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-:Undertaker:-
03-11-2010, 02:10 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326053/MID-TERMS-2010-Results-Obama-faces-rout.html


The Republican wave: Democrats lose control of the House as Obama faces worst poll defeat in 68 years




Projections mean Nancy Pelosi's term as first woman House Speaker is over



Fox and CNN project Christine O'Donnell has lost her bid for Senate



But Tea Party-backed Rand Paul wins in Kentucky



Tea Party scores another victory in Florida with Marco Rubio



As America votes, Obama discusses his daughters' Halloween costumes with Ryan Seacrest



'Get your friends to vote': Obama's desperate email plea to supporters




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twU3IQbgnaI
Rand Paul: 'Thomas Jefferson wrote that government is best that governs least, likewise freedom is best when enjoyed by the most.'


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Tea Party backed Conservative-Libertarian Rand Paul sweeps to victory in Kentucky




The Republicans rode a tidal wave of public anger to reclaim control of the House of Representatives from President Obama's Democrat Party with a historic victory tonight. Although few counts across the country were completed, the AP, CNN and Fox News all confidently projected a Republican victory. Fox predicted a massive gain of 60 seats for the Republicans - the biggest margin for 68 years. The power switch will mean that Nancy Pelosi's reign as America's first woman House Speaker is over.
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Forced smiles: Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, with House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, left, and DCCC Chairman Chris Van Hollen, right, during an Election Results Watch Reception in Washington tonight


She will be replaced by Republican leader John Boehner when Congress reconvenes after the election. CNN estimated that the Republicans will win at least 50 seats - far more than the 39 they needed for a majority in the House. But the fate of the Senate remained in the balance, with the Republicans still needing seven of the ten seats it needed to make it a clean sweep on Capitol Hill. The Republican tide was being led by right wing conservative Tea Party candidates in what was being seen as a protest vote against Mr Obama’s failure to cure the nation’s economic ills. Tea Party favourite Rand Paul scored the first big victory of the night in Kentucky where he beat his Democrat Senate rival by a handy margin.
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Fighting for his political life: President Barack Obama (seen here arriving back at the White House today) could now become a 'lame duck' President as Democrats lose control of the House but are expected to hold the Senate




Mr Paul, son of former presidential candidate Ron Paul, beat Democrat Jack Conway after one of the ugliest campaigns in the country. Democrats once hoped to have a shot at that seat, arguing that Paul was too far out of the U.S. political mainstream. 'I have a message from the people of Kentucky... We've come to take our government back,' he told a cheering crowd in a victory speech. The fledgling conservative movement also nabbed wins in Indiana and South Carolina. But one of the most high-profile Tea Party candidates, Christine O’Donnell – who grabbed the headlines when she revealed she once dabbled in witchcraft – lost out in her bid to capture Vice President Joe Biden's old seat in Delaware to Democrat Chris Coons. Early exit polls tonight are showing the Democrats are headed for a trouncing.Fantastic news, with any luck Obama will also lose control of the Senate. The United States faces deep problems, her debt is spiralling out of control and she has overstretched herself - possibly facing the same terminal decline that the British Empire before her also experienced. The US needs to cut its debt, it has no other choice. I'm rooting for Ron Paul 2012, Obama was just what many warned - the American Blair.

Thoughts?

Agnostic Bear
03-11-2010, 02:30 AM
Fantastic news. I sure hope everything just goes haywire and the GOP take the Senate as well. That'd make my day.

Conservative,
03-11-2010, 07:56 AM
I like Obama but I can see what he's done. I suppose it's good news lol.

alexxxxx
03-11-2010, 05:11 PM
wouldn't say that it's obama's fault that their debt is so bad, espcecially when clinton left office the finances were looking pretty healthy. american politics is boring anyway, far too populist. Ron Paul is alright, but the whole tea party movement is very suspect indeed. it's not a grass-roots movement and it seems like its just a bit of a fox-news controlled mob at times.

Fez
03-11-2010, 05:12 PM
Sorry, but I just can't see why the Tea Party is... good... in any form or another.

I know they're characterised as 'racist', but I just don't see any of their aims being realistic or really any of their thoughts being constructive.

Please, I'd like to know why.

mr.tom
03-11-2010, 05:12 PM
someone explain to me, what did obama do wrong :(

Fez
03-11-2010, 05:16 PM
someone explain to me, what did obama do wrong :(

The problem isn't that he did anything really massively wrong, but he didn't do anything right.

mr.tom
03-11-2010, 05:20 PM
The problem isn't that he did anything really massively wrong, but he didn't do anything right.

what didn't he do right?

dbgtz
03-11-2010, 06:04 PM
He hasn't done much imo, as a person he's cool but not the best president.

Anyway @ mr.tom he done that health thing where alot of americans get free health care, which is a bit iffy as it's good but it costs alot. Its good in one way, bad in another.

mr.tom
03-11-2010, 06:06 PM
oh i see, ok thx just didnt know a lot bout what obamas been up2

Jordy
03-11-2010, 08:48 PM
Hmm health-care is one of Obama's successes if anything I think? It was firmly part of his policy when trying to get elected and he managed to push it through I believe despite the struggles?

Not too sure about the rest of Obama's term as I don't follow American politics but he seems to of ****** up when it comes to Afghanistan and closing Guantanamo bay. I personally don't like him as his administration refused to back us over the Falklands issue last year.

MrPinkPanther
05-11-2010, 04:30 PM
Those who are saying "Obama hasn't done anything" need to look into the American political system. Essentially you're right but it's not his fault. Compared to the UK the US is extremely slow in debating and enacting legislation, in fact thats why the first 100 days of a Presidential rule are seen as so pivotal because often the more controversial legislation proposed in the first 100 days won't get enacted until shortly before the next election. Look at what Obama has tried to do, he's tried to introduce a national health care system into America, thats huge. Five years ago that would have been political suicide because it's supposedly "socialist and evil" and yet somehow he's remained relatively popular even after he proposed it. Obama was never going to be able to live up to the hype and I honestly think that so far he hasn't done too badly, not amazing but not bad either.

-:Undertaker:-
05-11-2010, 04:53 PM
The problem with the Tea Party is that it is in danger of being hijacked by people such as Sarah Palin who (as far as I know) had no problems with the debt run up by the George W Bush administration. Ron Paul is the godfather of the movement, and hopefully it will achieve something.

But if this is the chance and the movement to change America then i'm all for it.

MrPinkPanther
05-11-2010, 04:58 PM
Ron Paul is the godfather of the movement, and hopefully it will achieve something.
Hes a douche. He called Bruno queer.

alexxxxx
05-11-2010, 08:51 PM
ron paul is not the 'godfather' of the tea party movement at all. In fact recently he's come out against certain elements of it - ie the old faces of the republican party are coming in and essentially killing off the 'ideals' of it.

that's the real problem with the 'tea party' - it's not old enough, or strong enough in its leadership (which is understandable seeing as it is really a movement). I also think that a large amount of its supporters are misinformed and some of the money behind it makes it less of a 'grassroots' movement than it is meant to be. Fox News TV Channel is basically Tea Party TV with it spreading hatred and misinforming the public.

Eoin247
05-11-2010, 08:55 PM
According to forbes Barack Obama is no longer the most powerful man in the world as a result of this. Chinas leader seems to be the most powerful man now, however america still has the mightiest military power.

-:Undertaker:-
05-11-2010, 09:10 PM
ron paul is not the 'godfather' of the tea party movement at all. In fact recently he's come out against certain elements of it - ie the old faces of the republican party are coming in and essentially killing off the 'ideals' of it.

that's the real problem with the 'tea party' - it's not old enough, or strong enough in its leadership (which is understandable seeing as it is really a movement). I also think that a large amount of its supporters are misinformed and some of the money behind it makes it less of a 'grassroots' movement than it is meant to be. Fox News TV Channel is basically Tea Party TV with it spreading hatred and misinforming the public.

Ron Paul was the godfather of the movement along with the Campaign for Liberty and its stemmed from him, although people like Palin are now jumping on the bandwagon. As for Fox News it's only the neocon equivalent of the BBC. In terms of the Tea Party, I don't see any hatred being spread - you get bad eggs in all walks of life, its no reason to brand the entire Tea Party as a bunch of backward nutcases.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgnP0DcYb8Q


The difference with the Tea Party now, it appears (as Ron Paul says) as though the liberal interventioist-neocons have taken over the movement to squash any threat to them in the Republican Party from the likes of the Libertarian section. I suppose you could compare to the Conservative Party over here is a way, with Camerons interventions in the candidate shortlist selection.

MrPinkPanther
06-11-2010, 12:44 AM
As for Fox News it's only the neocon equivalent of the BBC.

It's NOTHING like the BBC. Whether or not you like it the BBC is one of the most impartial media outlets in the world, you frequently quote the Daily Mail so I don't think you can win any awards for impartiality. Look at what Fox News does, it ran several weeks of coverage on Obamas middle name, why? It's Hussein, you know, like Saddam. Its absolutely ridiculous that they were trying to affiliate Obama with one of Americas biggest enemies and a tyrannical leader. You say the BBC is bias against UKIP and other parties like that. If Farages middle name was "Adolf" do you honestly believe that the BBC would run several weeks of news advertising it?

-:Undertaker:-
06-11-2010, 09:36 AM
It's NOTHING like the BBC. Whether or not you like it the BBC is one of the most impartial media outlets in the world, you frequently quote the Daily Mail so I don't think you can win any awards for impartiality. Look at what Fox News does, it ran several weeks of coverage on Obamas middle name, why? It's Hussein, you know, like Saddam. Its absolutely ridiculous that they were trying to affiliate Obama with one of Americas biggest enemies and a tyrannical leader. You say the BBC is bias against UKIP and other parties like that. If Farages middle name was "Adolf" do you honestly believe that the BBC would run several weeks of news advertising it?

The BBC is not impartial whatsoever. I quote the Daily Mail with the knowledge that it is biased, I like what the Mail has to say - I don't like what the BBC has to say considering the BBC is run on a tax called the license fee and has an unfair monopoly over television. In regards to the BBC and UKIP, they've done things like that very much so - I remember I was watching around election time and they were at Buckingham where Farage was holding a conference, the reporter brought up the BNP even though the BNP had nothing to do with it.

Another example arose only a few weeks ago in regards to BBC Question Time; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1323032/Question-Time-faces-bias-charge-audiences-hostile-Government-cuts.html


'After the audience grilling, a BBC producer was overheard telling Sir Richard Dannatt, a panellist and the former head of the Army, that the show was held in Middlesbrough because the audience would be the most hostile to the cuts.'A few months ago the BBC also admitted something that people along the lines of yourself denied for years, that the BBC was biased towards the Thatcher Ministry while it was in office; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1308215/Yes-BBC-biased-Mark-Thompson-admits-massive-lean-Left.html

One other example would be the constant 'Tory CUTS' - it was never 'Labour WASTE' now was it?

Lord Pearson also runs a thinktank, Global Britain which you'll find examples listed also on that; http://www.globalbritain.org/BBC.asp

So let's stop bashing Fox News and look a little closer to home.

alexxxxx
06-11-2010, 09:38 AM
It's NOTHING like the BBC. Whether or not you like it the BBC is one of the most impartial media outlets in the world, you frequently quote the Daily Mail so I don't think you can win any awards for impartiality. Look at what Fox News does, it ran several weeks of coverage on Obamas middle name, why? It's Hussein, you know, like Saddam. Its absolutely ridiculous that they were trying to affiliate Obama with one of Americas biggest enemies and a tyrannical leader. You say the BBC is bias against UKIP and other parties like that. If Farages middle name was "Adolf" do you honestly believe that the BBC would run several weeks of news advertising it?

yeah i agree. BBC does not tie-in big egos who present opinionated programs as factual. it's unreal.

Frodo13.
12-11-2010, 05:17 PM
Obama is very much the JFK of this generation - style over substance. This is why I supported Hillary Clinton back when the Democrats were picking their nomination.

Jordy
13-11-2010, 01:11 PM
Obama is very much the JFK of this generation - style over substance. This is why I supported Hillary Clinton back when the Democrats were picking their nomination.Exactly, I said before he was elected he'd be a similar president to JFK for style over substance. What worries me though is that JFK is considered a great president whilst he achieved very little in 2 years in power mainly just because of his style and assassination. I do hope Obama won't be remembered as a great president purely because of his style and the fact he is black.

Conservative,
13-11-2010, 01:16 PM
Exactly, I said before he was elected he'd be a similar president to JFK for style over substance. What worries me though is that JFK is considered a great president whilst he achieved very little in 2 years in power mainly just because of his style and assassination. I do hope Obama won't be remembered as a great president purely because of his style and the fact he is black.

He'll be remembered for defying the beliefs of many. But JFK was a great President on home affairs - internationally he was a joke. Obama is the other way round - home affairs he's messed up pretty big time, but internationally he's done well.

Jordy
13-11-2010, 02:25 PM
He'll be remembered for defying the beliefs of many. But JFK was a great President on home affairs - internationally he was a joke. Obama is the other way round - home affairs he's messed up pretty big time, but internationally he's done well.How so, what's he achieved on an international scale? He's hopeless at trying to solve the Middle East crisis seeing as he supports Israel. Until the Americans stop supporting Israel there will forever be unrest in the Middle East.

Conservative,
13-11-2010, 04:28 PM
How so, what's he achieved on an international scale? He's hopeless at trying to solve the Middle East crisis seeing as he supports Israel. Until the Americans stop supporting Israel there will forever be unrest in the Middle East.

He's made international relations much better between USA & several other countries.

Jordy
13-11-2010, 05:03 PM
He's made international relations much better between USA & several other countries.Which countries are these?

I'd say UK-US relations have deteriorated under Obama for instance.

Conservative,
13-11-2010, 05:36 PM
Which countries are these?

I'd say UK-US relations have deteriorated under Obama for instance.

US-Russia to name one.

Fez
13-11-2010, 07:04 PM
Obama is very much the JFK of this generation - style over substance. This is why I supported Hillary Clinton back when the Democrats were picking their nomination.

Spot on here, +rep.

Frodo13.
14-11-2010, 04:34 PM
But JFK was a great President on home affairs - internationally he was a joke.

It's actually the other way round. It's strongly believed by many historians that JKF was far too pre-occupied with foreign affairs and as a result, his domestic policy failed. JFK in reality, didn't have the ability to take on the House of Representatives. At the time of his presidency, whilst the Democrats had a majority in the House, it was very conservative, as there JFK was being propped up by conservative southern Democrats - alot of the laws he wanted to pass were opposed by them, and without the support of the southern Democrats, it would of been very difficult for JKF to be elected for a second term (although obviously, JFK didn't live long enough)

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