Labour leader...

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because i can't see a thread dedicated just to this. who do you want to be the new labour leader?

[culturist]

david milliband :)

[kk.]

good ol david

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David Miliband the man who wants to ban those coming into the country with whom he disagrees with? Do we really want somebody as dangerous to our freedom of speech, democracy and civil liberties as that?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42y9ymg4tqU&feature=fvw


'A hate filled film'

Have you seen this film?

'No I haven't seen the film'

So just with this one single example we've already established he's a proven liar (I would gurantee there's many more examples out there for both him and the other bunch who are standing for the leadership). If I had to pick someone for Labour leader i'd pick those who I have respect for and those who stand by their views - even though I disagree with them. Frank Field MP springs to mind and then there was always George Galloway and Claire Short, who, although I disagreed with them - they stood their ground and puts their morals before their political career.

A lot of people are impressed by David Miliband because he's a smooth fella just like Antony Blair and David Cameron - the other day I myself was watching Blair on television and it's hard not to start nodding your head to what he says but then you realise, this man is a liar and thanks to his lies, hundreds of thousands are now dead. Miliband is the exact same - if you enjoy being spat on by your politicians aka enjoying being taken for as mugs, then by all means - vote for David Miliband.

[kk.]

David Miliband the man who wants to ban those coming into the country with whom he disagrees with? Do we really want somebody as dangerous to our freedom of speech, democracy and civil liberties as that?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42y9ymg4tqU&feature=fvw


'A hate filled film'

Have you seen this film?

'No I haven't seen the film'

So just with this one single example we've already established he's a proven liar (I would gurantee there's many more examples out there for both him and the other bunch who are standing for the leadership). If I had to pick someone for Labour leader i'd pick those who I have respect for and those who stand by their views - even though I disagree with them. Frank Field MP springs to mind and then there was always George Galloway and Claire Short, who, although I disagreed with them - they stood their ground and puts their morals before their political career.

A lot of people are impressed by David Miliband because he's a smooth fella just like Antony Blair and David Cameron - the other day I myself was watching Blair on television and it's hard not to start nodding your head to what he says but then you realise, this man is a liar and thanks to his lies, hundreds of thousands are now dead. Miliband is the exact same - if you enjoy being spat on by your politicians aka enjoying being taken for as mugs, then by all means - vote for David Miliband.



antony blair... just call him tony ffs

and secondly, do i really want someone who believes that we should leave the european union running this country? no. therefor i do not vote UKIP. keep your views to yourself, maybe i agree with his points of view, and you shouldnt be imposing yours on everyone else and, effectively, insulting them without them realising

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I want Ed Miliband to win because he's proper left and traditional labour.

[-:Undertaker:-]

antony blair... just call him tony ffs

and secondly, do i really want someone who believes that we should leave the european union running this country? no. therefor i do not vote UKIP. keep your views to yourself, maybe i agree with his points of view, and you shouldnt be imposing yours on everyone else and, effectively, insulting them without them realising

Well firstly I won't call 'call me Tony' Tony just like I won't call David Cameron 'Dave' - or do you like the politicians pretending they are down on our level with their nicknames? in other words, you must enjoy being taken for a fool by the party political spin machines who come up with rubbish like that.

Secondly, UKIP want to leave the European Union and not remain within it. The Labour Party, Conservative Party and the Liberal Democrats all wish to remain in the European Union which is (and always has been) a project to create a federal Europe of which David Miliband is a ardent supporter (he was once tipped for the EU Foreign Minister post). So let's get this straight here, he is a man whose government refused to give us our promised referendum on EU reformal and forced it through parliament - and David Miliband was so very close to then acquiring one of the top jobs with hundreds of pencil pushers at his disposal. The same old usual 'jobs for the boys'.

The video posted shows just one lie, so whether or not you agree with him on his policies - you should still be asking yourself whether or not what he is saying is true to begin with, because if he's prepared to lie before he's even got the top job then don't say you haven't been warned.

[FlyingJesus]

Dandertaker


soz my bad I mean Daniel Dertaker

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Equality and dignity in work – tackling the gap between rich and poor, campaigning for a living wage and a high pay commission for both the public and private sector.
Rebuilding prosperity – supporting new industries, training opportunities and taking on the Coalition’s cuts and unfairness.
Building a sustainable future – putting climate change at the centre of everything we do, including our economic future.
Foreign policy based on values – not simply our alliances, learning lessons from the mistakes of Iraq.
Fairness in education – excellent schools in every community and fairer funding in higher education.
Protecting individual liberty – support for measures like CCTV but opposition to unnecessary state intervention in people’s lives, like excessive use of stop and search powers.
A 21st century democracy – support for the Alternative Vote, reform of the House of Lords, votes at 16 and more power for local government.
Building a movement – more voice for party members and a culture change in the way we do business, with women comprising 50% of the Shadow Cabinet.

what a great guy

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Well firstly I won't call 'call me Tony' Tony just like I won't call David Cameron 'Dave' - or do you like the politicians pretending they are down on our level with their nicknames? in other words, you must enjoy being taken for a fool by the party political spin machines who come up with rubbish like that.

Secondly, UKIP want to leave the European Union and not remain within it. The Labour Party, Conservative Party and the Liberal Democrats all wish to remain in the European Union which is (and always has been) a project to create a federal Europe of which David Miliband is a ardent supporter (he was once tipped for the EU Foreign Minister post). So let's get this straight here, he is a man whose government refused to give us our promised referendum on EU reformal and forced it through parliament - and David Miliband was so very close to then acquiring one of the top jobs with hundreds of pencil pushers at his disposal. The same old usual 'jobs for the boys'.

The video posted shows just one lie, so whether or not you agree with him on his policies - you should still be asking yourself whether or not what he is saying is true to begin with, because if he's prepared to lie before he's even got the top job then don't say you haven't been warned.

I wouldnt want to be called Joshua, if i introduced myself as Josh.

why the hell are you telling me about which partys are for and against the european union. I said, if you read properly, that i would NOT vote UKIP because they want to leave the EU. I wish to remain with it. Perhaps i want a federal Europe. Do you not understand the concept of 'opinions'? because it certainly looks that way.

Keep your trash out of threads which is nothing to do with what your posting. This is about the labour leadership, and who people would want. not discussing the wrong choices people are choosing, as again, PERSONAL OPINION AND PREFERENCE.

I dont care for UKIP, and wish that almost every post that i read of yours didnt include it, but they do. It gets monotonous, and boring.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Equality and dignity in work – tackling the gap between rich and poor, campaigning for a living wage and a high pay commission for both the public and private sector.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw



Rebuilding prosperity – supporting new industries, training opportunities and taking on the Coalition’s cuts and unfairness.Impossible to challenge Asia due to cheaper costs of running, not to mention the fact that Labour has a history of piling on regulation and not to mention the greater fact we are members of the European Union. The above policy 'rebuilding prosperity' also clashes with this, because if you are wanting investment to set up new industry then you need investors to come here and spend the money - taxes and regulations only serves to shun investment away from this country.


Building a sustainable future – putting climate change at the centre of everything we do, including our economic future.The climate has cooled over the last 10 years, in other words; he wants a non-problem at the centre of everything we do. By economic future, there will be no economic future left is we continue spending billions on subsidising wind turbines.


Foreign policy based on values – not simply our alliances, learning lessons from the mistakes of Iraq.So i'm guessing he's going to stop trading with China, stop giving aid to Zimbabwe and so on? also, was it not his government which released a terrorist to a dictatorship country (Libya) to help sign oil contracts? is that what he means when he talks about a foreign policy based on values?


Fairness in education – excellent schools in every community and fairer funding in higher education.Yes, and I can promise you a utopia right now - doesn't mean it'll happen.


Protecting individual liberty – support for measures like CCTV but opposition to unnecessary state intervention in people’s lives, like excessive use of stop and search powers.Ahh so does that mean a yes to more government databases/ID cards? what about the European Arrest Warrant which breaks the ancient habeus corpus? what about detention without trial (our country can now hold suspects longer than they do in Zimbabwe would you believe!)


A 21st century democracy – support for the Alternative Vote, reform of the House of Lords, votes at 16 and more power for local government.No proportional representation then, thought not. As for the rest not that it matters anyway because parliament barely sits - it doesn't need to anymore, most of our laws are made on the other side of the English Channel.


Building a movement – more voice for party members and a culture change in the way we do business, with women comprising 50% of the Shadow Cabinet.Putting peoples gender before ability? isn't that sexism?


what a great guyMmm.


I wouldnt want to be called Joshua, if i introduced myself as Josh.

why the hell are you telling me about which partys are for and against the european union. I said, if you read properly, that i would NOT vote UKIP because they want to leave the EU. I wish to remain with it. Perhaps i want a federal Europe. Do you not understand the concept of 'opinions'? because it certainly looks that way.

Keep your trash out of threads which is nothing to do with what your posting. This is about the labour leadership, and who people would want. not discussing the wrong choices people are choosing, as again, PERSONAL OPINION AND PREFERENCE.

I dont care for UKIP, and wish that almost every post that i read of yours didnt include it, but they do. It gets monotonous, and boring.

You aren't a politician though are you now, I can't believe you are arguing over what I call the former PM.

Err no, you said "do i really want someone who believes that we should leave the european union running this country? no. therefor i do not vote UKIP." - not worded very good, infact if you read it as how you say you have wrote it - it doesnt make sense. If you want a federal Europe then thats your opinion yes, but its high time everybody in this country got to express an opinion on this matter rather than being told we are going to be allowed to express an opinion, then being lied to as Labour did in their 2005 manifesto. So again my point stands, why would you support a proven liar?

This is about the Labour leadership yeah, and i'm discussing it at length which you don't seem to like which suggests to me you don't really have a real response, you are taken aback somewhat - hence why you are telling me not to post in this thread.

As for UKIP, you brought it up first in this thread - I didn't mention them once until you did, the only mention of UKIP was the video name and I cannot change the name of the video I posted now, can I?

Here is the first point at which UKIP was mentioned in this thread;

"no. therefor i do not vote UKIP" - and who posted that? you did.

I have said my bit now anyway on the Milibands.

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You aren't a politician though are you now, I can't believe you are arguing over what I call the former PM.

Err no, you said "do i really want someone who believes that we should leave the european union running this country? no. therefor i do not vote UKIP." - not worded very good, infact if you read it as how you say you have wrote it - it doesnt make sense. If you want a federal Europe then thats your opinion yes, but its high time everybody in this country got to express an opinion on this matter rather than being told we are going to be allowed to express an opinion, then being lied to as Labour did in their 2005 manifesto. So again my point stands, why would you support a proven liar?

This is about the Labour leadership yeah, and i'm discussing it at length which you don't seem to like which suggests to me you don't really have a real response, you are taken aback somewhat - hence why you are telling me not to post in this thread.

As for UKIP, you brought it up first in this thread - I didn't mention them once until you did, the only mention of UKIP was the video name and I cannot change the name of the video I posted now, can I?

Here is the first point at which UKIP was mentioned in this thread;

"no. therefor i do not vote UKIP" - and who posted that? you did.

I have said my bit now anyway on the Milibands.

So? Its still the same. Hes known as tony, not once have i heard any news report call him antony? Or at least the majority call him tony, and so everyone knows him as that..

then you are a completely derf if you dont understand what it was saying. To me, it reads the same as i write it, which is:

Do I want us to be part of the European Union? YES

People voted in the election, and they get what they voted for. Other than the proposed PR, theres no other way it can be combated. I am for PR, just so you know.

Im just going to ignore that, as its clearly not what you do. youve trashed everyones reason for picking who they want, and i dont think you gave which one you'd pick..

Take the other thread for example.. and yes, which is why i said ALMOST every post. Please, read before you type..

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http://edmiliband.org/learnmore/speeches/3-why-im-standing/

what a cute story