Do you consider yourself to be a class?

[AgnesIO]

Just wondering how many people on here consider themselves to be of a certain class.

EG. Upper Class, Middle Class, Lower Class

Personally I would say I am Middle Class - my parents salary is pretty good - not completely sure how you work it out.

But yeh, what do you consider yourself to be?

[Suspective]

I'd regard myself as middle class.

[matt$]

Middle class, my dad is an architect but my mum does **** all thts y we arent upper class and if i was i wudnt be on hxf id be reading a book.

[Jamesy]

I guess middle class. I don't really think of it like that anyway :P

[Conservative,]

Middle Class, no doubt about it tbh. My dad has a fairly well paid job in the city, my mum is a music & skiing teacher, we have a nice house and a comfortable house. If I was upper class I'd have a PS3 and go to the local private school, or maybe Eton. Lol.

[Special]

middle class

[AgnesIO]

Middle Class, no doubt about it tbh. My dad has a fairly well paid job in the city, my mum is a music & skiing teacher, we have a nice house and a comfortable house. If I was upper class I'd have a PS3 and go to the local private school, or maybe Eton. Lol.

My friend went to Eton up until last year (now in Year 12). £13,500 rings a bell :P


I guess middle class. I don't really think of it like that anyway :P

Don't get me wrong, I don't tend to go around saying 'Yeah I am upper class' just thought it would be interesting to see what people would class themselves as.

[Rozi]

Middle class too

[Jordan]

sameee, middle class :D

[Moh]

I don't think everybody here is Middle class haha. Middle class in England is where you go to a private school, own a very large house and the parents are high within a company - which is classed as upper in most countries.

We're all classed as working class in England. But middle everywhere else :P

[buttons]

oh lawd i laugh at the people who say they're middle class
chances are you not, no matter how much money your parents make
it's like you're embarrased to be working class but not all of us are lazy, fat slobs who do **** all.

anyway all my fam are working class and i am fabulous so whatever haters

[AgnesIO]

oh lawd i laugh at the people who say they're middle class
chances are you not, no matter how much money your parents make
it's like you're embarrased to be working class but not all of us are lazy, fat slobs who do **** all.

anyway all my fam are working class and i am fabulous so whatever haters

I think it depends what people think of middle, working and upper class. What would you class each as?

[Sharon]

oh lawd i laugh at the people who say they're middle class
chances are you not, no matter how much money your parents make
it's like you're embarrased to be working class but not all of us are lazy, fat slobs who do **** all.

anyway all my fam are working class and i am fabulous so whatever haters

i love you! unnie and dongseng :)

middle class..

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't see myself as a class, but i'd say we fit into the middle class band (perceptions of that vary, but around about there).

[Apple]

If you have a fair sized detached house in a nice area, prestige car such as a Merc/Jag/BMW then you can be pretty certain that you are middle class. If you don't have that then chances are you are working class, unless you have a big income but still live in a smaller house and have a cheap car which is unlikely.

[Conservative,]

If you have a fair sized detached house in a nice area, prestige car such as a Merc/Jag/BMW then you can be pretty certain that you are middle class. If you don't have that then chances are you are working class, unless you have a big income but still live in a smaller house and have a cheap car which is unlikely.

Depends where you live. A detached house in London is about £800,000+ and that's upper class IMO. I would class myself as middle class because my parents earn a decent wage we have a nice house a nice car and if we lived out of London all our stuff would be bigger.

[buttons]

I think it depends what people think of middle, working and upper class. What would you class each as?
eh? you don't just decide by yourself what 'class' is. to me, there's the bourgeoisie and the rest of us are working class but for arguments sake:
working class: people who actually work for average/below average wage (lets be honest NOBODY except upper class get their real wages paid, everyone's exploited)
middle class: private school, parents who own a company. politicians/lawyers/maybe some top doctors
upper class: mostly people born in to it, power over the country or w/e, dont even necessarily need a job....

i love you! unnie and dongseng :)

middle class..
lolllll bb i am not worthy of u





If you have a fair sized detached house in a nice area, prestige car such as a Merc/Jag/BMW then you can be pretty certain that you are middle class. If you don't have that then chances are you are working class, unless you have a big income but still live in a smaller house and have a cheap car which is unlikely.

Depends where you live. A detached house in London is about £800,000+ and that's upper class IMO. I would class myself as middle class because my parents earn a decent wage we have a nice house a nice car and if we lived out of London all our stuff would be bigger.
omg what is this i can't even..... NO

[Apple]

Depends where you live. A detached house in London is about £800,000+ and that's upper class IMO. I would class myself as middle class because my parents earn a decent wage we have a nice house a nice car and if we lived out of London all our stuff would be bigger.

Everything is generally more expensive in London which explains why you will earn more in london for a similar job up north. So you can't really say "I'd be middle class if I moved away from london" because if you did, your salary would drop.

Buttons, what do you mean? :P

[Conservative,]

Everything is generally more expensive in London which explains why you will earn more in london for a similar job up north. So you can't really say "I'd be middle class if I moved away from london" because if you did, your salary would drop.

Buttons, what do you mean? :P

I think some of ur evaluations are quite poor. My dad earns A fair bit above average but I don't go to private school and he's not a lawyer or anything. He's a high up manager.

IMO this is it:
Lower: minimum wage/benefits, council housing, old car ect.
Working: factory worker/lower paid city worker, small house/flat
Middle: average (£40,000) to 80-90,000, semi or detached house, nice car, lower manager/small successful business owner
Upper: high paid job (lawyer, politician, banker, successful entrepreneur), big house, £100,000+ expensive car, private school

[flatface]

I don't think everybody here is Middle class haha. Middle class in England is where you go to a private school, own a very large house and the parents are high within a company - which is classed as upper in most countries.

We're all classed as working class in England. But middle everywhere else :P

No it isn't lol. Middle class in England is where you go to a grammar school, very rarely will a middle class child go to a independent/public school. Jobs such as nurses, teachers, computing, lower manager, small business owner etc are professional and skilled professions which are sometimes seen to be quite scarce within our society make up the middle class jobs. Being a high manager (e.g. managing director) of a successful medium/large company would be classed as upper class in our society.

[RedStratocas]

Middle class, my dad is an architect but my mum does **** all thts y we arent upper class and if i was i wudnt be on hxf id be reading a book.

im confused. why would you be reading a book if you were upper class as opposed to middle? books are cheap entertainment for poor people, eh? wouldnt you be watching your in-home movie theater if you were upper class?

[Apple]

I think some of ur evaluations are quite poor. My dad earns A fair bit above average but I don't go to private school and he's not a lawyer or anything. He's a high up manager.

IMO this is it:
Lower: minimum wage/benefits, council housing, old car ect.
Working: factory worker/lower paid city worker, small house/flat
Middle: average (£40,000) to 80-90,000, semi or detached house, nice car, lower manager/small successful business owner
Upper: high paid job (lawyer, politician, banker, successful entrepreneur), big house, £100,000+ expensive car, private school

Kind of agree with that but not so sure in saying a family that has a joint salary of 40k is middle class.

[Inseriousity.]

Working class, no doubt about it.
Like jen said, we're not all fat lazy slobs! :D Well, I'm a skinny lazy slob but that's not the point.

[flatface]

im confused. why would you be reading a book if you were upper class as opposed to middle? books are cheap entertainment for poor people, eh? wouldnt you be watching your in-home movie theater if you were upper class?

A Middle class person maybe seen as more intellectual and therefore able to absorb themselves into a book opposed to a poor working class person who can't read very well as they've had a bad education. Very generalised and stereotypical but that's most probably how a sociologist would answer your question :P

[Mathew]

If you have a fair sized detached house in a nice area, prestige car such as a Merc/Jag/BMW then you can be pretty certain that you are middle class. If you don't have that then chances are you are working class, unless you have a big income but still live in a smaller house and have a cheap car which is unlikely.


No it isn't lol. Middle class in England is where you go to a grammar school, very rarely will a middle class child go to a independent/public school. Jobs such as nurses, teachers, computing, lower manager, small business owner etc are professional and skilled professions which are sometimes seen to be quite scarce within our society make up the middle class jobs. Being a high manager (e.g. managing director) of a successful medium/large company would be classed as upper class in our society.
According to you two, then I must be middle class. Detached house, BMW and I go to a Grammar School. My Mum works as a SENCO Officer and my Dad is in a profession. Yet according to Jen, we'd be considered working class, just like majority of everyone here. There are so many differing opinions and guidelines as to how one should decide their "class" - what happens when you only fit certain criteria?

My personal opinion is that of Jens. If your parents work, you're working class. These days, the Middle Class is a misted area in the middle of the two extremes; probably a class thought up by a teenager who didn't want to be considered poor by labelling themself as working.. :rolleyes:

It's a really odd situation and I'm not a fan of the class system myself. Jen has raised some good points about the working class being exploited by the ruling class (exactly what we were discussing in Sociology a couple of days ago!). Oh wow, I sound so Marxist.

[Sharon]

I'd say I'm middle class and I go to a public school :S It was my personal choice.

Why is everyone being stereo typical about this :S My friend goes to my school and shes like proper $$$$$$$$$$ aswell. I didn't even realise till I went to her house.

[Mathew]

I'd say I'm middle class and I go to a public school :S It was my personal choice.

Why is everyone being stereo typical about this :S My friend goes to my school and shes like proper $$$$$$$$$$ aswell. I didn't even realise till I went to her house.
That's the cruel truth about society - stereotypes form the base for our morals, opinions and overall outlook on life in general.

[flatface]

According to you two, then I must be middle class. Detached house, BMW and I go to a Grammar School. My Mum works as a SENCO Officer and my Dad is in a profession. Yet according to Jen, we'd be considered working class, just like majority of everyone here. There are so many differing opinions and guidelines as to how one should decide their "class" - what happens when you only fit certain criteria?

My personal opinion is that of Jens. If your parents work, you're working class. These days, the Middle Class is a misted area in the middle of the two extremes; probably a class thought up by a teenager who didn't want to be considered poor by labelling themself as working.. :rolleyes:

It's a really odd situation and I'm not a fan of the class system myself. Jen has raised some good points about the working class being exploited by the ruling class (exactly what we were discussing in Sociology a couple of days ago!). Oh wow, I sound so Marxist.

Well yourself and Jen seem to have a Marxist and negitive type view on the classing system, Jen clearly supports the idea of the Bourgeoisie and the Proletariats were the middle class oppress the working class etc which in some instances I do agree with, but like you said there are other theories and explanations so I agree with you that everyone has different views on the criteria for the classing system.

[Mathew]

Well yourself and Jen seem to have a Marxist and negitive type view on the classing system, Jen clearly supports the idea of the Bourgeoisie and the Proletariats were the middle class oppress the working class etc which in some instances I do agree with, but like you said there are other theories and explanations so I agree with you that everyone has different views on the criteria for the classing system.
Negative view, or just aware of exploitation and false consciousness?

Same thing happens in the media where the "Middle classes" are addressed - it's interesting how people know whether it will apply to them or not. People need to form their own opinions on society and stray away from the sterotypes and generic opinions that so many people seem to follow.

[RedStratocas]

A Middle class person maybe seen as more intellectual and therefore able to absorb themselves into a book opposed to a poor working class person who can't read very well as they've had a bad education. Very generalised and stereotypical but that's most probably how a sociologist would answer your question :P

well even if that were true, he was differentiating between middle class and upper class, not middle class and lower class. obviously lower class would be stereotypically less educated, but im sure it's about even for upper class and middle class, seeing as how many rich people are mostly rich because they have had a fair bit of luck or are simply smart at a very specific aspect of their lives that they can translate to profit, but arent really smarter overall. the way i see it, you would be LESS likely to read if you were upper class since you would have much less desire to, since you could be doing anything else with your time and hordes of money. i just dont really get it, there's nothing stopping you from reading a book no matter what class you are, why would you be more likely to read if you have more options to do absolutely anything else?

[flatface]

Negative view, or just aware of exploitation and false consciousness?

Same thing happens in the media where the "Middle classes" are addressed - it's interesting how people know whether it will apply to them or not. People need to form their own opinions on society and stray away from the sterotypes and generic opinions that so many people seem to follow.

In terms of Sociology the whole working class exploitation/oppression and false consciousness is a theory produced by Marx which is a negative view on the classing system opposed to functionalism.

[Richie]

yep im class


na but rlly im not too sure never rlly thought about it

[Pyroka]

I consider myself class.

Just class. I guess only the northern lot will get that, I dont think the southern scum say that.

EDIT: what the hell i posted after richie and he said the exact same thing

scammer

[Inseriousity.]

Oh wow, I sound so Marxist.

lol Welcome to Sociology
Shall we start the revolution ;)

[flatface]

well even if that were true, he was differentiating between middle class and upper class, not middle class and lower class. obviously lower class would be stereotypically less educated, but im sure it's about even for upper class and middle class, seeing as how many rich people are mostly rich because they have had a fair bit of luck or are simply smart at a very specific aspect of their lives that they can translate to profit, but arent really smarter overall. the way i see it, you would be LESS likely to read if you were upper class since you would have much less desire to, since you could be doing anything else with your time and hordes of money. i just dont really get it, there's nothing stopping you from reading a book no matter what class you are, why would you be more likely to read if you have more options to do absolutely anything else?

Ah I misread the post slightly, but it opens up the debate on early childhood experiences and imitation of primary role models (such as parents). My opinion is that it's an everlasting loop, female child watches mother reading therefore deciding that's the correct thing to do and takes up reading herself and so on.

[Mathew]

In terms of Sociology the whole working class exploitation/oppression and false consciousness is a theory produced by Marx which is a negative view on the classing system opposed to functionalism.
Ah, opposed to the nice and colourful world of functionalism, then yes, it is negative :P


lol Welcome to Sociology
Shall we start the revolution ;)
Haha. I'm really enjoying it; I wasn't sure whether I would at first but it makes you look at things in a different way.
Yes ;)

[Caution]

I think some of ur evaluations are quite poor. My dad earns A fair bit above average but I don't go to private school and he's not a lawyer or anything. He's a high up manager.

IMO this is it:
Lower: minimum wage/benefits, council housing, old car ect.
Working: factory worker/lower paid city worker, small house/flat
Middle: average (£40,000) to 80-90,000, semi or detached house, nice car, lower manager/small successful business owner
Upper: high paid job (lawyer, politician, banker, successful entrepreneur), big house, £100,000+ expensive car, private school
Oh god, you sound so stuck up from that.
The chart on this (http://www.businessballs.com/demographicsclassifications.htm) website is the most accurate definition. I'm working class - one of my parents is C1 and the other is C2.

[Jordy]

lol some of you have some messed up views when it comes to classes. There was a similar debate when I created the thread about a year ago.

Working class is basically parents who are unskilled, low income or living off the state. Upper class is aristocracy and very few people are upper class as a result.

Therefore the vast majority of us are Middle Class, which is about right actually.

[AgnesIO]

According to you two, then I must be middle class. Detached house, BMW and I go to a Grammar School. My Mum works as a SENCO Officer and my Dad is in a profession. Yet according to Jen, we'd be considered working class, just like majority of everyone here. There are so many differing opinions and guidelines as to how one should decide their "class" - what happens when you only fit certain criteria?

My personal opinion is that of Jens. If your parents work, you're working class. These days, the Middle Class is a misted area in the middle of the two extremes; probably a class thought up by a teenager who didn't want to be considered poor by labelling themself as working.. :rolleyes:


I hope that last comment wasn't aimed at me?

Just because your parents work doesn't mean you are working class. Bill Gates works - does that make him working class? Some of my friends could probably be considered "upper class" but I wouldn't say I am at all. But I know my parents also earn a fair bit more than the majority of my friends parents (putting jobs in to perspective etcetera). Hence why I would class myself as middle class.

[buttons]

living off the state
they're not working class then? that'd be underclass. the system is different everywhere though. my mum is a nurse, teaching assistant and history teacher, she works as a home carer now though. my dad gets paid **** loads for cleaning rooms on the oilrigs. my mum is skilled, my dad isn't - he earns more. according to you, i'd be middle class? lol ok no. they work for other people like most people do = working class:S


it's not just about your job/education.. that's why most people who are UPPER class are born in to the titles - they don't earn them. house of commons and all that ****. upper class still rule us no matter how we look at it, we are just their puppets.


anyway i'm tired, probably make no sense, no-one is right/wrong and being middle/working class makes no difference. you can be working class and have plenty money.
we are still inferior and have no control over the upper class. that's why i am going to marry kim il jongs son


ps lol functionalism and marxism (although yeah i agree with marxism mostly) are old, unbalanced and only ever focused on white men (in b4 sexist jokes), times have changed no1curr


omg @above can't believe you used bill gates as an example, he once said he was working class but that was him trying to be all modest but failing

[Apple]

If the class system works on the title of your job as opposed to the salary of your job, would that mean being self employed (e.g owning a business) makes you middle class even if you are making hardly any profit?

[buttons]

oh you'll make profit
most business do because they leech off their employees.
anyway, probably not. class system is stupid, it's based on a lot of things apparently but the labels mean literally nothing. to me, we're all working class but some are just better off. THEN there's the whole 1% that own most of our wealth.

[Apple]

oh you'll make profit
most business do because they leech off their employees.
anyway, probably not. class system is stupid, it's based on a lot of things apparently but the labels mean literally nothing. to me, we're all working class but some are just better off. THEN there's the whole 1% that own most of our wealth.

I really don't get this class system, it's as if everyone has their own opinion about what makes you what class and there are actually no real guidelines.

So for example, say if you had a small business that made around 250k net profit per year (quarter of a million obvs) and you owned it so you are the manager or w/e, does that make you middle class or does it still make you working class because you are working...?

[flatface]

I really don't get this class system, it's as if everyone has their own opinion about what makes you what class and there are actually no real guidelines.

So for example, say if you had a small business that made around 250k net profit per year (quarter of a million obvs) and you owned it so you are the manager or w/e, does that make you middle class or does it still make you working class because you are working...?

Following Jen's view I would assume it would make you middle class because you're working for no one but yourself, especially if you employed people

[Jordy]

No offence but ignore Jen's take on the class system, only Marxist's consider people who work for others as working class. It's really not as black or white as that.

[KyoraStryker]

Before I got into the military, I'd say I was middle-low class (as in, the middle of the low class. Can't get more obvious than that), however, I feel I've moved up to middle class in the few short years I've been in the military.

[Moh]

For this thread to work, we need a fixed definition of the classes xD

[Dean]

I would say on the border of being lower class, but probably working class.

[Rapidshare]

Lower class...

[Mathew]

I hope that last comment wasn't aimed at me?

Just because your parents work doesn't mean you are working class. Bill Gates works - does that make him working class? Some of my friends could probably be considered "upper class" but I wouldn't say I am at all. But I know my parents also earn a fair bit more than the majority of my friends parents (putting jobs in to perspective etcetera). Hence why I would class myself as middle class.
I don't have anything more to add, but it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular :P