reports of a Apple event for 1st of september,

rumours are it will be a updated iPod Touch and a Updated Apple TV being rumoured to be re-brandded as iTV

would be nice if they gave some news when iOS 4 is coming to the iPad though!

Threads merged by Cosmic (Forum Super Moderator) as there are two equally good threads on this.
Threads merged by Recursion (Forum Moderator): The Windows stream thread is better off here now the discussion is mostly over and may cause confusion.

[HotelUser]

I think they should update the iMac so I have something to save up for come this December :(

[Firehorse]

Hmm, I bet there will be mix ups with the channel itv and the new name if that rumour is true. If it isn't a legal mix up, it sure will be amoungst everyday conversation.

[iBlueBox]

I think they should update the iMac so I have something to save up for come this December :(

They normally get refreshed around October. BUT they did change it around a month ago with a new processor http://www.apple.com/uk/imac/ I don't think the design will change from the current one till next year But I hope it does.



Hmm, I bet there will be mix ups with the channel itv and the new name if that rumour is true. If it isn't a legal mix up, it sure will be amoungst everyday conversation.

Yeah ITV have already said they'll get lawyers. But i'm sure Apple will get around it. If they cant they can always rename it in the UK

[HotelUser]

They normally get refreshed around October. BUT they did change it around a month ago with a new processor http://www.apple.com/uk/imac/ I don't think the design will change from the current one till next year But I hope it does.




Yeah ITV have already said they'll get lawyers. But i'm sure Apple will get around it. If they cant they can always rename it in the UK

I hope the iMac design doesn't get change. I love how they look right now :P

[Jam]

Wonder how long the old Apple TV will stay (if it does) in the store? Trying to get one on the cheap plus its better than the screenless iPod.

[Firehorse]

Wonder how long the old Apple TV will stay (if it does) in the store? Trying to get one on the cheap plus its better than the screenless iPod.

Well judging by apple, apart from the iphone, as soon as they release a new product they replace it in their store the same day. You might be able to get it cheaper from other retailers though such as amazon sometime after the new release.

[Johno]

Well judging by apple, apart from the iphone, as soon as they release a new product they replace it in their store the same day. You might be able to get it cheaper from other retailers though such as amazon sometime after the new release.

True but you can sometimes buy it from the online store in the clearance section :)

[LMS16]

Hmm, I bet there will be mix ups with the channel itv and the new name if that rumour is true. If it isn't a legal mix up, it sure will be amoungst everyday conversation.

All apple do, is think of something, see what it looks like (a TV in this case) and a bloody 'i' infront of it... I think it sounds poo.

i-this, i-that! SHUUUUTT UP lol (thats towards apple btw :P)

Lew.

[triston220]

Apple have filed a patent for a touch screen iMac and macbook pro.

[Firehorse]

Apple have filed a patent for a touch screen iMac and macbook pro.

If that was recent then i'd guess that will be next years release

[GommeInc]

Meh, I'd just do the usual and wait and see how long before they start indirectly insulting their customers' intelligence :P Not sure what they'll be releasing or talking about. Perhaps they may talk about the iPhone 4 errors and enlighten everyone on the current situation after their last conference?

[Nemo]

An updated ipod touch would be nice, might be that bit extra to make me wanna buy one

[GommeInc]

An updated ipod touch would be nice, might be that bit extra to make me wanna buy one
What would you like to see in a new iPod Touch? Just wondering :)

Also, isn't iOS 4 meant to be coming out on the iPad and Touch soon?

[Rapidshare]

I thought it was alreaddy out on touch..

[GommeInc]

I thought it was alreaddy out on touch..
Hmmm, you might be right :P It looks like the iPad is the only device waiting for it :)

[Nemo]

What would you like to see in a new iPod Touch? Just wondering :)

Also, isn't iOS 4 meant to be coming out on the iPad and Touch soon?
Im not really sure ;P i love ipod touches how they are now, but i just dont love em enough to buy one considerin the price + how much money i have. Although, by the time the price has gone down a lil bit i'll probably have money from EMA (woop).

[Recursion]

What would you like to see in a new iPod Touch? Just wondering :)

Also, isn't iOS 4 meant to be coming out on the iPad and Touch soon?

I'm running iOS 4 on my iPod Touch, so it's either ub3r 1337 haxx (most likely? I think so ;)), or it is officially released (how boring is that?! :()

[Jam]

It will be an iPhone 4 based iPod Touch, a screen-less iPod Touch with video out cables passed off as a iTV, Game Boy Micro sized touchscreen iPod Shuffle, iPod Classic death/no new model and Steve talking about how many apps he has on his store while forgetting that half of them are duplicates and free versions while the audience blindly claps his every word and breath.

[flatface]

Wonder if the new iPod Touch will have cameras and Facetime, will be intresting to see :P

[GommeInc]

I really hope they do not call it iTV, it's a crap name for a crap product. At least the television channel and company make good use of the name, mainly by not having a stupid little 'i' in the front :P


I'm running iOS 4 on my iPod Touch, so it's either ub3r 1337 haxx (most likely? I think so ;)), or it is officially released (how boring is that?! :()
"Official release"? What on earth is that? :P

[Agnostic Bear]

It is my opinion that the products released will be both magical and revolutionary.

[Firehorse]

What would you like to see in a new iPod Touch? Just wondering :)

Also, isn't iOS 4 meant to be coming out on the iPad and Touch soon?

iOS4 was out on the touch ages ago.


It is my opinion that the products released will be both magical and revolutionary.

Oh dear, you've bought into Apple's crap talk.

[Recursion]

Oh dear, you've bought into Apple's crap talk.

He was taking the piss out of Steve Jobs. hur durr

You should know what Jew Bear is like now!

[Firehorse]

He was taking the piss out of Steve Jobs. hur durr

You should know what Jew Bear is like now!

Agnostic Bear. Not Jew Bear.

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[Recursion]

Agnostic Bear. Not Jew Bear.

Jew Bear will always stick, it rolls off the tongue. Ag Bear doesn't sound right.

[Firehorse]

Jew Bear will always stick, it rolls off the tongue. Ag Bear doesn't sound right.

Jew Bear is from the Inglorious *******s movie :P

edit: lol I forgot this forum was for 12 yr olds and filtered everthing even slightly offensive.

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[iBlueBox]

I'ld like to see a updated Apple TV.

[dbgtz]

i just want a new ipod tbh, mines 1st gen and ipods are kewl :P

[The Professor]

Apple is having an event tomorrow that will probably result in some new iPod touches, but everything else is kinda up in the air. What do you think they'll put out?

Tbh it wouldn't surprise me if they killed off the iPod classic.

Engadget Story (http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/31/apples-fall-event-is-tomorrow-and-well-be-there-live/)
CNet Video (http://cnettv.cnet.com/cnet-apple-event-predictions/9742-1_53-50092354.html?tag=api)

And hai to everyone, haven't been here for aaages

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[Chippiewill]

I reckon there'll be something to do with iPods... just an inkling.
I'll now look like a fool when it turns out to be some magical, amazing, incredible, wonderful, remarkable, great, really nice, really easy, better, smarter and outstanding new product.

[Apple]

The ad fly thing "shrink your URL's and get paid" hasn't really worked right for any of them so it doesn't take me to the actual page. :(

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they got rid of the older ipods, most likely the classic like you have already mentioned.

[AgnesIO]

Looking forward to the event.

Can you watch it online or?

I assume engadget will have a feed??

[xxMATTGxx]

Looking forward to the event.

Can you watch it online or?

I assume engadget will have a feed??

They normally don't allow any live streaming from Apple events, although a number of various websites who will be at the event will have "Live Updates" with any information/photos and so on.

[The Professor]

The ad fly thing "shrink your URL's and get paid" hasn't really worked right for any of them so it doesn't take me to the actual page. :(

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they got rid of the older ipods, most likely the classic like you have already mentioned.

Yeah, a "skip this ad" button comes up in the corner after 5 seconds. Sorry I just found the thing and had to test it out, aparently I've earned half a cent! :P

I wouldn't be surprised to see the shuffle go either tbh

[Apple]

Yeah, a "skip this ad" button comes up in the corner after 5 seconds. Sorry I just found the thing and had to test it out, aparently I've earned half a cent! :P

I wouldn't be surprised to see the shuffle go either tbh

Yes I can imagine getting rid of the shuffle and either reducing the price of the next cheapest ipod (which I am guessing is a 2GB nano?) to sort of replace it and still attract to the lower end of the market. Or maybe they will introduce something new altogether?

[The Professor]

Yes I can imagine getting rid of the shuffle and either reducing the price of the next cheapest ipod (which I am guessing is a 2GB nano?) to sort of replace it and still attract to the lower end of the market. Or maybe they will introduce something new altogether?

What new thing can they introduce? I can't think of any logical "next step" in mp3 players tbh unless there will be one with a physical keyboard so you can use facebook or something? But if that were the case we'd have heard something surely.

[kk.]

A new tv thing, new iPod touch range - gyroscope added, new design, possibility of 3G bundles, and upgrade camera. Maybe something about the iPhone which would start October 1st.

[Apple]

What new thing can they introduce? I can't think of any logical "next step" in mp3 players tbh unless there will be one with a physical keyboard so you can use facebook or something? But if that were the case we'd have heard something surely.

Well a shuffle with a little screen would be an improvement, I have always hated the idea of not having a screen!

[xxMATTGxx]

Apple announced this evening that they will be broadcasting their media event live over the internet.


Apple will broadcast its September 1 event online using Apple’s industry-leading HTTP Live Streaming, which is based on open standards. Viewing requires either a Mac running Safari on Mac OS X version 10.6 Snow Leopard, an iPhone or iPod touch running iOS 3.0 or higher, or an iPad. The live broadcast will begin at 10:00 a.m. PDT on September 1, 2010 at www.apple.com.

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2010/08/31/191027-media_500.png

Source: MacRumors

Edit: No Windows support? :S

[Recursion]

No Windows support, what's up with that?!

There must be... :S

[kk.]

Someone will go on a mac and just screenshare it lol

[xxMATTGxx]

Someone will go on a mac and just screenshare it lol

Twit will probably do that to it's viewers.

[Apple]

Apple announced this evening that they will be broadcasting their media event live over the internet.



http://images.macrumors.com/article/2010/08/31/191027-media_500.png

Source: MacRumors

Edit: No Windows support? :S

Haha lol Apple are showing no love for Windows. Like Recursion said someone will get around it for everyone, maybe a live feed of a mac playing the event.

[syko2006]

I'm hoping they'll hurry up and release a new iPod touch with camera tbh! Maybe tomorrow, eh? :P

[Pyroka]

No Windows support, what's up with that?!

There must be... :S

I guess they're not down with the whole "Lets get more consumers" thing...

[GommeInc]

... Interesting... Maybe they're not showing support for Windows and are going back to the snotty hole from whence they came?

OR

ALL Mac users will be shown the conference/event whether they like it or not? Maybe Apple released an update that made it so they can overhaul your Mac whenever they wish to show you stuff that probably doesn't have much to do with you :P

[kk.]

I guess they're not down with the whole "Lets get more consumers" thing...

Exactly! Stupid marketing tbh. They should be targeting people who wouldn't normally buy apple products, not ones which are already likely to buy as they already have one..

[Jam]

Its not stupid marketing. The average consumer does not care about watching a press conference. Any that has the slight interest and watches it will lose interest long before it finishes. Anyone who has a 'higher than average' care for technology most likely owns at least one Apple product capable of viewing this or would seek out a stream to view it on elsewhere.

I would say most people who spend £100+ on a MP3/4 player would be buying an iPod and at least half of those would be iPod touch's, which are capable of viewing this conference.

[xxMATTGxx]

Its not stupid marketing. The average consumer does not care about watching a press conference. Any that has the slight interest and watches it will lose interest long before it finishes. Anyone who has a 'higher than average' care for technology most likely owns at least one Apple product capable of viewing this or would seek out a stream to view it on elsewhere.

I would say most people who spend £100+ on a MP3/4 player would be buying an iPod and at least half of those would be iPod touch's, which are capable of viewing this conference.

Oh so Windows users do not care about Apple products? Lmao.

[GommeInc]

Its not stupid marketing. The average consumer does not care about watching a press conference. Any that has the slight interest and watches it will lose interest long before it finishes. Anyone who has a 'higher than average' care for technology most likely owns at least one Apple product capable of viewing this or would seek out a stream to view it on elsewhere.

I would say most people who spend £100+ on a MP3/4 player would be buying an iPod and at least half of those would be iPod touch's, which are capable of viewing this conference.
That's pretty naive, as the conference is clearly to advertise something Apple is doing and if they want any interest then a wider spectrum would be advised. Not all iPod users own Macs, for instance and want to watch it on their devices. It's incredibly stupid marketing, something Apple should be avoiding seeing as their previous marketing campaigns have gone completely teets up. They're marketing, marketing means anything but for a computer/technology company, they should be focusing on the wider market, not just their current market. Like buying a Ford but no-one can own one or test drive unless you've previously owned a Ford.

[Jam]

The majority of Windows owners who care about apple products own one a la iPod touch/iPhone/Mac.

EDIT: No-one has claimed the fact that Apple have not had a live stream for the last however many years to be 'stupid'. I doubt 'Mr. Average' was sitting there pressing refresh on a live blog every 30 seconds.

Plus they put up a podcast of it so those that 'care about apple products' can watch it even if they don't own an apple product albeit a few hours afterwards *gasp*.

[GommeInc]

The majority of Windows owners who care about apple products own one a la iPod touch/iPhone/Mac.
Still crap marketing, they should be reaching everyone by giving everyone the choice. Not doing what they do best and control people :/

[MattFr]

The moral of this story? Get a Mac.

[iBlueBox]

I love my Mac, thank god for this live streaming.


http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbopall.html

a way in as well if the site crashes what it probably will.

[Recursion]

I love my Mac, thank god for this live streaming.


http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbopall.html

a way in as well if the site crashes what it probably will.

Seems to work in Chrome, lovely.

[xxMATTGxx]

I actually wish Apple didn't announce this because it seems some of their users think it's a +1 over Windows users, when it isn't...

[Recursion]

I think what it meant is they won't officially support Windows users but if we can find a webkit based browser like Chrome or Safari we can still see what's going on.

Btw, looks exactly the same in Safari on Mac as it does in Chrome on Windows.

[MattFr]

I actually wish Apple didn't announce this because it seems some of their users think it's a +1 over Windows users, when it isn't...
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2714/184952-1up_large.jpg

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[iBlueBox]

I just hope apple realises iOS4 on the iPad and its on it before the 8th of september as thats when i'm getting mine.

[Plean]

I have the new apple ipod :)

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[kk.]

Oh and probably an update on the White iPhone 4

[The Professor]

Oh and probably an update on the White iPhone 4

Yknow what I'd completely forgotten about that! I can't understand why anyone would want a white iphone though, to me they just look dated

[Recursion]

Yknow what I'd completely forgotten about that! I can't understand why anyone would want a white iphone though, to me they just look dated

The older iPhones look dated yes, but actually I think that is where Apple does wonders, the iPhone 4 looks (and not to sound like ol' Jobsy) beautiful :P

[iBlueBox]

Yknow what I'd completely forgotten about that! I can't understand why anyone would want a white iphone though, to me they just look dated


I think the white iphone on the 3GS looked okay,

but i dont think it would look so nice on the iPhone 4.

[kk.]

I prefer the White iPhone 4 over 3GS. It was ridiculous that they had a White front and black back :l

[iBlueBox]

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1009qpeijrfn/event

stream started :D

[Recursion]

Holy moley that stream is in good quality!!

[AgnesIO]

Anyone got a link to watch this on windows? :\

[Pyroka]

Anyone got a link to watch this on windows? :\

I would be interested in this too!

[flatface]

The store in China looks amazing

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I would be interested in this too!

You can watch it on your 3gs :D

[AgnesIO]

10:02AM - 40-foot high glass cylinder. Single pieces of glass. “Kind of a landmark in glass engineering.” Well, there you have it, Apple, Inc., glass company.

10:02AM - 18 months restoring the building. “It’s just a fantastic store. We’re also really excited about our second store in China, which we opened recently in Shanghai.”

:D

[Pyroka]

omg thats awesome on the iphone! That works so well :D

[Recursion]

tbh, the November iOS 4.2 update for iPad makes me want an iPad now. It doesn't seem so useless if you get me? :P

[AgnesIO]

ustream is awesomeeee

[flatface]

Touch screen nano :o oooer

[kk.]

uhm, i dislike the new nano :(

[AgnesIO]

No way LOL

is the new ipod shuffle seriously a mini ipod touch?

Ooh it's a nano o.O

:D

I only just streamed it

[flatface]

uhm, i dislike the new nano :(

it does look a bit weird lol, baby ipod touch

[AgnesIO]

Hmm I wonder if they release a new iMac, that is a large iPod Touch lol

[Recursion]

Quite like the look of the square, touch screen, iOS Nano!

[flatface]

Hmm I wonder if they release a new iMac, that is a large iPod Touch lol

Someone said they have a patent for touch screen iMac's and Macbooks so they may do lol

[AgnesIO]

The silver edge looks well weird

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iPod touch timee

[kk.]

Someone said they have a patent for touch screen iMac's and Macbooks so they may do lol

theyd do that at the next conference probably. they do do a mac conference dont they lol

[Recursion]

iPod Touch update looks good :)

The Mac conference is in June/July I think.

[flatface]

The iPod Touch looks amazing

[AgnesIO]

Just thought I would post this so everyone can watch the Apple Event. I posted in this thread, so users could see it (the other thread is getting flooded by all of us talking :))

There are many other streams on ustream too :)

Enjoy

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sep-1st---apple-live-music-event---pc-s-android-and-all-other-devices

[kk.]

i always love the apple ads :P

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i could make a better logo than that...

[flatface]

The new iTunes logo looks really nice haha

[iBlueBox]

i LOVE the new iPod Nano. Im going down tomorrow to the Apple store to buy my iPad YAY for iOS4.1 in November.

[MrPinkPanther]

Just saying, i've had iOS 4.1 since the weekend ^^.

[HotelUser]

I'm watching the live video now.

The new iTunes icon is horrible.

[MrPinkPanther]

Ping is lame. True story.

[Recursion]

I'm watching the live video now.

The new iTunes icon is horrible.


Ping is lame. True story.

Agreed, but I like the new iPods, just a shame the Classic didn't hear a word lol

[Jam]

Goodbye full HD apple tv support because its not revolutionary enough for Steve.

[W00TZEH]

New iTunes logo is terrible and can be done in 5minutes by anyone following a simple tutorial :S

[MrPinkPanther]

The new Apple TV is hot. ****, but hot.

[flatface]

I think the logo looks nice and simple :P

[iBlueBox]

Just saying, i've had iOS 4.1 since the weekend ^^.

on the iPad? how?

[MrPinkPanther]

on the iPad? how?

iPhone. I don't have an iPad :)

[kk.]

the internet there is... FAST... O_O

[Firehorse]

oh cmon, the guy stopped streaming it halfway through.

[Jam]

Love how their demo videos have subtitles when iTunes support for subtitles is awful.

[kk.]

thats a pretty awesome price tbh

[MrPinkPanther]

$99. Wow.

[AgnesIO]

oh cmon, the guy stopped streaming it halfway through.

There are many others.

[kk.]

why is the ipod touch not allowed radio function...

[AgnesIO]

anyone got a pic of the new logo? Was having dinner :L

[Jam]

I'm sure Make Trade Fair and Chris love Foxconn.

[kk.]

http://nexus404.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads2/2010/09/New-iTunes-Logo.jpg

[AgnesIO]

http://nexus404.com/Blog/wp-content/uploads2/2010/09/New-iTunes-Logo.jpg

Cheers.

Funny, it's quite windows 7 ish

+1 Green :)

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the guy from coldplay isn't very good live lol

[N!ck]

the internet there is... FAST... O_O

It's probably stored on their LAN to guarantee that it will be fast.


anyone got a pic of the new logo? Was having dinner :L

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2010/09/01/134026-itunes_10_icon.jpg

[AgnesIO]

So err talk about the new stuff? :P

I like how $99 is £99 in Apple sales.

[kk.]

It's probably stored on their LAN to guarantee that it will be fast.[/IMG]

hmm, but surely it would be instant streaming, rather than purchasing, and buffering

[N!ck]

hmm, but surely it would be instant streaming, rather than purchasing, and buffering

Meh, I don't know.

[The Professor]

That nano is horrible, imagine trying to scroll through a long list using the swipe gesture on that size of a screen... you'd get through like 3 songs at a time. It also only displays like 3 songs on the screen at a time, it all looks so cramped.

[kk.]

That nano is horrible, imagine trying to scroll through a long list using the swipe gesture on that size of a screen... you'd get through like 3 songs at a time. It also only displays like 3 songs on the screen at a time, it all looks so cramped.

thats what the quick slide down the side is for though :S but i am with you, i dislike the design. The amount of colour shown should be equal on all four sides, not uneven.

http://storeimages.apple.com/1432/store.apple.com/Catalog/regional/emea/nano/img/nano-blue-gen6.jpg

[Recursion]

That nano is horrible, imagine trying to scroll through a long list using the swipe gesture on that size of a screen... you'd get through like 3 songs at a time. It also only displays like 3 songs on the screen at a time, it all looks so cramped.

You can "jump" scroll through the Alphabet.

[AgnesIO]

That was quite a short event lol

[MrPinkPanther]

No "one more thing" :(

[Jordy]

Watched the official stream on my iPod Touch and had nothing but trouble with it tbh, it was constantly lagging, pausing and at times redirecting me to some video stream of a theatre, what's up with that?

http://a.imageshack.us/img831/131/img0095b.png

Ok the Shuffle is much better and looks fantastic now.

The iPod Nano, what on earth has happened there? They've removed the camera, although it was useless, it's still a step backwards which is well worth noting. The GUI doesn't really work, it's basically a tiny iPod Touch and doesn't work in that respect. What pisses me off the most though is it has a square resolution. Someone please tell me what use that is? No one has videos or photos in square resolutions, try watching a widescreen film on that and it'll look absolutely crap. Something which the previous iPod Nano's could previously do quite well.

The iPod Touch update is pretty lame, I have the current iPod Touch 64GB and I was a little scared they'd bring out something to thrash it especially when he spoke of "radical changes", the new screen technology and useless cameras don't phase me in the slightest. No one wants to use FaceTime on their iPod Touch surely..? Or on their iPhone for that matter as video calling really isn't that popular.

They also seem to of ditched the iPod Classic, they said they had updates to all the iPods yet missed out the Classic which they've neglected for many years now so I'm going to assume it's been axed which is a real pity due to it's awesome capacity.

I'm also confused with all the iOS versions, it used to be quite simple and you have Steve Jobs going "We're really happy with iOS here at Apple", why do you keep pushing out updates for it all over the shop then. iOS 4 was a mega-disappointment, the folders weren't really that useful and it was a half-hearted attempt at multi-tasking. At one point he got so desperate, he was showing off how you could pause music while in the web browser on the iPad, that's revolutionary stuff!

Ping is a load of crap, we don't need yet another social network, especially one which offers no more than any of the current ones. It also lacks connectivity with other social networks etc as Apple always enjoy closing everything off. The beauty of other social networks is how they allow apps and APIs etc. It's essentially stole the scrobbling, friend, recommendations and tour functions from Last FM. Stole the "Follow" feature from Twitter and tried to add in Facebook with the ability to post thoughts and photos etc. No one will use this and it will fail because it is useless. For example most artists have a base on Facebook and/or Twitter these days where you can get lots of info and updates from the artist. And I highly doubt it'll rival Last FM when it comes to recommendations etc.

However I do quite like Apple TV, I always have done but it's just come across as very confusing, however it's at a very reasonable price now (Although it has lost the HDD and now just streams media so that's understandable) and I really do hope it's a success. AirPlay seems very handy, as do the cheaper rentals and how they've incorporated the likes of Netflix into it.

[AgnesIO]

Isn't the theatre where it was??

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[Jam]

'Old' Apple TV on US down to $150, on UK sold out. Mac Mini or MCE it is.

[Recursion]

That was quite a short event lol

Wasn't really, it was a little over an hour, which most keynotes from Apple are.


No "one more thing" :(

He did say One more thing and that was the new Apple TV :P

I had no problems with the stream, and the new Apple TV is only $99! As I say, I'm not so much a hater of the iPad now either..

EDIT: WTH Apple, $99 != £99!

[MrPinkPanther]

He did say One more thing and that was the new Apple TV :P..
I must have missed that :'(



I had no problems with the stream, and the new Apple TV is only $99! As I say, I'm not so much a hater of the iPad now either..
Apple TV is cheap. iPad is hot and expensive. Simple ;).

[kk.]

Wasn't really, it was a little over an hour, which most keynotes from Apple are.



He did say One more thing and that was the new Apple TV :P

I had no problems with the stream, and the new Apple TV is only $99! As I say, I'm not so much a hater of the iPad now either..

its $99, but also £99. nice rip off on our end at the minute. although, doing what ive done previously, they dont add on tax, so, £64.09 plus 17.5% tax, = £75, so we're still getting a bit ripped off


oh you edited :P

[AgnesIO]

I did say that earlier :L

Overpriced on our end as normal lol

[kk.]

I did say that earlier :L

Overpriced on our end as normal lol

i hadnt worked out the tax then lol, i did see it though :P

we're losing out on about £15, because they'd have to do import tax, as well as covering for currrency fluctuations.

[Jam]

Or for an extra £50 buy an Xbox 360 4GB with storage, USB input, DVD player, 1080p support and a entire games console. Plus Hulu and Netflix for the yanks.

EDIT: Plus Media Center Extender abilities which means live TV which a product that contains the word TV does not support.

[dbgtz]

i had to go for a bit
was there a new ipod touch? if so can someone give me apic? :L

[Jam]

i had to go for a bit
was there a new ipod touch? if so can someone give me apic? :L

Google can.

[AgnesIO]

Here's lot's of pics :)

http://www.engadget.com/photos/ipod-touch-2010-hands-on/

There is a lot of different pics :)

And here's their article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/01/ipod-touch-2010-first-hands-on/

[kk.]

i had to go for a bit
was there a new ipod touch? if so can someone give me apic? :L

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/

[dbgtz]

Theyre update it already?
blimey.

[AgnesIO]

Theyre update it already?
blimey.

Thank you is always appreciated :\

[iBlueBox]

Apple site's very slow :L

[AgnesIO]

Apple site's very slow :L

Trying to download iTunes.

My d/s is 4.2kb/s LOL

[Recursion]

iTunes 10 isn't up for download yet...?

[Colin-Roberts]

it is, on the uk apple site http://www.apple.com/uk/itunes/

[flatface]

it is, on the uk apple site http://www.apple.com/uk/itunes/

It says it is, but if you read carefully it says otherwise.

Also this image:

http://images.apple.com/itunes/download/iframe/images/iTunes_enUS_Dwdl_09022008.gif

[xxMATTGxx]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/ipod-liveblog-2010-0197-rm-eng.jpg

I thought the screen on this would of been more ideal for the "Nano" then the square that it is.

[Jam]

The Nano no longer plays video so it doesn't matter that much.

[xxMATTGxx]

The Nano no longer plays video so it doesn't matter that much.

I'm not on about it playing video, for that matter I wouldn't care if it did or didn't. I just don't like small screens that's all! :P

[kk.]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/09/ipod-liveblog-2010-0197-rm-eng.jpg

I thought the screen on this would of been more ideal for the "Nano" then the square that it is.

i was thinking this. no need to make it square or anything. at least that way they can have info and the play and pause on the same screen. all the had to do was make the bars a bit wider and they can have menu systems rather than icons

[Jam]

It will just show artwork for the majority of the time and nearly all artwork is square, so a square screen makes perfect sense.

[HotelUser]

There are many others.

To be fair you folks didn't miss much. Mr Garner was telling about Apple's releases quicker reading from Engadget than I was seeing from the official video feed. Ah, well :P

[iBlueBox]

To be fair you folks didn't miss much. Mr Garner was telling about Apple's releases quicker reading from Engadget than I was seeing from the official video feed. Ah, well :P

The streams quality from Apple wasn't the best.

Froze a few times.

[Recursion]

Yeah I didn't see why the video feed kept going black... for less than a second but it did it fairly often and it got a bit annoying :S

[Colin-Roberts]

ye the nano small touch screen i hate... when you have big hands its way to small

[HotelUser]

It did seem unreliable didn't it, and I can't even understand why they didn't support Windows with it in the first place :P

[MrPinkPanther]

It did seem unreliable didn't it, and I can't even understand why they didn't support Windows with it in the first place :P

Its something to do with a different protocol that Apple is pushing in Safari. I didn't bother reading the article about it.

[Recursion]

I wish I'd used a Firefox addon to change my useragent strings to match a Mac+Safari to try it out now :(

[N!ck]

The stream was perfect for me. Great quality as well :S.

[HotelUser]

The stream was perfect for me. Great quality as well :S.

It was more around when I initially tuned into it that it appeared sluggish. Beginning with the actual pageload time which took well over five minutes and thereafter the video feed just kept cutting out.


I wish I'd used a Firefox addon to change my useragent strings to match a Mac+Safari to try it out now :(

I wish I thought of that! Ten bucks says it would have worked :P

[Firehorse]

It did seem unreliable didn't it, and I can't even understand why they didn't support Windows with it in the first place :P

Also because apple hate using other technology which is proven to work and want to use only their own deliberately so that people who do not own a recent apple product will feel left out. It's another mean marketing technique which is a reason i'm not a big fan of apple.

[Recursion]

To be fair, as soon as I loaded the page the video was playing in what looked like near-720p quality (obviously every now and then the quality was reduced but only for short 10 second or so intervals) and stayed that way most of the keynote, the only problem was the video going black for a second every now and then.

It did work very well in my opinion and I got to see a member of Coldplay play, so I was pleased! :P

[GommeInc]

From what I can tell, you might as well get an iPhone over an iPod Touch now. The update appears to just be an iPhone without the phone capabilities. Would FaceTime even be useful on it, seeing as it lacks any contact like features, other than what I assume are messengers? It's like Apple have confused their products with one another, they're all a bit of a mess, especially with the new Nano which has gone backwards, but everyone knew the camera just turned it into a crappy video camcorder, rather than an mp3 player :P

[kk.]

From what I can tell, you might as well get an iPhone over an iPod Touch now. The update appears to just be an iPhone without the phone capabilities. Would FaceTime even be useful on it, seeing as it lacks any contact like features, other than what I assume are messengers? It's like Apple have confused their products with one another, they're all a bit of a mess, especially with the new Nano which has gone backwards, but everyone knew the camera just turned it into a crappy video camcorder, rather than an mp3 player :P

I think the iPod touch does have a contacts thing. However, how it does it from iPod to iPod I don't know. Maybe the serial number on it? Not sure really lol

[Recursion]

It will use email addresses over your iTunes account probably... maybe LOL

[GommeInc]

I think the iPod touch does have a contacts thing. However, how it does it from iPod to iPod I don't know. Maybe the serial number on it? Not sure really lol
Might use serial number, or if there's an email or ID of some sort associated with it. Not entirely sure :P


It will use email addresses over your iTunes account probably... maybe LOL
^ What she said.

[peteyt]

Read some of the posts.

Question - Am I the only one who wants an updated iPod Classic.

My music collection is too large to fit on a touch.

[HotelUser]

Read some of the posts.

Question - Am I the only one who wants an updated iPod Classic.

My music collection is too large to fit on a touch.

I know I don't update iPods or own an iPod. I stream all my music as I have an unlimited data plan.

I never thought of that as reason for keeping a Classic. Hmm--I have to admit the new ones look pretty slick!

[peteyt]

I don't really care for slick - as someone who owns a radio station my music collection is big - i want something that can at least play most of my music collection.

60GB atm for my iPod and I need more space lol

[HotelUser]

I don't really care for slick - as someone who owns a radio station my music collection is big - i want something that can at least play most of my music collection.

60GB atm for my iPod and I need more space lol

My stars that's a large collection. I guess for a hard core music listener such as yourself you don't need the extras of a touch anyway.

[peteyt]

I wouldn't mind them but i can live without them - really i just want something that can host music and videos - i often put films onto ipod for example flights - as often the entertainment can be crap - although last holiday i went on last month we all rented PSP's on the way back - was quite a good idea.

But yeah they need to update it - so those who need space can have it.

[xxMATTGxx]

Anyone running iTunes 10 yet? I was reading some tweets in bed this morning and from an Apple User:


"Yeah iTunes 10 is quite literally the worst designed piece of software I've seen from Apple."


"I really just don't know what to do with iTunes 10. I want to kill it, but I don't know how."


"iTunes 10 is like an ant. Once you see it, you want to get rid of it as quickly as possible."

I would try it for myself but I don't want to start hating it within seconds. :P

[Recursion]

To be honest, with a bug fix from Apple I wouldn't mind it.

[xxMATTGxx]

Not a big fan of "Ping" at this moment in time.

[AgnesIO]

Tbh I imagine some of those flattering tweets are ripping it for the sake of it lol

[iBlueBox]

Give Ping a few months and im sure you'll get all the bands on their.

Its aim isn't to take over facebook , twitter.

I'ld say more for MySpace as thats the most music social network.

[Art]

60GB atm for my iPod and I need more space lol

A 160gb one is available according to the Apple website.

[N!ck]

I'm sorry, but keeping your entire music collection on your portable music player isn't realistic anyway. You're only going to want a selection of the best while on the move. Not everything. Mine couldn't even fit on a 160GB iPod classic anyway :S.

[GommeInc]

I'm sorry, but keeping your entire music collection on your portable music player isn't realistic anyway. You're only going to want a selection of the best while on the move. Not everything. Mine couldn't even fit on a 160GB iPod classic anyway :S.
He still should be given the choice ;) How is it unrealistic anyway? It's possible and some may want to do it, just because it doesn't fit into your opinion doesn't mean his is unrealistic :/ I have friends that take their entire music collection around with them - some are DJs while some host events that include music, and only having to plug in a small device tends to work well for them. Beats taking an external HDD which one did for a while until he realised a decent sized laptop did the same thing :P

Back to the iPod Nano, what multi-touch gestures does it actually need? I can't think of any seeing as it is inferior in design to show videos and pictures, since the Nano appears to have a perfect square for a screen :/

And thinking on that, weren't mp3 player stoage meant to rise? It shrunk when they introdused flash drives, but I'm sure I heard or understood that the large storage found on the original iPod Classic were meant to be slowly returning? It's something that all MP3 player companies seem to be doing, not just Apple :/

[DJ:Bunny]

New Store Open In Oxford Circus U can Try out the IPad and The new Mac's Its amazing

[Firehorse]

New Store Open In Oxford Circus U can Try out the IPad and The new Mac's Its amazing

You mean just like you can in every other store? Unbelievable :O

Whats this got to do with yesterday's event?

[N!ck]

He still should be given the choice ;) How is it unrealistic anyway? It's possible and some may want to do it, just because it doesn't fit into your opinion doesn't mean his is unrealistic :/ I have friends that take their entire music collection around with them - some are DJs while some host events that include music, and only having to plug in a small device tends to work well for them.

I'm sorry, but a DJ that uses an iPod. Is this serious?

[GommeInc]

I'm sorry, but a DJ that uses an iPod. Is this serious?
I see you think all DJs are the professionals who play music in clubs or at weddings while mixing discs. I see no argument here ;) Ever heard of the words "unofficial" or "unprofessional"? Look 'em up, particularly "unofficial names" and "unprofessional names" on Google. The word "DJ" reaches over into people who just so happen to be the ones in charge of music at a party - the one who has put their iPod, laptop, or plugging in their iPod into their laptop, into a mixer for the music. Simples. It's not just vinyls or CDs anymore, which I assume is what you mean.

[N!ck]

I see you think all DJs are the professionals who play music in clubs or at weddings while mixing discs. I see no argument here ;) Ever heard of the words "unofficial" or "unprofessional"? Look 'em up, particularly "unofficial names" and "unprofessional names" on Google. The word "DJ" reaches over into people who just so happen to be the ones in charge of music at a party - the one who has put their iPod, laptop, or plugging in their iPod into their laptop, into a mixer for the music. Simples. It's not just vinyls or CDs anymore, which I assume is what you mean.

No, lol. Obviously I understand for house partys etc. And no, I wasn't implying vinyl and CD. A lot of places use mp3s these days anyway.

[GommeInc]

No, lol. Obviously I understand for house partys etc. And no, I wasn't implying vinyl and CD. A lot of places use mp3s these days anyway.
To be honest, using an mp3 player as the source of music at any event like a wedding is dreadful, the controls tend to be a downfall, but some people seem to manage to navigate an mp3 player, or be clever and make a playlist :P Apparently MP3 players have replaced alot of DJs at personal events like weddings because of the recession. There's some eco-science behind all this :P

[HotelUser]

They said Ping is a social network for music--does this mean Paul Allen is going to sue Apple too :P

[Angel-Light]

Why is everything becoming touchscreen? I really don't like the new Ipod because of teh touchscreen. I feel that the screen gets too dirty with finger marks also if it is in your pocket without the lock being on it will cause havoc -.-

[Apple]

Why is everything becoming touchscreen? I really don't like the new Ipod because of teh touchscreen. I feel that the screen gets too dirty with finger marks also if it is in your pocket without the lock being on it will cause havoc -.-

Touch screen is great if it is done properly. Unless you have a dirty job such as a mechanic/builder/farmer etc then you shouldn't really have a problem with the screen getting dirty unless you never wash your hands? :P And I never have a problem with things getting pressed because usually with touchscreen technology they implement ways of locking it fast and easily.

[peteyt]

To be honest, using an mp3 player as the source of music at any event like a wedding is dreadful, the controls tend to be a downfall, but some people seem to manage to navigate an mp3 player, or be clever and make a playlist :P Apparently MP3 players have replaced alot of DJs at personal events like weddings because of the recession. There's some eco-science behind all this :P

I don't DJ with an iPod - however I do use an ipod as a form of backup as well as an external - handy if your PC breaks.

But when on holiday lets say - I want quite a lot of music with me - you can get bored easily of the same tracks.

[Recursion]

To be honest, using an mp3 player as the source of music at any event like a wedding is dreadful, the controls tend to be a downfall, but some people seem to manage to navigate an mp3 player, or be clever and make a playlist :P Apparently MP3 players have replaced alot of DJs at personal events like weddings because of the recession. There's some eco-science behind all this :P

iPod classics are pretty good for MP3 DJs if they don't want to use a computer (you dock them with decks)

[HotelUser]

Why is everything becoming touchscreen? I really don't like the new Ipod because of teh touchscreen. I feel that the screen gets too dirty with finger marks also if it is in your pocket without the lock being on it will cause havoc -.-

Genuine concern Hayley, although I think Apple knows what they're doing with their touch enabled devices these days. I'm happy to report most of their devices only rarely show off any fingerprints with usage.

[AgnesIO]

I don't DJ with an iPod - however I do use an ipod as a form of backup as well as an external - handy if your PC breaks.

But when on holiday lets say - I want quite a lot of music with me - you can get bored easily of the same tracks.

So when you are on holiday you listen to over 525 hours of music?

[Recursion]

So when you are on holiday you listen to over 525 hours of music?

I don't think that's the point though, I can fill my phone up with loads of music I love and still want to listen to something else sometimes, thank god for Spotify mobile eh? :P

[AgnesIO]

I don't think that's the point though, I can fill my phone up with loads of music I love and still want to listen to something else sometimes, thank god for Spotify mobile eh? :P

Oh I know, but the way he put it is he likes loads of music so he doesn't have to listen to the same song twice.

Which isn't going to happen :L

[GommeInc]

So when you are on holiday you listen to over 525 hours of music?

Can't he be spontaneous? He doesn't have to plan x amount of hours of music to listen to :P

[peteyt]

Oh I know, but the way he put it is he likes loads of music so he doesn't have to listen to the same song twice.

Which isn't going to happen :L

I'd just like to have more choice.

Plus due to the size of my music library it would be quite time consuming to select the tracks I like and the tracks I'm nto as keen on - its a lot easier to just whack it all on.

[HotelUser]

I'd just like to have more choice.

Plus due to the size of my music library it would be quite time consuming to select the tracks I like and the tracks I'm nto as keen on - its a lot easier to just whack it all on.

I'm with you there. I love just being able to push a play button and being able to be surrounded by nice sounding songs that I like without having to worry about pushing buttons all the time!

[GommeInc]

I've just seen the price of the Nano on Play.com. £159 for 16GB? What a rip off! It's gone backwards, bring back the Mini :/ No video, crap picture support (square screen? ARGH!).

[Apple]

I actually love the new Nano, might all change when I see it and use it for real though. If I like it which I'm sure I will, I may end up getting one for the gym/bike rides but that all depends on how easy it is to operate.

[Recursion]

I actually love the new Nano, might all change when I see it and use it for real though. If I like it which I'm sure I will, I may end up getting one for the gym/bike rides but that all depends on how easy it is to operate.

That's where I think the Nano is going, it's definitely sport orientated now and is clear that Apple want the average consumer to pick the iPod Touch.

[StefanWolves]

tbh, the November iOS 4.2 update for iPad makes me want an iPad now. It doesn't seem so useless if you get me? :P

Agreed. I think I'll get the new one when it's released in Jan/Feb.

iPad didn't interest me until I saw iOS 4.2.

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I think the iPod touch does have a contacts thing. However, how it does it from iPod to iPod I don't know. Maybe the serial number on it? Not sure really lol
It will do it via email, in the contacts application.

Hope te next iPad has it, loads of people will have iPhone 4s and new iPod touchs by then.

[HotelUser]

I'm quite confused; I've upgraded iTunes on my iMac and I do not have this new icon!

[kk.]

Agreed. I think I'll get the new one when it's released in Jan/Feb.

iPad didn't interest me until I saw iOS 4.2.

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It will do it via email, in the contacts application.

Hope te next iPad has it, loads of people will have iPhone 4s and new iPod touchs by then.

next iPad will have a retina screen too, imho.

they need to develop something which plugs into the i-devices to use it as some sort of console. The Epic Citadel demo is actually amazing graphic wise, but the controls for games like that are awkward

[MrPinkPanther]

next iPad will have a retina screen too, imho.

I'm not so sure. Apple need to be careful about constantly changing screen resolutions because it annoys developers. Since the start of this year they have moved from one consistent resolution (480x320) to 3 (480x320, 1024x768, 960x640), would they want to add another?

[Agnostic Bear]

I doubt 'Mr. Average' was sitting there pressing refresh on a live blog every 30 seconds.

http://i.imgur.com/c444p.png
Hrmph.

[kk.]

I'm not so sure. Apple need to be careful about constantly changing screen resolutions because it annoys developers. Since the start of this year they have moved from one consistent resolution (480x320) to 3 (480x320, 1024x768, 960x640), would they want to add another?

theres no point not adding it. Developers dont have to change much. The apps developed on the 480x320 screens work on the 1024x768, as well as 960x640. Theyd just have to design apps for the, what im guessing, would be something like 2048x1536 or w/e. as the graphics in this, would scale proportionatly to the other resolutions

[MrPinkPanther]

theres no point not adding it. Developers dont have to change much. The apps developed on the 480x320 screens work on the 1024x768, as well as 960x640. Theyd just have to design apps for the, what im guessing, would be something like 2048x1536 or w/e. as the graphics in this, would scale proportionatly to the other resolutions

There is an expectation amongst consumers that apps will run in their native resolution. Have you tried running standard iPhone apps on an iPad screen? They look less than impressive. Coping with a higher resolution is fine for larger companies but for indie developers it alienates them from the app store to a certain extent and they are the people who essentially fuel the appstore. From a programming perspective it isn't too difficult to adapt to but from a graphical standpoint it can require a complete graphics overhaul in order to cope with the resolution.

[Recursion]

I'm not so sure. Apple need to be careful about constantly changing screen resolutions because it annoys developers. Since the start of this year they have moved from one consistent resolution (480x320) to 3 (480x320, 1024x768, 960x640), would they want to add another?

I think they can easily pull it off, Android supports many many resolutions with XML-based App UIs, essentially it's like building a HTML/CSS website for many different resolutions, there's no doubt Apple can manage it.

[kk.]

There is an expectation amongst consumers that apps will run in their native resolution. Have you tried running standard iPhone apps on an iPad screen? They look less than impressive. Coping with a higher resolution is fine for larger companies but for indie developers it alienates them from the app store to a certain extent and they are the people who essentially fuel the appstore. From a programming perspective it isn't too difficult to adapt to but from a graphical standpoint it can require a complete graphics overhaul in order to cope with the resolution.

ye but even on the current ipad resolution, the graphics are good, so they wont look too bad on one that has a better resolution. So theyve had to adapt to that if they want to support it. and the overhauls of the graphics, at least ones which are still updating, shouldve already happened by the new year. People SHOULD, not will be but should, be developing apps in HD now, rather than standard res

[MrPinkPanther]

I think they can easily pull it off, Android supports many many resolutions with XML-based App UIs, essentially it's like building a HTML/CSS website for many different resolutions, there's no doubt Apple can manage it.

But it's not always that straightforward is my point. Take the game I'm developing at the moment, the camera is a certain distance away from the level itself, moving it closer or further away would completely change the gameplay because you are only supposed to be able to see a specific part of the level. Now if I were porting it to the iPad properly (which I hopefully will be) then it will require a complete graphics overhaul because the 3D work that has been designed for it will look frankly awful at the bigger size. Reworking all textures to a higher resolution and adding more polys to 3D models is a lot of work for the indie studio I'm employed by. The more resolutions Apple adds the more expensive and difficult it becomes to develop for their devices.

Of course many applications do not have the problem that we do but even with the simplest of games moving the Camera out could drastically change the speed of the gameplay and hence alter the game altogether. Basically if the resolution of the device gets larger then you have three options, either move the camera out allowing the user to see more of the world, enlarge the world and redesign the graphics or do nothing. None of these options are attractive.

[Firehorse]

But it's not always that straightforward is my point. Take the game I'm developing at the moment, the camera is a certain distance away from the level itself, moving it closer or further away would completely change the gameplay because you are only supposed to be able to see a specific part of the level. Now if I were porting it to the iPad properly (which I hopefully will be) then it will require a complete graphics overhaul because the 3D work that has been designed for it will look frankly awful at the bigger size. Reworking all textures to a higher resolution and adding more polys to 3D models is a lot of work for the indie studio I'm employed by. The more resolutions Apple adds the more expensive and difficult it becomes to develop for their devices.


develop the textures in high res at the start and then scale it downwards rather than upwards? much simpler way to go.

[HotelUser]

develop the textures in high res at the start and then scale it downwards rather than upwards? much simpler way to go.

In my brain this is what I'd think would work best, then again I know nothing about 3D game development :P

[MrPinkPanther]

develop the textures in high res at the start and then scale it downwards rather than upwards? much simpler way to go.

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Well what you are saying isn't wrong but once you change the polys of an object the whole texture is thrown out of line and needs to be redone or heavily tweaked at the very least. The actual remodelling of the 3D object is a lot more complex too. It's virtually impossible to take the poly count down efficiently and it can even often prove troublesome adding polys whilst maintaing the style.

Basically what I'm saying is it's unnecessary effort for what it is. Realistically a resolution change does little to improve the end users experience and it can prove costly to the developer. That's my opinion on the matter anyway.

[Recursion]

Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Well what you are saying isn't wrong but once you change the polys of an object the whole texture is thrown out of line and needs to be redone or heavily tweaked at the very least. The actual remodelling of the 3D object is a lot more complex too. It's virtually impossible to take the poly count down efficiently and it can even often prove troublesome adding polys whilst maintaing the style.

Basically what I'm saying is it's unnecessary effort for what it is. Realistically a resolution change does little to improve the end users experience and it can prove costly to the developer. That's my opinion on the matter anyway.

I'd have to totally disagree! :P

Movies and photos will be more defined, I'll be able to see more on a game (e.g. an FPS), I'll be able to see more information in a document or on a web page, the list goes on.

Although it may cause some issues for the developers (which would be dependant on the platform... like XML based UIs) in the end it really is noticeable and can impact the user's experience greatly :P

[HotelUser]

To elaborate onto what Tom said look at Habbo. Before we were stuck at 600x800. Now with more real estate we can zoom into small rooms, fit entire large rooms on our screen, customize size to fit the choose and friends list, even the hotel navigator on all at once. Being limited in screen size makes me feel uneasy, I like the freedom of customization!

[MrPinkPanther]

I'd have to totally disagree! :P

Movies and photos will be more defined, I'll be able to see more on a game (e.g. an FPS), I'll be able to see more information in a document or on a web page, the list goes on.

Although it may cause some issues for the developers (which would be dependant on the platform... like XML based UIs) in the end it really is noticeable and can impact the user's experience greatly :P

I'd agree if the iPad was low resolution but 1024x768 is ridiculously high for such a small device. Increasing it wouldn't really give you any more detail in movies films or games. Like take your FPS example. Run standard Nova and Nova HD on an iPhone 4, you get no real kind of gameplay change but Gameloft had to spend money remastering the graphics for it. Fine for them but not indie devs. Oh and in regards to web pages, who designs websites for larger than 1024px? Most monitors are still at that resolution no?


To elaborate onto what Tom said look at Habbo. Before we were stuck at 600x800. Now with more real estate we can zoom into small rooms, fit entire large rooms on our screen, customize size to fit the choose and friends list, even the hotel navigator on all at once. Being limited in screen size makes me feel uneasy, I like the freedom of customization!

But with the iPad we aren't talking about a screen size change, we are talking about a resolution change. The reason Habbo changed was because the window got larger, not because it had more PPI.

[Recursion]

I'd agree if the iPad was low resolution but 1024x768 is ridiculously high for such a small device. Increasing it wouldn't really give you any more detail in movies films or games. Like take your FPS example. Run standard Nova and Nova HD on an iPhone 4, you get no real kind of gameplay change but Gameloft had to spend money remastering the graphics for it. Fine for them but not indie devs. Oh and in regards to web pages, who designs websites for larger than 1024px? Most monitors are still at that resolution no?



But with the iPad we aren't talking about a screen size change, we are talking about a resolution change. The reason Habbo changed was because the window got larger, not because it had more PPI.

According to W3's statistics, in January 2010 76% of people were using resolutions higher than 1024px wide, so yes, the second biggest cohort would be 1024px wide, but as you can see from the stats, it's decreasing dramatically year by year.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp

[MrPinkPanther]

According to W3's statistics, in January 2010 76% of people were using resolutions higher than 1024px wide, so yes, the second biggest cohort would be 1024px wide, but as you can see from the stats, it's decreasing dramatically year by year.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp
76% of a tech sites users are greater than 1024px, of course. That makes perfect sense but thats not a reflection of the market as a whole because people interested in Computing will generally have larger monitors and more powerful computers. The fact that it's only 76% says a lot, if it were in the 90%'s then I'd understand where you are coming from but 76% of webdesigners have a higher resolution than 1024px isn't a lot. What you'd need is the stats from a site like BBC or Google and then you'd be able to draw an accurate summary. I'm willing to bet the average is below 1024, particularly because of the boom in laptop and netbook sales.

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76% of a tech sites users are greater than 1024px, of course. That makes perfect sense but thats not a reflection of the market as a whole because people interested in Computing will generally have larger monitors and more powerful computers. The fact that it's only 76% says a lot, if it were in the 90%'s then I'd understand where you are coming from but 76% of webdesigners have a higher resolution than 1024px isn't a lot. What you'd need is the stats from a site like BBC or Google and then you'd be able to draw an accurate summary. I'm willing to bet the average is below 1024, particularly because of the boom in laptop and netbook sales.

Netbooks generally are 1024 wide and higher (you can't say these are very popular though), whilst laptops are generally 1280 wide or higher nowadays.

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Netbooks generally are 1024 wide and higher, whilst laptops are generally 1280 wide or higher nowadays.

But that's exactly it, if you buy one now it's the same or higher but most people have devices that are a few years old. Don't forget we also live in one of the richest and most technology based countries in the world, websites are a global thing and many countries have a much slower technology uptake. Going back to the original point even you can't deny that webdesigners as a general rule do not design for greater than 1024px. In fact I'll pull you this link from a webdesign website from around this time last year:

http://www.warriorforum.com/website-design/112983-average-screen-resolution.html