Content Management

[Robbie]

I'm just wondering, why do we need a Content Design Manager and a Content AGM? It just seems like the Manager role is redundant and could easily be done by the AGM. (No disrespect to Joe or Calvin ye)

What's the difference in what they do because it seems like one wouldn't have to do as much now.

[Con]

Content AGM covers Content Design, Graphics and News departments as well as generally running the Habbox Site I believe.
Whereas the Content Design Manager is in charge of the guides and goodies etc. that will be put on the Habbox Site.

[Robbie]

Oh right lol. DIDN'T KNOW INIT.

[Mathew]

Exactly what I thought when it was announced.
It was practically Joe's job for goodness knows how many months, so why create yet another rank with a fancy name when the most it will do is slow down communication between staff? I'm guessing Content Staff will have to go to Skizzling now, which will then be passed on to Joe. Crazy.

On the other hand though, it is about time there were some guides written and added to Habbox.com which I suppose needs some direct leadership; for example the Hall of Fame which has been removed for ages (and Alex is currently working on :O).

[Con]

@Mat - That's the same for departments like Graphics though, we go to Myke who goes to Joe, although he actually doesn't have to show Joe every piece of work (as far as I'm aware) and in Content they wont have to show Joe every piece of content they make, it's just up to him to look at the work being produced etc.

[Robbie]

Exactly what I thought when it was announced.
It was practically Joe's job for goodness knows how many months; so why create yet another rank with a fancy name when the most it will do is slow down communication between staff? I'm guessing Content Staff will have to go to Skizzling now, which will then be passed on to Joe. Crazy.

Yup, same. I didn't know that the content agm manages news etc though aswell.

[AgnesIO]

Another position in MY opinion will just mean more excuses for things not getting done. 'Oh it isn't my job to do that, that is the Content Super Duper Design and Goodies Manager - not me (the 'Assistant General Content Design Super Manager).'

I Know that's exaggerating - but so often people blame things on it being the other persons job - when they should both know lol

[Con]

Yup, same. I didn't know that the content agm manages news etc though aswell.

It's like how the Community AGM manages Help Desk, Habbox Live, Events and Rare Values.

[Calvin]

Content AGM covers Content Design, Graphics and News departments as well as generally running the Habbox Site I believe.
Whereas the Content Design Manager is in charge of the guides and goodies etc. that will be put on the Habbox Site.What Connor said really. My job is to manage the actual content on the site, such as the guides, goodies, and other sections and Joe manages the site departments (Content, Graphics & News) :)


Another position in MY opinion will just mean more excuses for things not getting done. 'Oh it isn't my job to do that, that is the Content Super Duper Design and Goodies Manager - not me (the 'Assistant General Content Design Super Manager).'

I Know that's exaggerating - but so often people blame things on it being the other persons job - when they should both know lolNot quite sure what you mean by that post, what isn't getting done?

[Mathew]

Yup, same. I didn't know that the content agm manages news etc though aswell.
Oh me either :P


Another position in MY opinion will just mean more excuses for things not getting done. 'Oh it isn't my job to do that, that is the Content Super Duper Design and Goodies Manager - not me (the 'Assistant General Content Design Super Manager).'

I Know that's exaggerating - but so often people blame things on it being the other persons job - when they should both know lol
It's always happened on Habbox imo, people are quick to point the finger and say "it's not my job" or "so-and-so should have done that" when everyone should pitch in and do it together. Everyone is working towards the same objective in a department so stick your finger out (as it were) and DIY :P

[Chippiewill]

Perhaps the Content AGM needs a more appropriate title?

[Hecktix]

Alkaz has been performing two roles for some time, in my eyes, the AGM (Content) role shouldn't be called AGM (Content) it should be called AGM (Site) as the role covers overseeing the Content, Graphics and News Departments along with the upkeep of Habbox.com and HabboxLive.com.

Assistant General Managers should not be managing departments as managing a department hinders any jobs as AGM - as if an AGM is managing a department that's giving that department more attention than the other departments - Senior Management need to spread their time equally over their given Departments and as a pure advisory role on top of ensuring everything is running smoothly, Jin has made it clear that AGMs should not be "too" involved within their designated Departments which is why Roxy is no longer Events Manager and Joe no longer Content Design Manager.

All this is, is a mere confusion over the title AGM (Content)

[Chippiewill]

Alkaz has been performing two roles for some time, in my eyes, the AGM (Content) role shouldn't be called AGM (Content) it should be called AGM (Site) as the role covers overseeing the Content, Graphics and News Departments along with the upkeep of Habbox.com and HabboxLive.com.

Assistant General Managers should not be managing departments as managing a department hinders any jobs as AGM - as if an AGM is managing a department that's giving that department more attention than the other departments - Senior Management need to spread their time equally over their given Departments and as a pure advisory role on top of ensuring everything is running smoothly, Jin has made it clear that AGMs should not be "too" involved within their designated Departments which is why Roxy is no longer Events Manager and Joe no longer Content Design Manager.

All this is, is a mere confusion over the title AGM (Content)

Can I make the suggestion that management rename this title to reflect this?

[Mathew]

I agree with the name change to AGM (Site). Much more appropriate.

[Hecktix]

That one would be up to Jin and Matt :P

[Grig]

The whole hierarchy is a piss up imo. I'll be honest with you and say Joe didn't do too much with news, it was more or less in mine or Martin's hands. He popped up every now and again and then did some reports or something. Hell, even Garion was way more involved with news than him and it wasn't even his jurisdiction. I don't see how then his job became too much or whatever the reason was for extending the hierarchy even more. I have always said you need to go in the opposite direction and make the management hierarchy more compact rather than creating tons more management roles.

To add, maybe the coders can get some more recognition as it is a much harder job than the actual content design imo being in that dept.

[Alkaz]

Oli has summed everything up to be honest. My role has diversified to Habboxlive.com and slightly to the forum as well as the site. Because of that and because we now have more of an advisory role over the departments in our jurisdiction the position of the Content Design Manager (Which has been around for over 6 years) was reinstated as a separate role. People in the past have moaned that department managers don't have the freedom they used to as now everything has to go through the appropriate AGM. The changes to mine and Roxy's roles as AGM's I don't think will slow things down either. We're now more advisors rather than say a dictator to department managers. It shouldn't slow things down, hopefully it will speed things up giving department managers more freedom to do as they wish in their departments.

[Nixt]

The whole hierarchy is a piss up imo. I'll be honest with you and say Joe didn't do too much with news, it was more or less in mine or Martin's hands. He popped up every now and again and then did some reports or something. Hell, even Garion was way more involved with news than him and it wasn't even his jurisdiction. I don't see how then his job became too much or whatever the reason was for extending the hierarchy even more. I have always said you need to go in the opposite direction and make the management hierarchy more compact rather than creating tons more management roles.

To add, maybe the coders can get some more recognition as it is a much harder job than the actual content design imo being in that dept.

Oh, but that was my downfall Griggy, too involved, apparently!!

Personally I think it's a waste of time, no offence to Joe or Calvin, but I think the role of Content AGM was pretty pointless so now it's well... even more pointless. Perhaps Calvin will do a better job and we will actually see the Content Department doing something that is actually worth noting, rather than occasionally editing an article (often leaving behind SPAG mistakes and so forth anyway). Sounds harsh but it's true, I still think the role is obsolete and it would make sense to have a Site Manager and have relevant people maintain different parts of the site. Gonna copy and paste from my other thread:


We have V6 coming, that's the first key change. However I think the overall site management needs overhauling along with its introduction. I personally think the content department and position of content AGM (sorry Alkaz) is largely obsolete. Myke and Martin largely manage their departments very well and as far as I can remember both departments are largely self sufficient. This leaves the Content AGM as pretty much, the Content Manager and little else. I personally suggest dissolving the current content department upon V6 and doing the following:

Site Manager - Manages the site (duh!) in that he or she has a knowledge of the coding required to maintain it, and the technical ability to fix any bugs that may occur. Furthermore the Site Manager will be in charge of maintaining and tending to content. In all honesty (no offence to Content Designers) it's a job that doesn't require much and once the guides and so on are in place they require very little work. If SPAG is right first time what is there to do? Most of the things on the site will update manually, it just requires someone with a knowledge of how it all ticks (I would say HotelUser or Robbie for this job, as they are coders). It's nothing a Site Manager shouldn't be able to handle alone, or with the help of Dept ManagersOut of interest why the hell has the Content AGM been given responsibility for HabboxLive.com? Although it is inevitably going to be merged with Habbox.com itself and thus is part of the Site - it is predominantly community based and requires an AGM who is able to competently oversee it through past experience and knowledge. Something I personally think Alkaz lacks, he's never been involved in HabboxLive. If it is in regard to the content side of things on HabboxLive.com why isn't the Manager doing this as usual? If the Manager isn't doing it then there is an obvious issue.

Furthermore giving the Content AGM 'responsibility' for, what is it, notices and the FAQ? is the most absurd thing I have heard of - ever. Notices can be made by anyone with administrative powers when they are needed. Generally the Community AGM to announce Community events or the Forum Manager to indicate big changes to the forum / forum events. What the Content AGM has to do with anything is beyond me. It gets even more ridiculous when you consider the Content AGM has been given responsibility over the FAQ, the FAQ is all to do with the forum and its moderation. This should therefore be maintained by the Forum Manager (who, along with Oli, spent time coding and making it look nice).

Jin seems to be making some crazy arse decisions recently. Sure it will all work out lovely jubbly though, I'd just personally do it differently - and I know several other members of staff, across the 'ranks', would too. Someone has to be their voice right.

[immense]

he got my infractions reversed who cares

[Nixt]

he got my infractions reversed who cares

Probably the staff who issued them. Heard on the grape vine Jin has been coming along and reversing decisions then putting them back left, right and centre! But that is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

The fact is that Jin seems to be trying to change things, but the fact that he hasn't been around much has seriously messed with his understanding of what needs to happen. He is changing **** for the sake of changing it, thinking that might make things better but ultimately just changing it short term ignoring the long term benefits of more radical changes.

[immense]

yeah then they got put back

scammers

[Grig]

Oh, but that was my downfall Griggy, too involved, apparently!!

Personally I think it's a waste of time, no offence to Joe or Calvin, but I think the role of Content AGM was pretty pointless so now it's well... even more pointless. Perhaps Calvin will do a better job and we will actually see the Content Department doing something that is actually worth noting, rather than occasionally editing an article (often leaving behind SPAG mistakes and so forth anyway). Sounds harsh but it's true, I still think the role is obsolete and it would make sense to have a Site Manager and have relevant people maintain different parts of the site. Gonna copy and paste from my other thread:

Out of interest why the hell has the Content AGM been given responsibility for HabboxLive.com? Although it is inevitably going to be merged with Habbox.com itself and thus is part of the Site - it is predominantly community based and requires an AGM who is able to competently oversee it through past experience and knowledge. Something I personally think Alkaz lacks, he's never been involved in HabboxLive. If it is in regard to the content side of things on HabboxLive.com why isn't the Manager doing this as usual? If the Manager isn't doing it then there is an obvious issue.

Furthermore giving the Content AGM 'responsibility' for, what is it, notices and the FAQ? is the most absurd thing I have heard of - ever. Notices can be made by anyone with administrative powers when they are needed. Generally the Community AGM to announce Community events or the Forum Manager to indicate big changes to the forum / forum events. What the Content AGM has to do with anything is beyond me. It gets even more ridiculous when you consider the Content AGM has been given responsibility over the FAQ, the FAQ is all to do with the forum and its moderation. This should therefore be maintained by the Forum Manager (who, along with Oli, spent time coding and making it look nice).

Jin seems to be making some crazy arse decisions recently. Sure it will all work out lovely jubbly though, I'd just personally do it differently - and I know several other members of staff, across the 'ranks', would too. Someone has to be their voice right.

That's the thing, all Alkaz would do is go around our forums, act like he knows the news, post some thing and leave. He isn't a bad guy, but he doesn't has as much knowledge on departments managed. It was a problem with past AGMs too, that's why they rarely dived into the news area. You [Garion] actually knew news and could help us really efficiently and it wouldn't have been as good without a couple of your ideas. If I were owner I would get Oli to involve with news as he knows some stuff there (out of the current AGMs, back then it would have been Garion).

HabboxLive was always controlled by the radio manager, site wise. Hell, Adzeh used to make them himself, and it was good then because he knew the kind of content and exactly what would be listener friendly, with the kind of stuff needed on there.

I would re-vamp the content part of the site, as it seems to me like some do more, and others stay in for a fancy title of sorts. If content AGM is an advisor, I want this joke to end because seriously the advise is simply a hindrance. The managers are perfectably capable of making fully rational decisions.

[Nixt]

Could someone from General Management please explain and justify the extension of the Content AGM's duties? I'm curious to know...