Very interesting email I received

[Conservative,]

I won't say who from, but it is quite thought-provoking.



Something to Consider,

The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper on Jan. 15, 2008. It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe - and possibly to the rest of the world.


REMEMBER AS YOU READ -- IT WAS IN A SPANISH PAPER
Date: Tue. 15 January 2008 14:30

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz ... We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe ..
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The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:
(zero)

Physics:
(zero)

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 SEVEN

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1996- Lu RoseIacovino
TOTAL: 129!


The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel .." Benjamin Netanyahu

General Eisenhower Warned Us It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect:

'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some ******* will get up and say that this never happened'

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the other way.

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States ?

Thoughts?

[Nemo]

Seems like more anti-islam pro everything garbage. Lets move on shall we...

[Conservative,]

Seems like more anti-islam pro everything garbage. Lets move on shall we...

I admit it is sort of anti-Islam but it still is based on 100% fact and has a point.

[Spuds]

Racial propaganda.

[Nemo]

I admit it is sort of anti-Islam but it still is based on 100% fact and has a point.
sort of? The entire thing is, are you blind? And its not based on 100% fact, its based on twisting words and sentences to making it look like all of the Islamic population are crazy bombers who go around killing everything in the name of the Qu'ran and all that crap.

Its just mindwashing ******** that should be ignored, not posted on the forum so we can have yet another pointless debate about Islam.


Racial propaganda, thats the word i was lookin for ta

[Inseriousity.]

Every religion has their fundamentalists (those who are very strict and conservative on their holy book/law etc) and then within that group, they'll have their extremists. Also 1/5 of the world population is Muslim? That means there are 4/5 who aren't. What a ridiculous scaremongering article.

[Conservative,]

Every religion has their fundamentalists (those who are very strict and conservative on their holy book/law etc) and then within that group, they'll have their extremists. Also 1/5 of the world population is Muslim? That means there are 4/5 who aren't. What a ridiculous scaremongering article.

It's not scaremongering. I think it's trying to say look what we did to the Jews - and what they have done for us, and look what we let the Muslims do, and what have they done for us.

[Nemo]

It's not scaremongering. I think it's trying to say look what we did to the Jews - and what they have done for us, and look what we let the Muslims do, and what have they done for us.Ignore our other posts, cool.

And you could say that about absolutely everything. You're a kid, stop reading all this dailymail-esque stuff and go back to playing with lego, maybe your mind will be saved for a bit longer.

[Inseriousity.]

It is scaremongering. It's branding 20 million Muslims as:

- terrorists ("blow up our trains")
- stupid + ignorant
- violent
- criminals
- unemployed/lazy
- benefit scroungers
- lack of talent

and the only evidence for ALL of this? Oh, Jews won more Nobel Peace Prizes.

[Pix]

A man shot someone lets assume all the men are gonna start firing bullets. It's way too stupid to be generalizing it to every single muslim.

[Jordy]

I admit it is sort of anti-Islam but it still is based on 100% fact and has a point.Lmao 100% Fact? Load of rubbish.

I don't know why it perceives Jewish as some sort of heros, Christianity and Judaism has been dragging down the progress of society in general since Roman times really, we'd of progressed so much better without other religion. I'd go as far as saying we could of eradicated more diseases and wiped out poverty without religion.

Let's also not forget the brutal and "illegal" state of Israel, I very much doubt the people living in the Gaza strip see Jewish in this light.

[Judas]

Ignore our other posts, cool.

And you could say that about absolutely everything. You're a kid, stop reading all this dailymail-esque stuff and go back to playing with lego, maybe your mind will be saved for a bit longer.

im in agreement with you here, but dont be ageist :l

[Nemo]

im in agreement with you here, but dont be ageist :l
Im sorry but with such issues like this younger kids honestly tend to not have any idea. Obviously there's exceptions but this isnt one.

[AgnesIO]

what paper was this in?

[Judas]

Im sorry but with such issues like this younger kids honestly tend to not have any idea. Obviously there's exceptions but this isnt one.

yeah i know, but 'go back to playing with lego' srslyy

[Jessicrawrr]

If you was somebody who didn't have a religion, basically didn't know what religion was, or what happend in religions, and you read that, you'd automatically assume that the entire Muslim population is scum, just because that has pretty much been proven in that.
But they haven't got anything good about muslim, yes muslim has it's extremes, but so do other religions, but things that Muslim extremists do are more publicised than what other religions extremists do.

One thing I do completley disagree is this;

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.
what a load of ****!
I have always disagreed with UK schools not teaching some part of R.E or History, because it offends a certain religion, not aiming this at muslims, but when i was in class, when any other religion was taught in r.e muslims left the room becuase it isn't their religion.
Yet when things about Muslim were taught, or any other religion, we had to stay in the room.
I think the Holocaust should always be taught in schools, they are teaching us the cruel things that happend during that, they are teaching how many innocent lives were taken.
There is evidence of it taking place, when I heard muslims didn't believe it happend I actually couldn't believe it.
Who cares about nobel prizes, just because more Jewish people have a nobel prize compared to Muslims, doesn't make every muslim a bad person, nor does it make every jewish person a good person.

Oh and don't bring age into this, everyone, any age have an opinion on things.

[Jahova]

Very interesting and does show facts but then a document of this type is definitely used as fuel for the racism fire.

[Conservative,]

Im sorry but with such issues like this younger kids honestly tend to not have any idea. Obviously there's exceptions but this isnt one.

I probably have more idea than most people tbh. I'm very aware of current affairs and that sort of thing. I just thought this was interesting. I didn't say I agree with it. But I think it has a point.

[FlyingJesus]

Zionist junk mail, that's all. Also I'm fairly sure Hitler and Goebbels didn't plan the Holocaust in order to allow some sort of "Muslim invasion" of Europe lol

[Nemo]

yeah i know, but 'go back to playing with lego' srslyy
He should, and that's how i talk. Its an example of something he should be doing at his age, not reading such dribble.

I probably have more idea than most people tbh. I'm very aware of current affairs and that sort of thing. I just thought this was interesting. I didn't say I agree with it. But I think it has a point.
CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS.

[Conservative,]

He should, and that's how i talk. Its an example of something he should be doing at his age, not reading such dribble.

CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS.

It's not contradicting? If I know more than most people and then feel it has a point - that's my opinion, I'm not contradicting myself.

And eww lego, my brothers play with that ;l

[Nemo]

It's not contradicting? If I know more than most people and then feel it has a point - that's my opinion, I'm not contradicting myself.

And eww lego, my brothers play with that ;l
Well no, you quite obviously dont have more of an idea if you think it has a point. It's not an opinion on whether it does or doesnt have a point (in this case) because its garbage and should only be seen as that. If anyone does think it has a point then they have no idea, bringing me back to my earlier opinion of you having no idea.

[FlyingJesus]

I love Lego

I also love when people actually know the difference between a difference of opinion and being factually wrong

[Conservative,]

Well no, you quite obviously dont have more of an idea if you think it has a point. It's not an opinion on whether it does or doesnt have a point (in this case) because its garbage and should only be seen as that. If anyone does think it has a point then they have no idea, bringing me back to my earlier opinion of you having no idea.


I love Lego

I also love when people actually know the difference between a difference of opinion and being factually wrong

I'm not factually wrong because I'm not stating a fact, I'm stating an opinion - my opinion is that it has a point, I can't be wrong or self-contradictory because it's an opinion.

[Nemo]

I'm not factually wrong because I'm not stating a fact, I'm stating an opinion - my opinion is that it has a point, I can't be wrong or self-contradictory because it's an opinion.
Okay ill repeat again, you don't have an idea (my opinion, possible fact) therefore it doesn't really matter if you think it has a point. The fact that you think it ahs a point is actually very worrying (fact) and thus this thread should end, there's nothing else to discuss.

[Conservative,]

okay then. :rolleyes: