Talk About WikiLeaks Here

[Casio]

I have noticed there is a couple of threads about WikiLeaks, just thought it would be tidier to post it all here <3

[Conservative,]

First I respected them for posting the stuff...but now they've gone OTT and are threatening and stuff...some of the stuff is actually really sensitive and although I respect them for wanting to get it out in the public, some of it needs to stay confidential or relations between some countries could deteriorate rapidly.

They need to calm down now. And the latest thing they posted saying about Al Magrahi most people already knew...although they threatened "it would ruin Britain"....LOL.

[Fez]

First I respected them for posting the stuff...but now they've gone OTT and are threatening and stuff...some of the stuff is actually really sensitive and although I respect them for wanting to get it out in the public, some of it needs to stay confidential or relations between some countries could deteriorate rapidly.

They need to calm down now. And the latest thing they posted saying about Al Magrahi most people already knew...although they threatened "it would ruin Britain"....LOL.

No.. they didn't?

How on Earth have they gone over the top? By releasing the US Diplomacy Cables they've given an honesty to a world of dishonesty, and over the last few years they've been doing similar things. These things have to happen, truth should not be treason.

They are threatening with an 'insurance file' containing some serious, serious dirt on the United States. I don't think it's the way to go, since it's kind of hard to justify such means, it's as if they're not taking non-violent means anymore. Although that is quite impossible given the current governments' attitudes towards freedom of speech and information.

Name me one thing that Wikileaks has released that could damage lives.

[Jordy]

The Wikileaks cables, published by the Spanish newspaper El Pais, reveal the intense efforts made by US diplomats in Havana to find out the nature of Fidel Castro's illness and his chances of recovery.

The names of the sources of information reported in the cables have been redacted by Wikileaks, but some apparently knew people who were close to the Cuban leader, or had access to his medical records.So they're happy to remove the names of Cuban officials but won't remove the names of any Westerners when they're at risk.

In my eyes this is conclusive proof that this is just some nonsensical anti-America website. It's not about releasing what the public should know at all otherwise they wouldnt of released an document on vital security targets. Also they'd just release it all at once rather than spread it out for maximum damage if it was in the public interest.

[Chippiewill]

My signature. LOOK AT IT.

[MrPinkPanther]

just saying, i saw julian assange a few days ago...

[Conservative,]

So they're happy to remove the names of Cuban officials but won't remove the names of any Westerners when they're at risk.

In my eyes this is conclusive proof that this is just some nonsensical anti-America website. It's not about releasing what the public should know at all otherwise they wouldnt of released an document on vital security targets. Also they'd just release it all at once rather than spread it out for maximum damage if it was in the public interest.

This. I see what they're trying to do - I applaud them for what they did - but really they don't have to go all out threatening the Governments saying "we're gonna release some real **** on you" and stuff? And they should just release it all at once if it was in the public interest as Jordy said.


My signature. LOOK AT IT.

Lol @ your sig. Kinda true though.

[Chippiewill]

He'd be really good at Magic, he'd be like 'pick a government topic, any government topic' and then be like 'He slept with a cat you know.'

[Conservative,]

He'd be really good at Magic, he'd be like 'pick a government topic, any government topic' and then be like 'He slept with a cat you know.'

Lol...but to be honest...do the *General* public care? Not really...most of it we already knew anyway. We knew that Labour were doing trade deals with Libya hence the release of the Lockerbie bomber. Of course there are political sceptics and that who will keep these articles to throw at the leaders during the next election, and those who take a serious interest in world affairs. But most ordinary people couldn't care less if they tried. That's what I've noticed anyway. All the adults I've talked to (parents, school assisstants, teachers, friends parents ect.) say they don't really care. Lol.

[Chippiewill]

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/upload/news/100728_p9_cartoon.jpg

lulz

[Jordy]

This is the only real article you need to read on Julian Assange, Iain Dale has got it dead on; http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/debate/article-1339862/Wikileakss-Julian-Assange-preaches-openness-demands-privacy.html

[-:Undertaker:-]

This is the only real article you need to read on Julian Assange, Iain Dale has got it dead on; http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/debate/article-1339862/Wikileakss-Julian-Assange-preaches-openness-demands-privacy.html

However there is a difference between his personal life and the U.S. government being caught out telling lies, the only 'crime' Julian Assange is guilty of is telling the truth. This isn't about left and right as Iain Dale attempts to make out; its about the truth.

Assange is avoiding trial because it is nothing but a puppet show trial which has been thrown up as a way to get hold of Assange and make an example of him via the devious European Arrest Warrant. If the U.S./EU attempted to put me on show trial, i'd make is as difficult for them as possible.



You say that Julian Assange is anti-American, but all he did was publish factual truth.

You're right, how un-American!
- Paul K, Edinburgh, 19/12/2010 5:54

[Chippiewill]

However there is a difference between his personal life and the U.S. government being caught out telling lies, the only 'crime' Julian Assange is guilty of is telling the truth. This isn't about left and right as Iain Dale attempts to make out; its about the truth.

Assange is avoiding trial because it is nothing but a puppet show trial which has been thrown up as a way to get hold of Assange and make an example of him via the devious European Arrest Warrant. If the U.S./EU attempted to put me on show trial, i'd make is as difficult for them as possible.





Agreed, there's probably no basis behind the accusations. Also the crimes which Assange might have committed are irrelevant because any leaks which are true are of far greater importance. It's merely the governments trying to distract the public from the more important issues concerning them.

[Jordy]

Agreed, there's probably no basis behind the accusations. Also the crimes which Assange might have committed are irrelevant because any leaks which are true are of far greater importance. It's merely the governments trying to distract the public from the more important issues concerning them.Since when is rape not a serious issue? The claims of rape should be fully investigated and he should be put on a fair trial if so. Just because he's leaked things of great importance does not make him immune from anything, even if the timing and circumstances are coincidental. If he turns out to be guilty a lot of people are going to look like idiots and think how the victims must feel supposing that this crime did happen.

[Oleh]

CLAIMS are different to the truth. it has already been decided once that they were lies..

[Snatter]

I believe that the people should know what is happening with their government although I believe WikiLeaks may be pushing it a bit far by releasing documents which could damage countries foreign relationships.

But Julian Assange does have good fallback when he says that he's going to release even more documents if he's handed over to another countries government.

[Chippiewill]

Since when is rape not a serious issue? The claims of rape should be fully investigated and he should be put on a fair trial if so. Just because he's leaked things of great importance does not make him immune from anything, even if the timing and circumstances are coincidental. If he turns out to be guilty a lot of people are going to look like idiots and think how the victims must feel supposing that this crime did happen.

I said they were irrelevant, read. I never said he should be let off the hook, find a quote on that, oh wait, there isn't one. Stop inferring stuff.

[Jordy]

I said they were irrelevant, read. I never said he should be let off the hook, find a quote on that, oh wait, there isn't one. Stop inferring stuff.What on earth are you on about?

You originally put this...

Agreed, there's probably no basis behind the accusations.First of all you said there's "probably no basis" behind the accusation, you are not a judge or a jury so you cannot make an assumption either way about it, there's your first instance of playing down the rape claims.
Also the crimes which Assange might have committed are irrelevant because any leaks which are true are of far greater importance.Now the rape claims are "irrelevant" because he leaks things on the Internet? Once again playing down rape simply because of other things he's done. Just because he runs Wikileaks does not make the rape claims irrelevant what-so-ever. He may well be doing a good thing but that does not give him immunity, it is also a separate thing to his private life.
It's merely the governments trying to distract the public from the more important issues concerning them."More important issues", once again playing down the significance and seriousness of rape just because there are other issues at hand.

[Chippiewill]

First of all you said there's "probably no basis" behind the accusation, you are not a judge or a jury so you cannot make an assumption either way about it, there's your first instance of playing down the rape claims.
I never said I wasn't down playing them, I was down playing them because they are irrelevant to the real problem which is what the governments have been doing behind our backs, we should not be taking the governments ploys and be distracted by the rape charges which could have little or no basis behind them UNLIKE the leaks.



Now the rape claims are "irrelevant" because he leaks things on the Internet? Once again playing down rape simply because of other things he's done. Just because he runs Wikileaks does not make the rape claims irrelevant what-so-ever. He may well be doing a good thing but that does not give him immunity, it is also a separate thing to his private life.
I never said that, again, stop inferring. I said they were irrelevant to the topic at hand which is that governments have been doing naughty stuff behind our backs which, for now, should be everyone's main focus.



"More important issues", once again playing down the significance and seriousness of rape just because there are other issues at hand.
There are other issues at hand, I would not regard 'rape' as serious as governments doing the naughty things that they have, just because someone claims they have been raped by someone in the public spotlight does not mean that you should disregard the things that have been leaked. What I am saying is, forget the rape because a far bigger and serious problem is what the governments have been doing and come back the the whole rape fiasco once that's sorted out.