North Korea fires Artillery at South Korea

[Niall!]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11818005

WE'RE DOOMED WW3 IS NOW

[Josh]

Oh ****. Hope they don't continue because this is... BAD NEWS.

[xxMATTGxx]

Time will tell on what will actually happen, let's hope it stops for the time being so no one else gets hurt.

[Minstrels]

This is normal, nothing to see here. Move along.

[xxMATTGxx]

Found this post on another forum and it made me laugh to be honest but quite true also.


Disregarding any deaths and injuries from this attack, I find this rather humorous. North Korea is like a rabid dog surrounded by animal control officers with guns locked and loaded. They may bite and nip but eventually one of the officers will pull the trigger.

[Eoin247]

Found this post on another forum and it made me laugh to be honest but quite true also.

Totaly agree, this just seems to get worse. Remember the torpedo incident earlier this year?

[buttons]

lol calm down there won't be war, not yet. it's just the future leader showing what he's made of. 2 deaths confirmed so far.

n.korea are on their own even china + russia won't help them. n.korea's crops failed, people there are dying already, such a stupid decision. their excuse was that s.korean submarines (was actually a training exercise) were invading them. lol no.

[Niall!]

lol calm down there won't be war, not yet. it's just the future leader showing what he's made of. 2 deaths confirmed so far.

n.korea are on their own even china + russia won't help them. n.korea's crops failed, people there are dying already, such a stupid decision. their excuse was that s.korean submarines (was actually a training exercise) were invading them. lol no.

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Edited by HotelUser (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't post pointlessly, thanks.

[Eoin247]

I'd say that the south won't take too much more. They have been letting these things by for the sake of their fantastic economy and peace. But really theres only so much they will take.

[Conservative,]

If N.Korea go to far you know they will be nuked out of their minds within a few minutes right?

[Eoin247]

N.korea have nukes too robbie.

[Fez]

It's only a matter of time now.

[Middlesbrough]

Disregard this post

[Conservative,]

N.korea have nukes too robbie.

So the 10,000+ that UK/USA/Russia have against the 2-3 that N.Korea have...funny.

[Middlesbrough]

So the 10,000+ that UK/USA/Russia have against the 2-3 that N.Korea have...funny.

I somewhat doubt russia will take sides, especially the side of USA

[Conservative,]

I somewhat doubt russia will take sides, especially the side of USA

If the threat of nuclear war is obvious and it's N.Korea or USA...they're not stupid enough to chose N.Korea.

[Middlesbrough]

If the threat of nuclear war is obvious and it's N.Korea or USA...they're not stupid enough to chose N.Korea.

They're not stupid enough to pick a side at all, if russia can stay out of it they will.

[Conservative,]

Russia's foreign minister warned of a "colossal danger", and said those behind the attack carried a huge responsibility.

If it's proved N.Korea did it Russia will go against them.

[cocaine]

If N.Korea go to far you know they will be nuked out of their minds within a few minutes right?

no? because no country would dare provoke a nuclear war

[Fez]

Russia only sided with North Korea because of the Cold War, modern times mean that they're basically the social recluse when it comes to the global party. They're happy chewing on their Arctic oil until America runs out of places to pillage.

[GommeInc]

I'm waiting for an internal power struggle where North Korea solves itself from the inside out. It'll be far more interesting than South Korea getting involved and wouldn't mean much to the outside world other than South Korea taking over. A nice win-win situation :P

[Jordy]

I'm waiting for an internal power struggle where North Korea solves itself from the inside out. It'll be far more interesting than South Korea getting involved and wouldn't mean much to the outside world other than South Korea taking over. A nice win-win situation :PWith a replacement leader lined up this is looking very unlikely, he has many decades in him before they'll need a new leader. Unless something unusual happens in North Korea when Kim Jong Il dies, it's either gonna end some other way for North Korea or carry on.

I don't think this event is particularly notable though, not much more than the usual battling between the two which always results in nothing. Didn't think it'd take long for nuclear war to be mentioned :P

[Sharon]

is this for real ;l i love south korea :@
this is terrible tbh... north korea are just horrible.

[Niall!]

no? because no country would dare provoke a nuclear war

Dude, Kim Jong-il is probably nearing his death. He'll start war when he's going to die.

[GommeInc]

With a replacement leader lined up this is looking very unlikely, he has many decades in him before they'll need a new leader. Unless something unusual happens in North Korea when Kim Jong Il dies, it's either gonna end some other way for North Korea or carry on.

I don't think this event is particularly notable though, not much more than the usual battling between the two which always results in nothing. Didn't think it'd take long for nuclear war to be mentioned :P
I was more hinting towards North Koreans going against Kim Jong Il in an internal struggle, with civilians and military personnel going against the establishment, which is currently happening on a low-scale at the moment, usually with our generation. It does make you wonder what is keeping the country together, but they're so secretive and any interviews with the outside world are usually set-up. I remember watching a program a while ago about a man showing off what he eats and letting slip he only got the food from the "establishment" because he had served in the military for years, when he was meant to act as though he was a regular citizen and the food on the table was what anyone in the country had.

And people love to scare themselves, just let them mention nuclear war :P

[Eoin247]

So the 10,000+ that UK/USA/Russia have against the 2-3 that N.Korea have...funny.

If north korea fire the nukes they have at the usa, then that alone is enough to cause devastation beyond anything seen before. It doesn't matter how many other nukes can be fired at n.korea. Western countires wouldn't dare risk nukes being fired at them.

[Minstrels]

R0BB13G, this isn't a game of Call of Duty. USA wont fire a nuke when Obama hears they've successfully shot 25 Koreans.


This is the normal border fighting, happens everywhere. Even happens between India and Pakistan.

[The Don]

Start of world war 3 much?

I bet you that if there is a third world war which there most likely will be, it'll be to do with n.k.

[GommeInc]

I cannot see how North Korea can start another World War :/ One tiny nation with barely any power cannot make the whole world go insane, when it has no allies willing to bottle feed it if it does do anything stupid. The war would surely end within a few weeks...

[Conservative,]

I cannot see how North Korea can start another World War :/ One tiny nation with barely any power cannot make the whole world go insane, when it has no allies willing to bottle feed it if it does do anything stupid. The war would surely end within a few weeks...

days* N.Korea attack, every Nato nation attacks them - done.

Tbh it won't start a world war no matter what. They attack S.Korea - NATO helps Korea & it will be another Korean War, not a world War - it won't spread to Europe/Central Asia.

[Eoin247]

Nato countries will be reluctant to attack north korea because of its nukes. Nobodies sure just how capable the north is with nuclear weapons.

[Conservative,]

Nato countries will be reluctant to attack north korea because of its nukes. Nobodies sure just how capable the north is with nuclear weapons.

If n Korea attack s Korea and s Korea call for help we will help them with ground troops. If n litres launch nukes I'm fairly sure NATO will have more than n Korea considering it is about 20 countries most or all with some kind of nuclear weapons programme sooo good luck Kim Jong il lol.

[Eoin247]

If n Korea attack s Korea and s Korea call for help we will help them with ground troops. If n litres launch nukes I'm fairly sure NATO will have more than n Korea considering it is about 20 countries most or all with some kind of nuclear weapons programme sooo good luck Kim Jong il lol.

Ok, that's fair enough. All i was saying was with regards to your first post on how the west will nuke north korea if they attack the south.

[Conservative,]

Ok, that's fair enough. All i was saying was with regards to your first post on how the west will nuke north korea if they attack the south.

Yeah I was in the moos for warfare earlier lol. I agree that post was incorrect they won't nuke straight away. Tbh they'll do the normal thing an try to win a war with words, fail and wonder why lol.

[GommeInc]

days* N.Korea attack, every Nato nation attacks them - done.

Tbh it won't start a world war no matter what. They attack S.Korea - NATO helps Korea & it will be another Korean War, not a world War - it won't spread to Europe/Central Asia.
Indeed, it wouldn't start a World War. It'll just be another Korean war, similar to the previous one. The World won't get involved.

[Conservative,]

Indeed, it wouldn't start a World War. It'll just be another Korean war, similar to the previous one. The World won't get involved.

The only possible ally of n korea is china but they don't want to get involved lol.

[Jordy]

The only possible ally of n korea is china but they don't want to get involved lol.We don't really know that, I think we'd invade them tomorrow if we didn't consider China a threat.

[Conservative,]

We don't really know that, I think we'd invade them tomorrow if we didn't consider China a threat.

China strongly backed Kim Jong il yet have refused to comment? Seems like they regret it.

[Jordy]

China strongly backed Kim Jong il yet have refused to comment? Seems like they regret it.Doesn't really matter what they're saying about things, China is North Korea's lifeline, it gives North Korea pretty much everything it has and is it's only real alley.

[xxMATTGxx]

China doesn't really want a war kicking off anyway because it knows South Korea will have help from the USA and anything to keep them away from their border would be a bonus. But hey, I'm sure they would help out if North Korea really did need it.

[kano]

China won't back North Korea if a war breaks out. China relies too much on the exports to the West to fuel its economy, so wouldn't do anything to jeopardise that.
The US would preferably not want to help South Korea if they can help it because they are already fighting a war on two fronts (Afghanistan and Iraq). Sure they have the man power and equipment but how can they realistically fight 3 wars at the same time and keep their people happy.

Personally I believe South Korea should stop taking these acts of aggression and fight back. Their army may be small in size than the North Korean army but they have technological advantage and support of most of the countries around the world.

[HotelUser]

Kano has hit the nail on the head.

China and the USA cannot afford a dance off because they have dependancies on eachother. That's why China's taken such a questionable stance here. They're close enough to North Korea to feel their threat, but they're too buddy buddy with the USA to jeopardize relationships.

[Middlesbrough]

China won't back North Korea if a war breaks out. China relies too much on the exports to the West to fuel its economy, so wouldn't do anything to jeopardise that.
The US would preferably not want to help South Korea if they can help it because they are already fighting a war on two fronts (Afghanistan and Iraq). Sure they have the man power and equipment but how can they realistically fight 3 wars at the same time and keep their people happy.

Personally I believe South Korea should stop taking these acts of aggression and fight back. Their army may be small in size than the North Korean army but they have technological advantage and support of most of the countries around the world.

Another thing to add to your second point is that North Korea still have very old equipment, you may have been getting at that but I'm thinking more guns wise than war machines, tanks etc.

Another thing to consider is South Koreas economy vs North Koreas, can NKorea really afford to pay for all the shells/ammunition/jet fuel without making its economy even worse.

[xxMATTGxx]

This was from hours ago (like around 1am - 3amish UK time)


N. Korea deploys SA-2 surface-to-air missiles near Yellow Sea border with S. Korea


Residents of South Korea's Yeonpyeong island ordered to evacuate to shelters amid reports of artillery fire, says South Korean military

[Middlesbrough]

This was from hours ago (like around 1am - 3amish UK time)

Apparently they did it incase any of the warships invade their territory.

[Eoin247]

I think that this south korean/american navy drill shouldn't go ahead. Is it worth civilians possibly dying just to not go ahead with a drill?

[xxMATTGxx]

I think that this south korean/american navy drill shouldn't go ahead. Is it worth civilians possibly dying just to not go ahead with a drill?

These drills always happen, If North Korea want to cry like a baby because USA and South Korea are working together than go ahead. The drills are hardly a threat to North Korea, but if they carry on like they are doing and firing shells and what not to the South than war may happen.

[Conservative,]

Korean War II here we come. Lol.

Love the way Kim Kong Il realises he's gunna die so he decides to try and create war?

I also saw someone posted something about an uprising in his own party? Thank god if it's true - none of that family can run a country for ****.

[Eoin247]

Kim kong lol. :D

Well to be fair kim il sung (his father) did a far better job of running the country (not that it was an amazing job but....).

[Conservative,]

Kim kong lol. :D

Well to be fair kim il sung (his father) did a far better job of running the country (not that it was an amazing job but....).

True but if it gets worse every generation what is his son gunna be like? D:

[Jordy]

Korean War II here we come. Lol.

Love the way Kim Kong Il realises he's gunna die so he decides to try and create war?

I also saw someone posted something about an uprising in his own party? Thank god if it's true - none of that family can run a country for ****.Lol hilarious, war!!! lmao pmsl. Not really that funny tbh, and technically they're still at War seeing as they have never signed a peace treaty since the last War to declare it's over.

Don't become another member who shouts War constantly, HxF used to be full of them and thankfully they've all gone. There's nothing to suggest that Kim Jong Il is trying to create war because he's about to die soon. Haven't seen anything about this uprising tbh, not sure where you're getting that from.


Kim kong lol. :D

Well to be fair kim il sung (his father) did a far better job of running the country (not that it was an amazing job but....).I think the real reason things have become so much worse isn't that Kim Jong Il is a worse leader as such, it's more there isn't the Soviet Union to support them anymore.

[Conservative,]

I meant Kim Jong it was a typo. And I'm not saying "OMG ITS WW3" because it's obviously not, but I can see N. & S. Korea going to war - actual war where they're physically fighting & Korea becomes a battle field.

And I just saw someone post that it was an act of defiance against the rebels or something?

[kano]

Another thing to add to your second point is that North Korea still have very old equipment, you may have been getting at that but I'm thinking more guns wise than war machines, tanks etc.

Another thing to consider is South Koreas economy vs North Koreas, can NKorea really afford to pay for all the shells/ammunition/jet fuel without making its economy even worse.

Their economy is the way it is because all their resources (food and materials) go to the military. I made the point of just saying about their military hardware (tanks, planes and ships) because at the end of the day an ill trained N korean conscript armed with an AK-47 is as deadly as a Well trained/armed Royal Marine. Bullets are bullets.

South Korea needs to keep up with these exercises to show North Korea that they will not be bullied into stopping their military activities.

I agree with you that North Korea can not afford to go to war (for a while period of time anyway)

[Eoin247]

Yeah the USSR colapsing, pretty much screwed N.Korea.

N.Korea cannot exist as it does for much longer, somethings gotta happen.

[Jordy]

Wow the Wikileaks thing has finally produced something which isn't 'stating the obvious'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11871641

China see's no use in North Korea and backs a unified Korea under South Korean control. It's certainly changed my view on China in a positive way plus it'll surely raise tensions between the North Koreans and Chinese?

[GommeInc]

Wow the Wikileaks thing has finally produced something which isn't 'stating the obvious'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11871641

China see's no use in North Korea and backs a unified Korea under South Korean control. It's certainly changed my view on China in a positive way plus it'll surely raise tensions between the North Koreans and Chinese?
The sentence "like China would give a damn" comes to mind :P If North Korea can't learn to grow up then they're only causing more trouble to themselves. Good on China for backing South Korea though. China and South Korea just seem like two adults sitting either side of a bratty spoilt child who keeps throwing his toys around.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well all I have to say really on the Korean topic is; for goodness sake lets keep our noses out of it.

In terms of Korean unification - only if the Korean people want it.

[Conservative,]

Glad China have backed unification under Seoul. I think if N. Korea try to do anything with no backing (now we've seen the true position of China) then well...stupid much?

[HotelUser]

Well all I have to say really on the Korean topic is; for goodness sake lets keep our noses out of it.

In terms of Korean unification - only if the Korean people want it.

So you condone a harsh dictator deceiving and completely screwing over 24 million people then?

[-:Undertaker:-]

So you condone a harsh dictator deceiving and completely screwing over 24 million people then?

I'm saying lets keep out of it because there's nothing we can seriously do without bankrupting ourselves with an expensive war (both in finance terms and lives lost) along with the fact if we were to 'sort out' North Korea, why not go and sort out some of the bigger boys likeChina/Libya/Saudi Arabia/Cuba + others aswell? - oh but I forgot! you're the guy who is all for taking out the little countries but suprisingly won't volunteer to go and serve himself! when you are prepared to go and sign up then your arguments will hold some weight and meaning. To clarify; I despise socialist regimes such as the North Korean regime and thats pretty clear whenever I talk on foreign policy topics/history in general, just as I condone past socialist regimes such as the the Soviet Union and the Third Reich.

I want the Korean people to decide whether they want a unified Korea, not Western/Chinese politicians.