Account clear-out

[Apple]

Not sure if you have done one recently but are you planning on doing another account clear-out meaning any accounts that either have no posts or haven't logged on in years will be deleted?

Also looking at older threads there seems to be quite a lot of permanently banned users, maybe clearing out all of them would be a good idea to again free up more usernames.

But before you go ahead and clear them out, perhaps you could consider a mass unban of accounts and any that you don't want to unban can simply be deleted then. :)

[immense]

This is what I dont like. You go to any old thread; http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=4209

That thread number was chosen at random and on the first page 20% of people are permed. They hardly look like malicious users. I think people should only be permed if they do nothing but cause trouble. Mass Unban has to be done through admin cp rather than people appealing. It takes two seconds to perm people again. Everyone should be given another chance. Potentially hundreds of people back. Would work wonders. We're all teenagers and one aspect about being a teenager is that everyday you mature. People who were banned months/years ago should be awarded a second chance.

[Apple]

This is what I dont like. You go to any old thread; http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=4209

That thread number was chosen at random and on the first page 20% of people are permed. They hardly look like malicious users. I think people should only be permed if they do nothing but cause trouble. Mass Unban has to be done through admin cp rather than people appealing. It takes two seconds to perm people again. Everyone should be given another chance. Potentially hundreds of people back. Would work wonders. We're all teenagers and one aspect about being a teenager is that everyday you mature. People who were banned months/years ago should be awarded a second chance.

I completely agree with you. The benefits of a mass-unban would be magnificent in a lot of ways and would potentially increase the amount of activite users/threads/posts tremendously which is what we want, right? In our teen years we change a lot but in a very short time so I bet 90% of all the people who were once banned for trouble causing will be more mature and follow the rules. To make banned users aware of this they could be sent an email to to the email address they used to sign up with.

[Minstrels]

I want my old account back, management is lying to me. I never asked for a perm, the original ban was seven days. :'(

[immense]

I completely agree with you. The benefits of a mass-unban would be magnificent in a lot of ways and would potentially increase the amount of activite users/threads/posts tremendously which is what we want, right? In our teen years we change a lot but in a very short time so I bet 90% of all the people who were once banned for trouble causing will be more mature and follow the rules. To make banned users aware of this they could be sent an email to to the email address they used to sign up with.

Yeah, that was what I suggested in my ideas thread a week or so ago. I don't think that's how they're going to do it though, unfortunately.

[Mrs.McCall]

I think a little good-will might go a long way at the moment.

[Special]

alternatively you could unban everyone & those who misbehave at all, perm them immediatley

you could email them - say a couple of days before - explaining the procedure

(to make it more of an event you could do this at new year so it's a fresh start)


as for the deletion of inactive accounts, you could email those saying 'log on in the next 2 weeks or your acount will be deleted'

[Jin]

Permed accounts will stay permed. I am currently working on the clear out which stretches out into forums, threads, posts and pms also but currently this isn't topping my priority list in actual fact I have been talking about doing it for about 3 months now I have only just started actually doing something about it as of 2 days ago.

People do mature yes and often we give them the benefit of doubt from what I can see in the ticket system. However you can argue that they mature because of the consequences of their immature actions. At the end of the day we are not the members nannies or parents and we aren't here to take their toys away when they misbehave and return it back to them when they are good.

We also don't have the time to run any weird amnesty for accounts or mass unbannings to only ban accounts again remember we only allow one active account per person.

[Robbie]

I want my old account back, management is lying to me. I never asked for a perm, the original ban was seven days. :'(

I GAVE YOU THE BAN FOR 7 DAYS AND YOU ASKED FOR IT TO BE INCREASED TO 7 LMAO! How many times have I told you!

Also, I agree get my 2004 account unbanned and merged - it was banned for no reason ages ago and I'm hardly a *+*tRoUbLeCaUsEr*+*

[Apple]

Permed accounts will stay permed. I am currently working on the clear out which stretches out into forums, threads, posts and pms also but currently this isn't topping my priority list in actual fact I have been talking about doing it for about 3 months now I have only just started actually doing something about it as of 2 days ago.

People do mature yes and often we give them the benefit of doubt from what I can see in the ticket system. However you can argue that they mature because of the consequences of their immature actions. At the end of the day we are not the members nannies or parents and we aren't here to take their toys away when they misbehave and return it back to them when they are good.

We also don't have the time to run any weird amnesty for accounts or mass unbannings to only ban accounts again remember we only allow one active account per person.

The unbanned accounts could be merged if anyone has made another account. Although like you said; it isn't your duty to act as a nanny to the members, I'm sure it is of your best interest to keep Habbox active and full of life. A mass unban of accounts would help do just that. :)

[Mrs.McCall]

I have to say, I agree with Apple. It might be nice to press the reset button on Habbox a bit. A fresh start. Might ease the tension on the Forum a bit and give Habbox a fresh perspective. Yes, it might end up becoming more work for Mods but, still, it might be a nice idea to put renewed trust into members.

[Calvin]

The whole point of a ban is so the user can't access the site, right? If so, shouldn't the user be banned on all accounts or get their banned account unbanned and merged into their current accounts? Kinda defeats the object of a ban imo.

[immense]

The whole point of a ban is so the user can't access the site, right? If so, shouldn't the user be banned on all accounts or get their banned account unbanned and merged into their current accounts? Kinda defeats the object of a ban imo.

People like Hecktix / Robbie / Alkaz / -:Undertaker:- / Neversoft / NaughtyNemo / Spuds / Milestone have all had previous accounts permed and now are some of the most influential members on the forum. There are much more success stories on the forum of people being unbanned (although some of the mentioned haven't) than people being ubanned and messing it up.

[Calvin]

People like Hecktix / Robbie / Alkaz / -:Undertaker:- / Neversoft / NaughtyNemo / Spuds / Milestone have all had previous accounts permed and now are some of the most influential members on the forum. There are much more success stories on the forum of people being unbanned (although some of the mentioned haven't) than people being ubanned and messing it up.I guess it depends on the reason for the ban then.

And I doubt it would improve it massively, most of the permed users have new accounts anyway.

[immense]

I'd guess less than 10% of permed users have new active accounts. Gross untruth.

[Richie]

A mass unban could make the forum more active but it could also mean full-time moderating. I want graham and that back but then you'll have other big boasters thinking they are amazing because they are unbanned and think they are the dogs ******** per usual.




Clear out accounts people don't use, no posts etc from years back.
Keep accounts permed but allow those users to also have the option to make a new account (the perm ban could be their lesson and a new account could be their final straw)


If they did unban permed accounts, that would defeat the purpose of permanent ban.

Permanent : continuing or enduring without marked change in status or condition or place (Just pointing it out to those who fail to see the point :S)

[immense]

If people were antagonising about it then they'd be banned again. Jin has said it won't happen on any scale which I personally disagree with. I think it's a great incentive to stay for some members but that appears to be the final kick in the teeth for those who are trying to help matters. To think I spent time getting donator and making this sig too :'( Maybe I should have done what I was asked to and done something like this:

http://www.clubhabboforum.net/showthread.php?t=329558

[Richie]

http://www.clubhabboforum.net/showthread.php?t=329558

I don't get it lol, he still uses the forum?

[immense]

his sig lmao and he has already said like others they will be using that site more than this. i wasn't going to join the crowd because habbox is MY SOUL but

[Richie]

his sig lmao and he has already said like others they will be using that site more than this.

Lets be honest though, thats never going to happen and how your almost like threatening to leave habbox unless you get your account back. I don't think that's going to change managements minds, unless they're foolish.

[immense]

Lets be honest though, thats never going to happen and how your almost like threatening to leave habbox unless you get your account back. I don't think that's going to change managements minds, unless they're foolish.

That isn't my intention at all. I love habbox, I enjoy using it, I don't think I'm a trouble maker. No other users have been permed with one infraction after being on the forum for four years. I have been in contact with Jin over PM and he is looking into it for me. If he decides that he is keeping my ban, which he might, I'd respect because he is the owner and like me he wants to improve the forum. If that is his decision, I will leave, it's not a threat but like I said it'd be the final kick in the teeth when all I've ever done is try to improve and help Habbox to move forward :)

[Richie]

That isn't my intention at all. I love habbox, I enjoy using it, I don't think I'm a trouble maker. No other users have been permed with one infraction after being on the forum for four years. I have been in contact with Jin over PM and he is looking into it for me. If he decides that he is keeping my ban, which he might, I'd respect because he is the owner and like me he wants to improve the forum. If that is his decision, I will leave, it's not a threat but like I said it'd be the final kick in the teeth when all I've ever done is try to improve and help Habbox to move forward :)

Pretty sure you weren't doing that a few months ago, when you tried to nick all habboxs users for habbofailforum.com or w/e.

[The Don]

I think users should be unbanned aswell, but tbh the ones banned from like 2-6 years ago are not going to want to come back, they would have grown up and not use it anymore, I'm guessing the actuall ammount of people who would come back would be something like 10% and under. Although that would still be an increase and some of the more iconic members may come back.

I like whoevers idea it was (I think it was special's) to do it at new year for a 'Fresh start' although clearly Jin has got his mind set on not doing the mass unban so it's clearly not going to happen.

[The Don]

Richie and immense, this isn't the place for petty arguments, take it to the PM's so we can focus on what this thread is actually about please :)

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Richie and immense, this isn't the place for petty arguments, take it to the PM's so we can focus on what this thread is actually about please :)

[immense]

Pretty sure you weren't doing that a few months ago, when you tried to nick all habboxs users for habbofailforum.com or w/e.

I didn't ask anyone to move. Even when I owned it I still came on here. I advertised on here like I did on HFFM / CH / TryHabbo. If you look back at the time, when I was owner of HF I always maintained that Hx was my favourite fansite. However, you clearly don't want me unbanned. That is your opinion, I'm sure others are with you. I will wait for Jin's response and if he agrees then I'll still hope the fansite recovers and continues to do well. Even today, whilst I'm saying this I have created more threads than any user, got more rep over the last few days than any user, made more posts than any user and posted three or four feedback threads over the last few days. That is quickly forgotten though.

And yeah fair play The Don there are much more users than me that can be unbanned and make a difference. Hopefully, they're given the chance :)

[Apple]

A mass unban would pump some more life into habbox, and who doesn't think it would be great to see some old faces back around the forum? :)

[Richie]

A mass unban would pump some more life into habbox, and who doesn't think it would be great to see some old faces back around the forum? :)


The thing is, most of them already have a second account so I don't see the point.

[Nixt]

his sig lmao and he has already said like others they will be using that site more than this. i wasn't going to join the crowd because habbox is MY SOUL but

Just for the record I edited his signature to that when I reset his password for the lulz. I am sure Ryan will continue to use both sites because it is likely he finds one can quite easily use both, as I do. The point being that fansite rivalry is pointless and HxF and CHF offer different experiences, both of which are enjoyable despite being very different. The whole "I'm moving to CHF" thing is silly, because for a lot of us - including myself, Habbox has and always will be the first fansite to capture our hearts, as it were. But people have become disillusioned in regard to some events at Habbox and have chosen to open up their options rather than stick with just one site. Which leads me onto my next point...


A mass unban would pump some more life into habbox, and who doesn't think it would be great to see some old faces back around the forum?

Arguably, yes. As I have said above a lot of people are becoming increasingly confused about the way certain things are handled at Habbox. So a mass unban would certainly prove that Habbox and its Management are willing to embrace change and start that change with a bang. It would impact positively in some aspects, but I am also doubtful because I do think it would seriously devalue what has developed into a strong and effective system of moderation of which the repercussions in failing to adhere to it are clear. At the same time as increasing activity it could give rise to mass rule breaking and ultimately the undermining of everything HxF stands for - a more professional and mature experience for members who want to engage in discussion not atypical to the traditional Habbo Fansite forum.

That is why I am split on the matter, and that is why I suggested a compromise in unbanning people who were banned under a regime where the rules were a lot harsher and permanent bans were given out rashly and on the basis of what tended to be rather innocuous behaviour.

[Richie]

I'm not really too fussed about a mass unban, but can you give me a heads up? just so I can act the ********, get 'perm banned' then get unbanned. You get my point?

If there's going to be a mass unban can you also not call it a perm ban, a perm ban would be a ban that never gets lifted, which as I said defeats the purpose of calling it a perm ban. We might aswell call it 'a perm ban but HEY we'll unban you soon' that's not a perm ban? that's a long extended ban.


Sigh.

[Jin]

The unbanned accounts could be merged if anyone has made another account. Although like you said; it isn't your duty to act as a nanny to the members, I'm sure it is of your best interest to keep Habbox active and full of life. A mass unban of accounts would help do just that. :)


The whole point of a ban is so the user can't access the site, right? If so, shouldn't the user be banned on all accounts or get their banned account unbanned and merged into their current accounts? Kinda defeats the object of a ban imo.

The point of the perm ban isn't to keep people away from the site, it is so they realised they really messed up, as a result of the perm ban they lose their stats in form of rep, post count, subscriptions and status (in terms of how well known they are as they have lost their username also).

By merging the accounts it would completely defeat this purpose.

If someone gets permed they can create a new account, if they start messing around on that then that account get permed.

If it reaches a point where it is the evident the person has no intention of keeping to the rules they will just be permed and put on the auto-ban list where the objective is to keep them away. I certainly don't fancy seeing some of the old faces back on this forum if they were stupid enough to get perm banned then I don't see why we should let them back on, then again there are those cases where people get banned for things that were dealt with more harshly back then. Such as reopened a thread that has been closed by a mod.

[Apple]

The point of the perm ban isn't to keep people away from the site, it is so they realised they really messed up, as a result of the perm ban they lose their stats in form of rep, post count, subscriptions and status (in terms of how well known they are as they have lost their username also).

By merging the accounts it would completely defeat this purpose.

If someone gets permed they can create a new account, if they start messing around on that then that account get permed.

If it reaches a point where it is the evident the person has no intention of keeping to the rules they will just be permed and put on the auto-ban list where the objective is to keep them away. I certainly don't fancy seeing some of the old faces back on this forum if they were stupid enough to get perm banned then I don't see why we should let them back on, then again there are those cases where people get banned for things that were dealt with more harshly back then. Such as reopened a thread that has been closed by a mod.

This is where it can get confusing as to who was banned for what reasons. It's basically just whatever gave the final blow. You could of got the majority of your infraction points from serious things such as posting inappropriate content and avoiding the filter, but then the final infraction point which auto perm bans the account comes from something petty like re-opening a thread. But this being said, in my opinion it's not the reason a user was banned that matters, it's whether or not they have matured and you think they are worthy of a second chance.

[Calvin]

this thread is broke

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[Returning]

The point of the perm ban isn't to keep people away from the site, it is so they realised they really messed up, as a result of the perm ban they lose their stats in form of rep, post count, subscriptions and status (in terms of how well known they are as they have lost their username also).

By merging the accounts it would completely defeat this purpose.

If someone gets permed they can create a new account, if they start messing around on that then that account get permed.

If it reaches a point where it is the evident the person has no intention of keeping to the rules they will just be permed and put on the auto-ban list where the objective is to keep them away. I certainly don't fancy seeing some of the old faces back on this forum if they were stupid enough to get perm banned then I don't see why we should let them back on, then again there are those cases where people get banned for things that were dealt with more harshly back then. Such as reopened a thread that has been closed by a mod.

This is the kind of view that is runing habbox in my opinion. You seem to be in the old mindset of dont give secone chances, people dont change, do things the old way, old way works best. to be frank, No it doesnt anymore. Habbox needs a complete fresh re-start. You have to remember this forum is for TEENAGERS, Teenagers act out, teenagers make mistakes, its what they do and its the way you learn in life. I certainly know if i hadnt of make the mistakes i made during my rebel stage, i wouldnt be the better person i am today. You have to give teenagers a chance to proove they have learnt from their mistakes, which you just dont ever seem to want to do.

If habbox wants to be here in future years to come, they need to come into the 21st century with there way of doing things and start a-fresh and reistablish itself within the habbo community. I can guartnee 95% of permed and autobanned people woulf come back a changed person and alot of them using there experience to help the community not go there way, as shown by Several very respected and high up figures of this forum (eg Oli, Nemo, Robbie just off top of my head). The other 5% that do come back and start to cause trouble, we they can just be picked off very quickly and got ridden off.

Simple fact is if you dont do something, Habbox will NOT ne here in years to come. FACT

[Matthew]

Im for a mass un-ban.

People change, yes you can be immature and a trouble maker at one point (and get permed), but that person isn't necessarily going to be immature and a trouble maker 1-2 years down the line?
Surely if the user has proven that they have passed their worse, and are willing to contribute well and help the forum (like for instance immense), then unbanning surely isn't wrong?

[Apple]

This is the kind of view that is runing habbox in my opinion. You seem to be in the old mindset of dont give secone chances, people dont change, do things the old way, old way works best. to be frank, No it doesnt anymore. Habbox needs a complete fresh re-start. You have to remember this forum is for TEENAGERS, Teenagers act out, teenagers make mistakes, its what they do and its the way you learn in life. I certainly know if i hadnt of make the mistakes i made during my rebel stage, i wouldnt be the better person i am today. You have to give teenagers a chance to proove they have learnt from their mistakes, which you just dont ever seem to want to do.

If habbox wants to be here in future years to come, they need to come into the 21st century with there way of doing things and start a-fresh and reistablish itself within the habbo community. I can guartnee 95% of permed and autobanned people woulf come back a changed person and alot of them using there experience to help the community not go there way, as shown by Several very respected and high up figures of this forum (eg Oli, Nemo, Robbie just off top of my head). The other 5% that do come back and start to cause trouble, we they can just be picked off very quickly and got ridden off.

Simple fact is if you dont do something, Habbox will NOT ne here in years to come. FACT

You make some good points. Also I couldn't help but wonder who you are as you don't really sound to be new here. xD

[immense]

I want to retract what I said earlier anyway. Obviously, I want to be unbanned but it's not a determining factor in me staying here. I enjoy using Habbox. I think people should be unbanned too but I do see what Richie / Jin say when they say the ban was placed at that time for a reason and removing it makes it pointless. Although, I think the fact people can change and should be allowed their original accounts back outweighs this argument. It's unfair some people get unbanned / uncautioned and others don't in my opinion. If you're permed for having 10 infractions why should your ban be removed as opposed to somebody elses.

[Returning]

You make some good points. Also I couldn't help but wonder who you are as you don't really sound to be new here. xD

Its titch. Still Iped and Autobanned. *watches this account get banned*

Also i think just from this post you can see i have matured, becuase we all know i would never post something like that before.

TO MODS: Approve this post before u ban me, becuase they deserve to knw who post was from and its giving POSITIVE feedback not negative :)

[The Don]

Its titch. Still Iped and Autobanned. *watches this account get banned*

Also i think just from this post you can see i have matured, becuase we all know i would never post something like that before.

TO MODS: Approve this post before u ban me, becuase they deserve to knw who post was from and its giving POSITIVE feedback not negative :)

And now you are banned :(

I'm still for the idea of a mass unban, it'd be great seeing old faces coming back and it's not hard to ban some people but I doubt many would actually cause trouble again.

[AgnesIO]

People like Hecktix / Robbie / Alkaz / -:Undertaker:- / Neversoft / NaughtyNemo / Spuds / Milestone have all had previous accounts permed and now are some of the most influential members on the forum. There are much more success stories on the forum of people being unbanned (although some of the mentioned haven't) than people being ubanned and messing it up.

Oh ssh Jake you are making us all blush :P I know myself, Neversoft and Spuds are just high posters but you know lol.

And remember none of my accounts are permed! :P

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I do not believe a mass unban is needed - however I think some users should be unbanned, and although I don't always agree with Jake, he is one of the users who I would consider unbanning as he offers so much activity to habbox - and he isn't getting cautioned/banned on his current account.

I also believe that users with no posts and havent logged in in over a year, should have their accounts deleted.

Or perhaps, invite users back, using that magical power you have in EMAILING the users.

[immense]

You were permed though. This is my point. People can come back and be constructive / 'good' members.

[AgnesIO]

You were permed though. This is my point. People can come back and be constructive / 'good' members.

Yeah but :L

Only had one warning in like six months and I got that for telling some troll to 'grow the **** up'

The troll was big and green too.

[Mrs.McCall]

I don't see the harm in hitting the refresh. We've all done some things in the past that were foolish and stupid but things change. I think if there was a mass unban it'd really send out a message that Habbox cares about its members and the community. There's no harm in second chances. Then, if they break the rules, they're gone.

[Apple]

In comeback to your "permanent ban means permanent ban", I think the life sentence is a great example. When criminals get sentenced to life, after being in prison for a long period of time they are then able to apply for parole. This means that they are free to leave prison until their sentence is over (when they die) but will be monitored closely. If they should recommit a crime then they will be straight back to jail. So even though it's a life imprisonment sentence, they are likely to end up being released.

[nvrspk4]

This is what I dont like. You go to any old thread; http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=4209

That thread number was chosen at random and on the first page 20% of people are permed. They hardly look like malicious users. I think people should only be permed if they do nothing but cause trouble. Mass Unban has to be done through admin cp rather than people appealing. It takes two seconds to perm people again. Everyone should be given another chance. Potentially hundreds of people back. Would work wonders. We're all teenagers and one aspect about being a teenager is that everyday you mature. People who were banned months/years ago should be awarded a second chance.

In fairness, the reason for that is probably because at various points in Habbox's history, members decided to "revolt", and decided that the best way to get change was to break rules, insult people, and go crazy. While older members (yourself included) will remember that in some instances perhaps management got a bit stricter (let's just leave the point, you know what I mean), you'll also remember that several members did intentionally rulebreak to "bring attention" to the issues.

That wasn't accepted as a strategy (otherwise all hell would break loose every week) and the offending members were banned. That stopped happening probably starting with Freak, though there may have been one or two at that time, but past examples showed that it wasn't the way to get things done. So a lot of those bans were probably a result of mass revolt (I can tell you, two in the thread you provided definitely were.)


In comeback to your "permanent ban means permanent ban", I think the life sentence is a great example. When criminals get sentenced to life, after being in prison for a long period of time they are then able to apply for parole. This means that they are free to leave prison until their sentence is over (when they die) but will be monitored closely. If they should recommit a crime then they will be straight back to jail. So even though it's a life imprisonment sentence, they are likely to end up being released.

That's just because you UK people are backwards. In a lot of places, life actually means life. For example, in the US in some cases you can appeal after 10 years, but when it's been handed down by a Federal Court, it can only be pardoned by the President/Governor depending on the court. There is also a "life without parole", specifically when you don't want to allow good behavior to override the issue. IMO, the permanent bans where appeals are denied are "life without parole".

http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Life:imprisonment.html

[Mrs.McCall]

Are we seriously comparing a perm ban to a life sentence? Seriously?

[nvrspk4]

Are we seriously comparing a perm ban to a life sentence? Seriously?

I mean I COULD say no...

[Nixt]

Are we seriously comparing a perm ban to a life sentence? Seriously?

In fairness the fundamental principles are essentially the same xD

[Mrs.McCall]

Yeah but come on, prison's a bit more deeper than a ban from a forum.

[immense]

I'd rather be in prison tbh. Although, I'd miss things like this: http://public.fotki.com/hxf/hxf/

truly best thing ever. so fun.