Now this is what I don't like

[Tintinnabulate]

Its been discussed before and it just should not be allowed.

Someone gets Assistant Manager, they resign, come back at normal staff and end up back in their Assistant job a week later.

If they resign then thats it, gone. Half of them do it and return only to show off etc or if they had a fit, but its ridiculous. They had their chance, end of. A different staff deserves a chance now or its just annoying on them. Resigning and coming back etc shows weak leadership.

[Mrs.McCall]

I understand where you're coming from but it may simply be that other staff don't have enough experience. Plus, we don't know the factors regarding their exit so it's unfair I think to bring this up.

[Mark]

I have to agree on this, In my case it isn't fair... Some people including me and another SS got our hopes up on maybe getting a promotion for nothing? :S Fair enough she has the experience but rules are rules... If your gonna make them atleast stick by them :S

[Special]

kinda hard to judge when you don't know their circumstances surrounding their resignation

[Mark]

It isn't fair when ex staff leave then want to return as their old position... They get turned down :S

[smiffy70]

although i have nothing to do with the helpdesk i agree, this is completly unfair to a selectrd few that work so hard

[Mathew]

I have to agree on this, In my case it isn't fair... Some people including me and another SS got our hopes up on maybe getting a promotion for nothing? :S Fair enough she has the experience but rules are rules... If your gonna make them atleast stick by them :S
I need to spread, but I'd +rep you for being so honest there.. seriously lol.

I do find it odd that if you wanted to rejoin as a regular / super staff you'd have to go back as a trialist and work your way up but to be honest, we don't know the inside details and it's therefore none of our business to complain.

[Mrs.McCall]

I do agree that others should be given an opportunity for management. And I do think Habbox has a culture of letting people rejoin their departments whereas I had to gain a trial and have pass it fair and square despite being Manager 2 times before.

[Apple]

At the end of the day, all it really boils down to is who's the best person for the position. Yes it may of gotten a few peoples hopes up but management will always choose the person they believe to be most suitable.

[Samantha]

I argree it's unfair.
If you want the Help Desk active and everything an Assistant should have been chosen straight away. Like I said in an earlier thread, there is no assistant event manager, does that mean Char can return to her position whenever she pleases?


Although I know Shar is right for the job, I do have to agree with many people that this is damn right unfair. When you resign you leave the role, you no longer possess the role and it should go to the next person who is fit and suitable for the job, not the same person after a few days.

This is like saying that Markypee4 got the assistant job, then shar wanted to return a few days later to her position would markypee4 have to step down? No. He wouldn't so I don't see how even though the position wasn't forfilled it shouldn't go back to the same person.

Maybe shar could have returned as super staff, and worked her way up again same as any other staff there. And she worked her way up in the first place why not again.

My post is not a dig at Shar, David or any general management. :)

[Sharon]

I don't really find it fair you can just go (then call Habbo boring....) and come back.

Lots of people deserve it (go Marky) and I can't see why this is allowed.

[Callum.]

I don't really find it fair you can just go (then call Habbo boring....) and come back.

Lots of people deserve it (go Marky) and I can't see why this is allowed.

if this was said then it's obviously going to happen again. i don't use the help desk so don't know any candidates for the position but it was obviously annoying for them.

o, and the congratz thread was removed? whyyy

[Tintinnabulate]

I resigned as a Super Mod and was on the verge of being promoted to Assistant Forum Manager. I resigned as I had a lack of time.
Two weeks later I asked sierk if I can return and the answer was simply no as it would be unfair on others but I could return as a normal Moderator if I wanted.

The same rule should still apply.

[Dean]

I think Shar suits the role of Assistant Manager well but I think someone else should've got the chance. Just an opinion.

[Mark]

Exactly my point. And Thanks Shaz and David <33

[Tintinnabulate]

Another thing proving this is that Garion said he would resign and that must have got Martins hopes up as it was obvious he would get Garions job. But Garion decided to stay before the announcement so thats different and fine, but overall Martin must have been (and I think he was) disappointed. But like I said, Garion changed his mind before it was officially announced so its a different story.

[Alkaz]

I don't know the circumstances but I think HxHD Trialist > Asst HxHD Manager in one day has got to be a record. Nothing personal against Shar but I do think this is unfair on all current members of the department as like I just said, Shar was a trialist yesterday.

[Nixt]

Another thing proving this is that Garion said he would resign and that must have got Martins hopes up as it was obvious he would get Garions job. But Garion decided to stay before the announcement so thats different and fine, but overall Martin must have been (and I think he was) disappointed. But like I said, Garion changed his mind before it was officially announced so its a different story.

But, in a different situation, I was allowed to come back as AFM after a long time inactive because they felt I was best suited to the job. What we're looking at here is ensuring the best possible people are in the positions. HxHD Staff were unhappy because David is awfully busy coding, Shar has the experience and the capability of providing high quality management so she can hit the ground running when the department needs attention quick time.

I agree, it isn't an ideal situation and I can see why people are pissed - at the same time, we need to prioritise and currently our priorities are with attempting to ensure things are running as smoothly as possible while we try and deal with the numerous other problems we are currently facing. I, personally, don't have the time to have inexperienced managers take over a struggling department because that just adds yet another problem on my ever growing pile to address. This is a bit of a crapper for those involved, granted, but they will get the opportunity - provided they are able to prove, now, that they are willing to remain dedicated to Habbox while we make difficult, radical and sometimes potentially unpopular decisions in an attempt to address the problems we are having.

[scott]

I do agree I think it's a bit silly for someone to just return that. I'm sure other people given chance would do just as good a job as Shar might,now because of this they won't be getting the chance a bit unfair really!

[Mrs.McCall]

But on the flip side of that what's the point of them working so hard if someone is going to be queue jumped to the front? I see the point about needing a manager quick time but what if she decides to stay for 6 months or a year? That means no hope of promotion for anyone else which then creates less job satisfation.

I think it is bad that someone has been promoted that quickly and I can see why it is seen as unfair.

[Callum.]

Oooo, playing the 'show you can remain dedicated to habbox' card, touché.

[Storking]

Garion has kinda summed it up.. the department isn't really doing amazingly well atm and we did need someone who would put the time and effort in and someone who knew what they were doing, and seeing as shah was assistant not so long ago, then it makes sense to hire her back.

Although I agree with everyone else, I know some SS were trying hard to get the job - especially mark! It's kinda unfair but it's happened so we might as well work on improving the department rather than complaining/quitting :-P

[Nixt]

But on the flip side of that what's the point of them working so hard if someone is going to be queue jumped to the front? I see the point about needing a manager quick time but what if she decides to stay for 6 months or a year? That means no hope of promotion for anyone else which then creates less job satisfation.

I think it is bad that someone has been promoted that quickly and I can see why it is seen as unfair.

I can see your point, but my point is that currently no member of HxHD Staff have shown the dedication or hard work that justifies a promotion. I don't want to belittle the staff, they all do a great job, but are all currently away / busy and are unable to demonstrate the dedication that the department needs at this point in time to ensure it's improvement. Thus, we are caught in between a rock and a hard place and a difficult decision had to be made.

However, I recognise (as above) that it's a bit of a crap situation for other members of staff. My problem is that currently I don't think members of staff are being given opportunities to develop or hone the skills they have to demonstrate to move up the ranks, part of this responsibility lies with their managers and I do think there have been failures across the board in regard to this. We need to ensure that management are constantly evaluating and feeding back on their staff so as to put them in a position to take the mantle should it be necessary. 'High achievers' and possible future successors should be spotted and honed as necessary.

Although I should stress that this responsibility doesn't rest solely with current management. The staff themselves, across all departments, have to first prove themselves capable.

If this happens then we can avoid situations such as this in the future.

[Tintinnabulate]

But, in a different situation, I was allowed to come back as AFM after a long time inactive because they felt I was best suited to the job. What we're looking at here is ensuring the best possible people are in the positions. HxHD Staff were unhappy because David is awfully busy coding, Shar has the experience and the capability of providing high quality management so she can hit the ground running when the department needs attention quick time.

I agree, it isn't an ideal situation and I can see why people are pissed - at the same time, we need to prioritise and currently our priorities are with attempting to ensure things are running as smoothly as possible while we try and deal with the numerous other problems we are currently facing. I, personally, don't have the time to have inexperienced managers take over a struggling department because that just adds yet another problem on my ever growing pile to address. This is a bit of a crapper for those involved, granted, but they will get the opportunity - provided they are able to prove, now, that they are willing to remain dedicated to Habbox while we make difficult, radical and sometimes potentially unpopular decisions in an attempt to address the problems we are having.

Its unfair. She wasn't a manager and gained experience. A new manager could do just as well, if not then even better...

Resigning, returning as a trialist and asking for Assistant back shows a lack of faith in the department and laziness.

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I can see your point, but my point is that currently no member of HxHD Staff have shown the dedication or hard work that justifies a promotion. I don't want to belittle the staff, they all do a great job, but are all currently away / busy and are unable to demonstrate the dedication that the department needs at this point in time to ensure it's improvement.

Well resigning and asking for it back shows a clear lack of dedication ...

[Angel-Light]

Its unfair. She wasn't a manager and gained experience. A new manager could do just as well, if not then even better...

Resigning, returning as a trialist and asking for Assistant back shows a lack of faith in the department and laziness.

If the commitment and dedication was there to start with she would have stayed in the first place and not quit.

I personally think it is unfair, whether or not the department is failing.

[Mrs.McCall]

Like Nixt said though, there's clearly issues behind the scene he can't divluge but I think we should trust the decision of General Management. It's a crappy situation but sometimes when the chips are down the tough decisions have to be made. If Shar is capable enough to help turn things around a bit then I guess it's for the best.

[Alkaz]

I'm sure all members of staff were told a while ago that if they leave the department, they would have to work their way back up through the department from a trialist. Shar was more or less given her old position back and I think if this was the same for those Super Staff who had resigned, possibly one of those could've taken the position a while ago and then when Shar wanted to return, could have returned back as a Super Staff. Having said that, you would face almost exactly the same situation as we have now of others feeling left and pushed out.

[Tintinnabulate]

This is where a different set of rules etc for different people is proven.

[Mrs.McCall]

Well I don't think it's fair for each department to have their own rule. There should be a general one. Like why should I have to go from Trialist and others not. There should be general rules for all departments.

[Tintinnabulate]

All the manager does by leaving and returning is piss off their staff and make the department worse.

[scott]

This is where a different set of rules etc for different people is proven.


Well I don't think it's fair for each department to have their own rule. There should be a general one. Like why should I have to go from Trialist and others not. There should be general rules for all departments.

Yeahhhh I agree with that :P I'm sure if I asked to return as Assistant habboxlive manager since they don't have one I would get told no. But I suppose what they think best is for the department! :)

[Callum.]

"a struggling department", so the same old management is reintroduced which were obviously not working, so maybe a breath of fresh air was needed.

[Mrs.McCall]

I'm in two minds. I agree that if it helps the department then it's for the best but I don't agree that there's one rule for one and a different rule for another. That'll just create confusion and anger and it won't be great for morale.

The one problem I have with this thread as a whole is I do think it undermines Shar's position in her team and I would like to point out that I in no way have intended to make my opinions a slight on her.

[Storking]

The department wasn't struggling when shah was assistant manager last time, it's only been struggling this week-ish (basically since she's left)


"a struggling department", so the same old management is reintroduced which were obviously not working, so maybe a breath of fresh air was needed.

[Tintinnabulate]

"a struggling department", so the same old management is reintroduced which were obviously not working, so maybe a breath of fresh air was needed.

Exactly. She had obviously lost faith or whatever, couldn't put 100% in, she resigned. Came back as a trialist. All HxSS were excited. She then returns as Assistant. HxSS are pissed off not only that they won't be promoted but will be pissed off at Shar. Dept continues to struggle or this manager would have helped it already.

[9y]

I agree. Unless theres a good reason for resigning they should not allowed to return to the same position. They must work up from the bottom again. This happened in hxl a while back. x

[Sharon]

Sorry if this doesn't make sense.

I struggle to understand how it can be said that no HxHD-SS is good enough for it ATM. If it always happened that no one was good enough for asst and old ones who resigned come back as asst then there would never be any new asst. I think plenty of staff are good for the job such as Marky (:))

I don't like how the decision was made if I'm honest. Unfair to the dedicated staff.

[gangstaagent1]

If every department was the same, Shar would have to work her way back up. Don't get me wrong as I love both Shar and David however a while back, a senior DJ at HabboxLive resigned and came back a month later (As our rule is you have to wait a month however I think it's like that throughout habbox) but the person asked for their position of senior DJ and they were declined of their position. As Scottt said above, if he were to ask for HabboxLive assistant manager he would most likely be denied of his position. However, Shar coming from a trialist to Assistant is abit extreme. I understand that she is probably the best etc, but I think it should be someone else's turn because Shar was in the position and resigned so it shows a lack of dedication. I think that one of the HxSS should of gotten it because obviously they work hard and know what they're doing or else they wouldn't be in the senior position of that department.

[Lindsey]

Alright , I'm glad this was posted. This is highly ridiculous, ; I know David will probably post saying ''i had no say in this'' ... which is a lie, anyways. SHE CAME BACK AS A TRIALIST? ; and now shes back to Manager. This is highly unfair to the people who are working hard at HxHD. : I love Shar to bits, but this is favoritism, and that is wrong.

;

Ben joined back ? , I didn't see him getting Assistant ? ...

[Mark]

Alright , I'm glad this was posted. This is highly ridiculous, ; I know David will probably post saying ''i had no say in this'' ... which is a lie, anyways. SHE CAME BACK AS A TRIALIST? ; and now shes back to Manager. This is highly unfair to the people who are working hard at HxHD. : I love Shar to bits, but this is favoritism, and that is wrong.

;

Ben joined back ? , I didn't see him getting Assistant ? ...

I have to say, My part in this is limited really, I can't explan my opinion in full due to I am part of the department this is talking about. This is very true though :S

[Tintinnabulate]

Also Garion saying that currently no HxHD staff are good enough for the job or dedicated enough is plan rude and a slap in their faces.

I am sure you would not like it if MattGarner and Jin said this publically "No don't promote Garion as he is not enough and isn't dedicated". Actually I know for a fact you would hate it after what you said to me on MSN.

If anything you owe them an apology.

[Storking]

Also Garion saying that currently no HxHD staff are good enough for the job or dedicated enough is plan rude and a slap in their faces.

I am sure you would not like it if MattGarner and Jin said this publically "No don't promote Garion as he is not enough and isn't dedicated". If anything you owe them an apology.

100% agree. There are a few staff members who might not look like management potential but they've gotta start somewhere, if they were given the chance to get experience as an assistant manager then i'm sure they would do an excellent job, but by the looks of things - it's a risk that isn't being taken.

[Mark]

100% agree. There are a few staff members who might not look like management potential but they've gotta start somewhere, if they were given the chance to get experience as an assistant manager then i'm sure they would do an excellent job, but by the looks of things - it's a risk that isn't being taken.

Agreed. How do you know people aren't up to the standard when they don't even get a moment of consideration :(

[Lindsey]

Also Garion saying that currently no HxHD staff are good enough for the job or dedicated enough is plan rude and a slap in their faces.

I am sure you would not like it if MattGarner and Jin said this publically "No don't promote Garion as he is not enough and isn't dedicated". If anything you owe them an apology.

^^ I do agree.

Garion, you have no clue how much HxHD is time consuming . ; You need to sit on Habbo , and pay attention ? You cannot say that nobody is capable to be the assistant? It isn't very hard, She quit, and rejoined ? That would be like Scotty quitting, and rejoining and getting assistant since there is no assistant, and saying that oh, James , Matt , Shanni , Sam , Lexi aren't good enough to be assistant or they don't do enough ? .. Ridiculous

[gangstaagent1]

^^ I do agree.

Garion, you have no clue how much HxHD is time consuming . ; You need to sit on Habbo , and pay attention ? You cannot say that nobody is capable to be the assistant? It isn't very hard, She quit, and rejoined ? That would be like Scotty quitting, and rejoining and getting assistant since there is no assistant, and saying that oh, James , Matt , Shanni , Sam , Lexi aren't good enough to be assistant or they don't do enough ? .. Ridiculous

Agreed, would +rep you for this however I +repped another of your posts.

[Callum.]

As much as this is one side, and rightly so, this is Habbox and things like this don't get retracted.

[Lindsey]

kso ; This is exactly like, .... When i resigned habboxlive, ; They didn't replace me for awhile , I rejoined, and I didn't get my position back. I came back as a Normal DJ. I was the most active when I was Senior, and when I rejoined I still was really active., Just cause Shar has already been Manager. Doesn't mean she should get it again, she gave up on it. Then rejoined back as a trialist, then she gets manager? , There is staff that have been in the HxHD a lot.

Like I said above, I really do love shar to bits, shes like maa twinny, (: but this is unfair on other people at hxhd.

[Tintinnabulate]

As much as this is one side, and rightly so, this is Habbox and things like this don't get retracted.

If Shar had any decency or if she truly cared about the department, she would return to being a trialist.

[Lindsey]

We've had superstaff who have been dedicated for ages, and have been here without quitting. If I'm not mistaken, Shar has quit numerous times and has still gotten back her position. I for one, think this is blatant favoritism. Which is wrong, and rude to the SS, who are working. and She can quit, and come back with the snap of her fingers, and become Assistant Manager

[,Lexiilu]

I agree. Unless theres a good reason for resigning they should not allowed to return to the same position. They must work up from the bottom again. This happened in hxl a while back. x

i recall xx




I struggle to understand how it can be said that no HxHD-SS is good enough for it ATM. If it always happened that no one was good enough for asst and old ones who resigned come back as asst then there would never be any new asst.

agree, sometimes fresh meat is needed


Also Garion saying that currently no HxHD staff are good enough for the job or dedicated enough is plan rude and a slap in their faces.

I am sure you would not like it if MattGarner and Jin said this publically "No don't promote Garion as he is not enough and isn't dedicated". Actually I know for a fact you would hate it after what you said to me on MSN.

If anything you owe them an apology.

i officially love you for this. like seriously.

Agreed. How do you know people aren't up to the standard when they don't even get a moment of consideration :(
agreeee, always the same people


^^ I do agree.

Garion, you have no clue how much HxHD is time consuming . ; You need to sit on Habbo , and pay attention ? You cannot say that nobody is capable to be the assistant? It isn't very hard, She quit, and rejoined ? That would be like Scotty quitting, and rejoining and getting assistant since there is no assistant, and saying that oh, James , Matt , Shanni , Sam , Lexi aren't good enough to be assistant or they don't do enough ? .. Ridiculous

hahahaha i love this one too. would +rep you if i could D;

i'm not going to go stick my nose in everybody's business but...yeah. can we not make exceptions every two seconds ? cool.
i love david and shar with my entire hearts but...uh, yeah.

[Richie]

It shouldn't be allowed, but what do you expect its habbox 2k10

[Tintinnabulate]

bump to see richies post

[Josh]

I didn't read the entire thread (skipped from two) so excuse me about that.

Not only is this promotion unfair on super staff, it's unfair on ALL the other staff that want to return. =Lizzie resigned as Super Staff and I think she's still a trialist when she wanted to come back. However, I think it SHOULD have been done (backflip lol)... there are no good superstaff that are ready to take up leadership positions and that's the harsh truth.

[Lindsey]

I didn't read the entire thread (skipped from two) so excuse me about that.

Not only is this promotion unfair on super staff, it's unfair on ALL the other staff that want to return. =Lizzie resigned as Super Staff and I think she's still a trialist when she wanted to come back. However, I think it SHOULD have been done (backflip lol)... there are no good superstaff that are ready to take up leadership positions and that's the harsh truth.

What side are you on ? . This post made no sense? You first said that its unfair then you said its good she got manager?

[Richie]

What side are you on ? . This post made no sense? You first said that its unfair then you said its good she got manager?

He could've meant no-one deserved assistant

[Alkaz]

He said as well that =Lizzie wanted to return as Super Staff. Perhaps if people didn't have to return as trialists there could have been more people in the role of Super Staff who could've taken the position on.

[Lindsey]

He could've meant no-one deserved assistant

Maybeee, im not really sure, i was sorta confused about this part :

However, I think it SHOULD have been done (backflip lol)...

[Josh]

I said it was unfair to the super staff and also other staff who are now trialists after resigning as super staff...

But I think THIS UNFAIR MOVE SHOULD have been done.

just woke up

Edit: Good that she got manager BECAUSE the superstaff are currently not ready for the challege.

[ChickenFaces]

I'm actually suprised there hasn't been a slew of resignation threads already.

This is, as Saurav said, a slap in the face to me. And it should be to any other super staff. I have been at HxHD for six months straight. I haven't quit. Sure, there's been times where I wanted to quit, but I didn't. I'm actually amazed that my dedication to this department doesn't seem to matter. Sure, school has taken a toll on quite a lot of us, but that doesn't give anybody any reason to say that anyone is less dedicated or less deserving of a promotion at this time, especially people that have nothing to do with this department. I'm upset with this decision, however I don't think that my opinion is going to matter or sway the decision either way. I just thought that my opinion should be known.

[Tintinnabulate]

its an assistant job and the only way they can get experience to be a future manager.

[Lindsey]

its an assistant job and the only way they can get experience to be a future manager.

Exactly, you have to start somewhere.

[gangstaagent1]

I do think that there was alot of deserving people that got beat out by someone that was a trialist yesterday which obviously isn't right..

[Lindsey]

I do think that there was alot of deserving people that got beat out by someone that was a trialist yesterday which obviously isn't right..

Oh no, but Garion said he doesn't have enough time to help someone with no experience.

[gangstaagent1]

Oh no, but Garion said he doesn't have enough time to help someone with no experience.

If their senior staff in the department they are experiences unless there's questioning in the promotions.. 8-)

[Alkaz]

Oh no, but Garion said he doesn't have enough time to help someone with no experience.
When I became Assistant HxHD Manager I had no experience. I relied on the department manager who wasn't a great help and help from members of general management who I would suspect would've been Roxy916 helping out the new Assistant HxHD Manager along with HotelUser. But still, what is done is done. We should just hope and congratulate that with Shar as Assistant HxHD Manager once again that this ''troubled department'' rises from the ashes.

[gangstaagent1]

When I became Assistant HxHD Manager I had no experience. I relied on the department manager who wasn't a great help and help from members of general management who I would suspect would've been Roxy916 helping out the new Assistant HxHD Manager along with HotelUser. But still, what is done is done. We should just hope and congratulate that with Shar as Assistant HxHD Manager once again that this ''troubled department'' rises from the ashes.

so what you're saying is that this decision wasn't a question of experience because you went in without experience..

[Alkaz]

I had almost a years worth of experience before becoming Asst HxHD Manager. What I mean is I had no experience of being a department manager. It isn't something you just pick up from being staff, you have to learn about being a manager when you're actually in the position. You learn about it by being guided by others around you and those who have been in your shoes before.

I understood Lindsey's comment to mean Garion doesn't have time to help anyone else as Assistant HxHD Manager which is why Shar, someone who had previously been in the position had been re-hired. That is why I made that comment, being a manager is something you learn, you're not born with the know how.

[gangstaagent1]

I had almost a years worth of experience before becoming Asst HxHD Manager. What I mean is I had no experience of being a department manager. It isn't something you just pick up from being staff, you have to learn about being a manager when you're actually in the position. You learn about it by being guided by others around you and those who have been in your shoes before.

I understood Lindsey's comment to mean Garion doesn't have time to help anyone else as Assistant HxHD Manager which is why Shar, someone who had previously been in the position had been re-hired. That is why I made that comment, being a manager is something you learn, you're not born with the know how.

exactly what you're saying. Garion can't expect to have someone that looks like good management because they have never been put into the position; so he brought back Shar. Thats a risky move to be fair because it gets so many people mad and people might resign because of the unfair decision.

[Lindsey]

When I became Assistant HxHD Manager I had no experience. I relied on the department manager who wasn't a great help and help from members of general management who I would suspect would've been Roxy916 helping out the new Assistant HxHD Manager along with HotelUser. But still, what is done is done. We should just hope and congratulate that with Shar as Assistant HxHD Manager once again that this ''troubled department'' rises from the ashes.



I agree, it isn't an ideal situation and I can see why people are pissed - at the same time, we need to prioritise and currently our priorities are with attempting to ensure things are running as smoothly as possible while we try and deal with the numerous other problems we are currently facing. I, personally, don't have the time to have inexperienced managers take over a struggling department because that just adds yet another problem on my ever growing pile to address. This is a bit of a crapper for those involved, granted, but they will get the opportunity - provided they are able to prove, now, that they are willing to remain dedicated to Habbox while we make difficult, radical and sometimes potentially unpopular decisions in an attempt to address the problems we are having.

That is the post i was getting at,

[JerseySafety]

I do sort of agree that she just left, but yet none of us know the situation as to why Shar resigned do we?

I'm just going to move on and give Shar a break, because I know she's been having a hard time.


Congratulations Shar and good luck on your new role :)

[Grig]

To be fair if it was someone amazing then sure go ahead bring them back, but she didn't exactly revolutionize HxHD all she did was sit laugh at a few people, quit, come back and smack bang she's management. In Garion's case I would agree because he was amazing and what he did so they brought him back and kudos on them. But yeh, this is one of many silly decisions being made recently.

Also, to people that say it's risky, it's not a 'risk' because you're not getting anyone who is out there, it's just silly. Don't have anything against Shar herself, just such a move doesn't seem justified as such.

[Tintinnabulate]

The manager will help and instruct the assistant, you don't need Garion to help them =S The manager tells the assistant what to do etc and slowly the Assistant realises what the managerial position involves. Omg Jamesy had no experience as manager, quick, bring back Professor-Alex as Garion obviously has no time.

Pathetic.

[Agnostic Bear]

Well this is just a prime example of what Habbox has become. People who resign should stay resigned for a decent period of time.

Maybe after enough nagging they'll listen. A whole lot of nagging will be needed though.

[Samantha]

Wow, this thread grew whilst I came off of the laptop last night.
Linking back to a past post, if Shar honestly cared and was dedicated in the department, she would know that it is unfair, and I feel she should backtrack down to SS or Normal staff.

The Help Desk should have a period of time when you are allowed to return, just like HxL is one month. It should be the same for all departments.

I really find it unfair, and I also wondered why Ben didn't come back as assistant before Shar was chosen. He had to regain his position by starting back as normal staff.
Same with Scotty, he resigned about a month later, if he stuck it out that month he may have Assistant, however, he is in full steed of Gemma getting it. But - what if he wanted to return as assistant now, don't you think you would HAVE to let him be it. It should be fair in all departments.
And from where I could see last time, HxL was also a STRUGGLING department.

You will not demote Shar, but you should. This is like the whole Apple incident again, saying he wasn't capable you gave Apple a CHANCE so give Marky or any other Super Staff a chance.

Saying they aren't dedicated, what a load of crap. If they weren't dedicated, they wouldn't be Super Staff.
Let's say this thread didn't exist, as Shar didn't return, and the Management position wasn't filled. Who would get the job. David has coding to think about and Shar wasn't there.
You would HAVE to pick an Assistant wouldn't you? In this struggling time.

So yes, you can say Shar was dedicated but it doesn't mean you can bend the rules for her. It means you have to bend the rules for Scotty, and Char if she wants to return.

If you do this are you saying BritishTea, Robald or Mrs.Mccall can return as Assistant news manager if they wish to? No you're not so why does Shar get the position back.

It shouldn't matter if you have resigned one week ago, one month ago, one year ago. The same rule should still be applicable in ANY situation.

No offence, but I hate fansites like that. It has made me lose a bit of faith in Habbox. I'll say that from my heart, it really has.

I'm going to link back to Mr-trainor's site once again, as it's where I gained my experience.

I was event and competitions manager at the time as it was merged. When they separated I was given Agm (Community). Anyway, lets skip to where I resigned as event Manager, I got offered the job at HabboForum and took it, but resigned within seven hours.
I already saw Luke was looking for a manager, and I asked if I could hav my old position back. He said I could. The reason I think this is a different situation is because, I had no staff at the time. There were approximately three staff who were all either away, cba, or banned from Habbo. So I attempted in the end to try get some events done.
I then needed an assistant, in the past, I didn't agree with an GM's decision of making Mathew the assistant there, without my consent, but in the end I had to. He resigned. I then Had JackTard and vTrain but they didn't work as well as they should. But they were gaining experience!!!
You HAVE to be in the role at some stage to gain experience.
I was a rubbish event manager, and yes I admit defeat. But that's because Mr-trainor and Ajthedragon didn't help me. And the event department struggled, but we got a few hundred members, and I ran a good team for a while so I'm proud.

So basically I am saying, it doesn't matter about experience, it's just if you have the dedication to learn.

[Mark]

exactly what you're saying. Garion can't expect to have someone that looks like good management because they have never been put into the position; so he brought back Shar. Thats a risky move to be fair because it gets so many people mad and people might resign because of the unfair decision.

So far in this thread I have tried to keep my opinion to myself, but this is a valid point.

[Samantha]

So far in this thread I have tried to keep my opinion to myself, but this is a valid point.

So basically, it was a struggling department before, going to stay same if loads resign.

[flatface]

I agree with what everyone has posted, it is really unfair blahblah. To the posts that say "no one was fit for the role" or "we don't have time to train up a new assistant", I think that's rubbish really lol, it's not rocket science, once you see the managers forum it's pretty much self explanatory. Of course you may have some questions to ask which is fine, but everything else is very straight forward, I would say.

[Mark]

So basically, it was a struggling department before, going to stay same if loads resign.

I wouldn't say it was a struggling department, I'd say it needed an assistant (as most departments do)... I'll stop there lol. As far as resignations are concerned that is beyond me, it depends on how people feel on the situation. Which means its up to them to tell you not me lol

[Alex3213]

I agree with what everyone has posted, it is really unfair blahblah. To the posts that say "no one was fit for the role" or "we don't have time to train up a new assistant", I think that's rubbish really lol, it's not rocket science, once you see the managers forum it's pretty much self explanatory. Of course you may have some questions to ask which is fine, but everything else is very straight forward, I would say.

I'm not gonna comment with my opinion on the matter because I think we'll be fine either way but I agree with you, especially as there is a Manager. When I became Senior Competitions Staff in January (well, late December) I pretty much learnt immediately because Mike taught me. Mike explained the procedures, Mike explained what exactly I had to do and things like that. My role didn't really change when I got Asst. Manager in May so I'm not gonna comment on that but I think that anyone can do it, they just need a bit of help! Dave's there and I think anyone can do it. As I said, I won't be mentioning what I think is best for the department as I think anything is suitable.

[Tintinnabulate]

I'm not gonna comment with my opinion on the matter because I think we'll be fine either way but I agree with you, especially as there is a Manager. When I became Senior Competitions Staff in January (well, late December) I pretty much learnt immediately because Mike taught me. Mike explained the procedures, Mike explained what exactly I had to do and things like that. My role didn't really change when I got Asst. Manager in May so I'm not gonna comment on that but I think that anyone can do it, they just need a bit of help! Dave's there and I think anyone can do it. As I said, I won't be mentioning what I think is best for the department as I think anything is suitable.

Like I said, Jamesy had no experience and the forum is struggling, so by Garions way of thinking, an ex-FM should have got the job.

Oh no wait, different set of rules for everyone.

[Agnostic Bear]

Like I said, Jamesy had no experience and the forum is struggling, so by Garions way of thinking, an ex-FM should have got the job.

Oh no wait, different set of rules for everyone.

I don't understand how you're able to keep track of what rules apply to who and when, it's all a very big jumble, sometimes I think they just make it up as they go!

(On a side note, I've sent you over a PM, you must read it or annihilation shall occur)

[Grig]

This shows the state Habbox is in and no I do not come to these threads to take the mick out of Habbox all the time because I've been here for many years and I do still care. I'd think Shar didn't make HxHD the most popular room on Habbo and exactly, why not get Ben, Hayley or Scott back in this position as I saw that they achieved more and all have had experience + are still pretty active. It's quite silly, at least pretend you care by giving her super staff first, but she is simply a mere trialist- and by no accounts is the best.

[AgnesIO]

I can see your point, but my point is that currently no member of HxHD Staff have shown the dedication or hard work that justifies a promotion. I don't want to belittle the staff, they all do a great job, but are all currently away / busy and are unable to demonstrate the dedication that the department needs at this point in time to ensure it's improvement. Thus, we are caught in between a rock and a hard place and a difficult decision had to be made.

However, I recognise (as above) that it's a bit of a crap situation for other members of staff. My problem is that currently I don't think members of staff are being given opportunities to develop or hone the skills they have to demonstrate to move up the ranks, part of this responsibility lies with their managers and I do think there have been failures across the board in regard to this. We need to ensure that management are constantly evaluating and feeding back on their staff so as to put them in a position to take the mantle should it be necessary. 'High achievers' and possible future successors should be spotted and honed as necessary.

Although I should stress that this responsibility doesn't rest solely with current management. The staff themselves, across all departments, have to first prove themselves capable.

If this happens then we can avoid situations such as this in the future.

That is one hell of a big insult to HxHD Super Staff. How the hell can you say 'they are unable to prove they are dedicated' - and then go and hire someone who RESIGNED. If you resign, that is hardly 'dedicated'?

Considering as HxHD staff you are supposed to be in the room for TEN hours a week.. if that's not dedicated I don't know what is. You normally have totally sensible posts - but that?

[Tintinnabulate]

That is one hell of a big insult to HxHD Super Staff. How the hell can you say 'they are unable to prove they are dedicated' - and then go and hire someone who RESIGNED. If you resign, that is hardly 'dedicated'?

Considering as HxHD staff you are supposed to be in the room for TEN hours a week.. if that's not dedicated I don't know what is. You normally have totally sensible posts - but that?

It seems to be his habit lately which is unfortunate. i.e. removing me from WC for saying it should be closed. Then actually closing it the very next day. Atleast he apologised via PM though...

[Nixt]

Also Garion saying that currently no HxHD staff are good enough for the job or dedicated enough is plan rude and a slap in their faces.

I am sure you would not like it if MattGarner and Jin said this publically "No don't promote Garion as he is not enough and isn't dedicated". Actually I know for a fact you would hate it after what you said to me on MSN.

If anything you owe them an apology.


Oh no, but Garion said he doesn't have enough time to help someone with no experience.

Okay for a start let me say I am sorry that I have across this way because that wasn't my intention at all. It was terribly late and I clearly wasn't wording my posts clearly. I never once said none of them were good enough, what I was trying to say is this:

Habbox is well and truly up creek number 2 without a paddle or even a boat at this point in time. I'm not just talking about HxHD, I am talking about most departments here and Habbox as a whole. Currently, and it is something that have been highlighted over and over to them in the private forums and in feedback threads, a significant proportion of the HxHD Staff are currently busy and are unable to offer the time required of them as normal / super staff - because of things such as school and so forth. Completely not their fault, and I do not think any less of them or doubt their ability because of it. When I said "dedication", this is what I was trying to say. It was just awfully worded.

We were posed with this situation - HxHD in dire need of an assistant, the current staff terribly busy with a variety of issues. Shar had earlier decided to return as a trialist, because she made a mistake in resigning and she realised she did have the time. Faced with a difficult decision, it was considered best that we get in an experienced manager from the start. Someone who we knew could fall straight into it and start addressing the problems immediately.

When I said I had no time, well that was just outright wrong of me. Worded completely wrongly again and I profusely apologise to any offence caused to anyone. It's not a case of anyone being incapable, I suppose the decision was taken because it was the easy, less risky option when compared with promotion someone without the experience. Sometimes though risks need to be taken, and I think it's about time both myself and others stop resting on Habbox's laurels and start making the risky decisions that are needed now before it is too late.

In retrospect, it was an unfair decision and maybe we should have taken the risk (although I don't mean that Shar isn't capable). Ultimately though it's not my responsibility to appoint or remove Managers, I'm just trying to explain the reasoning behind the whole situation here (albeit poorly at first).

Shar and I have spoken this morning and she has taken the decision in light of this feedback to resign from the position and she feels that she has been undermined by her department which does make it impossible to manage the department effectively. Definitely in my opinion unfortunate but it certainly does resolve this situation - so thread closed. She really doesn't need any more posts making her feel like crap.

I am sure we will now learn from this and begin to take risks when appointing managers in order to ensure that everyone is given a fair and equal opportunity and, furthermore, I have always been a great believer that sometimes new, fresh management is what a department needs to reinvigorate it. Hopefully HxHD will be given the opportunity for this to happen now.

Oh and to add @ Milestone, my point was that very few HxHD Staff are currently meeting the ten hour target. Most are nearing four.

[Tintinnabulate]

no member of HxHD Staff have shown the dedication or hard work that justifies a promotion

That is simply rude and you would not appreciate it if Jin or Matt said it about you. Actually you have been pissed off before when some members have said it. What you owe them is a clear and simple apology without any excuses.

Also if David lacks the time to run HxHD maybe he should also step down after the new assistant is trained.

I wanted to reply as it was quite unfair locking it thus stopping replies. But hey I will probs get a infraction if I leave it open, so thread locked.

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