New Mods

[rnix]

Can i ask why we have 8 mods now? (And 2 SMODS)
Thought the whole forum review was too have 3 of each? :S
Just doesn't make sense since someone left because you made it 3&3 yet you hire a couple of trials?:S

[Sarah]

I presume they are reverting back to the old system :)

[Hecktix]

I presume they are reverting back to the old system :)

Not quite. We made it quite clear that we were trialing a new system with the forum when we did the forum review, we have decided that the system didn't work therefore we have tried another new system, which is closer to the old system but not the exact same. All you need to know really though is that category moderators are back.

[Richie]

right what the ****, I'm actually confused as **** lol


I thought

mr-trainor
recurission
catszy


were mods alrdy ;s, since when did they leave?


oh and who the hell is JIM and why is he co-owner

and i thought martin left, sarah got assistant forum manager and now martins assistant again, jesus keep me up to date :'(

[Martin]

right what the ****, I'm actually confused as **** lol


I thought

mr-trainor
recurission
catszy


were mods alrdy ;s, since when did they leave?


oh and who the hell is JIM and why is he co-owner

and i thought martin left, sarah got assistant forum manager and now martins assistant again, jesus keep me up to date :'(


LOL Richie keep up!


mr-trainor
recurission
catszy
and infact con

were all previously members of the moderation team, with the top three being smods at one point, although they left and are now back!

Due to the fact that moderation methods and things concerning the department continuously change, it was decided that they would be back on trial basis.

It really is lovely to see so many old faces returning along with some new ones, and as Oli said we are looking at restructuring the system slightly since things were beginning to slip under the previous new one.

Overall things are pretty exciting at the moment! :)

[Callum.]

think there should be more new additions to the team rather than old ones keep coming back. most older ones who come back just leave again anyway. pick up habbox here and when they want too.

[Richie]

think there should be more new additions to the team rather than old ones keep coming back. most older ones who come back just leave again anyway. pick up habbox here and when they want too.

its better than having 12yr old power abusing *****s, wait that still applys for older mods.


im joking mods chill lol

[Hecktix]

think there should be more new additions to the team rather than old ones keep coming back. most older ones who come back just leave again anyway. pick up habbox here and when they want too.

From my experience within the department returning mods tend to do a better job overall than any new mod - most returning mods do a better job the second time round than they did the first time round too.

[Richie]

From my experience within the department returning mods tend to do a better job overall than any new mod - most returning mods do a better job the second time round than they did the first time round too.

that's not very fair on new mods applying though lol gives them less chance of making the team. If the mods returning gave two ***** they wouldn't of left to begin with lol.

[Catzsy]

that's not very fair on new mods applying though lol gives them less chance of making the team. If the mods returning gave two ***** they wouldn't of left to begin with lol.

Not quite true, Richie. People have different priorities in life sometimes and have to juggle things around and there are all sorts of reasons that prompts them to leave. From my point of view things on this forum are now very much heading in the right direction. It would be even more hypocritical to mod a forum where there are basic fundamental disagreements on the system and how it works to make it fair for everyone. Not saying I was right as it is a very subjective thing, though. :) Thanks all.

[Mark]

How were these mods picked when apps didn't even open? :L Even though I have nothing but congrats towards the mods I'm confused how the heck they were chosen? :S

[Jordan]

How were these mods picked when apps didn't even open? :L Even though I have nothing but congrats towards the mods I'm confused how the heck they were chosen? :S

I was like, 'oh' when I saw new moderators, I'm trying hard to get in but It never works anyway. D:

[Alex3213]

How were these mods picked when apps didn't even open? :L Even though I have nothing but congrats towards the mods I'm confused how the heck they were chosen? :S

By reccomendations / reporting many posts I guess, maybe some old moderators asked to return if there was a space available or something. Likelyhood anyway! :) Edan (Yoshimitsui) once told me that posting a lot on the forum, especially in feedback commenting on suggestions freely minded and reporting posts was a good way to get noticed or that you have potential to be a moderator.

It's good to see there's more moderators: it makes sense.

[Mark]

I was like, 'oh' when I saw new moderators, I'm trying hard to get in but It never works anyway. D:

Likewise...


By reccomendations / reporting many posts I guess, maybe some old moderators asked to return if there was a space available or something. Likelyhood anyway! :) Edan (Yoshimitsui) once told me that posting a lot on the forum, especially in feedback commenting on suggestions freely minded and reporting posts was a good way to get noticed or that you have potential to be a moderator.

It's good to see there's more moderators: it makes sense.

If that is the case where is the need in apps?
Also, I don't really see the point in how Sarah resigned and the next day came back as an SMOD? Why didn't she just get demoted? I think other Moderators should have been considered before making her SMOD imo. No offence to Sarah in any shape or form I'm just a little confused on the situation as a whole...

[Samantha]

I don't see how 'no new mod' is capable but HotelUser was a new mod and now is a SMOD? He deserves it but it isn't fair in saying no new mod is capable.

Also, Mr-Trainor was SMOD Catzsy was AGM (C) so maybe they just returned to the department, which I have nothing against. :)

[xxMATTGxx]

Likewise...



If that is the case where is the need in apps?
Also, I don't really see the point in how Sarah resigned and the next day came back as an SMOD? Why didn't she just get demoted? I think other Moderators should have been considered before making her SMOD imo. No offence to Sarah in any shape or form I'm just a little confused on the situation as a whole...


Because there isn't always people who would like to return or theres no good recommendations at the time and that is why applications are open to find the correct people for the job. In regards of Sarah, yes that could of taken place but I'm sure at the time she just wanted to resign and that was it but we all change our minds within minutes/hours and what not so not really a problem. :P

[Alex3213]

Likewise...



If that is the case where is the need in apps?
Also, I don't really see the point in how Sarah resigned and the next day came back as an SMOD? Why didn't she just get demoted? I think other Moderators should have been considered before making her SMOD imo. No offence to Sarah in any shape or form I'm just a little confused on the situation as a whole...

Apps are a secondary figure in my honest opinion just like Habbox Help Desk. Reccomendations and showing it with primary evidence rather than just writing something down is always gonna be better. I'm sure other Moderators were considered but Sarah was AFM and then came back within around 48 hours, Lizzie came back as SS and it was around a week. I don't see the problem really. :)

[Hecktix]

How were these mods picked when apps didn't even open? :L Even though I have nothing but congrats towards the mods I'm confused how the heck they were chosen? :S

Moderator applications were open the week before last, the moderators were chosen from those applications apart from Catzsy and Con who asked to return.

Samanfa - nobody said "no new mod isnt capable" - that would be a rather silly thing to say.

Whoever said we should have given others a chance over Sarah, are you joking? We aim to get the best moderators and the best Super Moderators therefore if there's an opportunity to hire someone who would be an excellent super moderator who has only just resigned from the department, we'll damn well do it. There is no ladder system in the mod department, you don't get Super Moderator for being in the department for a certain amount of time, hell we'd get a lot of complaints then. Super Moderator is a highly prestigious role and takes a lot of work, talent and trust. We aren't going to hand it out willy nilly.

[Minstrels]

Great to see Catzsy back, one of the best moderators this forum has ever had, comes with no hidden agendas.

[AgnesIO]

I seem to remember being flamed for saying the 'new method' wouldn't work by general management.

Oh woops lol

[Samantha]

From my experience within the department returning mods tend to do a better job overall than any new mod - most returning mods do a better job the second time round than they did the first time round too.


Could have been worded better Oli. Of course they will do a better job overall as they have had the experience. I'm not arguing or anything, and I'm glad they have returned. :).

[Mr-Trainor]

I don't see how 'no new mod' is capable but HotelUser was a new mod and now is a SMOD? He deserves it but it isn't fair in saying no new mod is capable.
Moderators who return and are not new will obviously have experience but I agree with what you're saying. A new mod won't be as capable as a previous one but that's only because they're new. Once they've got to grips with how the department is run and how to carry out their roles, they'll easily be as good as or maybe even better than the previous moderators. Having a trial is what allows this to happen :).


Moderator applications were open the week before last, the moderators were chosen from those applications apart from Catzsy and Con who asked to return.
I wasn't chosen from the apps either :P.

[Jamesy]

Edan (Yoshimitsui) once told me that posting a lot on the forum, especially in feedback commenting on suggestions freely minded and reporting posts was a good way to get noticed or that you have potential to be a moderator.




I wasn't chosen from the apps either :P.

This is why Luke :). Everyone else has summarised the reasoning behind this all so beautifully I'm unable to add much.

@Milestone - you can have the luxury of sitting there and saying "told you so" lol. We tried it, things didn't work, we try something new and thats how things go. I don't regret changing things so long as we progress onwards, and I know Oli and everyone else feels the same :)

[AgnesIO]

This is why Luke :). Everyone else has summarised the reasoning behind this all so beautifully I'm unable to add much.

@Milestone - you can have the luxury of sitting there and saying "told you so" lol. We tried it, things didn't work, we try something new and thats how things go. I don't regret changing things so long as we progress onwards, and I know Oli and everyone else feels the same :)

Not picking an argument - just it is sort of a nice feeling when I was one of the few that refused to agree it would work :P However, I like that you have gone back to the old way (well pretty much) when you realised it didn't work.

That to me, says how well you are doing your job!

[Intoxicated]

I think if you know from experience that someone is a good moderator, then they should have priority than a person who will have to be trained afterall, everyone want's the best for the forum and having the best moderators and super moderators possible will ensure that the forum is being moderated properly and fairly. Also, if someone resigns, and then change their mind like everybody does, the staff should accept that person back as they know they are a good moderator! Congratulations mod's, I'm sure you will all do a great job.

[FlyingJesus]

There is no ladder system in the mod department, you don't get Super Moderator for being in the department for a certain amount of time, hell we'd get a lot of complaints then. Super Moderator is a highly prestigious role and takes a lot of work, talent and trust. We aren't going to hand it out willy nilly.

Glad this is actually being said plain and clear at last, seen far too many "OMG WHY ISN'T [ some noob ] GETTING THE PROMOTION??!>" threads about people who've been part of teams for a long time. Also lol you said willy

[Richie]

In any department as soon as someone resigns and its offical they shouldn't be allowed to return in a high position. They should be able to return, yes. But as normal staff. It makes no sense, I don't give a **** if someones having a bad day and they decide to resign in a childish strop, that's their loss. Next time round they'll think it through. It should be a lesson learnt by all. If I was a normal mod and Sarah came back a day later as a position higher than me, I'd be offended not because I'm a power ***** ( I am a power ***** ) but because it just seems like they can come and go in high positions whenever they want. Sort out your priorities. Before anyone replies saying 'they are the best person for the job' that's ******** its all about power, they could do a fantastic job as normal staff but chose to come back in a higher position because of the power.

If habbox was really so professional they wouldn't have management come and go as they please, you wouldn't see a tesco manager leave then decide to come back a week later, it just doesn't work like that. The next person in line would get the job, fair enough they could apply to be in a managements position but habbox doesn't have that option so either or it should be allowed.

capiche?

[Grig]

Excellent decisions here. Zero causes for complaints what so ever. These are all great mods and trusted and dedicated people. The forum seems to be straddling into the right direction now :).

To add, all department managers experiment, I've done it in my time with Martin and so has everyone else. You get things that work out so brilliantly, you just want to pat yourself on the back, then there are things that don't and that's the beauty of it. As you tend to try out new things, you get a sound knowledge base over what works and what doesn't really do so.

So kudos I say, keep it up :D!

[Robbie]

Great to see Catzsy back, one of the best moderators this forum has ever had, comes with no hidden agendas.

WHO ARE YOU FORGETTING, MATTHEW?

[Callum.]

it just sums up habbox tbh. staff love to go through the drama of leaving, then picking it back up later when they realise they shoulda stayed, like the latest one, focus on a subject was it? bit silly really, ofcourse they're going to be better than a new mod, but it all comes in time etc. the amount of times people leave and come back is terrible, sort it out.

not that i have anything against them, recursion was probably my favourite moderator, catzsy can obviously do her job well, trainor is a good personality around the forum.

[Grig]

it just sums up habbox tbh. staff love to go through the drama of leaving, then picking it back up later when they realise they shoulda stayed. bit silly really, ofcourse they're going to be better than a new mod, but it all comes in time etc. the amount of times people leave and come back is terrible, sort it out.

One thing I know about Habbox is that some people pour heart and soul over the fansite and genuinely love working here, so when they have to come to a decision to leave it is two way battle over getting themselves to leave.

I've been caught red-handed doing the same thing once myself. There's nothing to sort out in terms of it, maybe a bit more management pressure to stay- sorted it like that for a few of my staff.

[Callum.]

One thing I know about Habbox is that some people pour heart and soul over the fansite and genuinely love working here, so when they have to come to a decision to leave it is two way battle over getting themselves to leave.

I've been caught red-handed doing the same thing once myself. There's nothing to sort out in terms of it, maybe a bit more management pressure to stay- sorted it like that for a few of my staff.

yeah it's quite easy to see that. staff are bigger addicts than like richie

[Inseriousity.]

maybe a bit more management pressure to stay- sorted it like that for a few of my staff.

I disagree tbh. I'd rather train someone new who actually wanted to be there than someone who had that conflict of "should I stay or should I go?". I now have a policy of making any ex-staff apply like everyone else if they resign and want to come back. It filters out those who do want to come back from those who can't be bothered and want it for the wrong reasons. Only difference though is that they don't have to do the trial.

However, that's the competitions department and moderation is a whole different ball game. Competitions (and generally most departments) can take time to train people up to a good standard whereas moderators are under a lot more pressure to be good at a very early stage so I can see why they'd prefer the method of (re)hiring old moderators. I'm sure they'll all do a great job so no complaints from me :)

[Grig]

I disagree tbh. I'd rather train someone new who actually wanted to be there than someone who had that conflict of "should I stay or should I go?". I now have a policy of making any ex-staff apply like everyone else if they resign and want to come back. It filters out those who do want to come back from those who can't be bothered and want it for the wrong reasons. Only difference though is that they don't have to do the trial.

However, that's the competitions department and moderation is a whole different ball game. Competitions (and generally most departments) can take time to train people up to a good standard whereas moderators are under a lot more pressure to be good at a very early stage so I can see why they'd prefer the method of (re)hiring old moderators. I'm sure they'll all do a great job so no complaints from me :)


Well it's a two way argument here. I do see where your coming from and yeh, sometimes people did come back, take the piss by spamming a spam thread, but when it came down to knitty grity work- didn't achieve as much. However, more times than not persuading them to take a leave of absence to think it over was the best strategy. I always say that when it is a talented member doing say 50 slots, 50 articles, 50 mod logs etc. to think it over if they suddenly decide to quit. However, if there is a downhill gradient in their activity, then yes there won't be any point.

[beth]

i definitely agree that youknow, an experienced mod needs no training can get straight in there and sort things out, but it's like with every job here at habbox (except perhaps the radio department) same old names, same old faces.
get some new blood in.

[Jamesy]

i definitely agree that youknow, an experienced mod needs no training can get straight in there and sort things out, but it's like with every job here at habbox (except perhaps the radio department) same old names, same old faces.
get some new blood in.

We have Dean, Interact and Con (he came back but he's still fresh faced). I think there has been a nice mix of old and new and I disagree fully with Richie's post, and the calls of "power mad" begin to get tiresome after a while.

[Hecktix]

Some of you seem to be putting the people who resign down and saying they don't care about Habbox. Well, I hate to break it to you but there's a hell of a lot more to life than Habbox and if something in life (afterall Habbox is not life) crops up that means you can't be at Habbox for a while then yeah resign - it doesn't mean you don't care it just means you've got bigger things going on at that moment in time.

Later on, when these issues may have died down and you wish to return - you approach the manager of the department you worked for and see if there is any available positions. Now put yourself in a managers position, you get someone coming up to you who was previously highly ranked in your department, did an absolutely excellent job and you know 100% that bringing them back would be a positive decision. Do you put this person right to the bottom of the pack (where you know they are over-experienced for) or do you give them a job you know they can do effectively. In some departments there needs to be a ladder system but the Forum Department is not one of them, you can't just promote someone to Super Moderator because they are "next in line" - they have to be ready for the challenge of being a Super Moderator. If I was to be harsh, I could name you two people who became Super Moderators too early within the past 12 months, I could also link you to many complaint threads about them and I could also link you to their consequent resignations. I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to see James and Martin piss around promoting moderators who aren't ready to become Super Moderators to then not only see forum users getting pissed off, Forum Management getting pissed off but also shattering that Moderators chances of succeeding, literally because we've promoted them too early.

Of course, there are limits and Catzsy is a prime example of this, she resigned as a Super Moderator over 6 months ago she has now returned on trial - purely because it has been 6 months since she resigned and things have changed in this time. So there's 1) We don't let people come back into high roles if they resigned a long time ago unless it's an exceptional circumstance.

Also, those of you who mention a lot of people repeatedly resigning and coming back - this is something I am cracking down on and have refused people staff positions on multiple occasions as they have resigned and returned more than once. Those who try to resign and return more than once in a short amount of time are asked to go through the application and trial period again.

[Richie]

Oli if thats the case then why is recursion on trial

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=671115&highlight=Recursion

Pretty sure he just resigned just bang on a month ago.


I don't see how the moderation team are different to habboxlive recruiting staff wise. You wouldn't see someone such as scotty for example coming back as a head dj. (Maybe he got fired, but I have never seen someone jump the 'ladder' in the habboxlive department, yes maybe some of the promotions were wrong but they still went up the ladder like everyone else)


anyway I gtg out, have fun replying to me x

[Hecktix]

Oli if thats the case then why is recursion on trial

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=671115&highlight=Recursion

Pretty sure he just resigned just bang on a month ago.


I don't see how the moderation team are different to habboxlive recruiting staff wise. You wouldn't see someone such as scotty for example coming back as a head dj. (Maybe he got fired, but I have never seen someone jump the 'ladder' in the habboxlive department, yes maybe some of the promotions were wrong but they still went up the ladder like everyone else)

As James explained, all of the current returnees are trialists as the system has changed massively since they were last moderators. Moderation is entirely different to HabboxLive as it involves the safety of the 400 users that use this site every day and the powers (particularly) that super moderators are given could do a lot of damage to Habbox. Although, let it be said if we thought there wasn't a suitable placement lower down the ranks in HxL for Head DJ then I would happily hire an external candidate. We give jobs to the best candidate, not the person who's been here longest.

[Callum.]

yeh big props to you about that new system, putting them on trial and making them show ther dedication again. I think the changes you've talked about implenting are good, although I think actually leaving and coming back so sudden doesn't look good on the non staff front. I mean, I don't know circumstances from resignations as I don't browse a ton anymore and how the resignation process goes but it could be different. like a grace period, or something when they ask to resign to go away a few days and think about it (yes this probably happens now, but they still come back after a few days).

[HotelUser]

I'm fortunate to know just about all the moderators (re) joining ranks with the department and I am very confident in saying that they're the best for the job, proven either in their past work in moderating or in the dedication and positive attitude to and on the forum.

Just because there are positions available doesn't necessarily mean James and Martin have to open applications. In the event that capable moderators can be acquired through other means (in this case former staff returning) I see no quarrels swinging that way.

[Minstrels]

WHO ARE YOU FORGETTING, MATTHEW?
--ss-- ?

[Robbie]

--ss-- ?

TRY AGAIN

[FlyingJesus]

In any department as soon as someone resigns and its offical they shouldn't be allowed to return in a high position. They should be able to return, yes. But as normal staff.

She has come back a stage under what she resigned as, which is what I'd always understood the deal to be for managers (if such a position was available at the time of their return) as they're clearly going to be somewhat likely to know what they're doing. At least, that's what I was told when I became a manager, despite later being told I was only allowed to come back as a news trialist myself after my department got merged :rolleyes:


you wouldn't see a tesco manager leave then decide to come back a week later, it just doesn't work like that. The next person in line would get the job, fair enough they could apply to be in a managements position but habbox doesn't have that option so either or it should be allowed.

Well that's not true at all, if someone resigns from a position in a real life management job it then gets advertised and people have to interview for it, so it's entirely possible that the same person could get it although in the real world people don't tend to quit then go for the same job again


i definitely agree that youknow, an experienced mod needs no training

Interesting point in this case lol but yeah init


there's a hell of a lot more to life than Habbox

What how come no-one ever told me this :S


If I was to be harsh, I could name you a person who became Super Moderator too early within the past week

init tho


--ss-- ?

Best mod ever

[Minstrels]

TRY AGAIN
Can't think of anyone, give me a clue.

[Josh]

By reccomendations / reporting many posts I guess, maybe some old moderators asked to return if there was a space available or something. Likelyhood anyway! :) Edan (Yoshimitsui) once told me that posting a lot on the forum, especially in feedback commenting on suggestions freely minded and reporting posts was a good way to get noticed or that you have potential to be a moderator.

It's good to see there's more moderators: it makes sense.

That's somewhat a disadvantage for some staffmembers.

[Robbie]

Can't think of anyone, give me a clue.

Starts with R, ends in obbie, banned you and got you unbanned.

[Minstrels]

Starts with R, ends in obbie, banned you and got you unbanned.
Robbie? You were a moderator? For real?

[Casanova]

I agree with most of the mods that have come back. I was actually discussing this with someone the other night and they'll tell you I quoted most of the names that have now came back as trialists.

I totally agree with the decision to allow the floodgates open and welcome back our best, most experienced members to continue to guide and form habboxforum and allowing us users to continue on The good thing about old faces is they know the members, they know the ropes. Believe me they'll get a lot less complaints and make a lot more users happy than unhappy...

whereas when a new trialist comes on the team they find their feet, make mistakes and piss everyone off.

A great decision. Well done jamesy, those that have came back and us for having them back.
and yes, it ******* pisses me off when the drama of quitting, then coming back, then quiting when your partner/best friend leaves, then coming back all starts up. Members should get one chance of quitting, then come back. if they quit again they're out. then again catszy wouldn't be allowed back if that happened :O?

[Josh]

I'm just glad that management can admit they made a mistake and revert back to the old method.

[Martin]

I'm just glad that management can admit they made a mistake and revert back to the old method.


I think it's always good to try things out, and you can't always tell whether something will work without giving it a go, however in this case- yes it was best to revert back to kind of the old method.

It still hasn't reverted completely back- however most elements of the old system have returned to allow for better communication, more activity and to ensure that all parts of the forum are actively searched and rulebreaks spotted and dealt with. Hopefully with things the way they are now we can be more of a team, help each other out and get things dealt with a lot quicker.

[Chippiewill]

It's a bit harsh not even to let new people have a try, Jamesy said a while back that he was going to make hiring within the Forum department more fair, I guess you can't listen to anything that Habbox management say anymore.


Admittedly mistakes were made but I trusted gut instinct on that one and I stand by it, next time around I will be making sure it is fairer though.

[FlyingJesus]

If there's a shortlist of people they know for certain can do the job and are willing to do it I can't see the problem, it's not like HxF staffing comes under any equal rights nonsense acts

[Jamesy]

It's a bit harsh not even to let new people have a try, Jamesy said a while back that he was going to make hiring within the Forum department more fair, I guess you can't listen to anything that Habbox management say anymore.

Ah I see you're quote mining. That was in reference to the applications if you remember, the breaking of the 3 month rule check? I don't see how we can get much fairer when needing to boost up a department than by allowing brand new people into the department who have never been moderators before at all - so thats the first part of your post falling flat on its face.

We have admitted mistakes and moved on to correct them, we even admitted it in the open to the public and thats more than would be received in the past. It's the same crowd who seem to find everything we do is simply to piss off the users - far from it and from the majority of the replies in here people are positive, and those who had questions we have answered truthfully, so thats the second part of your points shown up to be nothing more than the ignorant complaining we get from a select few.

This may be blunt but it's going round in circles every single time we hire staff...

[Chippiewill]

Ah I see you're quote mining. That was in reference to the applications if you remember, the breaking of the 3 month rule check? I don't see how we can get much fairer when needing to boost up a department than by allowing brand new people into the department who have never been moderators before at all - so thats the first part of your post falling flat on its face.
So rather than judge on merit of the application you take the easy way out?


We have admitted mistakes and moved on to correct them, we even admitted it in the open to the public and thats more than would be received in the past. It's the same crowd who seem to find everything we do is simply to piss off the users - far from it and from the majority of the replies in here people are positive, and those who had questions we have answered truthfully, so thats the second part of your points shown up to be nothing more than the ignorant complaining we get from a select few.
I'm sorry if I don't take everything the management say as the gospel truth, like you want everyone too, but the sad thing is that management aren't always correct.

[Jamesy]

No one is asking you to take it as gospel truth. I was pointing out that making sly remarks that we lie and don't admit our mistakes when this entire thread has been about doing just that...

[Chippiewill]

It's the same crowd who seem to find everything we do is simply to piss off the users - far from it and from the majority of the replies in here people are positive,
If no one complained then there would be no progress. Why do I complain? Progress.


I was pointing out that making sly remarks that we lie and don't admit our mistakes when this entire thread has been about doing just that...
Where did I say you don't admit mistakes? I said that you lie, which you do as is evident.

[Hecktix]

It would seem that some users are criticising when they only know half the story, yet again. Why do they know half the story? Because we don't tell you everything that goes on in the department.

But I'll tell you now as I can't be bothered with this leading to arguments, when I spoke with Jamesy about reverting back to having more moderators on the team the first thing discussed was how many applicants from the previous set of applications (i.e. 2 weeks ago) were suitable for the job.

James returned the names of the applicants he thought would be any good (based on the merit of application) and they are now on the team, you can't expect us to choose other people who have applied if we don't think they are up for it, we'll choose other people. Although to be frank, hiring staff is at the discretion of a department manager, they can hire who they want within reason.

[Chippiewill]

Although to be frank, hiring staff is at the discretion of a department manager, they can hire who they want within reason.
I'm fine with that, but I don't expect them too lie about it.

[Richie]

It would seem that some users are criticising when they only know half the story, yet again. Why do they know half the story? Because we don't tell you everything that goes on in the department.

But I'll tell you now as I can't be bothered with this leading to arguments, when I spoke with Jamesy about reverting back to having more moderators on the team the first thing discussed was how many applicants from the previous set of applications (i.e. 2 weeks ago) were suitable for the job.

James returned the names of the applicants he thought would be any good (based on the merit of application) and they are now on the team, you can't expect us to choose other people who have applied if we don't think they are up for it, we'll choose other people. Although to be frank, hiring staff is at the discretion of a department manager, they can hire who they want within reason.

Pretty sure james wouldn't be allowed hire saurav or immense, just sayn lalalaa

[Chippiewill]

Pretty sure james wouldn't be allowed hire saurav or immense, just sayn lalalaa

That's why it said 'within reason'

[Richie]

Didn't notice :(

[Hecktix]

I'm fine with that, but I don't expect them too lie about it.

I haven't seen any lying :P


Pretty sure james wouldn't be allowed hire saurav or immense, just sayn lalalaa

Hence, "within reason"

[FlyingJesus]

If no one complained then there would be no progress. Why do I complain? Progress.

What progress is there to be had in having a drawn-out application process for new and inexperienced staff when there's the open possibility of bringing back a few individuals who are known to have ample amounts of the appropriate experience? I'll take pragmatism over "fair" chance any day

[Chippiewill]

I haven't seen any lying :P

Presumably from your perspective there hasn't been.


What progress is there to be had in having a drawn-out application process for new and inexperienced staff when there's the open possibility of bringing back a few individuals who are known to have ample amounts of the appropriate experience? I'll take pragmatism over "fair" chance any day
I never said I was against that, I said I was against Jamesy lying about that.

[Hecktix]

I'm fine with that, but I don't expect them too lie about it.


Presumably from your perspective there hasn't been.


I never said I was against that, I said I was against Jamesy lying about that.

He was referring to the people complaining about the few individuals that have returned, he hasn't lied - he just didn't highlight some were chosen from past applications as to be fair, this has already been highlighted in the early parts of this thread.

[Chippiewill]

He was referring to the people complaining about the few individuals that have returned, he hasn't lied - he just didn't highlight some were chosen from past applications as to be fair, this has already been highlighted in the early parts of this thread.

I couldn't make sense of that sentence?

Edit: Finally worked it out

[Hecktix]

I couldn't make sense of that sentence?

I believe you think Jamesy lied about the reason he hired returned staff? At least, I can't make sense of any other accusation of possible lying :P

[Chippiewill]

I believe you think Jamesy lied about the reason he hired returned staff? At least, I can't make sense of any other accusation of possible lying :P

No, I think Jamesy lied about saying that he was going to make it fairer. Both you and Jamesy seem not to be able to understand that and from past experience I know there's no point going on in those circumstances so just forget it, I won't win.

[Hecktix]

No, I think Jamesy lied about saying that he was going to make it fairer. Both you and Jamesy seem not to be able to understand that and from past experience I know there's no point going on in those circumstances so just forget it, I won't win.

I don't see how it hasn't been fair? Applications have been used to hire some of the mods hired and when we realised we couldn't get the number we wanted from the applications we chose returning moderators. I really don't see the issue with this or how it's unfair, lol.