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The Don
17-11-2010, 03:36 PM
People should have to have been a member of habbox forum for atleast a month before becoming staff. I'm seeing people becoming HABBOX Dj's after two weeks of being here. It's stupid. Surely you would have to show commitment to habbox before becoming habbox staff. And no, I haven't been rejected for any posistions at habbox before anyone says that's why I'm complaining.

koony
17-11-2010, 03:47 PM
Sounds fair I suppose. Staff yes, but I don't see what the fuss about Dj's is?

AgnesIO
17-11-2010, 03:49 PM
Sounds fair I suppose. Staff yes, but I don't see what the fuss about Dj's is?

DJ's are staff.

Callum.
17-11-2010, 03:49 PM
I'd rather them join staff right away if they're good enough than losing them to another fansite personally.

Josh
17-11-2010, 03:51 PM
Personally, I would love them to be part of the community then become staff. It would make the community so much better. But then, you have to think, would they even apply in the first place if they had to be around for a month?

DJs are hardly in the community at all and I would love them to be more involved.

koony
17-11-2010, 03:51 PM
DJ's are staff.

Staff as in staff yes. You make it sound like they are making everyone moderators though.

scottish
17-11-2010, 03:52 PM
aren't they basically desperate for staff now as hx is like dead

AgnesIO
17-11-2010, 03:53 PM
Staff as in staff yes. You make it sound like they are making everyone moderators though.

It sounds nothing like that?

Josh
17-11-2010, 03:53 PM
It sounds nothing like that?

I agree. I'm not sure what Koony's getting at.

Hecktix
17-11-2010, 03:53 PM
It would certainly get us more dedicated staff although I can't see it working too well. Jobs are what attract a lot of people to Habbox in the first place.

Calvin
17-11-2010, 03:54 PM
Forum jobs, fair enough. But I don't see the problem with them becoming staff in other departments as it's nothing to do with the forum so no need to be dedicated to the forum before.

New users will then be put off by jobs as they have to sign up and be active for X amount of time, and will end up applying somewhere else.

scottish
17-11-2010, 03:55 PM
staff should be active on the forum anyways

so if they don't know how to work the forum they should be told to **** off.

AgnesIO
17-11-2010, 03:56 PM
Forum jobs, fair enough. But I don't see the problem with them becoming staff in other departments as it's nothing to do with the forum so no need to be dedicated to the forum before.

New users will then be put off by jobs as they have to sign up and be active for X amount of time, and will end up applying somewhere else.

If the staff are not posting, why the **** would anyone else?

There is only one forum department - and that has six staff members..

Conservative,
17-11-2010, 03:56 PM
If I had to be a member for a month, I probably wouldn't have applied for HxL. That is my honest answer. I quit habbo, but I came back because I got into HxL.

I can understand why, but to be honest, as someone in the first page said, I'd rather have them come here after a few days on the forum than lose them to another fansite because they can't be bothered to wait.

Josh
17-11-2010, 03:58 PM
@Skizzling If you aren't going to be dedicated or active on the forums... what are you going to do then?

koony
17-11-2010, 03:58 PM
My bad, was referring to The Don's suggestion.

Calvin
17-11-2010, 03:58 PM
If the staff are not posting, why the **** would anyone else?

There is only one forum department - and that has six staff members..They post now and again, but it is not their problem to post around the forum all the time. Oli has tried to get other members of staff to post more but some don't post as perhaps they don't like it so much so shouldn't be forced.

And you're not forced to post. :)

@Josh, they should not be forced to post on the forum. Most DJs have other things to do aswell as DJing mind?

Samantha
17-11-2010, 04:02 PM
If I had to be a member for a month, I probably wouldn't have applied for HxL. That is my honest answer. I quit habbo, but I came back because I got into HxL.

I can understand why, but to be honest, as someone in the first page said, I'd rather have them come here after a few days on the forum than lose them to another fansite because they can't be bothered to wait.

I differ there, but then again I didn't want to be staff straight away as I hadn't been on a proper Habbo fansite before I had no idea what to expect. I think it was 3 months before I even considered being staff - then it took me five/six months after that to actually become staff for five months.

Also, I sort of agree and disagree. I see staff making 'Welcome' threads and they only have a couple of posts, I don't like that - it reminds me of some fansites where jobs are promised for people and I hated it.
On the other hand, I thought you could apply for dj on HxL then sign up to the forum, I may be wrong, however, I would like to see HxL dj's active like some are i.e. Robbie, Yuxin, etc (first two names I thought of sorry) and actually getting to know the members because at the end of the day HxL dj's are actual people talking to the listeners that's where it differs from other staff.

However, I don't think a fixed time should be put in place.

Inseriousity.
17-11-2010, 04:04 PM
In an ideal world, yeah, they should be on the forum, posting, active. However, this can't always be the case. I don't think any manager (Habboxlive, Forum, Competitions etc) would throw away what could potentially be a really good member of staff simply because they're not integrated into the community. We'd encourage that later and 9 times out of 10, they do start to get involved. No point making a new rule for the extra 1/10 imo

Samantha
17-11-2010, 04:07 PM
In my opinion, this is just like what happened with Apple, regardless of how long he had been on the forum, he got the job (not saying that's a bad thing). The forum manager (can't remember if it was Jamesy) saw potential in him and he was active.
So again I do not think a rule should be enforced.

AgnesIO
17-11-2010, 04:08 PM
They should HAVE to post at least a few times a week..

I know for a fact when I joined the forum, seeing and talking to staff made me want to say. As a younger person you want to interact with 'people high up'

Alex3213
17-11-2010, 04:12 PM
Why? Sure, it'll be nice for them to be around on the forum a lot more, it would be nice for them to be active with posts etc. Is it ideal? Sure, I've just said that. Is it needed? No. The amount of people who come into HxHD asking for jobs, being directed to certain pages and realising they need to sign up is an immense amount and they join the forum because of it. Not because of the community, not because of the competitions, not because of their friends: because of jobs. The things before may be other main things which they are introduced to later on but the main reason is because they can apply to become part of the Habbox team and make a difference for it. Why am I waffling? Because you don't need to be registered for x y and z to become a DJ, a Competitions Staff, an Events Organiser, a News Reporter, a Content Designer (despite the Habbox pages there are plenty of resources for research and there are Habbo pages too), a Graphics Designer, a Rare Values Reporter or a Help Desk Staff (despite the small things needed for Habbox). The only one which really requires this is a Forum Moderator- they say 3 months anyway (and please, spare me my soul and don't bring up the Apple situation anyone) and it seems a perfectly reasonable amount. So yeah, I think it's fine! :)

GommeInc
17-11-2010, 04:19 PM
I am against this. It should be how good you are at the job. However, I feel that if you do become a member of staff right away, you should be actively involved in the community just as any other member of staff. Afterall, that's the whole point of a fansite and a forum. You are meant to get involved with the community you're supporting, and if you cannot get involved then you should probably stay clear from any website work where community is a #1 aspect.

Alkaz
17-11-2010, 04:25 PM
A year before I got my first job I left the forum after a couple of days because I didn't really like it. A year later and within a week I was working at Habbox. Four years later I am still staff so I think people not being active initially before becoming staff isn't always a massive problem. Like someone said, in an ideal world it would be good but I think doing this would just put more people off of the idea than encourage them.

The Don
17-11-2010, 04:44 PM
I just think it doesn't look very profesional. Oh look, a habbox live dj, oh wait they have only been part of the habbox community for one week and they have three posts, one of which is a welcome thread. It's unprofesional,like how desperate fansites are run.

scottish
17-11-2010, 04:47 PM
they are desp for staff, just not taking any effort to hide it lol

Alex3213
17-11-2010, 04:48 PM
I just think it doesn't look very profesional. Oh look, a habbox live dj, oh wait they have only been part of the habbox community for one week and they have three posts, one of which is a welcome thread. It's unprofesional,like how desperate fansites are run.

Yes but my point is that a considerable percentage apply to be Habbox Staff. If they will have to wait a whole month to apply for one job, I applied for someone but if I knew you could become staff beforehand and that person didn't introduce me, I would have only registered to become Habbox Staff. Nothing more.

GommeInc
17-11-2010, 04:48 PM
I just think it doesn't look very profesional. Oh look, a habbox live dj, oh wait they have only been part of the habbox community for one week and they have three posts, one of which is a welcome thread. It's unprofesional,like how desperate fansites are run.
Depends what you mean by professional. If they do a superb job, then it is professional. It's just not very wise to give someone a job straight away without socialising with the community, which is what I agree with. Afterall, a fansite is created to serve a community interested in a certain topic, and seeing as Habbo is a social community you expect a bit of socialising with the community between staff and members alike.

A back end job doesn't require you to socialise with the community, but DJs, News Reporters, Forum Staff and anything on the front end of a fansite requires a good deal of socialising - before and/or after being hired.

Josh
17-11-2010, 04:50 PM
People who have been in community longer usually have best chances of a job anyway. Most department changes (except HxL) are already established members. This leads me to believe, Habbox doesn't need a policy for this.

The Don
17-11-2010, 04:51 PM
Yes but my point is that a considerable percentage apply to be Habbox Staff. If they will have to wait a whole month to apply for one job, I applied for someone but if I knew you could become staff beforehand and that person didn't introduce me, I would have only registered to become Habbox Staff. Nothing more.

A month isn't that long and if they aren't willing to wait then they aren't going to be commited staff and they shouldn't work for habbox in the first place if they aren't commited. If they only wan't to be part of habbox to brag about being a member of an official habbo fansite then they shouldn't be here.

Mr-Trainor
17-11-2010, 04:59 PM
I disagree. Someone may have been using Habbox for 1 year but only using the forum for 1 week. They shouldn't then be denied a position in a department just because they have only been on the forum for 1 week. This obviously does not apply to the Forum department though!

Calvin
17-11-2010, 05:08 PM
Guy applies for a job, they look at the application and think "Oh, he's just came and applied, never seen him before - No" I don't think so. It will just put people off.

Inseriousity.
17-11-2010, 05:16 PM
I just think it doesn't look very profesional. Oh look, a habbox live dj, oh wait they have only been part of the habbox community for one week and they have three posts, one of which is a welcome thread. It's unprofesional,like how desperate fansites are run.

It's not unprofessional to hire someone where it appears that they've only been a part of the community for a week. While it's the main part of the community, the community is not exclusive to the forum. There's HabboxLive and Habbo where they get involved in that community instead, especially the DJs. What may be a user with only 3 posts and a welcome thread here is actually someone who's been listening to HabboxLive, going to HxL parties for far longer. As I type this, there are probably people sitting in HxHD who have never been on the forum even though they're aware of Habbox and they've been involved with the Habbo side of things for a while.

Managers hire on potential and that potential is not found in the corner of the application with the 'Posts: 3' or 'Join Date: Nov 2010', it's found inside the application. You have mentioned how you haven't failed an application yet and that's probably because managers, while they hire on potential, if they can avoid it, they'd prefer to hire on someone who's active and integrated into the community already. As this is the case, I don't see the need for a rule to be put in place.

sammy
17-11-2010, 05:18 PM
A really bad idea imo, I only applied for the forum because I was going to apply as a DJ and same as Robbie, I probably wouldn't have applied if I knew I had to "get involved" with the forum when I didn't really want to at that time. It'd be ridiculous to turn down a good application because someone had never posted before, especially in a department like HxL which doesn't really require you to post on here anyway.

If a staff member doesn't want to post on here I don't really think they should be forced to; sometimes the forum is a bit intimidating especially for younger users and I think if they don't want to get involved on here then, as long as they're not forum staff obv, they shouldn't have to :P.

Richie
17-11-2010, 05:31 PM
I agree but in fairness they are gagging for staff

Mathew
17-11-2010, 05:34 PM
While the forum is considered to be at the centre - the meeting point - of all three Habbox sites; they are all different and seperate.

Doesn't this just lead back to the old argument that "the forum is being treated as the main site when it should be Habbox.com"?

Gina
17-11-2010, 05:49 PM
I think this is an idea, If you dont know anything about habbox and you became something like hxhd and someone asks about hxf how are they suppose to know?

Jin
17-11-2010, 06:09 PM
This is our official stance on this.

Only forum moderators are required to have experience on the forum before applying, other members of staff are not required to have registered on the forum before hand as it does not change their skill or ability to do their job.

My first job with Habbox was as a writer (for the now closed Articles department) prior to that, despite that I used habbox for its rare values, I never used the forum as there was nothing I needed from it.

Whether a person has a forum account or not it wouldn't make a difference to their skill, an example of this would be our lovely forum manager and general manager's recent dire attempt at a radio show despite both experience forumers and dedicated staff.

If staff aren't dedicated enough and by that I mean they don't meet the minimum weekly requirements for their position then they will be warned and subsequently dismissed or in terms of a trialist they will fail their trial.

In terms of the help desk, no member of staff is expected to know everything. They do have the option to say "I am not sure" or words to that effect and can go find out themselves.

Restricting staff to just forum members would severely restrict our potential applicants and would likely leave is short staffed.

Thanks for the feedback :)

Sacha
17-11-2010, 07:04 PM
I agree with Jin, if you turn down a good DJ because they haven't used forum for long then you could in fact lose a valuable member of staff to another fansite, it's pointles.

The Don
17-11-2010, 07:11 PM
Ok, fair enough, it shouldn't limit the applicants but ALL staff who have an active role on habbo should have a minimum weekly posting requirement.

Stephen
17-11-2010, 07:16 PM
Imo I think it's cos you use hxf, you talk to staff in threads etc and just think that any staff who don't use hxf aren't proper staff. In otherwords you're a confused little bear

Conservative,
17-11-2010, 07:28 PM
I got hired without a single post and now look at me.

I agree staff SHOULD interact but you can't force them.

Plus it doesn't alway make you popular as I've learnt lol.

Jin
17-11-2010, 08:01 PM
Ok, fair enough, it shouldn't limit the applicants but ALL staff who have an active role on habbo should have a minimum weekly posting requirement.

That is something we can't force them to do, don't forget our staff are dedicated volunteers if it is not a requirement for the position they are volunteering for we can't ask of them to spend extra time to engage on the forum. It is nice if they do and granted some of them frequently post in the public domain in areas they have a keen interest in like James, David and Matt in the tech section.

But others may not have the time, up until 48 hours ago I didn't have the time to post on the public side socially and I have Mondays and Fridays off, with only 12 hours of commitments in a week. The rest of the time I am purely too busy doing things out of the public view or in my own time to find the time to post.

Now apply that to the average habbox staff member who will have evening and weekends free, in that time they need to get done everything they need to do school wise, meet minimum Habbox weekly contribution requirements and whatever else teens do in their spare time (which I am largely assuming currently is Call of Duty: Black Ops).

If they wish to post public side that is entirely their choice but not a requirement we would force, but may politely request.

GommeInc
17-11-2010, 08:04 PM
Ok, fair enough, it shouldn't limit the applicants but ALL staff who have an active role on habbo should have a minimum weekly posting requirement.
That would be difficult to moderate and make Habbox a miserable place to work for. You should never force staff to do anything beyond their duties, especially with a system like this. The idea is reduce the dependence on strict systems, not make more of them.

Hanne
17-11-2010, 08:07 PM
I don't think this is fair as I am new here but I know a lot about Habbo so would be good for Habbo related jobs. Those who are new got great at graphics do not need to be a regular forum member as long as they produce the graphics in time.

Alex3213
17-11-2010, 08:44 PM
I post because I want to, not cos I have to. It'd turn into a chore and things like that so why? It'll increase activity, not staff morale. Which one's more important on a staff point of view?

The Don
17-11-2010, 08:48 PM
That is something we can't force them to do, don't forget our staff are dedicated volunteers if it is not a requirement for the position they are volunteering for we can't ask of them to spend extra time to engage on the forum. It is nice if they do and granted some of them frequently post in the public domain in areas they have a keen interest in like James, David and Matt in the tech section.

But others may not have the time, up until 48 hours ago I didn't have the time to post on the public side socially and I have Mondays and Fridays off, with only 12 hours of commitments in a week. The rest of the time I am purely too busy doing things out of the public view or in my own time to find the time to post.

Now apply that to the average habbox staff member who will have evening and weekends free, in that time they need to get done everything they need to do school wise, meet minimum Habbox weekly contribution requirements and whatever else teens do in their spare time (which I am largely assuming currently is Call of Duty: Black Ops).

If they wish to post public side that is entirely their choice but not a requirement we would force, but may politely request.

Ok, fair enough, but shouldn't keep intouch with the public be part of the role rather than an 'extra' chore? I know that when I was a DJ here I always tried to keep active unless I was away. But when I was here, I always posted around the forum, was nice and friendly to everyone etc. You know?

Anyway, your the boss, and it's your decision, I just feel that staff who are on habbo representing habbox should also be active around habbox forum.

Hanne
17-11-2010, 08:50 PM
Ok, fair enough, but shouldn't keep intouch with the public be part of the role rather than an 'extra' chore? I know that when I was a DJ here I always tried to keep active unless I was away. But when I was here, I always posted around the forum, was nice and friendly to everyone etc. You know?

Anyway, your the boss, and it's your decision, I just feel that staff who are on habbo representing habbox should also be active around habbox forum.

Habbox is the main site. HabboxForum is just another department.

The Don
17-11-2010, 09:00 PM
Habbox is the main site. HabboxForum is just another department.

Habbox forum is where everyone communicates with each other and staff should be representing themselves on here just as much as on habbo.

Jin
17-11-2010, 09:03 PM
Ok, fair enough, but shouldn't keep intouch with the public be part of the role rather than an 'extra' chore? I know that when I was a DJ here I always tried to keep active unless I was away. But when I was here, I always posted around the forum, was nice and friendly to everyone etc. You know.

Which is good of you and yes the moderators are required to add their 2 cents where it is appreciated but I think its the group effort that matters. It is simply unreal to be active on forum, habbo, habbox with neglecting things in life which are more important such as socialising and education. The radio DJ's do a good job connecting with their listeners, the site content depts to a good job connecting with the readers, the community depts do a good job connecting with the habbo users.

Ultimately, the staff that are on habbo should make their priorities, representing habbox on habbo. The forum should be for everyone to enjoy I certainly don't want the staff to feel like it is another thing they must work at.

The Don
17-11-2010, 09:07 PM
Which is good of you and yes the moderators are required to add their 2 cents where it is appreciated but I think its the group effort that matters. It is simply unreal to be active on forum, habbo, habbox with neglecting things in life which are more important such as socialising and education. The radio DJ's do a good job connecting with their listeners, the site content depts to a good job connecting with the readers, the community depts do a good job connecting with the habbo users.

Ultimately, the staff that are on habbo should make their priorities, representing habbox on habbo. The forum should be for everyone to enjoy I certainly don't want the staff to feel like it is another thing they must work at.

Ah fair enough, I guess your right. Aslong as everyone's doing their part then it should be fine.

Nice sig btw.

nvrspk4
18-11-2010, 03:20 AM
I don't feel like reading through 6 pages to make this point, I read three, so apologies if someone has already mentioned this. Many times DJs are recruited from other sites or they only use the radio/site and therefore are requested to create a forum account after their application is reviewed and accepted. Therefore, its not like they create an account and get the job, they created the account because they got the job. And I don't think that's such a bad thing, especially when its the case where we recruit people from other fansites. The DJs have a tendency to become very active on the forum (not all of them, but some).

Hecktix
18-11-2010, 01:17 PM
I don't feel like reading through 6 pages to make this point, I read three, so apologies if someone has already mentioned this. Many times DJs are recruited from other sites or they only use the radio/site and therefore are requested to create a forum account after their application is reviewed and accepted. Therefore, its not like they create an account and get the job, they created the account because they got the job. And I don't think that's such a bad thing, especially when its the case where we recruit people from other fansites. The DJs have a tendency to become very active on the forum (not all of them, but some).

This is completely correct, I think some of the more dominant figures in the Habbox community have (in the past at least) stemmed from the radio

iRaaave.
18-11-2010, 01:28 PM
I agree with this although many people have different accounts that they prob cant get into anymore :} (like me)

-:Undertaker:-
18-11-2010, 09:49 PM
Hire people based on their ability, not their join date.

,Lexiilu
19-11-2010, 08:28 PM
tbh dj's do do a lot of work, as does all the other staff, and i think that having a certain post amount or length amount would drive them away. obviously if they're applying, they're willing to do the work and we need that. we can't afford to lose more people that would be good just based on the fact that they've only been here two weeks. i knew nothing about hxf when i applied. all i knew was that it was a uk fansite for habbo. i didn't even HAVE a legit uk habbo that matched my forum name until two months after i joined HxL (,LexiiLu). there's never been a time limit rule so why start now, especially when we're in such dire need of good dj's? i highly doubt i would've applied if there had been one. i was a member on the forum for four days before i got accepted for a trial. the only reason i signed up is because i wanted one.

@ the people saying give staff a post count, we have enough to do honestly. school, our real social lives, dj'ing (for hxl), some of us have other jobs in other departments, and 'higher up' staff has extra duties, like senior dj's have reports and other things to do. tbh it'd just be a pain to have to worry about another thing on top of it.

Casanova
19-11-2010, 08:33 PM
I think you should have to be a member of the community for three months, considering now habbox is the forum now and not the site (what's concentrated on, where the traffic comes).

I think you're open to abuse if you allow people onto staff too quick.

Chippiewill
19-11-2010, 08:48 PM
I think you're open to abuse if you allow people onto staff too quick.

I agree, such as the recent leak of the HxHD staff entrance password, you have to do everything possible to make sure you can trust people (Within reason).

ChickenFaces
19-11-2010, 09:11 PM
Makes sense, so they'll be familiar with rules and things of that nature. It's a good idea.

-:Undertaker:-
19-11-2010, 09:14 PM
I think you should have to be a member of the community for three months, considering now habbox is the forum now and not the site (what's concentrated on, where the traffic comes).

I think you're open to abuse if you allow people onto staff too quick.

This is only a Habbo fansite, not the HQ of MI6 - are we really that afraid of a password leak to a room on Habbo?

"Look at me, i'm standing behind the HxHD desk", most people couldn't care less. The reason why people go and do it is because of such the overeaction by HxHD staff and Habbox in general, so when people do it - watching everyone get wound up/panic over nothing is the reason they do it because its funny.

Mrs.McCall
19-11-2010, 09:53 PM
I haven't read it all but I will admit I only joined to apply for a job. Some staff members aren't huge fans of posting on the forum, they just wanna do what they enjoy doing. I don't see the problem with that as long as they do their job properly and it helps the site.

Chippiewill
19-11-2010, 10:25 PM
This is only a Habbo fansite, not the HQ of MI6 - are we really that afraid of a password leak to a room on Habbo?

They're pretty secretive, you have to be subjected to a strip searchs and have a background check before you're allowed to work on V6, something about the secret sauce I expect



"Look at me, i'm standing behind the HxHD desk", most people couldn't care less.

a) Many people use it to work out who is HxHD staff
b) If people abuse it to advertise scams then it gives a bad name for habbox and is unfair to the habbos who lose der furnis which they spent their hard earned mobile credit on.
c) HxHD desk is just an example, it could have been far worse.


The reason why people go and do it is because of such the overeaction by HxHD staff and Habbox in general, so when people do it - watching everyone get wound up/panic over nothing is the reason they do it because its funny.
Some people have more malicious intent.

Jin
20-11-2010, 03:25 PM
One change over one isolated incident involving a disgruntled user isn't going to make us change our hiring methods. The reasons for this have been made clear.

We hire on ability not post count or join date because those factors are just pointless when it comes to screening staff.

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