Moderator Applications

[Pyroka]

Just wanted to feedback here, noticing three threads in the complaints section about a moderator getting a trial whilst being with the forum for only 2 months, whereas the criteria clearly states 3 months. Y'know what I think about peeps moaning about one technicality? Bugger off.

He applied knowing he had 2 months, that's why he made his application very good. Habbox has always had exceptions in the past (guilty! http://static.thestudentroom.co.uk/images/smilies/awesome.gif) & they've all proven to be rather good decisions (http://static.thestudentroom.co.uk/images/smilies/awesome.gif), I mean the old forum manager Oli was a total rebel but they let it fly, and he became one of the best Forum Managers (in my opinion) that Habbox has had.

So to all da player haters, remember his Moderation style and experience wouldn't have changed a month after applications, except he'd probably have lost the chance to do so. You gotta be in it to win it!

And on another note, why wasn't I accepted *hiss*

[marriott0.01]

I agree with you 100% Ryan. If his application was exceptional then why shouldn't he be accepted? I don't get people's problems with it. If you're going to spit your dummy out just because you didn't get accepted don't aim it at someone just because they were 30days below the limit? It's a joke. The reason they didn't get chosen was because their application is not good enough, not because they had some vendetta against the person so decided to get someone with 2 months experience.

Criteria is there to be broken if one exceptional candidate comes forward.

[rnix]

So if i was here for 4 years but i had a bad record in the past would that work the same?
Doubt it. Would my long time here and my knowing of the forum balance out the previous bad behavior?

[Pyroka]

So if i was here for 4 years but i had a bad record in the past would that work the same?
Doubt it. Would my long time here and my knowing of the forum balance out the previous bad behavior?

1. How long ago was the past?
2. Do you have any recent usernotes/warnings/infractions which link to the past?
3. Did you even apply?
4. If you did apply, did you consider that other members who are more well behaved may get the job instead?

Just a few things to consider.

[rnix]

1. How long ago was the past?
2. Do you have any recent usernotes/warnings/infractions which link to the past?
3. Did you even apply?
4. If you did apply, did you consider that other members who are more well behaved may get the job instead?

Just a few things to consider.


Even though i did apply (lol) i was using that as an example and i have a bad record anyway :)

[Pyroka]

Even though i did apply (lol) i was using that as an example and i have a bad record anyway :)

Don't worry I have a bad record too, but I managed to get a News Reporter job... somehow. It's not totally impossible, and my record is pretty recent haha.

[rnix]

Don't worry I have a bad record too, but I managed to get a News Reporter job... somehow. It's not totally impossible, and my record is pretty recent haha.

Just depends how nice management (lovely roxy) is compared to the not so nice management *no names*

But then again my general point was, if they can make a exception, then if i had a bad record but i knew how to mod and knew all the forums and everything would that get the bad behavior out the picture?

[Richie]

We're not taking anyones trial away, since the mistake was made on our part and it would be incredibly unfair and unprofessional to take this away from someone.

Thats a complete and utter lie / excuse, I got hired as habbox staff a while back & got fired hours later because 'management had made a mistake'. Don't say its different because its not. I hope your not saying general management were being unfair / unprofessional on my part :O

[Pyroka]

Just depends how nice management (lovely roxy) is compared to the not so nice management *no names*

But then again my general point was, if they can make a exception, then if i had a bad record but i knew how to mod and knew all the forums and everything would that get the bad behavior out the picture?

Depends how good your app is I guess, I mean I've only seen you postin round the forum in the past week, dunno if you got a name change or just left for a bit but wait till the next mod app round... Might be soon, I mean the last mod apps before this one was like maybe a month? Probably less than that, depends how good the people they accepted are. NaughtyNemo got accepted though and he's a total rebel without a cause lol, so exceptions are madeee :P

[Martin]

Thats a complete and utter lie / excuse, I got hired as habbox staff a while back & got fired hours later because 'management had made a mistake'. Don't say its different because its not. I hope your not saying general management were being unfair / unprofessional on my part :O

already covered in your spam thread (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=668201)

[rnix]

Depends how good your app is I guess, I mean I've only seen you postin round the forum in the past week, dunno if you got a name change or just left for a bit but wait till the next mod app round... Might be soon, I mean the last mod apps before this one was like maybe a month? Probably less than that, depends how good the people they accepted are. NaughtyNemo got accepted though and he's a total rebel without a cause lol, so exceptions are madeee :P

I have had a few name changes. But i've kinda gone off the habbox staff route as i feel the departments are ran badly :) totally different topic so :) :L

[Richie]

already covered in your spam thread (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=668201)

Not really, I replied and proved you wrong.

[xxMATTGxx]

Thats a complete and utter lie / excuse, I got hired as habbox staff a while back & got fired hours later because 'management had made a mistake'. Don't say its different because its not. I hope your not saying general management were being unfair / unprofessional on my part :O

You was different circumstances that couldn't of been avoided. Either way, thanks for the thread Ryan. It's nice to see not everyone agreed with the other thread in regards of it all being wrong and what not, it wasn't like all of the Moderators chosen was under the three months mark.

[AgnesIO]

Even though i did apply (lol) i was using that as an example and i have a bad record anyway :)

Yes - I personally thought so infractions for 4 months warranted a good record but oh well.

I agree here though Ryan. Personally I think 3 months is a bit long - considering on a NORMAL basis applications in the moderation department are open so rarely.

Well done to everyone who got in - prove the hates wrong ;)

[Nixt]

Just depends how nice management (lovely roxy) is compared to the not so nice management *no names*

Actually it depends how nice I am because it's me who vets the staff on the basis of their behavioural record.


Thats a complete and utter lie / excuse, I got hired as habbox staff a while back & got fired hours later because 'management had made a mistake'. Don't say its different because its not. I hope your not saying general management were being unfair / unprofessional on my part :O

Jin didn't want you as a member of staff. Hiring you in the first place wasn't a mistake as such - you weren't on the DNHL or anything - just the owner didn't think you were suitable. And the owner can do whatever the hell he wants.

The two situations are completely different.

[AgnesIO]

As I have said, I am sure management made the right decision. Considering I applied, if I was to choose one person out of any of the trialists to get it, it would have been Apple,??instead of moaning, why don't you go and improve your apps for next time, as by the sounds of it Apple's was better. I am sure he will hold application lessons for you jealous guys :l

[Mr-Trainor]

I really don't think this is as much as an issue as it's being made to look like. I know that the apps thread said 'at least 3 months' but management have admitted to making a mistake. I'm sure that the only reason they didn't notice is because Apple probably does have a great potential in becoming a good moderator and it is I presume because every other part of his application was of great quality and he easily met all of the other criteria that they didn't need to think twice, not realising that he hadn't been on the forum very long. Personally, I see him posted a lot around the forums, plus he's a member of the Welcome Committee and I'm sure he'll do well despite the lack of 1 month between now and his registration date.

[FlyingJesus]

Jin didn't want you as a member of staff. Hiring you in the first place wasn't a mistake as such - you weren't on the DNHL or anything - just the owner didn't think you were suitable. And the owner can do whatever the hell he wants.

Not that I care if Richie gets a staff position but I'm sure you'll agree (at least privately) that Jin doesn't always make good moves ie: Sammeth era not letting him actually do his job half the time, making sure certain females get certain jobs because they are female and will talk to him if he does, disregarding certain valid points on an "I don't like you" basis etc

Of course he's free to make whatever choices he wants because as you say he is the owner, but that doesn't mean it's always the right choice

[nvrspk4]

Not that I care if Richie gets a staff position but I'm sure you'll agree (at least privately) that Jin doesn't always make good moves ie: Sammeth era not letting him actually do his job half the time, making sure certain females get certain jobs because they are female and will talk to him if he does, disregarding certain valid points on an "I don't like you" basis etc

Of course he's free to make whatever choices he wants because as you say he is the owner, but that doesn't mean it's always the right choice

And? I must be missing your point...

(Ignoring whether or not the subsequent statements are true...please let's avoid that argument since I have no knowledge to actually defend Jin, though I happen to think that he has made excellent decisions over the course of his long tenure at Habbox.)

[Inseriousity.]

I agree with everything you said Ryan :)
Managers aren't that strict on the criteria. Dare I say it but I imagine it actually becomes an excuse if anyone suggests 'WHY DIDNT I GET THE JOB' (excluding the infractions/warnings criteria, that one's important) so the criteria is very loose and managers are allowed to make exceptions to the norm. Critics say that those under 3 months may not have applied but I imagine there were a lot of people with a join date Sept 2010, Aug 2010 because they tend to give it a go anyway and I don't see many of them in here saying "That's so unfair! I would have applied if it wasn't for that", probably because they already did.

[FlyingJesus]

And? I must be missing your point...

Not sure what further explanation such a point needs :P it's simply "x made y decision, x isn't always right therefore y may not have been a good choice"

That's not to say that he hasn't done a great job over the years, for the vast vast majority I do think he's been great, I just don't think that the owner disliking a member ought to override what a department manager feels that person can bring to the table - if that's to be the case there's no point having managers

[Johnysk8r]

I have been browsing this forum for the past hour or so and read about this guy being chosen as moderator, despite only being registered for 2 months.

One question. Why the hell is a heap of people having a cry because their application was clearly rubbish.

Can I just say something too, I registered on this forum 3 years ago, but never active. What if I were to apply as a moderator, even with my extremely low activity. Would I expect to be accepted, haha **** no. Even if I were to have an amazing application, would I expect to be accepted? **** no. Why? Because I am not active, and not useful on this forum. Who gives a **** if you've been on this forum for **** knows how long, it is based on ability and attitude.
Clearly this Apple guy has the right attitude, and isn't a complete fool.

Obviously I don't have a CLEAR understanding of what is happening, but you know, I have a little understanding and if you're complaining, you're a fool.

[Samantha]

Thats a complete and utter lie / excuse, I got hired as habbox staff a while back & got fired hours later because 'management had made a mistake'. Don't say its different because its not. I hope your not saying general management were being unfair / unprofessional on my part :O


THIS!!

I just completely realised that I got offered a Rare Values Trial as I applied and my application was to an high standard, I didn't provide a rare value report as Dan (Undertaker) knew my strengths from the past, and hours later it was taken away from me as I was on the do not hire list.
I then managed to have an extreme word with Matt Garner as I had always applied for jobs, not knowing I was on the list.
So basically, if I didn't know I was on the list, surely if they made a mistake, they could have observed me to see if I broke anymore rules, not to take the trial away as I applied and my application was strong.

So basically agree with you Richie in that respect, I know it's a completely different reason but in my opinion I feel it's quite similar, it's just taking someone's trial just because they don't meet the standards needed.
However, I did not want the trial by the time I got fired again, and was on the verge of resignation myself, so Matt Garner did me a favour in that respect.


However, I do feel Apple should have been given the trial!


Also, I applied for moderation on this current account i'm on now in May 2010, as you can see it isn't 3 months old, and I noticed that so told the manager at the time, that on my other (banned) account, I had been active for over a year. My application was by far the most pathetic excuse of an application ever, and I knew that, but I didn't know about the dnhl at the time, but as I said Apple was worthy of the trial.

[Grig]

As management I always wanted to take risks and it was my downfall at the end for arguing on a risk taking move. Risks should be made and I am in full support in this.

[nvrspk4]

Not sure what further explanation such a point needs :P it's simply "x made y decision, x isn't always right therefore y may not have been a good choice"

That's not to say that he hasn't done a great job over the years, for the vast vast majority I do think he's been great, I just don't think that the owner disliking a member ought to override what a department manager feels that person can bring to the table - if that's to be the case there's no point having managers

I guess you missed my point, anyone can make mistakes and that's well and good, the owner's judgement is still going to matter the most regardless of whether he does or doesn't make mistakes. The department manager can make their case, but the owner has the final say.

Managers are responsible to those above them - just because they can be overruled doesn't make them pointless. And the assumption is being made that it was because he "didn't like them." There was probably a specific reason that can't be disclosed. I know from my own experience that there have been many times when Managers didn't wait for staff to be fully vetted before announcing and I made them withdraw the offer because there was something unacceptable.

As far as whether or not it can be done, I think people are mistaking Bolt's opinion for Habbox Policy. From what I see from Bolt's post, its his opinion that the reversal of a trial shouldn't occur. While I don't necessarily agree, he can have that opinion and he won't initiate any reversals himself. I'm sure if General Management or the ownership saw a problem with the hiring, they will override it I'm sure, and as manager Bolt could present his case, but it would be ultimately their decision. Unless General Management is also of the same position, in which case its a change in Habbox Policy, which does happen.

[Callum.]

Biggest thing is probably how active you are. I applied a few times, but was never fully active and just did it for the sake of it, even though I had little experience. It doesn't take long to become adapted to a forum, 2 months is way more than needed so the whole "know the ins and outs" as someone complained in another thread is pretty irrelivent. Getting like 900 posts in 2 months, not including spam so probably in the thousands obviously shows activity and he seems a mature guy and will most likely pass his trial.

I do think it should have just been 'He's been accepted, final' though, without the need of these excuses which then get things like this, rightly so as well.

[Chippiewill]

In my honest opinion, two months of being on the forum with good behaviour should be treated exactly the same as two months of good behaviour after a terrible record.

[Jamesy]

In my honest opinion, two months of being on the forum with good behaviour should be treated exactly the same as two months of good behaviour after a terrible record.

Thats rather a prejudiced view. Why should they be treated the same? One user who has registered and really gotten on board in the community is no way comparable to a member who pissed about for god knows how long and then had a good streak. Although people change, it's silly to tar both with the same brush.

[Chippiewill]

Actually there was more than just one point there, just because you don't know someone's past doesn't mean you should trust them.

That person could have come from a different forum after screwing up there and wanting to improve. Why should either have different opportunities?

[Callum.]

Yeah I've always wondered about the whole good behaviour thing. Most people have mucked around at one time or other, unless they had other Habbox jobs and worked their way up. I messed around for a bit, which is probably why I didn't get hired.

People who haven't been here as long just haven't had their muck around phase yet... and it normally comes. With the whole rebel against some stupid decision and then mess around to show how cool you are then realising you put the rest of your Habbox future jobs in jepardy.

[Josh]

Totally agree! Management made a small mistake; people make mistakes.

Tbh, the people whinging about not getting accepted ends up showing the entire forum you aren't mature enough to be a forum moderator.

Also, Apple:
Join Date
28-07-2010

Trials were announced yesterday I think... does that mean that's 3 months anyway or did I fail maths?

[FlyingJesus]

The difference between 7 and 9 is 2 lol

[Josh]

Hmm.. A mistake... Can you see? Mistakes happen and you just gotta deal with them as you go along. No reason for spam to get a 9 page thread about it and numerous complaint threads to be posted.

[HotelUser]

Totally agree! Management made a small mistake; people make mistakes.

Tbh, the people whinging about not getting accepted ends up showing the entire forum you aren't mature enough to be a forum moderator.

Also, Apple:
Join Date
28-07-2010

Trials were announced yesterday I think... does that mean that's 3 months anyway or did I fail maths?

I really feel bad for poor Apple having to endure this thread about him when he hasn't done anything wrong :P

He seems like a active forum member, and when I've spoken to him he was really friendly--a decision well made in my opinion.

[Josh]

I really feel bad for poor Apple having to endure this thread about him when he hasn't done anything wrong :P

He seems like a active forum member, and when I've spoken to him he was really friendly--a decision well made in my opinion.

The argument's started to move onto management decisions and mistakes really. The storm has started to pass poor old Apple. But to be honest, if I was in his position; I would give up moderator as long as he gets it when he turns 3 (months old.)

[nvrspk4]

I agree with Callum (I think it was him) that its "Management made this decision, case closed". It's been a longstanding Habbox policy that decisions on staffing and HR issues are not up for public discussion. I think the way this thread slipped in was because the OP was supporting the decision...still it was bound to turn into a debate.

The members (and I'm not saying that as "you guys", it includes me now) get a say in what happens to the site and how it's run, but they've never been given the ability to influence who gets/loses/is promoted to a job. If you really have something pertinent to share, you can PM management with your views just to give management more information with which to make their decision. And IMO, that's how it should be.

[Jamesy]

I think nvr is perfectly right, and I've probably let this go on far longer than I should have. Ryans and others, thank you for your kind words. Those unhappy with the decision are just going to live to live with it :P

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