Tuition Fees

[Mathew]

The Government has won the first vote on increasing university tuition fees to as much as £9,000 despite a series of resignations.

Well, is it pretty much official now then? :P

Terrible video here (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Fees-Three-Police-Injured-As-Students-March-On-Westminster-Over-Rising-Tuition-Fees/Article/201012215850255?lpos=Politics_News_Your_Way_Region _4&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15850255_Fees%3A_Three_Pol ice_Injured_As_Students_March_On_Westminster_Over_ Rising_Tuition_Fees) too while "protesting" today.. such morons.

[Hecktix]

through with a small majority of 21, dark day for education!

[Catzsy]

Shouls be an interesting vote tonight. They should scrape it through though as I can't see the House of Lords objecting but it would be nice to see.

[Conservative,]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11566509

Finally. Thank God.

I did say several times the protests won't make a difference. It makes sense. If you have been watching (or listening to) BBC news 24 then you would see that economic experts say that it's better for the students. It will encourage poorer students & more...

Also, over 50 top Universities have backed the proposals. So, in my opinion. Finally, I don't mind paying more if it's good service.

Before saying "Oh shut up you're so rich" blah blah...I'd prefer it if it was free. Honestly I would, but that's not feasible at all. This country is in over a £1tillion of debt and we need to pay it off somehow.. people are going to have to pay up and that includes students. And anyway, this reform has made it easier to pay the debt off due to the rise of the threshold before having to pay off the debt, and the scholarships ect that will be available.


Edited by Catzsy (Forum Moderator): Thread merged as already one on this topic.

[Niall!]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11566509

Finally. Thank God.

I did say several times the protests won't make a difference. It makes sense. If you have been watching (or listening to) BBC news 24 then you would see that economic experts say that it's better for the students. It will encourage poorer students & more...

Also, over 50 top Universities have backed the proposals. So, in my opinion. Finally, I don't mind paying more if it's good service.

Before saying "Oh shut up you're so rich" blah blah...I'd prefer it if it was free. Honestly I would, but that's not feasible at all. This country is in over a £1tillion of debt and we need to pay it off somehow.. people are going to have to pay up and that includes students. And anyway, this reform has made it easier to pay the debt off due to the rise of the threshold before having to pay off the debt, and the scholarships ect that will be available.

HOW WILL IT ENCOURAGE POORER STUDENTS *Removed* WHEN THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO GO ANYWHERE IN THE FIRST PLACE


Edited by Catzsy (Forum Moderator): Please do not be rude other members.

[Blue]

To be honest, it's needed. We need the cuts. Though I don't agree with the amount they can raise it by. Their funding's being cut by 40% so they should only be allowed to raise fees by 40%

[StefanWolves]

Well, that's me NOT going to Uni. Thanks Clegg you pleb.

[Hecktix]

Shouls be an interesting vote tonight. They should scrape it through though as I can't see the House of Lords objecting but it would be nice to see.

It's through, majority of 21.


To be honest, it's needed. We need the cuts. Though I don't agree with the amount they can raise it by. Their funding's being cut by 40% so they should only be allowed to raise fees by 40%

You are correct, the fees are being tripled - which is unfair.

[Kipp]

I don't agree with this rise, but I'm still going to go to university.

[ifuseekamy]

You get a loan, it's not really a question of being able to afford seeing as poorer students will always get more. And if you're poor after you leave uni? Well then you don't have to pay back the loan. I don't agree by the way, but just pointing out the obvious. This isn't America where parents have to start a college fund from conception, or foreign students who have to pay up to £17,000 upfront.

[Hecktix]

You get a loan, it's not really a question of being able to afford seeing as poorer students will always get more. And if you're poor after you leave uni? Well then you don't have to pay back the loan. I don't agree by the way, but just pointing out the obvious. This isn't America where parents have to start a college fund from conception, or foreign students who have to pay up to £17,000 upfront.

It's not fair to expect graduates to leave uni with £40k debt lol.

[Catzsy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11566509

Finally. Thank God.

I did say several times the protests won't make a difference. It makes sense. If you have been watching (or listening to) BBC news 24 then you would see that economic experts say that it's better for the students. It will encourage poorer students & more...

Also, over 50 top Universities have backed the proposals. So, in my opinion. Finally, I don't mind paying more if it's good service.

Before saying "Oh shut up you're so rich" blah blah...I'd prefer it if it was free. Honestly I would, but that's not feasible at all. This country is in over a £1tillion of debt and we need to pay it off somehow.. people are going to have to pay up and that includes students. And anyway, this reform has made it easier to pay the debt off due to the rise of the threshold before having to pay off the debt, and the scholarships ect that will be available.


Edited by Catzsy (Forum Moderator): Thread merged as already one on this topic.

Just because it is passed doesn't mean the protests have been in vein. Only the first reading - long way to go yet and very small majority.

To be honest, it's needed. We need the cuts. Though I don't agree with the amount they can raise it by. Their funding's being cut by 40% so they should only be allowed to raise fees by 40%

As I understand it it is cuts of 80%


It's through, majority of 21.



You are correct, the fees are being tripled - which is unfair.

Damn - missed it. They usually do it about 7.30 - 8pm. This has a long way to go though yet.

[ifuseekamy]

It's not fair to expect graduates to leave uni with £40k debt lol.
I don't think it's fair and disagree with the cuts, but at the same time I'm reasoning that at least you get a loan. No one should be put off by the idea that they can't afford it because it simply isn't true.

[Fez]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11566509

Finally. Thank God.

I did say several times the protests won't make a difference. It makes sense. If you have been watching (or listening to) BBC news 24 then you would see that economic experts say that it's better for the students. It will encourage poorer students & more...
[/modwarn]

Yes, of course, because those experts don't lobby for the government at all.

I don't mind paying for a top quality service either, but I can't afford that amount of debt. How on earth will it encourage poorer students "and more" to take on more debt and debt and debt and debt.

If they squeeze into a higher paying job over HALF... HALF their salary per month will go paying off their student loan.
If they squeeze into a moderate paying job, they will face around 1/4 deduction
If they squeeze into a working class job, they'll pay more than 3/4
If they squeeze into unemployment... well... they'll be stripped of everything they own.

[ifuseekamy]

Yes, of course, because those experts don't lobby for the government at all.

I don't mind paying for a top quality service either, but I can't afford that amount of debt. How on earth will it encourage poorer students "and more" to take on more debt and debt and debt and debt.

If they squeeze into a higher paying job over HALF... HALF their salary per month will go paying off their student loan.
If they squeeze into a moderate paying job, they will face around 1/4 deduction
If they squeeze into a working class job, they'll pay more than 3/4
If they squeeze into unemployment... well... they'll be stripped of everything they own.
Again, i think you're misled. The repayment starts when you earn over 21k and is a percentage of what you earn i.e. increases the more you earn.

[Fez]

Again, i think you're misled. The repayment starts when you earn over 21k and is a percentage of what you earn i.e. increases the more you earn.

Well what about the people who never EVER get into earning over 21k?

[Catzsy]

Again, i think you're misled. The repayment starts when you earn over 21k and is a percentage of what you earn i.e. increases the more you earn.

Thing is 40K is a lot of debt to be saddled with. Doesn't matter how long you have to pay it.
It is still a huge debt with interest accruing on it hanging over your head and could make an awful lot of difference to whether you would be able to buy a house or not etc etc. Also many students eventually marry other students so that's a double liability.

[ifuseekamy]

Thing is 40K is a lot of debt to be saddled with. Doesn't matter how long you have to pay it.
It is still a huge debt with interest accruing on it hanging over your head and could make an awful lot of difference to whether you would be able to buy a house or not etc etc. Also many students eventually marry other students so that's a double liability.
As I said above, I don't agree with the cuts, I'm just trying to be positive and reason through this. I'm just saying it's not question of affordability.

[Catzsy]

As I said above, I don't agree with the cuts, I'm just trying to be positive and reason through this. I'm just saying it's not question of affordability.

Yes but it is in the longterm when banks and building societies will take these huge debts into consideration when granting or not granting a mortgage. Any fool can lend money but it has to be paid back.

[-:Undertaker:-]

On the protests tonight, the tactics used by the Police were disgusting and show just how far our civil liberties have been eroded. But yet again I will point out - this was largely down the the 'serious organsied crime/terrorist' legislation introduced by the last Labour government.


through with a small majority of 21, dark day for education!


Shouls be an interesting vote tonight. They should scrape it through though as I can't see the House of Lords objecting but it would be nice to see.

Both of you are complaining about something that; a) your own party brought in in the first place despite making a promise not to introduce them during the 2001 election & b) the report was made by a Labour peer suggesting that caps on tuition fees be lifted.

So to pretend to be angry and outraged at this is just total hypocrisy.

[Conservative,]

Thing is 40K is a lot of debt to be saddled with. Doesn't matter how long you have to pay it.
It is still a huge debt with interest accruing on it hanging over your head and could make an awful lot of difference to whether you would be able to buy a house or not etc etc. Also many students eventually marry other students so that's a double liability.

There's no interest until you reach a certain pay, can't remember exactly what but it's something like £40k/year, in which case you could pay it off in a year or 2 anyway...

[Mikey]

Even though I don't agree with what's happening with the rises, I completely discourage what's happened in the protests. There is no need for it, they damaged members of the royal family's car. They didn't have anything to do with the decision and also what I've seen on the sky news website with protests being violent towards police officers. It's completely out of order..

[Fez]

Even though I don't agree with what's happening with the rises, I completely discourage what's happened in the protests. There is no need for it, they damaged members of the royal family's car. They didn't have anything to do with the decision and also what I've seen on the sky news website with protests being violent towards police officers. It's completely out of order..

There's the problem, Sky News, they always always put scaremongering above any actual fact. They sacrifice the truth for ratings, or hysteria that makes more people watch them. A giant, hefty majority of the protests were entirely peaceful and if only the media didn't concentrate on the idiots who probably aren't even students/ looking for an excuse then we'd have a much better state of affairs.

By the way, did Sky News show the police throwing people out of their wheelchairs or battering hands of little girls who just so happened to be nearby? Nope? Thought so.

[Hecktix]

There's no interest until you reach a certain pay, can't remember exactly what but it's something like £40k/year, in which case you could pay it off in a year or 2 anyway...

Pay a £40k debt in 2 years on £40k p/a? For someone who claims he wants to go to Oxford your maths is abysmal.

[Rapidshare]

Pay a £40k debt in 2 years on £40k p/a? For someone who claims he wants to go to Oxford your maths is abysmal.

Actually, I quoted earlier in the week that you could pay off your debt in 3/4 years easily. 20 Grand each year and 20 grand to spend? It is possible, however will people actually start saving or spend?