causmo wins again

[al123]

causmo has won a comp from the newsie yet again and they get a special prize could that be the white rollers we have seen?

[Spencos]

He's a su'ck up, what do you expect. The staff love him.

[0verRide]

hes just as normal as the rest of us just because he has staff on his f/l doesnt mean hes different give him a break 4 once

[deltateamaplha]

Aww sounds like you have the jealousy bug

[lvt3046]

Lol i get that bug sum times

O u need to change ur sig also

Derick is gone

[Spencos]

He gets free stuff off staff because they love him

[Michael.]

One wonders if this has got something to do about the 'Gold roller' buisness...

[Causmo]

He's a su'ck up, what do you expect. The staff love him.
I have staff on my friends list to organise events for some fansites.
and othe things

[Spencos]

I have staff on my friends list to organise events for some fansites.
and othe things

Why is it that out of thousands of habbos who could of won, you won? You've won loads before. Also you get prezzies from the staff. They adore you. Admit it.

[Roboevil]

I have staff on my friends list to organise events for some fansites.
and othe things
You must admit, staff do have a select few that they favour, like Cheezy2, it's so obvious, either that or a huuuuge coincidence.

[Grabbed]

I have staff on my friends list to organise events for some fansites.
and othe things

Other things? eg?

[mat64]

Other things? eg?

see what you meen but i think its easy to say staff stick there neck out to help the "friends". Sorry causmo but its not fair on us is it :@

[Jasmin]

Causmo, you are like extremley rich, you get presents every dam day, i hardly get any when its my birthday, people adore you, and im kinda sick of it to be honest.

[Charles]

Causmo won that 'Planes for Callie' comp aswell as 7 other's (including me)
All he had to do was make a paper aeroplane and send it in! Easy! Mine took me 5 minutes, the simplest paper aeroplane.
He is a favourite to Hobba's. Im jealous....

[mat64]

:rolleyes_ yes this is getting a bit on the boring side of things :rolleyes_

[-x-Kerrianne-x-]

Perhaps he shouldnt enter a few. If that was you, how would you feel? :(

[Bear-Max]

We don't really know how many people even bothered to enter this competition. Maybe they were the only 8 that entered.

It wouldn't surprise me, these sorts or competitions are pants.

[Spencos]

C'mon Causmo, defend yourself on the allegations people have said about you. I'd like to see what kind of cr'ap you come out with.

[Tommy]

You won again? Thats not fair really, why wont she give others a chance? Even if it is a coincidence wich i doubt, she still could of give it someone else.

[-x-Kerrianne-x-]

He won, la dee dah. He won, nobody else can win that competiton now. LEAVE IT GO

[Spencos]

He won, la dee dah. He won, nobody else can win that competiton now. LEAVE IT GO

We're questioning on why he wins loads of competitions, why the staff treat him to supers. Read what people are saying before telling people what to do.

[-x-Kerrianne-x-]

He doesnt have to answer anything if he doesnt want to!

[Spencos]

He doesnt have to answer anything if he doesnt want to!

We never said he did, we just want to see if he will defend himself or not. :rolleyes:

[-x-Kerrianne-x-]

then stop asking him x]

[Spencos]

then stop asking him x]

We want an explanation. Now shut the hell up spamming the forum and keep in context.

[-x-Kerrianne-x-]

I'm not spamming the forum, im just asking nicely. If he doesnt want to answer then you have to respect that. If the Hobbas/hotel staff like him then there is probably nothing we can do. Just let it run its course :)

[Spencos]

I'm not spamming the forum, im just asking nicely. If he doesnt want to answer then you have to respect that. If the Hobbas/hotel staff like him then there is probably nothing we can do. Just let it run its course :)

We are questioning him and giving our thoughts. We are not just going to 'let it run it's course'. And the staff don't just like him, they love him. He gets supers and all sorts from them all the time for no reason. For goodness sake, shut up and let him speak if he wants too.

[woodrally]

NOTICE : It all started with his fansite , Then he got to control Fansitefestival
Then He Wins Habbowood ! , And Now Hes Getting Pressies Off Of Callie And Hes Wining EVERY Comp. He Also Gets Into ALL Major Events And Has 2 Survivoir Points. What Are The Odds Of Him Winning ! The Most Ive Seen On Habbo In The Year Ive Been On Is 11030 And He Wins Out Of 11030 !

Its Fixed. Like The Funky Friday. + Noticed Newsletter Who Writes In The Newsie Has White pillows And Dj Thrones !

[Spencos]

NOTICE : It all started with his fansite , Then he got to control Fansitefestival
Then He Wins Habbowood ! , And Now Hes Getting Pressies Off Of Callie And Hes Wining EVERY Comp. He Also Gets Into ALL Major Events And Has 2 Survivoir Points. What Are The Odds Of Him Winning ! The Most Ive Seen On Habbo In The Year Ive Been On Is 11030 And He Wins Out Of 11030 !

Its Fixed. Like The Funky Friday. + Noticed Newsletter Who Writes In The Newsie Has White pillows And Dj Thrones !

TOTALLY agree with you there. He's like a spoilt brat.

[mat64]

hmmm, if his profile keeps riseing he will be a prime target for hackers, also well said.

[Spencos]

hmmm, if his profile keeps riseing he will be a prime target for hackers


Good. :D

[woodrally]

Also What Gets Me Is How They Pick The Winners. So They Pick Out Of The Hat Or Something ? Because What Are The Odds Come On, Lets Say Out Of 10000 People Entered A Competition What Are The Odds Of HIS Name Coming Out All The Time ?

Its FIXED ! If I Ever Went To Work At The Buissness Design Center ( Aka Habbo Offices) I Would Make It FAIR !

[mat64]

theres only one name in the hat :)

[Spencos]

theres only one name in the hat :)

Wrong, 2 names: Cheezy2 and Causmo :p

[mat64]

o yeh forgot about that one :)

[Dudey!]

Lol Well done to him.. Wish i won summit..

[Detox]

Staff love Budy, Causmo and Coolmandan. They win most competitions.

[mat64]

Just noticed they are all lads :o

[Detox]

Well Done :rolleyes:

[zak-x]

Well how do you know the staff chose him, who ever applied to the competition a computer chooses a winner at random and it happened to be causmo so you can’t blame him for it.
And no he didn’t win a whit roller, it was a screen and 20 creds]

[Causmo]

To be honest I have had callie on my console since the day i won HabboWood. I was not friends with any of the other sulake UK staff from this hotel except UkchaserAl. Very little of the furni I own was won from a competition. I won the following competitions:
Hardcore Hobba Leauge 2004 - Prize : Speakers corner.
Reindeer Diving competition - Prize : Throne.
Habbowood - Prize : Habbo trophy, 250 credits and a hotel floor.
UkchaserAl's random competition Prize : Red Bird Bath.

and now the plane competition where i won a screen and 20 credits.

When I won the Hobba Leauge 2004, I traded my speakers corner for 50 thrones and a petal patch. I have 0 thrones now. I donated ALL my thrones to people on my friends list and people with very little furni.

I use my furni for prizes in Habbo-Info competitions, as I took over the site from J.P.A.M Niepce.

Say whatever the hell you like i dont give.

[Shadowrock!]

there should b e arule. if you win a comp you cant enter any for about a year or something...

[lvt3046]

a month more like a years 2 much

[Charles]

Maybe entering competitions is a way to gain credits without paying for them, if you don't want to waste money.

[Grabbed]

Maybe entering competitions is a way to gain credits without paying for them, if you don't want to waste money.


Yeah but what are the odds you win?

[Charles]

Huge? He is favoured lots.
Most of us are jealous. I know I am. :p

[Grabbed]

If you're not favoured and unpopular then you have a very small chance, because if favoured people always win there would be random entries to win :p

[GommeInc]

You must admit, staff do have a select few that they favour, like Cheezy2, it's so obvious, either that or a huuuuge coincidence.
I agree,

Strangely the ones they favour are the ones that win everything or involved in everything. True they need help but there are more better people out there, and Hobbas and Staff =/

[Barmi]

I sense some jealousy in the air...
Anywhooo, it is all luck. It is not always the same people winning competitions. When was the last time Cheezy2 won something? You may think there are thousands of people on the hotel, but only hundreds enter competitions. If you enter competitions regularly, odds are you will win one day. I though I would never win competitions, but when I started, I began to win a few. If you try, rather than not bothering, you cannot blame the same people winning, if they enter all the time, and they are randomly picked. It is simply effort, and a bit of luck. If you have not won a comp, stop placing labels on people, and keep entering them. Anyone has a chance of winning.

[Wootzeh]

To be honest I have had callie on my console since the day i won HabboWood. I was not friends with any of the other sulake UK staff from this hotel except UkchaserAl. Very little of the furni I own was won from a competition. I won the following competitions:
Hardcore Hobba Leauge 2004 - Prize : Speakers corner.
Reindeer Diving competition - Prize : Throne.
Habbowood - Prize : Habbo trophy, 250 credits and a hotel floor.
UkchaserAl's random competition Prize : Red Bird Bath.

and now the plane competition where i won a screen and 20 credits.

When I won the Hobba Leauge 2004, I traded my speakers corner for 50 thrones and a petal patch. I have 0 thrones now. I donated ALL my thrones to people on my friends list and people with very little furni.

I use my furni for prizes in Habbo-Info competitions, as I took over the site from J.P.A.M Niepce.

Say whatever the hell you like i dont give.
and how many of them did I win?
None, you just happened to win them all.

[QuackMe]

hes just as normal as the rest of us just because he has staff on his f/l doesnt mean hes different give him a break 4 once

Nitros hes right it's a fix he's always winning everything, on habbowood my film was MUCH Better than his

[Causmo]

and how many of them did I win?
None, you just happened to win them all.
Yes i did just happen to win them. I don't cheat in any way shape or form. Andif you try hard enough then you will win eventually

[Causmo]

Nitros hes right it's a fix he's always winning everything, on habbowood my film was MUCH Better than his
I have a question for you. Do you ever think you dont look good in a photo?
this is a serious question

[QuackMe]

I Don't think i look good in a photo cause it's embarrasing, why'd u ask

[-x-Kerrianne-x-]

Good on ya Causmo :)
A bit of publicity never hurt anyone! If he won then thats it, he has good entries that are good enough to win. His entrie(s) may be better than the others. I know that he does win many competitions but thats the way it is. I think that people are jealous because they entered the competitions and thought that theirs was the best and now they dont like the person who has won.
What would you say if people were accusing you of cheating and you know that you would never cheat? You wouldnt like it.

[QuackMe]

Actaully i wouldnt midn if they called me it... it's a game anyway so why dont ya leave ya lil lover (causmo) alone.. eh?

[-x-Kerrianne-x-]

Of-course you wouldnt mind but I think he does so just stop arguing now and just leave this thread its well deserved peace! x]

[Causmo]

Actaully i wouldnt midn if they called me it... it's a game anyway so why dont ya leave ya lil lover (causmo) alone.. eh?
I'd like to see you win 2 competitions in a row, and get callie on your friends list, I can see it now. All over Habbox forums, yeah... I would love it if the tables turned on you ;)

really I havent done anything wrong, if you think that people have to rig competitions or be friends with staff then you need to get a life, because your life cant seriously be good if the best thing you can do is post **** about people because they win things on habboxforum

[QuackMe]

Callies on ya list cause ya popular not all flippin habbo is popular u know!!

[-x-Kerrianne-x-]

Just for a day, see how much stress it brings

[Causmo]

Callies on ya list cause ya popular not all flippin habbo is popular u know!!

Callie is on my friends list because I am an official fansite owner. No other reason dear. You dont know me, so why dont you shut the hell up.

[QuackMe]

anyway why ARE we arguing... :s

[QuackMe]

so what, you own a official site, so do 900 other habbos callies not on their list.. or any HM

[Causmo]

null.........

[QuackMe]

Cor mate dont bother posting anymore lets settle this 'argument' !!

[-x-Kerrianne-x-]

Someone please just lock the thread. Leave Causmo to do what he has to do and leave the rest of yo uto do what you want to do. This is giving me such a headache :o

[Causmo]

so what, you own a official site, so do 900 other habbos callies not on their list.. or any HM
wow your a bigger idiot than I expected. Have a look at the official fansite list dear, use your fingers if your brain cant count that high. there arent 900 fansite's there ;)

[QuackMe]

Ye well what you doing butting in den, if u dint it wouldnt of given you a headache eh??

[zak-x]

so what, you own a official site, so do 900 other habbos callies not on their list.. or any HM

for your information there are no 900 official habbo sits.

and if you had good ears he said i got callie on my list because he owns a "official" habbo fan site not a normal habbo site,

[QuackMe]

Causmo, stop calling me dear sounds a bit gay..

[zak-x]

Ye well what you doing butting in den, if u dint it wouldnt of given you a headache eh??

oh and also learn how to Wright in English

[Causmo]

Causmo, stop calling me dear sounds a bit gay..
No thank's dear ;) Your the only one thats gay here. I call you dear because you are like an old lady at the hair dressers complaining about everything that goes on. Get a life

[Causmo]

If i was to have a throne giveaway like i did last year, only it had a twist then you wouldnt be saything things like that about me.

[QuackMe]

Causmo, im sorry man i dunno why we are arguing just a bit silly and i when a bit over the top, i admit i had the wrong side sorry!!

[zak-x]

No thank's dear ;) Your the only one thats gay here. I call you dear because you are like an old lady at the hair dressers complaining about everything that goes on. Get a life

lmao john.

[Jamesie]

I'm happy for him, he wins alot of events probably because he's lucky not because he knows staff, it maybe the case, I'm not sure.

You shouldn't be so jealous.

[Barmi]

Causmo, stop calling me dear sounds a bit gay..

You know, just because you call someone "dear", does not mean you are gay, chuckyegg. You have had enough whining?

[Causmo]

Causmo, im sorry man i dunno why we are arguing just a bit silly and i when a bit over the top, i admit i had the wrong side sorry!!
You heard I was planning a throne giveaway and now you want to be friends?

[QuackMe]

Lol , no its not that you can keep ya throens for all i care, its just that i've been going through a hard time in real life (cant tell anyone soz) and im a bit angry.. i need to explain i told zak about some.. now i need to explain to you please!

[Jasmin]

Lol, I have to admit Causmo does win alot of things, but people are arguing over pixelated furnie :p

[Ostinato]

Bunch of hipoycrits.

Just think for a minute, you are all sitting moaning like old woman who's pension hasn't came through, how would you like it if it was you?

Answer me this, if you had to win a competition on Habbo tomorrow which got you famous, would you turn down a friend request from Callie? Would you not speak to staff members etc.? Causmo won the competition and made friends with some staff. You lot are just all jealous and thats why you moan...

Goodbye

[Shadowrock!]

-scratchs head-

im not moaning :D

i dont care who wins lol.

[RedStratocas]

If it isnt me, I dont really care who wins :p

Sure, maybe he does win a lot, but think of this-

With the habbowood comp, thousands entered- BUT!
- Half of them were probably writen in "internet chat" such as "omg! wat r u gunna do. tats efil"
- A quarter of them probably didnt make sence/ were stupid and unfunny
-They probably didnt get through all of them anyway

So it isnt as many people entering with that as you think

Causmo is popular, he knows that, so it isnt a surprise he won the vote.

Sure, maybe it is unfair, but if you are complaining this much ON A GAME WITH FAKE FURNITURE I cant imagine how much you hate people who win things/ that are unfair in real life

[Wootzeh]

Bunch of hipoycrits.

Just think for a minute, you are all sitting moaning like old woman who's pension hasn't came through, how would you like it if it was you?

Answer me this, if you had to win a competition on Habbo tomorrow which got you famous, would you turn down a friend request from Callie? Would you not speak to staff members etc.? Causmo won the competition and made friends with some staff. You lot are just all jealous and thats why you moan...

Goodbye
Yes, but it just so happens that he brags about it.

[Causmo]

Yes, but it just so happens that he brags about it.
In which way do i brag about it

[GoldenGrahams]

BWAHAHAHAHA!! AAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!! BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/bradzo/pboj.png

[Wootzeh]

The thread where you said, I got a trophy from callie! actually 2!

[Cheezy2]

God, I hate these threads. The problem is I've done nothing wrong :/ And neither has anyone else really, it's just a big argument of who gets more attention "Oh I'm better than you, Nah nah nah naaaaaaaah nah!".

One thing I hate is people that judge me without knowing me. People who have never ever even spoken a word to me, and just accuse me of being some 'safety freak' (Or so the term appears), and people that accuse me of showing off. Hardly any of you know Anything about me, so wise up with the accusations, if you want to talk to me and see the 'real' cheezy, then send me a Friend Request, and stop writing ignorant, un-true posts about myself.

And yeah, when the hell have I ever won a competition? *shrug*

[al123]

who cares

if he wins again and again its clearly luck but harldy any one enter a lot of comps what if he was just lucky

although i think you should not be able to enter so many comps if youve won so many times for a month of summin

[michaelisgr8]

All You guys are just jelous that you can't play games, and Cuasmo is like the super champ at them. Its got absolutly nothing to do with "who you know"!

[Rawr]

You must admit though and you can't deny this 'friends' or as some people say 'su'ck ups' to staff DO get special treament. Like if they were haxed due to no fault of their own they WOULD get there stuff back with no trouble. They also get invited to special events. :@.

[Cheezy2]

Nope thats rubbish... I had my rares taken because of housekeeping almost 2 weeks ago... I certainly haven't had one of them back - I was told that I had to use the help tool, simple as.

[mat64]

causmo has won a comp from the newsie yet again and they get a special prize could that be the white rollers we have seen?

How did this thread turn into a Causmo hate thread?

[al123]

All You guys are just jelous that you can't play games, and Cuasmo is like the super champ at them. Its got absolutly nothing to do with "who you know"!

hey dude im awesome at playing games on habbo

[Aliness]

Causmo Is Just A Lucky Lad!
He's a Nice Fella Too, I Remember
Talking To Him In The Fansite Drop In
before The WHole Movie THing.
I Say Well In Mate, All THe Way!

[Christopher.]

Hes an alright guy. Nothing special. I didn't know comp existed thats probs why he entered and won.

[Tintinabulation]

I, personally have never met causmo, so I do not want to judge him from how much he wins. It's no good saying it's fixed, because the chances are it isn't, and thats just jealousy talking. Why do you moan at people who do better than you? Okay, you might not be too happy about yourself winning, but at least show some support and stop being so shallow!

"I don't like causmo"
"I'm planning a throne giveaway"
"We love you causmo!"

FGS people, grow up please! causmo has done nothing wrong, only a lot of things right. I'd like to see how you fell when you get get criticized for winning! It is not his fault, so stop being jealous, ignorant poo's, and grow up!

[Aliness]

Ignorant Poo's!
Niceeee :D
Thanks FOr THat!
Well In Boy
If I could Rep Yew I WOuld I dunno If I Can :D

[NekkLe]

As said in the previous posts, I think if you have won a competition you shouldn't be able to enter another for like 5 months etc...
Its funny how he won all ofthose competitions, the majority of Habbos havn't even won anything yet, maybe they never will?
If you have won like 5 times then theres definaltey something funny going on with choosing the winners.

[Jasmin]

As said in the previous posts, I think if you have won a competition you shouldn't be able to enter another for like 5 months etc...
Its funny how he won all ofthose competitions, the majority of Habbos havn't even won anything yet, maybe they never will?
If you have won like 5 times then theres definaltey something funny going on with choosing the winners.
To be honest, he's sort of right, Personally ive never met causmo, and i didnt like his habbowood movie, because it was to obvious, i mean im not calling anyone saftey freak, but it was boring -_- but it has happened now, and i shall let people live :p

[SHlP]

100th Post :) -Spam-

[olympic-games]

Its very rare You get items Published in the Newsie.
Its mainly big names too

[SHlP]

Ill never Win a Competition.. Not popular enough.

*Eats Paper*

[Ostinato]

You all moan how he won HabboWood - hold on a minute, HE WAS VOTED TO WIN THAT - YOU PEOPLE VOTED HIM.

[GommeInc]

As said in the previous posts, I think if you have won a competition you shouldn't be able to enter another for like 5 months etc...
Its funny how he won all ofthose competitions, the majority of Habbos havn't even won anything yet, maybe they never will?
If you have won like 5 times then theres definaltey something funny going on with choosing the winners.
That would help quite alot and it is fishy how he has won all these competitions, especially Habbowood because his movie wasn't exactly good, it was boring to be honest. It was about Safety or something, everyone knows about Safety on Habbo so couldn't he of made a better movie? How he won was amazing, I didn't think lots of people voted for him, perhaps he had aload of kissing up friends that voted for him and not the movie?

[QuackMe]

Causmo's One A Competition, AND!! Just Cause you din't don't mean you can go mental about it..

[NekkLe]

That would help quite alot and it is fishy how he has won all these competitions, especially Habbowood because his movie wasn't exactly good, it was boring to be honest. It was about Safety or something, everyone knows about Safety on Habbo so couldn't he of made a better movie? How he won was amazing, I didn't think lots of people voted for him, perhaps he had aload of kissing up friends that voted for him and not the movie?

Thats what it sounds like.
If you won a competition, you wouldn't be expected to win another 4 more?
I wouldn't, I suppose its got to be something to do with a great deal of friendship and bum smooching :rolleyes:

[GommeInc]

And that, Habbo Staff admire their friends and not the full potential of others, if I was to make an anti-scriptingpatch, they would love me and if a fanous Habbo made something like a New Comp, I would be the most loved., Basically Habbo Staff use/love who makes them more junk.

[NekkLe]

Wouldn't it be nice to wake up in there shoes :p look at your big hand and find that theres a few dinos couple of of other supers.

[Causmo]

Wouldn't it be nice to wake up in there shoes :p look at your big hand and find that theres a few dinos couple of of other supers.
I dont have a few dinos or a couple of other supers ;)

[Kieeran]

I dont have a few dinos or a couple of other supers ;)
he has alot ;)

[Causmo]

he has alot ;)
I paid for most of them ;)

[Shadowrock!]

so cosmo has won a few competitions, its not a big deal really =\. in a way your all just jelous and if you were in the same position youd all be very angry at what ppl are doing to him.

so just lighten up on him, its only a game. i know it seems stupid and unfair but its life.

[:-Mystical.Dave-]

You must admit, staff do have a select few that they favour, like Cheezy2, it's so obvious, either that or a huuuuge coincidence.
I agree, kinda same on Habbo.ca certain people always win comps were staff choose, if it's a speed comp they loose... so I dunno//

[Let Fire Fall]

Why is it that out of thousands of habbos who could of won, you won? You've won loads before. Also you get prezzies from the staff. They adore you. Admit it.
your jealous admit it

[GommeInc]

Causmo is banned? Perhaps he was being snobby to an Admin :$ Anyway as Spencos said, out of hundreds that take part, Causmo has won alot and it is fishy

[howdy]

why are people getting jealous over a paper aeroplane competition?
er, that is really sad.

[NekkLe]

why are people getting jealous over a paper aeroplane competition?
er, that is really sad.

That isn't the point, were not discussing about that.

Read the whole post, I'm too tired to explain everyting! :rolleyes:

[-sFusion-]

I think it is a little weird that he wins so many comps out of all the people on habbo, but if he spent enough time trying to make contacts with higher people good for him i guess. I dunno how you could even get in contact with Callie, but he did and now he's profitting.

Jealous? Yea a bit I admit. But oh well, what can I do about that? Spam cfh until they notice me? I think not. I'll just keep entering comps and hope I get runner up behind Causmo :p

[howdy]

That isn't the point, were not discussing about that.

Read the whole post, I'm too tired to explain everyting! :rolleyes:

Yeah, people are jealous because he wins too many comps by the sounds of things? still sad.

[olympic-games]

The thing is callie can Just Make endless amount`s of supers.
One day they will Move on out of their offices/staring at a screen . And realise How Much time we all spend on a game ,they`ll also realise who spends alot of Moneptand they will realise scritpers are running the asslyum.

[Menshevik]

Hell, if someone gave a lot of money to me I'd love him to. Causmo might spend a lot of moeny on Habbo. Thats why staff love him, if indeed they do.

[cunning]

I wonder what causmo got banned from habbox for?

[al123]

1,173 views now thats good posting for my threads :)

[Jasmin]

:l lmao sory :p i thought it was new LMAO yo know like i thought
" oh god how bad, time to post" and stuff, Geeze i didnt think peopel could be sad enough to bad rep me

[Marcus]

Yes, jelously? me ? yes, a little, i wonder if he will win anymore.... ive never won ANYTHING , i gave up entering funky friday after entering for A YEAR and never one a stickie >:l
OMG Stupid, Bumpin an OLD thread =/=/=/

[Rawr]

Isn't this Thread like really old?

[YellowParasol]

Over a month. :p

[mat64]

Nice of you to dig up a old thread for us :p

[Loui]

How can you mistake a thread which is pages and pages back as new?