Forum Updates

[AgnesIO]

I think it is a shame that the review was so short - considering the hype I was expecting something slightly better than what was given.

Now for this weeks updates - nothing special to be honest - I think FAQ reviews could be done without a thread! Although I think the question and answer system could do well - only time will tell! (it rhymes!!)

[immense]

who cares

nothing even remotely exciting and lmao at the forum update being really big

yep about 8 people were unbanned. surprised the server coped

[Jamesy]

I did want to do more but I was told no by higher ups. Disapointing for me too.

[immense]

tough luck we're blaming you

[flatface]

I think it's stupid that you have to wait till Sunday to get these little things updated, such as removing one word from the filter

[Jamesy]

tough luck we're blaming you

Oh thats fair enough. I'm not suggesting it's not my fault.

@Flatface - it doesn't have to be on a sunday, it's just easier to do it all at once.

[immense]

yeah and i see replies like "will be done on sunday" when it takes like 5mins lol

makes no sense

if the server goes down on monday do we have to wait 6 days for it to be rebooted

[flatface]

Oh thats fair enough. I'm not suggesting it's not my fault.

@Flatface - it doesn't have to be on a sunday, it's just easier to do it all at once.


yeah and i see replies like "will be done on sunday" when it takes like 5mins lol

makes no sense

if the server goes down on monday do we have to wait 6 days for it to be rebooted

this lol

[AgnesIO]

I did want to do more but I was told no by higher ups. Disapointing for me too.

Surely it was planned for like a month before it actually happened? So I would of thought, someone along the line would have realised calling it the 'Forum Review' - with more exciting updates and new things after the first week, was possibly a stupid thing to do. I don't want to put the blame on you, but sadly you are the Forum Manager.


yeah and i see replies like "will be done on sunday" when it takes like 5mins lol

makes no sense

if the server goes down on monday do we have to wait 6 days for it to be rebooted

Made me laugh that bottom bit. Rep if I can :)

[Jamesy]

If I move a forum mid way through the week and don't announce it, peope will question why its been moved. It's far easier for all involved if it occurs regularly. No I don't wait all week for bug fixes, that is just silly. If it can wait, it waits and I focus on the immediate jobs I have to do.

[GommeInc]

I did want to do more but I was told no by higher ups. Disapointing for me too.
Pfft, like they would notice :P Do it do it do it do it.

Also, since when was bollocks spelt as bollucks? Or was that word in there to stop people avoiding? Seems weird to announce a misspelling as being allowed now :P

[immense]

I don't think you have any immediate jobs to do to be honest. You should do them as and when you decide they are going to be done on Sunday and then just announce them on Sunday.

[flatface]

If I move a forum mid way through the week and don't announce it, peope will question why its been moved. It's far easier for all involved if it occurs regularly. No I don't wait all week for bug fixes, that is just silly. If it can wait, it waits and I focus on the immediate jobs I have to do.

Announce it at the time, surely? What more immediate jobs do you do, just out of curiosity? :)

[AgnesIO]

If I move a forum mid way through the week and don't announce it, peope will question why its been moved. It's far easier for all involved if it occurs regularly. No I don't wait all week for bug fixes, that is just silly. If it can wait, it waits and I focus on the immediate jobs I have to do.

When I read forum updates I hope for something interesting.

Why not have 'Minor Updates' as the sunday updates, and any big announcements actually make use of the dev. forum?

[immense]

Pfft, like they would notice :P Do it do it do it do it.

Also, since when was bollocks spelt as bollucks? Or was that word in there to stop people avoiding? Seems weird to announce a misspelling as being allowed now :P
he doesn't have the bollucks

[AgnesIO]

he doesn't have the bollucks

Bollucks. He has plenty.

[Jamesy]

Announce it at the time, surely? What more immediate jobs do you do, just out of curiosity? :)

Keeping track of moderators, dealing with complaints, any other business behind the scenes (for example dealing with the charities, skinning the christmas skin, planning other things).

[AgnesIO]

Keeping track of moderators, dealing with complaints, any other business behind the scenes (for example dealing with the charities, skinning the christmas skin, planning other things).

Moderation Manager -giggles-

[Apple]

I never did quite understand the ban review thing.

"If your ban was unfair at the time you can appeal it here"

As far as I am aware, that was the bottom line right? Well we could appeal unfair bans anyway. So what am I missing and what made the ban review so special?

[flatface]

Keeping track of moderators, dealing with complaints, any other business behind the scenes (for example dealing with the charities, skinning the christmas skin, planning other things).

You do have an assistant, can't the work balance be equally shared? Of course skinning takes a lot of time, but is sorting charity stuff and dealing with complaints actually that time consuming you can't do other updates like remove one word from the filter which will take under 5 minutes? :P

[GommeInc]

I never did quite understand the ban review thing.

"If your ban was unfair at the time you can appeal it here"

As far as I am aware, that was the bottom line right? Well we could appeal unfair bans anyway. So what am I missing and what made the ban review so special?
Basically old management ruling, you couldn't request an unban for some broken rules, even though many of the rules people got banned for were removed because they made no sense.

[Jamesy]

You do have an assistant, can't the work balance be equally shared? Of course skinning takes a lot of time, but is sorting charity stuff and dealing with complaints actually that time consuming you can't do other updates like remove one word from the filter which will take under 5 minutes? :P

Sarah is away currently, so her activity is limited. Otherwise yes that is the case with work shared equally :)

[Apple]

Basically old management ruling, you couldn't request an unban for some broken rules, even though many of the rules people got banned for were removed because they made no sense.

So before the forum review, if you appealed a ban on and old account and the reason for the ban was a hideous rule that no longer exists, the account would not be unbanned?

[immense]

Basically old management ruling, you couldn't request an unban for some broken rules, even though many of the rules people got banned for were removed because they made no sense.

even though some people who had 3/4 accounts banned and were previously autobanned because they had 30/40 infractions were allowed back with accounts merged. from this year too. i think it was just a case we'll unban you if you're not controversial type thing not on what you're banned for / current behaviour

[GommeInc]

even though some people who had 3/4 accounts banned and were previously autobanned because they had 30/40 infractions were allowed back with accounts merged. from this year too. i think it was just a case we'll unban you if you're not controversial type thing not on what you're banned for / current behaviour
Hmmm, maybe I hinted that the ruling behind it made sense :P All I remember was some people weren't unbanned because they were banned for something dispicable like swearing at a manager or they didn't do what they were told like change their avatar :P

[Grig]

Might of not done it at all, if it was for a benefit of only 8 members or so. Not saying it was a bad idea, saying it probably wouldn't have been as worth it, unless you go beyond and unban some more accounts that were unsuccessful in appealing yet still are potential candidates.

So is the whole forum re-vamp done then?

[Josh]

Apparently. The rest of the "review" got turned down by management.

[immense]

yet they advertised it in their sig lol (hecktix)

in other words jin said no

[Grig]

Huge shame there, things might have actually gone into a positive direction. It's an aspect I'm not a big fan of here, that some people are unwilling to try something more out of the box or something more hip and trendy to continue Habbox's strengths. Also slightly annoying as I was actually looking forward to some of these changes, as such a big hype was made over them ;[!

[Catzsy]

I don't think you have any immediate jobs to do to be honest. You should do them as and when you decide they are going to be done on Sunday and then just announce them on Sunday.

Since when did you become GM telling Jamesy what to do? Also as FM is a pretty busy role and a bit of appreciation wouldn't come amiss.


When I read forum updates I hope for something interesting.

Why not have 'Minor Updates' as the sunday updates, and any big announcements actually make use of the dev. forum?

Sunday Updates have been with us for ages. Why complicate things? Quite honestly there would be still be moaning if there wasn't any communication. It would be a 'where is the Sunday Updates thread? What's this 'have a go' at Jamesy day? Where is the management support for him in this thread guys or are you just leaving him to roast! :@

[Hecktix]

We don't leave staff to roast, Rosie :P Most managers have expressed interest in being able to "fight their own" battles in feedback and this thread is an example of Jamesy putting his points across well.

Anything I post would be pointless really as I would be simply repeating everything James has said, he's very busy running the moderation department, making new skins for the forum and planning new things to come to HabboxForum based on General Management reccommendation (I would know, I wrote their targets for Nov 2010). Speaking from experience, it's much easy to do updates collectively unless they are really minor things which won't really get noticed, by setting time aside for updates it ensures they get done and are easy to keep on top of.

Oh, and to date 18 accounts have been unbanned under the Forum Ban Review.

[immense]

Oh, and to date 18 accounts have been unbanned under the Forum Ban Review.

How many of them were existing members getting their old accounts back ;) I know -:Undertaker:- and Minstrels so that's two of the 18 who used the site daily anyway and therefore does nothing for the forum. If there aren't many more than the two I singled out, how many of them have actually come back who hadn't made a new account and started posting actively?

[Inseriousity.]

Where is the management support for him in this thread guys or are you just leaving him to roast! :@

lolol jamesy is a bit pale so could do with a bit of roasting. :P

Anyway yeah, it's not really Jamesy's fault if general management say no to his ideas tbh. I've learnt that trying to get them to change their mind and see it from your point of view is like pulling teeth. Shame, would be interesting to see what these ideas were though (I've only skimmed through the thread so don't know if it's been said already) cos I'd be curious to see if they'd have public support.

As for Sunday updates, I think people are overexaggerating a bit here. The Sunday updates are generally for the minor stuff that can be done on Sunday, if the forum was having a breakdown, you know full damn well that it wouldn't get left til Sunday.

[Hecktix]

How many of them were existing members getting their old accounts back ;) I know -:Undertaker:- and Minstrels so that's two of the 18 who used the site daily anyway and therefore does nothing for the forum. If there aren't many more than the two I singled out, how many of them have actually come back who hadn't made a new account and started posting actively?

A lot of people who appealed said in their appeal "since I've been banned I have only browsed hxf as a guest but would like to start posting again". It's up to them whether they come back or not, at least we're giving them the opportunity.

@ Mike, it wasn't General Management who said no, I drew up most of the review plans with Jamesy :P

[immense]

i'll say it because they're too scared. general management and forum management drew up plans to revamp forum. said it was going to be real exciting. jin said no.

[Inseriousity.]

A lot of people who appealed said in their appeal "since I've been banned I have only browsed hxf as a guest but would like to start posting again". It's up to them whether they come back or not, at least we're giving them the opportunity.

@ Mike, it wasn't General Management who said no, I drew up most of the review plans with Jamesy :P

I'm sorry, I kinda tend to put Jin in the General Management bracket cos of the green name. I knew what I meant :D
Even if it doesn't go ahead, giving us a look for the purpose of this thread into what those review plans were wouldn't hurt :)

[Chippiewill]

Announce it at the time, surely?
Have you never heard of Microsoft Patch Tuesdays and Adobe quarterly updates (They wish)? It's so convenient to release updates at the time.

[GommeInc]

Since when did you become GM telling Jamesy what to do? Also as FM is a pretty busy role and a bit of appreciation wouldn't come amiss.
Something is horribly wrong if being a forum manager for a fansite becomes a full-time job, or what can be considered "busy". In theory, it's meant to be an easy job provided you've got adequate systems in place. Heck, a forum manager shouldn't have to make hundreds of thousands of changes a week, but it depends if you can find the staff these days :P