Tebbit accuses Cameron of 'Vichy-style' surrender as Cameron flops on EU budget rise

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324401/Cameron-admits-Euro-budget-jump-430m-hands.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/8091953/David-Cameron-softens-on-EU-budget.html

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/208026/Spirit-of-Maggie-inspires-PM-to-fight-880m-new-demand-by-EU


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'Vichy-style surrender' - Lord Tebbit




David Cameron has admitted defeat today in his bid to stop British taxpayers footing a multimillion-pound hike in the EU budget - prompting a new row with the Tory right. The veteran Tory Eurosceptic Norman Tebbit warned the Prime Minister that he risked a 'Vichy-style surrender' unless he refused to accept an increase in the EU budget. Despite demands the runaway bill be reined in, No10 has acknowledged it is powerless to prevent the budget soaring by at least 2.9 per cent - equivalent to an extra £429million from the UK - after failing to gain support from other EU members. The rise could even be as high as 6 per cent, at a time when public services in Britain are being slashed in a bid to cut the deficit.


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Cameron in Brussels today.




Mr Cameron is now coming under fresh pressure to hold a referendum on the EU after France and Germany demanded embarrassing changes to the infamous Lisbon Treaty - barely a year after it was finally approved. Eurosceptics clamouring for a referendum on the EU are demanding any changes be put to UK voters and have accused Mr Cameron of 'making schoolboy promises on Europe he knows he cannot keep'. Lord Tebbit added: 'Mr Cameron may find himself isolated in that position as other European leaders fall into line with the commission's demands. 'But he would do better to go down fighting than to surrender in some Vichy-style arrangement, pretending to hold on to sovereignty by agreeing to what Europe demands. 'The empty decks of the aircraft carriers will mock a decision to subsidise the ambitions of our masters in Brussels'.


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Nigel Farage from the UK Independence Party said: 'Britain will continue to fund the megalomaniacal ambitions of the European Union, and this government like the last will wriggle out of its promises for a referendum. Yet again you cannot trust the Conservatives on Europe', he said.
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U-turn: Only last week, Mr Cameron was talking tough when it came to EU cash.


This man is nothing but a spineless, compulsive liar whos only real gift in anything is spin doctoring and public relations stunts - he is afterall, the self-proclaimed 'heir to Blair'. Ironic really, I remember the Tory Party simply couldn't get enough pot shots at Gordon Brown for not holding an election calling him a 'coward' - as this shows in the latest manifesto broken promise from the Tories, they are just the same as the last gang of spivs who left office. It is very simply, he is elected and he has the power to stop that budget rise by simply saying no.

Thoughts on 'Cast-iron' Daves ultimate flop concerning the EU budget rises?

[Robbie]

To be honest I think everyone now is used to false and empty promises from Mr Cameron, so it's no surprise.

[Jordy]

Lord Tebbit doesn't accuse that of Cameron, he said he risked it which is different. As for the referendum, he hasn't spoke out saying there won't be one yet, jumping to conclusions already.

Seems like Cameron is leading the way in Europe when it comes to stopping to the 6% rise;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11641023

[Chippiewill]

How difficult is it to tell the EU "No." and "Go Away."?

[Technologic]

Tbh he did a pretty good job of getting them to at least halve the budget rise and convince other countries to agree with him....

[immense]

How difficult is it to tell the EU "No." and "Go Away."?

That'd just be incredibly foolish.

[Jordy]

Tbh he did a pretty good job of getting them to at least halve the budget rise and convince other countries to agree with him....Yeah very much so, whilst i'd prefer a cut or a freeze, it really isn't possible to go below the 2.9% he managed to achieve so kudos to Cameron for doing the best he could of done there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11651851

[Chippiewill]

That'd just be incredibly foolish.

I fail to see why rises in the amount we give to the EU is not foolish in itself.

[immense]

I fail to see why rises in the amount we give to the EU is not foolish in itself.

The EU does more good than bad. Don't let HxF fool you.

[Chippiewill]

The EU does more good than bad. Don't let HxF fool you.

Infinite Loop Detected.

[immense]

The HxF racists have captured you.

[dbgtz]

In all fairness, he did try and he realises he just can't say no without consequence. Labour would have just gave in tbh and you have to give him credit for his efforts, he didn't just roll over instantly.

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Lord Tebbit doesn't accuse that of Cameron, he said he risked it which is different. As for the referendum, he hasn't spoke out saying there won't be one yet, jumping to conclusions already.

Seems like Cameron is leading the way in Europe when it comes to stopping to the 6% rise;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11641023

Lord Tebbit did say that, and if he did say 'risked it' then he's earned that title - seeing as spineless Cameron has now given in after saying he did not want an EU budget rise; http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/normantebbit/


That'd just be incredibly foolish.

Foolish to upset the EU/not go along with it? you mean like Norway and Switzerland who are also on the continent, have far smaller economies and have better growth who refuse to kowtow to the EU - mentioning Switzerland, its also interesting to note that now with even more EU regulations sliding towards the City of London, many of our businesses and firms are now moving from London to Switzerland and other places with low taxes rates and little regulation.


Yeah very much so, whilst i'd prefer a cut or a freeze, it really isn't possible to go below the 2.9% he managed to achieve so kudos to Cameron for doing the best he could of done there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11651851


The EU does more good than bad. Don't let HxF fool you.


In all fairness, he did try and he realises he just can't say no without consequence. Labour would have just gave in tbh and you have to give him credit for his efforts, he didn't just roll over instantly.


Tbh he did a pretty good job of getting them to at least halve the budget rise and convince other countries to agree with him....

It is a common tactic of the European Union to ask for more than it knows it will get, and then to settle for 'less'. Cameron hasn't won anything, he's gone and lost hundreds of millions for absolutely nothing in return. For more on this tactic (which the French use quite often but in reversal) see; The GReat Deception by Christopher Booker.

Yet the Tory spin doctors paint it as a victory and you all fall over yourselves to congratulate David Cameron for giving your money away.

[Technologic]

Lord Tebbit did say that, and if he did say 'risked it' then he's earned that title - seeing as spineless Cameron has now given in after saying he did not want an EU budget rise; http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/normantebbit/



You mean like Norway and Switzerland who are also in Europe, have far smaller economies and have better growth - mentioning Switzerland, its also interesting to note that now with even more EU regulations sliding towards the City of London, many are now moving from London to Switzerland.









You are all sucked in very easily aren't you? it is a common tactic of the European Union to ask for more, and then to settle for less. Cameron hasn't won anything, he's gone and lost hundreds of millions for absolutely nothing in return. For more on this tactic (which the French use quite often but in reversal) see; The GReat Deception by Christopher Booker.

Well you obviously have a better knowledge of politics than the entire government and EU government so please, tell us what he should've done in a situation where very few countries would agree to a 0% rise.

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Well you obviously have a better knowledge of politics than the entire government and EU government so please, tell us what he should've done in a situation where very few countries would agree to a 0% rise.

You simply refuse to sign the budget off, or you withhold the payments - what are they going to do? throw us out? they would not dare because they depend so much on our money. The French often just ignore EU fines - it's time Britain stood up for herself.

Although better than that, i'd just leave altogether which is what the majority of the British people want anyway.

[Technologic]

You simply refuse to sign the budget off, or you withhold the payments - what are they going to do? throw us out? they would not dare because they depend so much on our money. The French often just ignore EU fines - it's time Britain stood up for herself.

Although better than that, i'd just leave altogether which is what the majority of the British people want anyway.

Yes, a majority of British people want reduced trade, reduced security, reduced financial security, higher airfares, less people to do the **** jobs, increased waits at airports, lose the ability to study wherever they want in the EU.... i can go on

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Yes, a majority of British people want reduced trade, reduced security, reduced financial security, higher airfares, less people to do the **** jobs, increased waits at airports, lose the ability to study wherever they want in the EU.... i can go on

Reduced trade? - trade wouldn't stop by us leaving the EU and i'd ask you to back that claim up - I can (Switzerland, Norway).

Reduced security? - what does the EU do to make us secure? open borders? have you not heard of the Romanian gangs operating here?

Reduced financial security? - that doesn't even mean anything.

Higher airfares? - wrong actually, EU regulations cost airlines megabucks in costs, thats not to mention the added hidden costs.

Less people to do jobs? - never heard of visas? they are what the rest of the world use.

Increased waits at airports? - you do the exact same as everybody else at airports (showing your passport etc).

Lose the ability to study in the EU? - wrong actually, just because it has an EU sticker on it doesn't mean it can't be done without the EU (research propaganda).

Anything else? you've missed the most naive one that often comes up which is that somehow the EU stops Europe blowing itself up.