Local elections 2011: voting intentions

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well we haven't had a polling thread in a while and I think it'll be interesting to see what voting intentions/who you support at the moment on the forum are considering we're now a few months into the coalition period, the problems with the Euro currency, the student fees issue and so forth. Below are the latest polls (yougov);

National voting intention (does not include 'none of the above');

Conservative and Unionist Party (Tories) 41%

Labour Party 39%

Liberal Democrats 10%

United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) 5%

Green Party of England and Wales 2%

British National Party (BNP) 1%

So who do you support at the moment, who did you support pre-election and so forth + the reasons why you've changed your mind/still support the same political party. Alongside the May 2011 local elections there will be the referendum on voting reform that was part of the coalition deal which will decide whether or not the United Kingdom has its elections based on the present First Past the Post (FPTP) system or the Alternative Vote (AV) system so it would be interesting to know what people are leaning towards concerning that referendum.

National voting intention for planned 2011 AV referendum;

First Past the Post 43%
Alternative Vote 32%
Wouldn't vote 8%
Don't know 19%

- Parties against ending the FPTP system;

Conservative and Unionist Party (Tories)

- Parties wanting the introduction of the AV system;

Labour Party

Liberal Democrats

United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP)

Green Party of England and Wales

- Parties not decided;

British National Party (BNP)

*Labour is unsure on the bill as it includes boundary changes, while UKIP, the BNP and the Greens would prefer AV+


Thoughts/opinions, can you vote?

[Neversoft]

Still going to vote UKIP just like I did in May.

[Conservative,]

I can't vote but I'd vote Tory. OK they haven't exactly done an amazing job nationally, but locally they have for my area and it's the best vote by far. No point in voting against it anyway, they have a margin of like 10k votes. lol.

[Niall!]

Labour.
I hate them, but I need them.

[Inseriousity.]

Labour are the best for my area. If there was a good independent running I'd consider voting for them tbh as I'm kinda fed up with the three main parties but the independent's rubbish :(

I prefer the sound of the AV system, sounds a lot more representative of who the people elected.

[Fez]

They're not in my area but I support the Pirate Party UK.

[Swastika]

British National Party.

[GommeInc]

The Conservatives have always been the best party in this area, so most likely them.

[Shar]

I have not made up my mind yet, most likely labour.

[Aidenn]

BNP -ml-

[Tom]

The BNP has 1%?! That '1%' should be shot! The BNP are 'Shizzle.' I mean, banning Gay's from holding hands in public e.t.c? Just get out!

[Conservative,]

The BNP has 1%?! That '1%' should be shot! The BNP are 'Shizzle.' I mean, banning Gay's from holding hands in public e.t.c? Just get out!

I agree with you that the BNP are "shizzle" but I don't think they deserve to be shot. As much as their policies are homophobic, racist, and generally very discriminative and quite Nazist...I wouldn't go as far to say as they should be shot. They have 1 or 2 policies which do make sense. Not that I can think of any but I have been showed some before.

[Aidenn]

You could of told me they was homophobic before i voted for them ;l

[Conservative,]

You could of told me they was homophobic before i voted for them ;l

They're both homophobic & racist. Did you not know that? Lol.

[Aidenn]

They're both homophobic & racist. Did you not know that? Lol.
Racist.... Yes

Homophobic No rofl

[Conservative,]

Racist.... Yes

Homophobic No rofl
So you still voted for a party even though you knew it was racist?

[Aidenn]

So you still voted for a party even though you knew it was racist?
I have my reasons...

[Conservative,]

I have my reasons...

Fair enough lol.

[FlyingJesus]

The BNP has 1%?! That '1%' should be shot! The BNP are 'Shizzle.' I mean, banning Gay's from holding hands in public e.t.c? Just get out!

Wanting people shot for having views etc? Just get out!

I put none on the poll because I prob cba going out to vote, I'd only vote Conservatives anyway if I had to and I don't think they've lost in this area during my lifetime even without my vote

[Fez]

Kind of defeats the point of trying to stop the BNP by just shooting the supporters, they're not the devil here, neither are the actual party. They're playing with ignorant clay, which left by a working class punishing government anyway.

[Mathew]

As I've said in many other threads - cuts have to be made and the Conservatives are the only party who have the guts to do it these days.

Sadly, I fear Labour are going to win the next election and it's just going to be a vicious cycle. It's been like this for years; Labour will gain power because everyone is moaning over cuts that the Tories are doing. Labour will dish money out left, right and centre in order to please the population, then people will see sense and decide there's too much national debt. In which case Conservative will win once again and attempt to cut it down, to which case people will get annoyed with the cuts again and Labour will return.

In a perfect world, a quieter independent party would win the election and the big three would be out of power. They're all as bad as each other and you can't argue with that - however I do think the Tories are looking at the country in the long-run, where Labour decide on the here-and-now, which sadly isn't the best approach to take when we owe people trillions of pounds.

[Fez]

In a perfect world, a quieter independent party would win the election and the big three would be out of power

You'd be surprised, I read online that towards the end of the 21st Century we could have an elected independent government in power, if predictions are correct.

[Conservative,]

As I've said in many other threads - cuts have to be made and the Conservatives are the only party who have the guts to do it these days.

Sadly, I fear Labour are going to win the next election and it's just going to be a vicious cycle. It's been like this for years; Labour will gain power because everyone is moaning over cuts that the Tories are doing. Labour will dish money out left, right and centre in order to please the population, then people will see sense and decide there's too much national debt. In which case Conservative will win once again and attempt to cut it down, to which case people will get annoyed with the cuts again and Labour will return.

In a perfect world, a quieter independent party would win the election and the big three would be out of power. They're all as bad as each other and you can't argue with that - however I do think the Tories are looking at the country in the long-run, where Labour decide on the here-and-now, which sadly isn't the best approach to take when we owe people trillions of pounds.

I agree with every word tbh. Tories make the cuts, labour spend any money the Tories have saved...then a lot of money that they don't have. Tories make it back up, save it, make the cuts ect. Get voted out because ignorant ******** don't realise they're doing it for the better, Labour come back in and spend all the money & more that they don't have. Repeat xinfinite

[Bun]

Labour, Lib Dem vote should be interesting.

[MrPinkPanther]

Liberal Democrats.

[Chippiewill]

Picked BNP because I felt like trolling, but I would vote Labour.

[Ajthedragon]

As I've said in many other threads - cuts have to be made and the Conservatives are the only party who have the guts to do it these days.

Sadly, I fear Labour are going to win the next election and it's just going to be a vicious cycle. It's been like this for years; Labour will gain power because everyone is moaning over cuts that the Tories are doing. Labour will dish money out left, right and centre in order to please the population, then people will see sense and decide there's too much national debt. In which case Conservative will win once again and attempt to cut it down, to which case people will get annoyed with the cuts again and Labour will return.

In a perfect world, a quieter independent party would win the election and the big three would be out of power. They're all as bad as each other and you can't argue with that - however I do think the Tories are looking at the country in the long-run, where Labour decide on the here-and-now, which sadly isn't the best approach to take when we owe people trillions of pounds.

Yeah, thats what generally happens. Its the reason I solely wanted Labour to be in coalition with the Lid Dems. That way the conservatives would've had a landslide next time round. :(

I'd vote conservative because where I live Labour run the place and it's frankly awful, they came into power a few years ago and things have gone downhill. They got more social-housing, benefits cheats and thefts than ever before. :( Got me bike stolen too. :(

Having said that Conservatives in my area have an obsession in changing road layouts. :P

[Swastika]

The BNP has 1%?! That '1%' should be shot! The BNP are 'Shizzle.' I mean, banning Gay's from holding hands in public e.t.c? Just get out!
Why should BNP supporters be shot? There is also nothing about homosexuality in their manifesto.


I agree with you that the BNP are "shizzle" but I don't think they deserve to be shot. As much as their policies are homophobic, racist, and generally very discriminative and quite Nazist...I wouldn't go as far to say as they should be shot. They have 1 or 2 policies which do make sense. Not that I can think of any but I have been showed some before.
Muslims, Sikhs & other religions are welcomed into the party, not just white Christians & they have alot more than one or two policies which make sense - the majority of them do.
Withdraw from the EU, bring our soliders (who are fighting an illegal war) home, deport all illegal immigrants and immigrants that have committed crimes, bring back capital punishment for crimes people have committed where they have been proven guilty at all costs (DNA etc.). They're are plenty of policies which make perfect sense and would bring this country back to its former glory.


They're both homophobic & racist. Did you not know that? Lol.
As i said, nothing in their manifesto suggests they are homophobic but i agree that BNP supporters won't exactly be marching for gay rights, whatever happened to freedom of speech anyway? Supporters can say whatever they want about gay people.
They are also not racist, but are against the islamification of Great Britain which is happening in front of all our eyes.

[dbgtz]

Why should BNP supporters be shot? There is also nothing about homosexuality in their manifesto.


Muslims, Sikhs & other religions are welcomed into the party, not just white Christians & they have alot more than one or two policies which make sense - the majority of them do.
Withdraw from the EU, bring our soliders (who are fighting an illegal war) home, deport all illegal immigrants and immigrants that have committed crimes, bring back capital punishment for crimes people have committed where they have been proven guilty at all costs (DNA etc.). They're are plenty of policies which make perfect sense and would bring this country back to its former glory.


As i said, nothing in their manifesto suggests they are homophobic but i agree that BNP supporters won't exactly be marching for gay rights, whatever happened to freedom of speech anyway? Supporters can say whatever they want about gay people.
They are also not racist, but are against the islamification of Great Britain which is happening in front of all our eyes.

Yeah I think people are taking it wrong, they don't hate black people, they hate immigrants. A black british man can (hypothetically) stay, as far as I'm aware.

If I could, I'd vote conservatives. The MP has helped me out alot personally. So I assume mummy and daddy will vote tory too :P

[Conservative,]

Why should BNP supporters be shot? There is also nothing about homosexuality in their manifesto.


Muslims, Sikhs & other religions are welcomed into the party, not just white Christians & they have alot more than one or two policies which make sense - the majority of them do.
Withdraw from the EU, bring our soliders (who are fighting an illegal war) home, deport all illegal immigrants and immigrants that have committed crimes, bring back capital punishment for crimes people have committed where they have been proven guilty at all costs (DNA etc.). They're are plenty of policies which make perfect sense and would bring this country back to its former glory.


As i said, nothing in their manifesto suggests they are homophobic but i agree that BNP supporters won't exactly be marching for gay rights, whatever happened to freedom of speech anyway? Supporters can say whatever they want about gay people.
They are also not racist, but are against the islamification of Great Britain which is happening in front of all our eyes.

No, they want to deport any 1st generation immigrants. Legal or not. I agree they have some good policies but the rest are awful. If they got rid of their discriminative and frankly neo-nazi image I may vote for them. Because they do have good policies. BUT that will never happen. Until they accept what the public see them as, get rid of Griffin and show they are not racist, homophobic facists, I would never vote for them.

[Swastika]

No, they want to deport any 1st generation immigrants. Legal or not. I agree they have some good policies but the rest are awful. If they got rid of their discriminative and frankly neo-nazi image I may vote for them. Because they do have good policies. BUT that will never happen. Until they accept what the public see them as, get rid of Griffin and show they are not racist, homophobic facists, I would never vote for them.
No your wrong, immigrants with genuine reasons such as wanting an education are allowed, however immigrants that are fleeing their country because of fear of death etc is not allowed - simply because organizations such as the UN state that anybody fleeing a country should seek asylum at the NEXT safest country.
In that logic, Britain should not be filled with immigrants because we are an island, and they're are plenty of safe countries surrounding countries such as Nigeria, Poland, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc.
I personally agree with that policy.

[Mathew]

On a rather related note, there was quite a good TV programme on several weeks ago called "BNP Wives" - it was simply an embarassment.

[Swastika]

On a rather related note, there was quite a good TV programme on several weeks ago called "BNP Wives" - it was simply an embarassment.
David Cameron is an embarrassment, Nick Clegg is an embarrassment, Ed Milliband is an embarrassment. Most importantly, whoever out of those three that would run the country, would be on a friendship level with Obama - Nick Griffin wouldn't.
At least Nick Griffin would stop us from fighting this illegal war in Afghanistan, do you know that since US and UK soldiers entered Afghanistan, that the heroin leaving Afghanistan has almost doubled? That tells me that the CIA, Obama and the UK are better drug dealers than the Taliban ever were.

[Conservative,]

David Cameron is an embarrassment, Nick Clegg is an embarrassment, Ed Milliband is an embarrassment. Most importantly, whoever out of those three that would run the country, would be on a friendship level with Obama - Nick Griffin wouldn't.
At least Nick Griffin would stop us from fighting this illegal war in Afghanistan, do you know that since US and UK soldiers entered Afghanistan, that the heroin leaving Afghanistan has almost doubled? That tells me that the CIA, Obama and the UK are better drug dealers than the Taliban ever were.

Cameron, Clegg & Milliband are an embarrassment? I'm sorry but considering you support Nick Griffin I don't think you can talk on this particular subject.

[Swastika]

Cameron, Clegg & Milliband are an embarrassment? I'm sorry but considering you support Nick Griffin I don't think you can talk on this particular subject.
I haven't once said i support Nick Griffin if you read my posts.
I'll talk on the subject as of and when i please to, you must have forgotten about freedom of speech because of your believing in the top three parties?
You nor the European Union tell me what to do at any given time, if you can't debate about something then get out of the political threads, as quite frankly politics is all about debating.

[Conservative,]

I haven't once said i support Nick Griffin if you read my posts.
I'll talk on the subject as of and when i please to, you must have forgotten about freedom of speech because of your believing in the top three parties?
You nor the European Union tell me what to do at any given time, if you can't debate about something then get out of the political threads, as quite frankly politics is all about debating.

You support the BNP and therefore, as you have not said otherwise, Nick Griffin. If you are willing enough to vote BNP you are willing enough to have Nick Griffin in power. I have no objection to you have your personal views but you have to understand people will make judgement and assumptions upon what you say, THAT is politics.

As I have said. I do actually think the BNP have a few good policies, but until they rid themselves of this far-right view that makes them distasteful and quite frankly if you vote for them you are labelled a nazi...I would never dream of voting for them. If they came slightly closer to the centre, got rid of their discriminative image & policies, got rid of Nick Griffin and replaced him with a decent politician who didn't deny the holocaust then MAYBE, I'd vote for them.

This kind of sums up my views on Nick Griffin tbh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk

Having said that I doubt I'd go against Conservatives without good reason.

[Swastika]

You support the BNP and therefore, as you have not said otherwise, Nick Griffin. If you are willing enough to vote BNP you are willing enough to have Nick Griffin in power. I have no objection to you have your personal views but you have to understand people will make judgement and assumptions upon what you say, THAT is politics.

As I have said. I do actually think the BNP have a few good policies, but until they rid themselves of this far-right view that makes them distasteful and quite frankly if you vote for them you are labelled a nazi...I would never dream of voting for them. If they came slightly closer to the centre, got rid of their discriminative image & policies, got rid of Nick Griffin and replaced him with a decent politician who didn't deny the holocaust then MAYBE, I'd vote for them.
This kind of sums up my views on Nick Griffin tbh.
Having said that I doubt I'd go against Conservatives without good reason.
I haven't said i support the BNP either, i said i would vote for them in a local election and that i agree with most of their policies.
I agree Nick Griffin is the wrong leader for the BNP if it wants to be taken seriously, after all he was a member of the National Front when he was in his early teens. Also he didn't deny the holocaust, he denied the numbers of how many Jews were actually exterminated, even if he did deny the holocaust, that still wouldn't make him a Nazi because that is quite frankly freedom of speech once again.
Nice video.

[Describe]

Most people who vote BNP don't actually know what they're voting for.

[Swastika]

Most people who vote BNP don't actually know what they're voting for.
Based on what evidence?
People who are voting Lib Dems or the Tories are more likely to not know what they're voting for as they're constantly lying and backing out of things they said in the first place to get into power.

[FlyingJesus]

Most people who vote BNP don't actually know what they're voting for.

This is just as true for any other party supporters

[Conservative,]

Based on what evidence?
People who are voting Lib Dems or the Tories are more likely to not know what they're voting for as they're constantly lying and backing out of things they said in the first place to get into power.

What exactly have the Tories backed out of? The lib dems have gone back on voting against rise in tuition fees but the Tories haven't gone against anything they said.

[-:Undertaker:-]

What exactly have the Tories backed out of? The lib dems have gone back on voting against rise in tuition fees but the Tories haven't gone against anything they said.

How about no more powers to the European Union?

[Swastika]

What exactly have the Tories backed out of? The lib dems have gone back on voting against rise in tuition fees but the Tories haven't gone against anything they said.
How about the immigration cap? How about when David Cameron blatantly lied in the live tv debates before the election, stating that Hull police force had spent £73,000 on a Lexus police car which was totally un-true just to make Gordon Brown and Labour look like they were spending money recklessly?
In the live TV debates, Cameron also stated that he would be keeping pension credits? Click here. (http://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-news/archive/pension-credits-scrapped/)
Oh, what's that? The winter fuel allowance? Click here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7951203/Winter-fuel-payment-cuts-to-hit-millions-of-pensioners.html).
Free bus pass? Click here. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10657515)

I think it's my turn to post a video?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtOyJWHxpPs

[Describe]

This is just as true for any other party supporters
Yeah, of course.

[beth]

labour as i did in may.

[MrPinkPanther]

As i said, nothing in their manifesto suggests they are homophobic

Yes but what they say does. Their leaflet put a picture of some gay guys next to "Homosexuality: An intrinsic moral evil that threatens the future of the human race?". It'd be funny except people actually believe it.

[Swastika]

Yes but what they say does. Their leaflet put a picture of some gay guys next to "Homosexuality: An intrinsic moral evil that threatens the future of the human race?". It'd be funny except people actually believe it.
What you have to understand is that everybody is entitled to their freedom of speech, no matter what race they are and everybody is entitled to an opinion.
Some people are for gays and some people are against them, just like many other things in life just because its a touchy subject doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about and you shouldn't voice your opinion. At least the BNP have the balls to publish comments such as that one, unlike many other political parties who couldn't give a damn about Britain.
I personally believe if you want to be gay, don't do it around me, don't feel me up on a night out etc, as long as it doesn't involve me it doesn't bother me, although i'll still probably get a load of grief for even saying that with all the characters on this forum.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes but what they say does. Their leaflet put a picture of some gay guys next to "Homosexuality: An intrinsic moral evil that threatens the future of the human race?". It'd be funny except people actually believe it.

A bit like global warming then.

[Frodo13.]

Voted Labour in May, and would do again.

[dirrty]

i'll probably vote labour. not voting lib dem again, that's for sure.

[MrPinkPanther]

What you have to understand is that everybody is entitled to their freedom of speech, no matter what race they are and everybody is entitled to an opinion.
Some people are for gays and some people are against them, just like many other things in life just because its a touchy subject doesn't mean it shouldn't be talked about and you shouldn't voice your opinion. At least the BNP have the balls to publish comments such as that one, unlike many other political parties who couldn't give a damn about Britain.
I personally believe if you want to be gay, don't do it around me, don't feel me up on a night out etc, as long as it doesn't involve me it doesn't bother me, although i'll still probably get a load of grief for even saying that with all the characters on this forum.
As far as I'm concerned if it inspires unjust hatred towards a group of people then it shouldn't be said. Sure lets have a debate about it, lets argue the positives and negatives of Homosexuality, Islam and the like but one liners which inspire hatred have no place in mainstream politics. I don't think we should arrest people for going and saying things like they've said but you can't honestly claim that they aren't homophobic and are a credible party to run this country.


I personally believe if you want to be gay, don't do it around me, don't feel me up on a night out etc,
Made me laugh...and turned on.


A bit like global warming then.
Yeh...except most Scientists say global warming exists.

[Jordy]

How about the immigration cap? How about when David Cameron blatantly lied in the live tv debates before the election, stating that Hull police force had spent £73,000 on a Lexus police car which was totally un-true just to make Gordon Brown and Labour look like they were spending money recklessly?
In the live TV debates, Cameron also stated that he would be keeping pension credits? Click here. (http://www.ageuk.org.uk/latest-news/archive/pension-credits-scrapped/)
Oh, what's that? The winter fuel allowance? Click here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7951203/Winter-fuel-payment-cuts-to-hit-millions-of-pensioners.html).
Free bus pass? Click here. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10657515)

I think it's my turn to post a video?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtOyJWHxpPsTalking of lies, have you noticed in those articles it says could and not that the coalition will. For someone who's into their facts it's a shame you don't know the difference between speculation and reality. Another reality is the Tories couldn't see the real mess the country was in till they were in government. Labour knew full well the mess the country was in but failed to announce any way of combating it, hence why you think they're "blameless" when infact they're the ones you should be blaming for the coalitions cuts.

[Swastika]

Talking of lies, have you noticed in those articles it says could and not that the coalition will. For someone who's into their facts it's a shame you don't know the difference between speculation and reality. Another reality is the Tories couldn't see the real mess the country was in till they were in government. Labour knew full well the mess the country was in but failed to announce any way of combating it, hence why you think they're "blameless" when infact they're the ones you should be blaming for the coalitions cuts.
The fact there is speculation on the things that will be cut, which the Tories said they wouldn't, speaks for itself.
The speculation doesn't just come for nowhere, at one point or another a Conservative representative will have said they are planning or thinking about cutting the winter fuel allowance and the other benefits when Mr Cameron blatently said he and Tories would not.
Have i once said Labour are blameless in all of this? I do not know where you got that assumption from.

[Dean]

I can't vote in 2011 but in the next general election, which is in a few years, I'll be voting Labour.