oli / matt / agm team

[Niall!]

I'm sure I remember at the time Jin saying Oli would be AGM until new year? Then I got told Matt was resigning in the new year? So just wondering if we can expect general management changes soon?

[Hecktix]

Any rumours of Matt resigning are false, Matt won't be resigning for a good while yet. In terms of myself, It was agreed when I took on this role that I would stay until at least New Year however could leave at this point if I wanted to, i.e. thought it was too much work on top of uni, however I worked out a work-able balance and I can confirm that you shouldn't be seeing any General Management changes for a while as I'm not planning on going anywhere quite yet, Matt and Martin aren't so unless Alkaz plans to do a midnight flit, there'll be no changes :)

[Chippiewill]

Is it me or is there a pattern:

MattGarner resigns as forum manager but will continue as one of our Assistant General Managers. - Matt Leaves Dept. Manager Position, becomes AGM

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=665885 - You leave Dept. Manager Position
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=669676 - You Become AGM

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=678636 - Bolt leaves Dept. Manager Postion
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=681266 - Bolt becomes AGM

Can we expect Jamesy to replace Alkaz any time soon?

[Samantha]

Is it me or is there a pattern:
- Matt Leaves Dept. Manager Position, becomes AGM

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=665885 - You leave Dept. Manager Position
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=669676 - You Become AGM

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=678636 - Bolt leaves Dept. Manager Postion
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=681266 - Bolt becomes AGM

Can we expect Jamesy to replace Alkaz any time soon?

I agree with this. I remember forum members having a go at someone via feedback of someone returning to a management position (Shar). However, doesn't General management have the same rule? I understand that Oli was needed in short notice, I just wondered why Martin is allowed to become AGM, is it because he 'was' the best person for the job and he hadn't left a long time ago or what?


I want a girl general management member!! Roll on Nicola :'( (jks, I don't have a problem with it. Just wondering. :P)

[Chippiewill]

I'm just curious if people are resigning just so they can get to the next step up since there isn't any real clear path of:

Dept Manager --> General Management

And if they don't resign then it's complicated for them to move up because they have to be replaced by someone as well which overcomplicates things with hiring new moderators promoting super moderators etc.

[Nicola]

I'm just curious if people are resigning just so they can get to the next step up since there isn't any real clear path of:

Dept Manager --> General Management

And if they don't resign then it's complicated for them to move up because they have to be replaced by someone as well which overcomplicates things with hiring new moderators promoting super moderators etc.

I don't think it's a case of people resigning just to get a higher position at all. They were obviously just the right people for the job and I completely agree with all General Management changes over the past however many months.

[xxMATTGxx]

Is it me or is there a pattern:
- Matt Leaves Dept. Manager Position, becomes AGM

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=665885 - You leave Dept. Manager Position
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=669676 - You Become AGM

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=678636 - Bolt leaves Dept. Manager Postion
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=681266 - Bolt becomes AGM

Can we expect Jamesy to replace Alkaz any time soon?

Well the difference between me and Oli is that I was Forum Manager while also Acting* as Assistant General Manager. Then I decided to resign and then a few months after It was officially announced I was AGM (Staff). Oh and I don't believe Alkaz is leaving any time soon either way.

*The reason I was Acting AGM Staff is because the AGM Staff at the time (Sammeth) was ill with swine flu and Habbox Management at the time didn't know how long he would be away for.


Oli became AGM Staff because we needed someone who we knew who could do a good job and was going to be dedicated until around the New Year. When it came closer to the New Year myself and Jin decided he could stay for as long as he likes as we have no reasons to get rid of him.

Regarding Martin, he got offered to become Community AGM because is a friendly person and we seem him as they most suitable candidate to take over the Community side of things at Habbox and would do a good job. I'm not saying anyone else couldn't at the time but we thought this was our best option at the time.


I'm just curious if people are resigning just so they can get to the next step up since there isn't any real clear path of:

Dept Manager --> General Management

And if they don't resign then it's complicated for them to move up because they have to be replaced by someone as well which overcomplicates things with hiring new moderators promoting super moderators etc.


Well that doesn't work really because someone in the General Management Team would have to leave. No point resigning beforehand if they haven't been offered the job as then they don't work at Habbox at all.

[Chippiewill]

I don't think it's a case of people resigning just to get a higher position at all. They were obviously just the right people for the job and I completely agree with all General Management changes over the past however many months.

Well, Bolt leaves after being manager for a long time, he could have been promoted at any time but the moment he leaves he's given AGM?

It seems like a case of not promoting people unless you have to so that you can avoid disruption. I guess I have no true evidence and as stated in the past I have no say in terms of management but if people aren't given opportunities / considered because they're a dept manager then that's unfair.

[xxMATTGxx]

Well, Bolt leaves after being manager for a long time, he could have been promoted at any time but the moment he leaves he's given AGM?

It seems like a case of not promoting people unless you have to so that you can avoid disruption.

He didn't get the AGM job straight after he left his previous roles though, so I'm not sure where you are getting this one from. To be honest, I even think Roxy was still part of the management team when he left.

[Hecktix]

I agree with this. I remember forum members having a go at someone via feedback of someone returning to a management position (Shar). However, doesn't General management have the same rule? I understand that Oli was needed in short notice, I just wondered why Martin is allowed to become AGM, is it because he 'was' the best person for the job and he hadn't left a long time ago or what?


I want a girl general management member!! Roll on Nicola :'( (jks, I don't have a problem with it. Just wondering. :P)

My view on this is quite controversial and as AGM Staff it's a policy I encourage most Department Managers to consider when hiring and promoting, at the end of the day jobs at Habbox (especially senior roles) need to be done effectively and because of that you need to hire the best person for the job, I believe that as long as that person has recently contributed to Habbox massively there should be no problem with hiring them in a General Manaement position, Departmental Management position or Senior Staff rank, when people resign from positions it's because of various reasons, I resigned because I needed to take at least a month off from Habbox to settle into university, once I had settled in I planned a return as a Super Moderator however was offered this role.

Other people resign for other reasons, I shalln't go into why Bolt660 resigned from his managerial post before, however I knew he was eagre to get back into Habbox somehow which is why I put him forward as a name for Community AGM when Matt asked if I had any ideas. Sometimes the person who has been in a position the longest etc really isn't the best person for the job and in my eyes as long as they have proved their worth at Habbox in recent times there's no wrong in hiring them, for instance we wouldnt hire the CH Site manager as our Content AGM etc.

[Casanova]

I think it's been really deceptive. It seems that the background goings on when it comes to our general management team are always complicated and offer no transparency for the members. I was always lead to believe (even by staff/management) that Oli would be leaving and I'll be totally honest I don't understand why it was put across unless it was set in stone.

We all know that when Oli leaves Nicola will quit, return as moderator, quit and return as a super moderator? I understand that when your favourite people leave it takes the fun away ie I don't really like the forum as much because it doesn't include the legend that is James!

And no, that wasn't a dig at Nicola, I stated I'd feel the same.

[Samantha]

Didn't they resign for a reason though? Then bang they return at a high position? I thought the whole point of Martin and also Sarah (even though she because SMOD and has now resigned) resigning because they didn't have enough time on their hand or they had enough or something? They 'threw in the towel' I don't see how they can return willy nilly but other people can't.

[Chippiewill]

He didn't get the AGM job straight after he left his previous roles though, so I'm not sure where you are getting this one from. To be honest, I even think Roxy was still part of the management team when he left.

It wasn't long, less than a month. And just because someone hadn't left it doesn't mean that it wasn't on the table at the time. I'm not accusing management of fixing things but perhaps overlooking people because they're doing a good job elsewhere forcing them to take action to be given opportunities.

[xxMATTGxx]

I have no say in terms of management but if people aren't given opportunities / considered because they're a dept manager then that's unfair.

How is that the case though? I was department manager and I got offered to become "Acting" AGM Staff and also carry on with my Forum Manager role because at the time it was only temporary due to Sammeth being away ill. Once he returned, I stayed on being AGM Staff and a few months down the line Sammeth got GM and I became the "Official" AGM Staff.

Any current department manager has a chance of being part of the General Management Team if there is space.

[Samantha]

Is Jamesy becoming* AFM?

I don't mind the current management team that Habbox have. It's just a bit misleading that's all.

Just that bottom bit Matt, how does everyone have a chance. I understand there was time between Roxy resigning and Martin becoming AGM is that the point where dept. managers should show how good they can be?

[Hecktix]

Can I also add:

Alkaz - Content Manager -> Content AGM
Roxy916 - Events Manager -> Community AGM
xxMATTGxx - Forum Manager -> AGM (Staff)
Garion - Forum Manager -> AGM (Staff)

There is a clear path from Department Manager to General Management, I think this includes me and Martin also as if I hadn't had to take my month off to settle into Uni and Martin hadn't had to take his month off we would have still been in the Dept Manager roles and we would have still been offered the roles.

[xxMATTGxx]

Is Jamesy becoming* AFM?

I don't mind the current management team that Habbox have. It's just a bit misleading that's all.

Jamesy currently has no plans on returning to Habbox for the time being.

[scott]

How is that the case though? I was department manager and I got offered to become "Acting" AGM Staff and also carry on with my Forum Manager role because at the time it was only temporary due to Sammeth being away ill. Once he returned, I stayed on being AGM Staff and a few months down the line Sammeth got GM and I became the "Official" AGM Staff.

Any current department manager has a chance of being part of the General Management Team if there is space.

And anyone else who has resigned as well clearly then, since Oli and Martin did? So there is no reason for department manages to try and aim for promotion if others who resigned come back before them.

Not that I'm complaining about them getting it but just pointing it out :P

[Chippiewill]

How is that the case though? I was department manager and I got offered to become "Acting" AGM Staff and also carry on with my Forum Manager role because at the time it was only temporary due to Sammeth being away ill. Once he returned, I stayed on being AGM Staff and a few months down the line Sammeth got GM and I became the "Official" AGM Staff.

Any current department manager has a chance of being part of the General Management Team if there is space.
Obviously if there's no other choice then a Dept Manager would probably be picked but Martin was conveniently available afterwards so it was probably obvious to choose him as a candidate because he wouldn't have to be replaced etc.

[Hecktix]

Obviously if there's no other choice then a Dept Manager would probably be picked but Martin was conveniently available afterwards so it was probably obvious to choose him as a candidate because he wouldn't have to be replaced etc.

I disagree, it's nothing to do with ease of replacement or whether someone will need to be replaced, it is all about the best person for the job itself, If 80% of our Department Managers left their role (via promotion or departure) I could name a suitable replacement right here right now.

[xxMATTGxx]

And anyone else who has resigned as well clearly then, since Oli and Martin did? So there is no reason for department manages to try and aim for promotion of others who resigned come back before them.

There is reasons for them to aim for promotion, it just doesn't always go their way or to them. But General Management doesn't change on a daily/monthly basis and most of us are here long term.

[Samantha]

I disagree, it's nothing to do with ease of replacement or whether someone will need to be replaced, it is all about the best person for the job itself, If 80% of our Department Managers left their role (via promotion or departure) I could name a suitable replacement right here right now.

All the assistants? Apart from forum/graphics as there aren't one. (If I missed a department out I apologize :).)


I'm all for the best person for the job. I just think more people should be given a chance, or at least considered if not.

[scott]

All the assistants? Apart from forum/graphics as there aren't one. (If I missed a department out I apologize :).)


I'm all for the best person for the job. I just think more people should be given a chance, or at least considered if not.

Gonna have to say here but I know for all promotions within habbox more than one person is considered for a promotion. I know when I was management at habboxlive we had a list of at least 4/5 people most times to decide between on promotions so I don't think promotions are just rushed into without any thought :P

[Chippiewill]

I disagree, it's nothing to do with ease of replacement or whether someone will need to be replaced, it is all about the best person for the job itself, If 80% of our Department Managers left their role (via promotion or departure) I could name a suitable replacement right here right now.
But if someone looks snug and comfortable in their job like Martin was or as David is now then you would likely not consider them as a first choice. However say today David left but wanted to help out somewhere and tomorrow Alkaz also did so then David would be an obvious choice because he has managerial experience, wants to be back and would not be disrupting any departments in doing so (Although David would happily continue his current roles and take on new roles anyway :P).

[Samantha]

Gonna have to say here but I know for all promotions within habbox more than one person is considered for a promotion. I know when I was management at habboxlive we had a list of at least 4/5 people most times to decide between on promotions so I don't think promotions are just rushed into without any thought :P

Oh I understand that :P I didn't mean it in that way. I just mean Habbox has an exceptionally good Assistant Manager base at the moment so they would probably be the best people to take up the role. :)

[Inseriousity.]

Personally, when people resign from comps, I make them apply again to prove to me they want to return to the department for the right reasons. However, for general management, my opinion is slightly different in that there are a number of suitable people for the job outside of the department management (including those who resign) team that would do just as good a job. I'll be honest and I'm perfectly happy working beside Martin but I was crossing my fingers for Rosie to have a second chance as I remember when she was AGM before and she would've been a good one if it wasn't for the illness. The point being that this time, she was only a forum (super?) moderator.

[AgnesIO]

I don't think it's a case of people resigning just to get a higher position at all. They were obviously just the right people for the job and I completely agree with all General Management changes over the past however many months.

Can we be honest here though, Nicola? Nobody leaves because they don't have enough time, then suddenly gain enough time to do an even more time consuming job :P

Also, we all know Oli was never going to leave. It is similar to me saying I am never going to post again. Yeah, right!

I dont think we can expect changes any time soon, but hey I might be wrong.

Although I would love to see some changes :P

[Mathew]

I just mean Habbox has an exceptionally good Assistant Manager base at the moment
I completely agree.

I think the point everyone is trying to make is.. it's odd how someone can resign due to "lack of time" (oh how poetic), but then they find the time to come back at a higher "status" (if you will). Obviously if you had to resign for reasons then you'd have no interest in returning with more responsibility.

But then again, I'm not moaning. In all seriousness, I do think Martin is a fabulous Community AGM, and he resigned fully and came back, so hey.. I'm really not wanting to complain. At the end of the day, it really does come down to who is the best person for the job. From trialist to department management, there is a system and a structure to it; people know the ranks and people know the next promotion step.. but once it goes to General Management, we need to remember that this isn't structured and it shouldn't be structured. It's all down to choosing the best.

[Samantha]

I completely agree.

I think the point everyone is trying to make is.. it's odd how someone can resign due to "lack of time" (oh how poetic), but then they find the time to come back at a higher "status" (if you will). Obviously if you had to resign for reasons then you'd have no interest in returning with more responsibility.

But then again, I'm not moaning. In all seriousness, I do think Martin is a fabulous Community AGM, and he resigned fully and came back, so hey.. I'm really not wanting to complain. At the end of the day, it really does come down to who is the best person for the job. From trialist to department management, there is a system and a structure to it; people know the ranks and people know the next promotion step.. but once it goes to General Management, we need to remember that this isn't structured and it shouldn't be structured. It's all down to choosing the best.

I do understand where you are coming from, and I do agree it is the best person for the job.
However, I still do think it should be the same for all departments.

Also agreeing with Matt, the reason people resigned was because they didn't have enough time I will agree people have been saying it they have came back with a more time consuming job. I think Habbox needs fresh faces.

[-Danube-]

Only read bits at the top about bringing back resigned Dept. Managers as General management and this is my comment:

When someone is given General Management they must now give up their role as a Dept. Manager to concentrate on their AGM role. I don't think Matt/Jin wants to take managers who are good at what they do out of their departments as that could be bad for the Dept. If they have the opportunity to bring someone back who is good enough to be AGM and wants to do it, then fair play to them!

Not gonna lie, would love the opportunity to be part of GM but i'd seriously think twice about taking the role knowing that i'd have to give up Rare Values. And i'm sure many other Dept. Managers would think twice too and may even reject the offer such as Mike and David who both love their depts.

Thats my piece anyway. I hope none of them leave, we've had enough GM changes for a while thankyou!

[Martin]

Sometimes just plucking people out of knowhere can make things worse. This has been proven on certain other fansites where "randomers" to that particular forum have been put in high position jobs and the whole community has kind of fell apart and stuff :P

Also, people have different reasons for resigning, and sometimes a little break can make all the difference after you've been doing something for over a year. :P

Yes, new faces are always nice to see, however I don't think it would work at all to put people into positions which require experience in certain areas of the job.

Habbox itself is doing really well again in my opinion, and I think it's going to continue to grow and succeed. This won't happen if there isn't a stable general management who all get on, work together, have unique ideas for their areas and have the passion to make this fansite brilliant. If you keep changing too much around then problems arise and things take longer to improve. I actually love this role, and I am going to do my upmost best to do well with it to ensure that habbox remains fantastic and to ensure that the community side of things are improved upon and our status on the hotel itself increased.

[-Danube-]

Sometimes just plucking people out of knowhere can make things worse. This has been proven on certain other fansites where "randomers" to that particular forum have been put in high position jobs and the whole community has kind of fell apart and stuff :P

Also, people have different reasons for resigning, and sometimes a little break can make all the difference after you've been doing something for over a year. :P

Yes, new faces are always nice to see, however I don't think it would work at all to put people into positions which require experience in certain areas of the job.

Habbox itself is doing really well again in my opinion, and I think it's going to continue to grow and succeed. This won't happen if there isn't a stable general management who all get on, work together, have unique ideas for their areas and have the passion to make this fansite brilliant. If you keep changing too much around then problems arise and things take longer to improve. I actually love this role, and I am going to do my upmost best to do well with it to ensure that habbox remains fantastic and to ensure that the community side of things are improved upon and our status on the hotel itself increased.


Totally agree with the bolded part, i left for a year and a bit then came back and worked my way back up into RV manager again, nice to have a break and come back with new ideas and more maturity.

[Samantha]

It's the HxHD scenario all over again imo.

Was it Jordan who was put into position as you can only gain managerial skills with a role of being a manager.

I know the Gm role is more work and is looking over more departments but surely that requires being in the role too.

Just a question:
Say Joe resigned and David, who would become content AGM, would you make David it or would you rather choose Skizzling?

A little break can make a difference, so why can't you just post away for a few days instead?
However, I don't see how in some cases 2 days can make a difference.

[xxMATTGxx]

It's the HxHD scenario all over again imo.

Was it Jordan who was put into position as you can only gain managerial skills with a role of being a manager.

I know the Gm role is more work and is looking over more departments but surely that requires being in the role too.

Just a question:
Say Joe resigned and David, who would become content AGM, would you make David it or would you rather choose Skizzling?

A little break can make a difference, so why can't you just post away for a few days instead?
However, I don't see how in some cases 2 days can make a difference.

We don't answer such questions because it isn't fair on anyone you have listed and hiring anyone into the General Management Team is up to myself and Jin. But I don't think this is the whole "HxHD scenario" again either.


However, I don't see how in some cases 2 days can make a difference.

Which person you aiming that to? Martin? Martin didn't go away for two days.

[-Danube-]

It's the HxHD scenario all over again imo.

Was it Jordan who was put into position as you can only gain managerial skills with a role of being a manager.

I know the Gm role is more work and is looking over more departments but surely that requires being in the role too.

Just a question:
Say Joe resigned and David, who would become content AGM, would you make David it or would you rather choose Skizzling?

A little break can make a difference, so why can't you just post away for a few days instead?
However, I don't see how in some cases 2 days can make a difference.

AGM Content could go to any of the Content Dept managers tbh, so News management could get it. It doesn't mean someone who can make pages (but it helps) its more overseeing content departments and thinking up new pages and content to put on Habbox. Content Design Manager (Calv) is the person who's main job is to make pages with HTML and coding etc.

[Samantha]

We don't answer such questions because it isn't fair on anyone you have listed and hiring anyone into the General Management Team is up to myself and Jin. But I don't think this is the whole "HxHD scenario" again either.



Which person you aiming that to? Martin? Martin didn't go away for two days.


I wasn't aiming it at a managerial role Sarah was in a managerial role and then resigned and came back 2 days later I think.
However, it's not a dig at Sarah, it was the only example I could think of :).
Not arguing or anything, I don't have anything wrong with the management team, I just think fresh faces are needed!
Also Martin was off for about 3 weeks I do agree that's enough time.
Also members on the forum wanted Martin to become (AGM) staff after Garion's departure, however it was Oli who stepped in if I'm not mistaken, and he was suppose to leave at New Year however I think he is doing a good job at the moment.

[Chippiewill]

We don't answer such questions because it isn't fair on anyone you have listed and hiring anyone into the General Management Team is up to myself and Jin. But I don't think this is the whole "HxHD scenario" again either.



Which person you aiming that to? Martin? Martin didn't go away for two days.
It wasn't very long at all, only a couple of weeks.

[-Danube-]

I wasn't aiming it at a managerial role Sarah was in a managerial role and then resigned and came back 2 days later I think.
However, it's not a dig at Sarah, it was the only example I could think of :).
Not arguing or anything, I don't have anything wrong with the management team, I just think fresh faces are needed!

Also Martin was off for about 3 weeks I do agree that's enough time.

Fresh faces!! Have you seen the amount of management resignations we've had. Fresh aint always best, Habbox Managers are like fine wine! We need time to age and then we taste better!

LOL love metaphors

[Samantha]

Fresh faces!! Have you seen the amount of management resignations we've had. Fresh aint always best, Habbox Managers are like fine wine! We need time to age and then we taste better!

LOL love metaphors

But I've been here almost 2 years and they are all near enough the same faces. However, atm I like most of the gm team so all good right? :P.

[Chippiewill]

Fresh faces!! Have you seen the amount of management resignations we've had. Fresh aint always best, Habbox Managers are like fine wine! We need time to age and then we taste better!

LOL love metaphors

Habbox Managers are like fine wine! If they're let out in the open they go sour and turn into vinegar.

[xxMATTGxx]

I wasn't aiming it at a managerial role Sarah was in a managerial role and then resigned and came back 2 days later I think.
However, it's not a dig at Sarah, it was the only example I could think of :).
Not arguing or anything, I don't have anything wrong with the management team, I just think fresh faces are needed!
Also Martin was off for about 3 weeks I do agree that's enough time.
Also members on the forum wanted Martin to become (AGM) staff after Garion's departure, however it was Oli who stepped in if I'm not mistaken, and he was suppose to leave at New Year however I think he is doing a good job at the moment.

I can understand why people wanted Martin to become AGM Staff at the time when Garion resigned. Yes Oli did get the job and still is doing a good job at the role, hence why he never left at the New Year after me and Jin decided he can stay and carry in with the role till whenever he decides to go fully.



It wasn't very long at all, only a couple of weeks.

Maybe it wasn't but Martin got the job and was the person who we thought would be the best at the job at the time, he wasn't the only one on our list either.


Habbox Managers are like fine wine! If they're let out in the open they go sour and turn into vinegar.

Haha, love it.

[Chippiewill]

Maybe it wasn't but Martin got the job and was the person who we thought would be the best at the job at the time, he wasn't the only one on our list either.
But a plus certainly was that you wouldn't have to remove a department manager from a department.

[-Danube-]

Same faces? Hmmm

AGM Staff has changed hands a few times in the last 6 months, Roxy was AGM Comm for just over a year and i think Joe has been too. As for Dept Managers, in RV we had 3 new RV managers last year and obvs 3 new assistants, even though me and previous manager were manager a couple of year ago too.

Forum manager has changed loads. HxHD manager changed this year, Events changed, News changed. I think near enough every Dept had a manager change, i think those are enough fresh faces! We can't have managers changing all over the place, the best managers are those that stay for atleast 6 months, that way you actually manage to change things and bring the department forward.

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Habbox Managers are like fine wine! If they're let out in the open they go sour and turn into vinegar.

Yeah but Habbox is a packet of chips and our Staff are like sprinkles of salt.... we just go perfect together :)

[xxMATTGxx]

But a plus certainly was that you wouldn't have to remove a department manager from a department.

If that's what you want to think, then fair enough. But that wouldn't stop us asking us a department manager to be a member of the General Management Team if they thought they would be the best at it. If they accept, fantastic. If they don't, then we just go back to our list and ask the next person.

[Samantha]

Same faces? Hmmm

AGM Staff has changed hands a few times in the last 6 months, Roxy was AGM Comm for just over a year and i think Joe has been too. As for Dept Managers, in RV we had 3 new RV managers last year and obvs 3 new assistants, even though me and previous manager were manager a couple of year ago too.

Forum manager has changed loads. HxHD manager changed this year, Events changed, News changed. I think near enough every Dept had a manager change, i think those are enough fresh faces! We can't have managers changing all over the place, the best managers are those that stay for atleast 6 months, that way you actually manage to change things and bring the department forward.

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Yeah but Habbox is a packet of chips and our Staff are like sprinkles of salt.... we just go perfect together :)


I was talking about General Management.

The only things that have changed really since I have been here are:

- Sammeth. leaving
- Catzsy being ill
- Roxy hiring
- Roxy resigning
- Martin hiring
- garion resigning
- oli returning
- matt promoting

I do agree there may have been a lot. However, most if not all of them were big names before they were in a gm role. That's all. :).


Also I can see where you are coming from whoever said they may not want to leave their department. Honestly if I was dedicated and was worthy and got offered a promotion then more than likely I wouldn't take it.

[Inseriousity.]

I wasn't aiming it at a managerial role Sarah was in a managerial role and then resigned and came back 2 days later I think.
However, it's not a dig at Sarah, it was the only example I could think of :).
Not arguing or anything, I don't have anything wrong with the management team, I just think fresh faces are needed!
Also Martin was off for about 3 weeks I do agree that's enough time.
Also members on the forum wanted Martin to become (AGM) staff after Garion's departure, however it was Oli who stepped in if I'm not mistaken, and he was suppose to leave at New Year however I think he is doing a good job at the moment.

So you don't have anything wrong with the team but you think fresh faces are needed? Eh? Don't dilute your opinion just to avoid arguments and such. As long as you keep it constructive, we can only disagree with you :D

I agree with Matt (as in Mathew). There should be some structure in the lower/medium staff levels just to keep things running like clockwork but the general management shouldn't be structured as it's a bigger job and (assistant) general managers generally stay for a long time than lower staff.

[-Danube-]

I was talking about General Management.

The only things that have changed really since I have been here are:

- Sammeth. leaving
- Catzsy being ill
- Roxy hiring
- Roxy resigning
- Martin hiring
- garion resigning
- oli returning
- matt promoting

I do agree there may have been a lot. However, most if not all of them were big names before they were in a gm role. That's all. :).


Also I can see where you are coming from whoever said they may not want to leave their department. Honestly if I was dedicated and was worthy and got offered a promotion then more than likely I wouldn't take it.

I think you have to be a pretty big name in order to get into general management. I don't mean in terms of popularity on the forum, but i mean in terms of people knowing who you are because you speak out and get involved etc, you can't be having a quiet member of general management who knowone has a clue who they are :P

[Samantha]

So you don't have anything wrong with the team but you think fresh faces are needed? Eh? Don't dilute your opinion just to avoid arguments and such. As long as you keep it constructive, we can only disagree with you :D



I wasn't.

I do not have anything against the general management team. Correct.
Yes I do want new faces.
However, Martin has been chosen, I can't do anything about it, I'd have to live with it regardless of what I wanted.
Martin will be a good agm but it doesn't mean that fresh faces are unneeded.
And maybe, when another spot comes up then a new, fresh face may take a role in a gm's shoes.

Did I explain myself clearly, I do know what I'm trying to say it's just harder typing it.

[-Danube-]

I can't understand though, cos Martin was a fresh face to GM?

[Samantha]

I can't understand though, cos Martin was a fresh face to GM?

Agreed. However, I think I included forum management as a gm role when I shouldn't have. :P
g2g.

[Hecktix]

I think some people are kinda having ago at people for resigning and coming back which I think is harsh, if someone resigned and was like LOL HABBOX IS **** I HATE YOU ALL and then wanted to come back... fair enough don't rehire them, they resigned for a reason and shouldnt be rewarded further.

However, I don't see the issue with people resigning and then deciding to come back A) if they regret their decision soon after B) when they resigned they informed management there was a possibility of returning.

The example of A would be Sarah, she resigned as Assistant Forum Manager however asked if she could return as a Super Moderator a few days later knowing we were low on Super Moderators and didn't really have anyone in the team capable of being promoted. What's wrong with that?

The example of B would be me, I resigned knowing I would have to leave Habbox for at least 1 month due to moving to a completely new part of the country and setting up a new life, I told Jin and Matt that I would consider returning if the time was right and I had enough time, I considered returning as a Moderator/Super Moderator however before I had chance to ask, I was asked by Jin if I had settled in and found if I had time spare - when the answer was yes he offered me the job. I don't think there's anything wrong with that either, I know we've kinda agreed that General Management is different to normal staff however I believe that in my instance I should have been allowed to return as a Moderator or Super Moderator as I didn't ditch Habbox, I had no choice - and I will continue hiring staff and allowing staff to be hired in this way - it's my job.

People who resign aren't evil, they have reasons - if those reasons go away or they change their mind they are more than welcome to return, unless they've been gone a long time OR have resigned/returned/resigned returned a lot. That's how it works here and it's not going to change whilst I'm in charge of staff.

[Samantha]

I think some people are kinda having ago at people for resigning and coming back which I think is harsh, if someone resigned and was like LOL HABBOX IS **** I HATE YOU ALL and then wanted to come back... fair enough don't rehire them, they resigned for a reason and shouldnt be rewarded further.

However, I don't see the issue with people resigning and then deciding to come back A) if they regret their decision soon after B) when they resigned they informed management there was a possibility of returning.

The example of A would be Sarah, she resigned as Assistant Forum Manager however asked if she could return as a Super Moderator a few days later knowing we were low on Super Moderators and didn't really have anyone in the team capable of being promoted. What's wrong with that?

The example of B would be me, I resigned knowing I would have to leave Habbox for at least 1 month due to moving to a completely new part of the country and setting up a new life, I told Jin and Matt that I would consider returning if the time was right and I had enough time, I considered returning as a Moderator/Super Moderator however before I had chance to ask, I was asked by Jin if I had settled in and found if I had time spare - when the answer was yes he offered me the job. I don't think there's anything wrong with that either, I know we've kinda agreed that General Management is different to normal staff however I believe that in my instance I should have been allowed to return as a Moderator or Super Moderator as I didn't ditch Habbox, I had no choice - and I will continue hiring staff and allowing staff to be hired in this way - it's my job.

People who resign aren't evil, they have reasons - if those reasons go away or they change their mind they are more than welcome to return, unless they've been gone a long time OR have resigned/returned/resigned returned a lot. That's how it works here and it's not going to change whilst I'm in charge of staff.

Would moving to another fansite then asking to return to Habbox be allowed?

[Hecktix]

Would moving to another fansite then asking to return to Habbox be allowed?

Well that would be well and truly deserting Habbox in the manner we've said that the people who are allowed to return haven't - so definitely not in management however if a member of staff resigned for a bit, went to another fansite for a bit, came back here after a month and there was a position open in the department they worked for I'd have no issue with letting them have it if they had good reasons for wanting to return and they were a good member of staff.

[HotelUser]

I think someone resigning because they dislike someone then returning when they've gone is ridiculous (fortunately this doesn't really happen all too often, I do think it's extremely petty). There's always going to be people you work with who you don't like. Bold acts like this, or ragging on them around the clock is really silly when the two people can exist separately and in peace. That's really the biggest thing that I don't like - which in a sense is outright targeting other people who haven't necessarily ever done anything to anyone else other than hold a position you don't want them in. You should hold a position at Habbox because you like what the job entails, the title surrounding the job as well as who else is doing it when it has no affect on you should be entirely irrelevant and if not then you're really here for the wrong reasons :P

I think someone resigning because they want a "higher position" isn't something that I've seen happen much at habbox other than several users who have resigned because they didn't get a position they wanted throughout the years. Sometimes this coincides with the above and they resign out of protest (again, how much could they value and enjoy their position here if they're willing to stop doing it over something as petty) or sometimes they've set their goals higher than they think they can achieve and they just step down in an act of "giving up" sortospeak.

I think someone resigning and then regretting it is okay, then deciding to return. I think this happens frequently, and probably anyone who's been working at Habbox for longer than a year has hesitated over the decision to resign before.

[Jsoh]

I see no problem with people who have done a fantastic job as a manager leaving for a short period because they have irl issues, then coming back and becoming a high position. It happens in loads of fansites, regardless of the persons past if they are the best bet for the job then they will get offered it (if the person who offers it them wants to improve habbox, which mattg obviously wants to.)

[Catzsy]

I think if the management of Sulake, Facebook, twitter, Habbo were interrogated about what staff they hired and why they would be told to 'sod off as it is none of their business'. Members of this forum are not shareholders and in that way do not have a say in how it is run, however, as a community based forum there has always been great emphasis of asking members for their opinions but to me this is a step too far.

[AgnesIO]

I think if the management of Sulake, Facebook, twitter, Habbo were interrogated about what staff they hired and why they would be told to 'sod off as it is none of their business'. Members of this forum are not shareholders and in that way do not have a say in how it is run, however, as a community based forum there has always been great emphasis of asking members for their opinions but to me this is a step too far.

Although I see where you are coming from, Habbox is not like any of those websites - and the users have a very good idea about how things work behind the scenes. Sas, but true.

[Hecktix]

Although I see where you are coming from, Habbox is not like any of those websites - and the users have a very good idea about how things work behind the scenes. Sas, but true.

I disagree, the users know very little about how Habbox works behind the scenes hence a lot of the arguments that occur in feedback.

[Chippiewill]

I disagree, the users know very little about how Habbox works behind the scenes hence a lot of the arguments that occur in feedback.
And this is why Habbox management should be more open rather than conspiring together in an MSN chat window. You alienate your members :(

[Matthew]

I don't see that the problem is :S

Surely if the person hired was best for the job, then there's nothing to complain about?
As much as I'd like to be given an opportunity to be a SMOD, I know that for now at least there's been better people than me out there, so thats that. What can I do?

At the end of the day, for habbox to move forward we need the best people occupying the higher positions.

[Hecktix]

And this is why Habbox management should be more open rather than conspiring together in an MSN chat window. You alienate your members :(

We are much more open than most other fansites in our league and people forget that we're one of the most open to ideas too, especially over the past 18 months or so.

[Chippiewill]

We are much more open than most other fansites in our league and people forget that we're one of the most open to ideas too, especially over the past 18 months or so.
It's not so much being open to ideas, it's also about opening up your own ideas and such.

[Hecktix]

It's not so much being open to ideas, it's also about opening up your own ideas and such.

We do this a lot more than previous management I tend to find - I don't really remember many times beyond the past year where all 4 members of General Management actively posted in feedback bouncing ideas around and even interacting with members on the Hotel, that is said with no disrespect to previous management but they were very much more closed and did this a lot less than we do, we can't reveal everything to members as that's not how these kind of things work.

[HotelUser]

It's not so much being open to ideas, it's also about opening up your own ideas and such.

I'd say there's a division between what's appropriate to discuss with users and what's inappropriate and would give the appearance of unprofessionalism as well as the undoubtable amount of additional arguing that would take place between users and the management team if certain things were discussed, and other things more in depth.

Compared to Habbox past feedback today is much more fluid and all the more welcome.

[Chippiewill]

We do this a lot more than previous management I tend to find - I don't really remember many times beyond the past year where all 4 members of General Management actively posted in feedback bouncing ideas around and even interacting with members on the Hotel, that is said with no disrespect to previous management but they were very much more closed and did this a lot less than we do, we can't reveal everything to members as that's not how these kind of things work.

I disagree, General management very rarely put out their own ideas for discussion and development and will usually just take an initial idea and add a little to it. And it's not so much all four members actively posting, it's all four members actively discussing amongst themselves and then sending you off with the general decision of how to react.

[Hecktix]

I disagree, General management very rarely put out their own ideas for discussion and development and will usually just take an initial idea and add a little to it. And it's not so much all four members actively posting, it's all four members actively discussing amongst themselves and then sending you off with the general decision of how to react.

I disagree, you only have to look in feedback threads to see General Management discussing their thoughts with people, at the end of the day we are put in these positions to make decisions and sometimes these decisions are going to be disliked - as David said, there are things which are right to discuss and things which aren't, we're pretty good at discussing the things which are right to discuss with the public, definitely in comparison with former General Management teams (I'm not saying they were wrong to do this either).

[Chippiewill]

I disagree, you only have to look in feedback threads to see General Management discussing their thoughts with people, at the end of the day we are put in these positions to make decisions and sometimes these decisions are going to be disliked - as David said, there are things which are right to discuss and things which aren't, we're pretty good at discussing the things which are right to discuss with the public, definitely in comparison with former General Management teams (I'm not saying they were wrong to do this either).

You may occasionally put an idea or a thought forward in part of a discussion however you will never have an idea or a thought that'll provoke discussion that you put out for forum members to dwell upon. I'm not sure when the last time general management had a good idea that wasn't provoked by forum members. Unprovoked ideas that management have are never put forward to users to be developed and improved and are simply put out as part of updates.

[Hecktix]

You may occasionally put an idea or a thought forward in part of a discussion however you will never have an idea or a thought that'll provoke discussion that you put out for forum members to dwell upon. I'm not sure when the last time general management had a good idea that wasn't provoked by forum members. Unprovoked ideas that management have are never put forward to users to be developed and improved and are simply put out as part of updates.

We don't need member approval for our ideas though, that's the thing, member feedback is listened to however this should not turn into members discussing the ideas that management put forward for the site, we're in these positions to manage the site, we do what we do and users are welcome to feedback afterwards, that's how a hierachy works, Habbox isn't democratic, wouldn't work if it was democratic and won't ever be democratic.

[Chippiewill]

We don't need member approval for our ideas though, that's the thing, member feedback is listened to however this should not turn into members discussing the ideas that management put forward for the site, we're in these positions to manage the site, we do what we do and users are welcome to feedback afterwards, that's how a hierachy works, Habbox isn't democratic, wouldn't work if it was democratic and won't ever be democratic.
That's a bit of a 'Shoot first ask questions later' kind of scenario, it's not so much asking for permission from users but allowing users to develop an idea further so that it's better when it first arrives. You can either not ask and put out a nice idea poorly conceived or ask and put out a nice idea well conceived.

[Hecktix]

That's a bit of a 'Shoot first ask questions later' kind of scenario, it's not so much asking for permission from users but allowing users to develop an idea further so that it's better when it first arrives. You can either not ask and put out a nice idea poorly conceived or ask and put out a nice idea well conceived.

So you are saying when managers don't ask users what we do is poor? Interesting, that's not what gets us into these positions.

[nvrspk4]

Responding to what I see as the main points of the thread...

As far as openness, discussions regarding forum policies and other things are often discussed with users, but there are certain things that are never discussed with members. Actually two things: discipline and staffing. Disciplining of members (infractions, cautions, bans) and staffing (warnings, demotions, firings, promotions) are the only things that aren't discussed with the public, for very obvious reasons. We try to maintain a level of professionalism and airing everyone's dirty laundry will devolve the conversation into namecalling and borderline slander.

When you hear about a complain about Habbox being "secretive" or "not open" with its members, it's almost always about staffing decisions, or about disciplinary decisions. That's because Habbox is NOT open about those things, has made that clear, and has solid reasons. I think that the fact that complaints about "openness" really only come to light when there are staffing/disciplinary issues highlights how well Habbox has done on being open on nearly all other issues. Certainly there are glitches but General Management teams have, with very few exceptions, been constantly improving on the openness of content and community based changes to Habbox.

Regarding the "shoot first ask questions later", ideas by General Management are usually born out of what the users want. Certainly from time to time we come up with big things that our users never started (Habbo Knowledge Guide, HxSS, special events, some new features) but the majority of the management's time is spent doing things that will make the user experience better. The easiest way to do that is to respond to issues the users have. If someone expresses a problem and a solution, the management might not feel that the solution is a good idea. But perhaps a few weeks later, management comes up with an idea to solve the problem differently, and they will implement it. They'll kick it around a bit and if it seems to work, they'll run with it. So usually most decisions are in some way responsive to user input.

Also, on the current issue. Habbox is changing and experiencing some different times. In the past GMs and AGMs have mostly been promoted from department manager. In this case there was a special need for a certain staff member and for a variety of reasons that I'm sure General Management considered carefully but doesn't want to make public, Oli was the viable choice. I'm sure the same thing was true with Bolt. We're going through strange times with Habbox but I'm sure they're making every effort to elevate the current managers, but certain circumstances probably made the decision they made the best possible decision given the situation.

Why aren't they telling us the circumstances so that we can then say, oh yeah, that makes sense? Because there would probably be an ensuing debate about whether manager x or manager y could have fit the criteria and then there will be hurt feelings among the brilliant management team which the General Management obviously values and doesn't want to hurt. Making public the reasons why the other potential candidates weren't chosen, or why the current candidate was chosen, though promoting openness, would sow discontent and some bad feeling among potential candidates and the management team in general.

[Pyroka]

I love threads like these. In the old days, it'd pretty much be whoever was the longest serving member of staff would get the position, which is why they wouldn't leave. This was always the case and everyone knew it, the longest-working people would get the position based on their long loyalty to Habbox. If you left, you wouldn't get another position at Habbox.

Now it's if you leave, you'll be more likely to get a promotion than when you were currently Management. People have proven that in this thread, so it's hard to deny the fact that the rules on recruiting Management changed. Now I'm not placing the blame on anyone, I Just think It's a bit weird that this is the case Now whereas it wouldn't have been a good year or two ago.

I'm not going to deny that the members of management that got promoted deserved their position, but I do think others deserve it internally as to asking people who left Habbox to come back. I'd be well miffed if I were a Manager here, waiting for a promotion for hard work & then being told someone who left has trumped me for the position. I'm sure the Managers below AGM were annoyed at the time, but this is Habbox where everything is "professional" so we wouldn't ever know that for certain (unless you know them personally, in which case you probably do).

Anyway, just my two cents. :)

[Catzsy]

I love threads like these. In the old days, it'd pretty much be whoever was the longest serving member of staff would get the position, which is why they wouldn't leave. This was always the case and everyone knew it, the longest-working people would get the position based on their long loyalty to Habbox. If you left, you wouldn't get another position at Habbox.Now it's if you leave, you'll be more likely to get a promotion than when you were currently Management. People have proven that in this thread, so it's hard to deny the fact that the rules on recruiting Management changed. Now I'm not placing the blame on anyone, I Just think It's a bit weird that this is the case Now whereas it wouldn't have been a good year or two ago.

I'm not going to deny that the members of management that got promoted deserved their position, but I do think others deserve it internally as to asking people who left Habbox to come back. I'd be well miffed if I were a Manager here, waiting for a promotion for hard work & then being told someone who left has trumped me for the position. I'm sure the Managers below AGM were annoyed at the time, but this is Habbox where everything is "professional" so we wouldn't ever know that for certain (unless you know them personally, in which case you probably do).

Anyway, just my two cents. :)

My memory of the history of Habbox is not quite the same as yours. I can remember 'rapid' promotions back in the days with long serving staff waiting even longer. If a valuable, long serving member of staff has to resign due to personal reasons why shouldn't they be brought back if they are willing. I remember Seacat leaving and being brought back under similar circumstances and that was back in 2006/2007. Jrh has returned under similar circumstances. If somebody has the qualities, attributes and experience and is basically the best person for the post it would be a bit of a travesty not to appoint them. It was not envisaged that Roxy would resign and tbh I do not think there would be one member of staff who would not say that Martin is not perfectly suited to the role. I would say if Habbox brought in new people from other sites straight into management this discussion would be valid. :P

[Pyroka]

[B]

My memory of the history of Habbox is not quite the same as yours. I can remember 'rapid' promotions back in the days with long serving staff waiting even longer. If a valuable, long serving member of staff has to resign due to personal reasons why shouldn't they be brought back if they are willing. I remember Seacat leaving and being brought back under similar circumstances and that was back in 2006/2007. Jrh has returned under similar circumstances. If somebody has the qualities, attributes and experience and is basically the best person for the post it would be a bit of a travesty not to appoint them. It was not envisaged that Roxy would resign and tbh I do not think there would be one member of staff who would not say that Martin is not perfectly suited to the role. I would say if Habbox brought in new people from other sites straight into management this discussion would be valid. :P

I don't remember Jrh being brought back tbh, you've probably got a longer experience on HxF than I do. But as I said though, I wasn't saying that who they bring back aren't good for the job, I just simply think that other people should be given a chance instead. And Habbox would never bring people into Management from other sites, even if that site was called Habbo.com (yes they wouldn't even recruit Sulake staff lol), never gonna even consider that possibility as it's one of those sites where you have to work your way up to the top... However, from what I see it's work your way almost to the top, quit, and get higher which is a bit confusing lol.

By the way, I'm going off on a tangent a bit here but what job did Jamesy have before being a Forum/Site Technician (technician of some sort anyway)? Because I don't recall him having one... I guess you could say that's me going off on a tangent, but it kinda relates to what I'm saying here. I mean, I could suggest FlyingJesus to be a member of Management and I bet he'd be excellent for it but obv because he doesn't get along with certain people, he'd never get that job. I think you can see what I'm getting at here, and I bet a lot of users reading this post already knew from when they just started reading page 1 of this thread. Actually, informed users probably didn't even need to see this thread.

I say users, because that also comes under Staff. Oh the heretics with their opinions lol.

[Samantha]

I don't remember Jrh being brought back tbh, you've probably got a longer experience on HxF than I do. But as I said though, I wasn't saying that who they bring back aren't good for the job, I just simply think that other people should be given a chance instead. And Habbox would never bring people into Management from other sites, even if that site was called Habbo.com (yes they wouldn't even recruit Sulake staff lol), never gonna even consider that possibility as it's one of those sites where you have to work your way up to the top... However, from what I see it's work your way almost to the top, quit, and get higher which is a bit confusing lol.

By the way, I'm going off on a tangent a bit here but what job did Jamesy have before being a Forum/Site Technician (technician of some sort anyway)? Because I don't recall him having one... I guess you could say that's me going off on a tangent, but it kinda relates to what I'm saying here. I mean, I could suggest FlyingJesus to be a member of Management and I bet he'd be excellent for it but obv because he doesn't get along with certain people, he'd never get that job. I think you can see what I'm getting at here, and I bet a lot of users reading this post already knew from when they just started reading page 1 of this thread. Actually, informed users probably didn't even need to see this thread.

I say users, because that also comes under Staff. Oh the heretics with their opinions lol.

Some of them do 'seem' correct imo, however in some cases there are some people who actually deserve their position, however, that's mostly in the dept. managers.

On the other hand you have a lot more experiecene than me, and I can only talk about so much, so what happened 3/4 years ago doesn't really ring a bell to me.

If the management rules have changed, then it may have been good being informed :).

Also I agree at you saying some of the regular forum members could do a great job as management (not me) but some of the people who actually appear 'rebelish' and also don't get on with some staff could actually be a help to the site.

[Catzsy]

I don't remember Jrh being brought back tbh, you've probably got a longer experience on HxF than I do. But as I said though, I wasn't saying that who they bring back aren't good for the job, I just simply think that other people should be given a chance instead. And Habbox would never bring people into Management from other sites, even if that site was called Habbo.com (yes they wouldn't even recruit Sulake staff lol), never gonna even consider that possibility as it's one of those sites where you have to work your way up to the top... However, from what I see it's work your way almost to the top, quit, and get higher which is a bit confusing lol.

By the way, I'm going off on a tangent a bit here but what job did Jamesy have before being a Forum/Site Technician (technician of some sort anyway)? Because I don't recall him having one... I guess you could say that's me going off on a tangent, but it kinda relates to what I'm saying here. I mean, I could suggest FlyingJesus to be a member of Management and I bet he'd be excellent for it but obv because he doesn't get along with certain people, he'd never get that job. I think you can see what I'm getting at here, and I bet a lot of users reading this post already knew from when they just started reading page 1 of this thread. Actually, informed users probably didn't even need to see this thread.

I say users, because that also comes under Staff. Oh the heretics with their opinions lol.


Jamesy was a Mod and then an Smod for quite a long time :D Well if FJ wants a job I am sure he will apply although I am sure he was a Manager once. There was a time when I would not have been able to get a job here but there we are these things happen. I do not really think that as long as someone is suitable for a job then they should not work their way up as Martin certainly did. He was the New Manager for an awful long time.

[Pyroka]

Some of them do 'seem' correct imo, however in some cases there are some people who actually deserve their position, however, that's mostly in the dept. managers.

On the other hand you have a lot more experiecene than me, and I can only talk about so much, so what happened 3/4 years ago doesn't really ring a bell to me.

If the management rules have changed, then it may have been good being informed :).

Also I agree at you saying some of the regular forum members could do a great job as management (not me) but some of the people who actually appear 'rebelish' and also don't get on with some staff could actually be a help to the site.

People seem to have a short memory of when Hecktix was a forum rebel and was permenantly banned. However becoming friends with the right people not only escalates you to Forum Manager after being banned from the said forum, but also when you leave you're treated at such a high manner that you're asked back for a higher role than what you previously were. I'm not picking on Oli specifically, but he is and always will be the one example for that argument.

And regarding Management rules being changed, I wouldn't hold your breath because there never was any written rules, simply unwritten rules that seem to be twisted whenever it suits them.


Jamesy was a Mod and then an Smod for quite a long time :D Well if FJ wants a job I am sure he will apply although I am sure he was a Manager once. There was a time when I would not have been able to get a job here but there we are these things happen. I do not really think that as long as someone is suitable for a job then they should not work their way up as Martin certainly did. He was the New Manager for an awful long time.

Ah I couldn't remember that at all! :P Can't even remember him becoming FM tbh! And like, FlyingJesus, as well as the likes of Neversoft & GommeInc have contributed tons to Habbox yet they've never ever been considered for a position in management, though FlyingJesus did because... well, I dunno why he was to be honest but judging by the amount of support the Habbox Council got, which he was the manager of(?), he wasn't that highly considered. Martin was News Manager for an awful long time yeah, but when it comes to it why would someone leave? I mean, would it be due to personal reasons? Or that they have no time on there hands to do so? So why would they leave in the first place and later come back as a higher position, literally like a week or two after they like. I don't get that at all, I remember that somebody resigned from HxHD (possibly Shar?) and they had to build their way back to the top, yet in any other department this is not the case, no in fact, if you leave then you end up getting a higher position than what you had, or equally returning to the position you once had. Double standards? I think so.

One other person I'd like to give an honorable mention to is Immenseman. He contributed so much to Habbox, yet when management were given the chance they fully shut him out and cast him out as some sort of criminal. Now I know the reasons for why he was cast out as a criminal, but do you think he would've done that if he was treated with some respect like most ex-management are? Do you think he would've ever been asked back to be AGM (Community), considering in my opinion, he has more experience than Roxy and Martin have put together?

Bluntly put, no. He's not friends with the right people, and General Management have a grudge against him. Thats what it boils down to nowadays, if you're not friends with them, you can forget about it.

[Catzsy]

People seem to have a short memory of when Hecktix was a forum rebel and was permenantly banned. However becoming friends with the right people not only escalates you to Forum Manager after being banned from the said forum, but also when you leave you're treated at such a high manner that you're asked back for a higher role than what you previously were. I'm not picking on Oli specifically, but he is and always will be the one example for that argument.

And regarding Management rules being changed, I wouldn't hold your breath because there never was any written rules, simply unwritten rules that seem to be twisted whenever it suits them.

I have to say this is extremely unfair and not at all the truth - it is pure subjecture.
I am sure Oli won't mind me mentioning this but when he came back after being banned and applied to be a mod and was accepted I thought management had lost their marbles BUT how very wrong I was. He worked extremely hard in that role and deserved his promotion to Smod. Since then he has dedicated a lot of his time to positively contribute to Habbox in all senses of the word and has done a remarkable job of it. I am not going into the reason he was perm banned before but you have to consider who banned him and the fact that people do learn from their mistakes and mature as individuals.

[Pyroka]

I have to say this is extremely unfair and not at all the truth - it is pure subjecture.
I am sure Oli won't mind me mentioning this but when he came back after being banned and applied to be a mod and was accepted I thought management had lost their marbles BUT how very wrong I was. He worked extremely hard in that role and deserved his promotion to Smod. Since then he has dedicated a lot of his time to positively contribute to Habbox in all senses of the word and has done a remarkable job of it. I am not going into the reason he was perm banned before but you have to consider who banned him and the fact that people do learn from their mistakes and mature as individuals.

I have to say also that your post is an extremely biased point of view. Oli was a total rebel, and in anyone elses position they would not have ever been considered for a Moderator. That is like saying Minstrels (Matty) who has been banned so many times, applied for a Moderator & then went onto be a Forum Manager. He would never be given a Moderator role after being banned, and I'm pretty sure Matt hasn't even been perm banned (though I don't come on here much now so maybe you dealt that harsh blow a while ago lol). I mean you look at the list of requirements for applying for Moderator, Oli did not fit that role, he never would've fit that role in a million years due to his past & yet Habbox Management put it aside for him. Special treatment at best. I'm not denying Oli has done a good job, but there was simply no way he should've ever been given a Moderator job & further on from that.

[Catzsy]

I have to say also that your post is an extremely biased point of view. Oli was a total rebel, and in anyone elses position they would not have ever been considered for a Moderator. That is like saying Minstrels (Matty) who has been banned so many times, applied for a Moderator & then went onto be a Forum Manager. He would never be given a Moderator role after being banned, and I'm pretty sure Matt hasn't even been perm banned (though I don't come on here much now so maybe you dealt that harsh blow a while ago lol). I mean you look at the list of requirements for applying for Moderator, Oli did not fit that role, he never would've fit that role in a million years due to his past & yet Habbox Management put it aside for him. Special treatment at best. I'm not denying Oli has done a good job, but there was simply no way he should've ever been given a Moderator job & further on from that.

How am I biased? I was not an Oli fan then (sorry Oli:P). I think I know a lot more than you about the work Oli has done for Habbox having worked as an Smod when he was a new mod and and as an Smod with him so I am able to comment supporting it. He came back to the forum, didn't break the rules and was an active and postive member and proved himself before being offered a mod post. This is something that any member even if they have been the worst rebel around can do if they want to and maybe the forum would be a better place for it.

[Yupt]

I personally think that it shouldn't be about what's fair, not to promote one person but the other etc. It should be about who's best for the job, we're trying to make things work the best for habbox.

I know many of you will find that harsh but it's to the point.

For the department issue, thats that an assistant manager is for, they learn to be in a managerial role and over a month or two should be perfectly ready to take over as manager.

Sure you may lose great department managers such as Martin with news, but there were people ready to step up.

[Grig]

At the end of the day it is Jin's decision to who he wants to hire in his general management team. He can have his mother doing her stuff if he so wished, it's the perks about being the owner. This isn't the first time things like this have happened. Jrh2002 was brought it from no-where as radio manager when Adzeh quit in September 2007. Garion was brought in as news manager from no where in August 2009, why? Because people knew they could do a good job. As long as the right person is brought in, who has proved themselves in the past, then it's a go ahead. Management aren't always chosen in an internal hierarchal basis. I wouldn't start assuming the the current forum manager would be the next AGM of staff and what not, it could be someone completely different, but someone fit for the job. I think Oli's hiring was a good deed as it was when Habbox was in a dent, and with someone who knows their stuff in that capacity, Habbox was able to re-garner strength and lead itself onto the road to recovery.

As for the argument, that well why is someone who was a forum rebel management? Well, it's all about giving chances, for a time Ryan, when I wanted to hire you at news, general management would have nothing of it. Then eventually, Garion agreed and you turned out to be a very fine news reporter. Thing change, people change. I'm sure you weren't the same person you were 5 years ago. Adzeh used to be an elite scammer himself, a couple of years before he was management, that argument is pretty much pointless.

[Samantha]

I have to say this is extremely unfair and not at all the truth - it is pure subjecture.
I am sure Oli won't mind me mentioning this but when he came back after being banned and applied to be a mod and was accepted I thought management had lost their marbles BUT how very wrong I was. He worked extremely hard in that role and deserved his promotion to Smod. Since then he has dedicated a lot of his time to positively contribute to Habbox in all senses of the word and has done a remarkable job of it. I am not going into the reason he was perm banned before but you have to consider who banned him and the fact that people do learn from their mistakes and mature as individuals.

No one ever sees to believe me when I talk about myself in that manner.
However, I agree Oli is doing a fine job.


I have to say also that your post is an extremely biased point of view. Oli was a total rebel, and in anyone elses position they would not have ever been considered for a Moderator. That is like saying Minstrels (Matty) who has been banned so many times, applied for a Moderator & then went onto be a Forum Manager. He would never be given a Moderator role after being banned, and I'm pretty sure Matt hasn't even been perm banned (though I don't come on here much now so maybe you dealt that harsh blow a while ago lol). I mean you look at the list of requirements for applying for Moderator, Oli did not fit that role, he never would've fit that role in a million years due to his past & yet Habbox Management put it aside for him. Special treatment at best. I'm not denying Oli has done a good job, but there was simply no way he should've ever been given a Moderator job & further on from that.

He was banned on minstrels and now has a new forum account.
I think I was here when Oli had just got unbanned, so I can't really speak about Oli's past. However, he has grown on me, when he was first made Acting AGM I hated him! (sorry) Like I said, he's grown on me though.


At the end of the day it is Jin's decision to who he wants to hire in his general management team. He can have his mother doing her stuff if he so wished, it's the perks about being the owner. This isn't the first time things like this have happened. Jrh2002 was brought it from no-where as radio manager when Adzeh quit in September 2007. Garion was brought in as news manager from no where in August 2009, why? Because people knew they could do a good job. As long as the right person is brought in, who has proved themselves in the past, then it's a go ahead. Management aren't always chosen in an internal hierarchal basis. I wouldn't start assuming the the current forum manager would be the next AGM of staff and what not, it could be someone completely different, but someone fit for the job. I think Oli's hiring was a good deed as it was when Habbox was in a dent, and with someone who knows their stuff in that capacity, Habbox was able to re-garner strength and lead itself onto the road to recovery.

As for the argument, that well why is someone who was a forum rebel management? Well, it's all about giving chances, for a time Ryan, when I wanted to hire you at news, general management would have nothing of it. Then eventually, Garion agreed and you turned out to be a very fine news reporter. Thing change, people change. I'm sure you weren't the same person you were 5 years ago. Adzeh used to be an elite scammer himself, a couple of years before he was management, that argument is pretty much pointless.

Agreed. If someone had been a rebel in the past (like Oli apparently) then I agree the reasons should be considered and then a decision should be made whether they get a second chance or not!

[Hecktix]

In terms of "hiring past rebels" I'd like to think Habbox has quite a fair policy on that, to highlight myself as an example I returned to this forum on this account after 18 months of being banned - the ban on this account was unfair as stated by General Management at the time, I think in it's history this account has had something like 4 infractions - I rebelled when this account was banned and had the forum account I used whilst banned permanently banned fairly in 2007 - I didn't use Habbox very much in 2008 until around the end of the year when I asked Nvr to look into the ban on this account, he unbanned it realising there was nothing supporting the ban.

I didn't become a moderator here until June 09, after returning around Dec 08 - during this time I got three PMs from a moderator, one for posting a picture of Garion as a baby (which it turned out Garion didn't mind), one for calling Clarissa fat (which again, turned out she didn't mind) and one filter avoidance (woo for example pointing out moderation is fairer) - so that's a good 6/7 months of good behaviour.

As AGM Staff it's my responsibility to say yes or no when I get permissions requests in regards to staff and I have one simple policy regarding rebels, if their rebelling wasn't much (unlike my case) then I'd like to see at least a month of good behaviour from the rebel before letting them be staff. If the rebel was someone like Pleke etc if they came to habbox and gave us 6 months of good behaviour - I'd let them return in any role, another example here is bethie - hell bethie used to be a cow (sorry beth xo) to people on hxf and had more banned accounts than I did, she returned a few years later and showed signs of maturity and became a HxL DJ, I was going to hire her as a moderator until she broke a couple of rules the day I was going to do it (sorry for singling you out bethie).

In my position it'd be hypocritical to say we don't give people chances, we do and always will, as Grig pointed you out Ryan - you are another example. Nobody should be saying they know how this place is run staffwise as not many people are aware of my policies in regards to appointing staff and as Nvrspk said this is something that won't ever be revealed.

[Sarah]

I think that I'm mimicking something that Jin said in regards to when someone was promoted to Manager (and people didn't agree with) or promoted at all to be honest, and that staffing has not and will not be discussed with people and frankly isn't anyone's concern. In my case, I only returned as a Super Moderator because we were low on them (and of course, I knew that we would need someone quick due to me being the assistant and offered to come back and help). I didn't see any issue with it myself because all the Moderators at the time were fairly knew - also I only returned for a short space of time and helped when I could whilst still only having a limited time to do it in. Promotions will always be contraversial, you will always get someone who will throw their toys out the pram and then evidently see that it was a mistake or return when the person has left. In my personal opinion staff shouldn't assume that because they have been there the longest in a senior position that they will be promoted because from personal experience (and I think Mrs.Mccall spoke about this before) it doesn't always happen.

[Niall!]

I'm not sure why people are saying people being permed with 4 infractions is ludicrous and a thing that happened under old General Management teams. How many did Graham/Jake have when they were permanently banned? The system will always be the same. The people who are seen as rule breakers and have personalities that means they get noticed won't be treated the same as users who constantly break rules but don't post as much. Anyway, it's probably a good thing there are no impending General Management changes because although the forum is very limp perhaps consistency will go some way to resolve this.

[AgnesIO]

At the end of the day it is Jin's decision to who he wants to hire in his general management team. He can have his mother doing her stuff if he so wished, it's the perks about being the owner. This isn't the first time things like this have happened. Jrh2002 was brought it from no-where as radio manager when Adzeh quit in September 2007. Garion was brought in as news manager from no where in August 2009, why? Because people knew they could do a good job. As long as the right person is brought in, who has proved themselves in the past, then it's a go ahead. Management aren't always chosen in an internal hierarchal basis. I wouldn't start assuming the the current forum manager would be the next AGM of staff and what not, it could be someone completely different, but someone fit for the job. I think Oli's hiring was a good deed as it was when Habbox was in a dent, and with someone who knows their stuff in that capacity, Habbox was able to re-garner strength and lead itself onto the road to recovery.

As for the argument, that well why is someone who was a forum rebel management? Well, it's all about giving chances, for a time Ryan, when I wanted to hire you at news, general management would have nothing of it. Then eventually, Garion agreed and you turned out to be a very fine news reporter. Thing change, people change. I'm sure you weren't the same person you were 5 years ago. Adzeh used to be an elite scammer himself, a couple of years before he was management, that argument is pretty much pointless.

People change. Some people seem to be given that, some don't.

I'm not sure why people are saying people being permed with 4 infractions is ludicrous and a thing that happened under old General Management teams. How many did Graham/Jake have when they were permanently banned? The system will always be the same. The people who are seen as rule breakers and have personalities that means they get noticed won't be treated the same as users who constantly break rules but don't post as much. Anyway, it's probably a good thing there are no impending General Management changes because although the forum is very limp perhaps consistency will go some way to resolve this.

'Personality'. Guess that is one way to describe it.

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To be fair, I don't see why this is still going on. At the end of the day, Jin pretty much runs Habbox. If he wants to hire Graham as the next General Manager, he can.

[nvrspk4]

I love threads like these. In the old days, it'd pretty much be whoever was the longest serving member of staff would get the position, which is why they wouldn't leave. This was always the case and everyone knew it, the longest-working people would get the position based on their long loyalty to Habbox. If you left, you wouldn't get another position at Habbox.

First of all, props for presenting your argument rationally and calmly. With that said, from personal experience I can say this is categorically false. Many people were "fast-tracked" and rose through the ranks quickly because they were being recruited for a job. If we're talking about the irritating factor, that is more irritating than someone who's been here a while, left, and then gets the job.

Also, people who had been there for a long time were often passed over. It happened quite a bit, and it also happened to me. So I can say from personal experience, people were picked because they had certain qualities, and I was ok with it. I was put in many roles for a long period of time and I got promoted because I stuck with it even after other people got promoted, and eventually I got my shot. So I've been in the position of a manager who was passed over and it really wasn't as bad as you're making it to be. I've also had to deal with discontent managers and it usually works out fairly quickly.

So, no, contentious hirings are not a new thing. Even ex-staff members coming back is not a new thing, many admins and (A)GMs were brought back from retirement. Being brought back directly at AGM may seem strange, however Seacat and jrh were both brought back directly.


I don't remember Jrh being brought back tbh, you've probably got a longer experience on HxF than I do. But as I said though, I wasn't saying that who they bring back aren't good for the job, I just simply think that other people should be given a chance instead. And Habbox would never bring people into Management from other sites, even if that site was called Habbo.com (yes they wouldn't even recruit Sulake staff lol), never gonna even consider that possibility as it's one of those sites where you have to work your way up to the top... However, from what I see it's work your way almost to the top, quit, and get higher which is a bit confusing lol.

It happened a couple times but isn't necessarily a set-in-stone pattern. Things are different.


By the way, I'm going off on a tangent a bit here but what job did Jamesy have before being a Forum/Site Technician (technician of some sort anyway)? Because I don't recall him having one... I guess you could say that's me going off on a tangent, but it kinda relates to what I'm saying here. I mean, I could suggest FlyingJesus to be a member of Management and I bet he'd be excellent for it but obv because he doesn't get along with certain people, he'd never get that job. I think you can see what I'm getting at here, and I bet a lot of users reading this post already knew from when they just started reading page 1 of this thread. Actually, informed users probably didn't even need to see this thread.

I say users, because that also comes under Staff. Oh the heretics with their opinions lol.

I don't think this is that relevant, Forum/Site Technicians have a history of being out of the blue, it's almost tradition. People with sufficient technical skills, the time, and the trust, are few and far between. When we find someone, we take them. Going through most of the Forum and Site Technicians, you will see many were brought back or simply moved into the position from an unrelated position. The position is pure merit, there is no path to Forum or Site Technician, though being an admin can help with the former and being a CD can help with the latter, though once again it's not at all a set path.


People seem to have a short memory of when Hecktix was a forum rebel and was permenantly banned. However becoming friends with the right people not only escalates you to Forum Manager after being banned from the said forum, but also when you leave you're treated at such a high manner that you're asked back for a higher role than what you previously were. I'm not picking on Oli specifically, but he is and always will be the one example for that argument.

Trust me, I know what a rebel Oli was, he tried to start a rebellion against me ;) There were good reasons for what happened, and at first there were limits, which changed as the management team changed. Many people have been rebels and have been allowed back, as long as there wasn't too much malice or we feel that they were properly reformed.

Case in point: Mrs.McCall (sorry Joey) who did apologize a few days after the incident and was allowed back much later when he calmed down and also showed us that we wouldn't have a repeat. Although we've been bitten by that sometimes, but we deal with it appropriately.



Ah I couldn't remember that at all! :P Can't even remember him becoming FM tbh! And like, FlyingJesus, as well as the likes of Neversoft & GommeInc have contributed tons to Habbox yet they've never ever been considered for a position in management, though FlyingJesus did because... well, I dunno why he was to be honest but judging by the amount of support the Habbox Council got, which he was the manager of(?), he wasn't that highly considered. Martin was News Manager for an awful long time yeah, but when it comes to it why would someone leave? I mean, would it be due to personal reasons? Or that they have no time on there hands to do so? So why would they leave in the first place and later come back as a higher position, literally like a week or two after they like. I don't get that at all, I remember that somebody resigned from HxHD (possibly Shar?) and they had to build their way back to the top, yet in any other department this is not the case, no in fact, if you leave then you end up getting a higher position than what you had, or equally returning to the position you once had. Double standards? I think so.

GommeInc could have had a management position if he wanted one, I think he just couldn't be assed to deal with working his way up or involving himself. I think it was something different than Habbox Council, Habbox Council I ran, I think FJ ran Community Support. Though I swear he was Articles Manager at some point...maybe just staff. There are members that are a large part of the community that choose not to enter management. And some that do and leave (ie: Mentor).

I do see your point about leaving and returning at a higher position, and that doesn't usually happen, though with AGM sometimes it does. However that's rare as far as promotion within a department, promotion to AGM is slightly different. The real reason this is happening is because there's a shortage of staff. Sarah was saying her return to SMod was because of a need for SMods. And though there might be qualified managers, it may be the case that they are vital to their department, and General Management told them this, and it was decided that they'll stay in their department. That's pure conjecture though (but it is based off of experience).


One other person I'd like to give an honorable mention to is Immenseman. He contributed so much to Habbox, yet when management were given the chance they fully shut him out and cast him out as some sort of criminal. Now I know the reasons for why he was cast out as a criminal, but do you think he would've done that if he was treated with some respect like most ex-management are? Do you think he would've ever been asked back to be AGM (Community), considering in my opinion, he has more experience than Roxy and Martin have put together?

Bluntly put, no. He's not friends with the right people, and General Management have a grudge against him. Thats what it boils down to nowadays, if you're not friends with them, you can forget about it.

That's not true at all. Immenseman went a little bit rebellious, I still have respect for him and I don't think it's a stretch to say that we have an amicable relationship, but I think he made the decision to separate himself from the management team, I'm having trouble recalling the specifics. They may have eventually booted him but I also remember he did some things that surprised me...I'm getting old.

He was always friends with the right people, he's actually the antithesis of your point :P But I agree he did quite a good job.


I think that I'm mimicking something that Jin said in regards to when someone was promoted to Manager (and people didn't agree with) or promoted at all to be honest, and that staffing has not and will not be discussed with people and frankly isn't anyone's concern.

Sometimes discussions about the procedure for staffing decisions can be discussed, though it is absolutely policy not to debate individual appointments, and that the decisions made are not up for debate. Sometimes management will allow debate about procedures, it will almost always be allowed via PM and sometimes will be allowed in public threads. At least, this was past policy.


That said, this disclaimer applies to this post and my last. Obviously I am no longer a part of management and so my comments should not be taken as the "official" or "management" view, just the opinions of a member who has some past experience with the matters.

[FlyingJesus]

I think someone resigning because they dislike someone then returning when they've gone is ridiculous (fortunately this doesn't really happen all too often, I do think it's extremely petty). There's always going to be people you work with who you don't like. Bold acts like this, or ragging on them around the clock is really silly when the two people can exist separately and in peace. That's really the biggest thing that I don't like - which in a sense is outright targeting other people who haven't necessarily ever done anything to anyone else other than hold a position you don't want them in. You should hold a position at Habbox because you like what the job entails, the title surrounding the job as well as who else is doing it when it has no affect on you should be entirely irrelevant and if not then you're really here for the wrong reasons :P

I disagree entirely - in the real world that might be the case, you have to do the job and get on with it, but here everything is about who you're working with. Teamwork is something that's far far more successful when the team all get along, and of course if it's made more enjoyable then people will do better jobs of it. I know from experience that having one or two members of the management team that the rest don't like means that more effort gets put into rounding up ways to get rid of them than actually doing their jobs


Surely if the person hired was best for the job, then there's nothing to complain about?

100% true, nice/fair is not an issue


I love threads like these. In the old days, it'd pretty much be whoever was the longest serving member of staff would get the position, which is why they wouldn't leave. This was always the case and everyone knew it, the longest-working people would get the position based on their long loyalty to Habbox. If you left, you wouldn't get another position at Habbox.

I went from trialist articles writer to Community Support manager in 2 months what are you on about


People seem to have a short memory of when Hecktix was a forum rebel and was permenantly banned. However becoming friends with the right people not only escalates you to Forum Manager after being banned from the said forum, but also when you leave you're treated at such a high manner that you're asked back for a higher role than what you previously were. I'm not picking on Oli specifically, but he is and always will be the one example for that argument.

He and I have never been famously friendly but he's not the same guy as the old Hecktix was, and it's not like that was last week or something. That said, yeah why should having friends in high places not do you favours? As I've written above, a team of friends works far better than a team at each others' throats, so it makes plenty of sense to get the people you like into big positions if they're able to do the job


Ah I couldn't remember that at all! :P Can't even remember him becoming FM tbh! And like, FlyingJesus, as well as the likes of Neversoft & GommeInc have contributed tons to Habbox yet they've never ever been considered for a position in management, though FlyingJesus did because... well, I dunno why he was to be honest but judging by the amount of support the Habbox Council got, which he was the manager of(?), he wasn't that highly considered.

I got that position because I'm good friends with Sam, and at the time I used to talk to nvr and the AGM team quite a bit so I just kept bugging him about it. When I got the job I made a team of my friends and with the extremely limited powers we were given (ie: pretty much none that we were supposed to have) we did a fair amount of work because there was no "cba, don't like him anyway" factor to it. Council was managed by nvr, I was on the executive board or whatever but the entire thing was a joke anyway and I'd have never advocated its creation if I hadn't been 100% certain that I'd be in on it :P

That isn't to say that I'm not amazing and worthy of the jobs, I clearly am as people always say in these threads (keep feeding my ego btw people I love it) but as per the point of the thread, I'm simply not friends with the current upper management, and there's no point hiring someone you're scared of


GommeInc could have had a management position if he wanted one, I think he just couldn't be assed to deal with working his way up or involving himself. I think it was something different than Habbox Council, Habbox Council I ran, I think FJ ran Community Support. Though I swear he was Articles Manager at some point...maybe just staff.

Yeah never managed articles, I got the department shut down before I could get promoted :P
Bolded bit is a very important point, I can't speak for Ryan obviously but I know for me that is the case - I'd take a management spot because that's what I'm good at, but wouldn't do the normal jobs because that doesn't interest me and I'd do rush jobs of it. Articles was an exception because I do like to write, but even then I just used things that I'd already written in the past and posted them to show off how great I am

[Mrs.McCall]

Eek, I've been mentioned a few times in this thread so I thought I'd pitch in.

The argument about rebels and such isn't fair. I was given chances and I think I earnt them. The time I resigned rather publically as News Manager over my dispute with Nvr was a personal thing with him as GM that I felt was justified. Still, I apologised. Yet, when I wanted to return to News, I was declined several times. Based on nothing but my previous reputation. I think it's unfair. It even got to the point where there were arguments between people. I was then allowed to return on a trial basis, something I found to be completely unfair considering all my time at Habbox and the fact I was a manager. I then proved myself to a valuable asset and I am now a Senior in Articles.

I wasn't given a trial, however, without having to do some serious convincing. Martin is a great manager but at first I was treated unfairly and based on reputation.

I do feel that Habbox is a bit of a boys club these days in terms of General Management. I think people do get promoted based more on their relationship with General Management rather than their talents yet everytime, they've proved themselves to be a valuable asset. It may not be fair but it gets the job done. Martin's promotion was well deserved but I can understand why people are confused. He left Habbox because he felt it was time to move on, I understand and we've all been there, yet he changed his mind so was given a General Management position. This isn't a slight on him but I feel that had it been anyone else, that wouldn't have happened.

And can anyone honestly say if Seacat or Adzeh wanted back in News they'd have to do a trial? I think that there needs to be a similar rule for everyone when it comes to returning after resignation/dismissal.

I want to reitorate this isn't me having a go. Martin is fantastic, he's a nice guy but he'll admit he was a tough nut for me to crack!

[nvrspk4]

Eek, I've been mentioned a few times in this thread so I thought I'd pitch in.

The argument about rebels and such isn't fair. I was given chances and I think I earnt them. The time I resigned rather publically as News Manager over my dispute with Nvr was a personal thing with him as GM that I felt was justified. Still, I apologised. Yet, when I wanted to return to News, I was declined several times. Based on nothing but my previous reputation. I think it's unfair. It even got to the point where there were arguments between people. I was then allowed to return on a trial basis, something I found to be completely unfair considering all my time at Habbox and the fact I was a manager. I then proved myself to a valuable asset and I am now a Senior in Articles.

I wasn't given a trial, however, without having to do some serious convincing. Martin is a great manager but at first I was treated unfairly and based on reputation.

I do feel that Habbox is a bit of a boys club these days in terms of General Management. I think people do get promoted based more on their relationship with General Management rather than their talents yet everytime, they've proved themselves to be a valuable asset. It may not be fair but it gets the job done. Martin's promotion was well deserved but I can understand why people are confused. He left Habbox because he felt it was time to move on, I understand and we've all been there, yet he changed his mind so was given a General Management position. This isn't a slight on him but I feel that had it been anyone else, that wouldn't have happened.

And can anyone honestly say if Seacat or Adzeh wanted back in News they'd have to do a trial? I think that there needs to be a similar rule for everyone when it comes to returning after resignation/dismissal.

I want to reitorate this isn't me having a go. Martin is fantastic, he's a nice guy but he'll admit he was a tough nut for me to crack!

I don't want to derail the thread so I won't get into specifics, but to be fair, although I completely agree that not rehiring you was almost exclusively linked to the way in which you chose to make your departure, it wasn't me disliking you that was the rationale for letting you return. I've let people I dislike back into Habbox, if there is no legitimate reason to keep them out, the GMs personal opinion isn't a good reason except for the AGM team.

That said, I should bring up that point. If as AGM you're not going to be able to work with the GM, you will not be promoted, nor should you be. For me, it wasn't that I needed proof that I could work with you, I'd try out anyone qualified. However, if you had showed me that it would be difficult to work with you, then I probably wouldn't promote you, because if you were to be my AGM you'd need to function well as a part of a very critical four-man-team. So it's not that you need to be "in", it's just that you need to have not been too difficult. Even then it's not impossible, but I'll refrain from citing cases :P

[Martin]

Eek, I've been mentioned a few times in this thread so I thought I'd pitch in.

The argument about rebels and such isn't fair. I was given chances and I think I earnt them. The time I resigned rather publically as News Manager over my dispute with Nvr was a personal thing with him as GM that I felt was justified. Still, I apologised. Yet, when I wanted to return to News, I was declined several times. Based on nothing but my previous reputation. I think it's unfair. It even got to the point where there were arguments between people. I was then allowed to return on a trial basis, something I found to be completely unfair considering all my time at Habbox and the fact I was a manager. I then proved myself to a valuable asset and I am now a Senior in Articles.

I wasn't given a trial, however, without having to do some serious convincing. Martin is a great manager but at first I was treated unfairly and based on reputation.

I do feel that Habbox is a bit of a boys club these days in terms of General Management. I think people do get promoted based more on their relationship with General Management rather than their talents yet everytime, they've proved themselves to be a valuable asset. It may not be fair but it gets the job done. Martin's promotion was well deserved but I can understand why people are confused. He left Habbox because he felt it was time to move on, I understand and we've all been there, yet he changed his mind so was given a General Management position. This isn't a slight on him but I feel that had it been anyone else, that wouldn't have happened.

And can anyone honestly say if Seacat or Adzeh wanted back in News they'd have to do a trial? I think that there needs to be a similar rule for everyone when it comes to returning after resignation/dismissal.

I want to reitorate this isn't me having a go. Martin is fantastic, he's a nice guy but he'll admit he was a tough nut for me to crack!


I think the main difference was that I didn't know you well at the time/how you worked within a team and all I had in front of me was facts about how your management ended etc.

I personally feel that if a manager has had no experience working with someone, doesn't know how well they would work (because they haven't had chance to see a) your application in the first place, b) how well you worked etc then I don't see what's wrong with making it on a trial basis. Managers want to ensure that they are hiring the perfect people for the roles, and you can't always base things on assumption and sometimes it is nice to gain an idea of how well people work and their working styles etc (as was proved when I saw how good you were).

Another issue being that things within departments will change, the level of reporters may step up, and the manager may want to take people who they have no experience with back on a trial basis. I think in this case it was merely that I had already planned out what direction my staffing was going, and that I wanted to take things cautiously, rather than just say to everyone from the past who I'd not seen working within the department "oh sure yeah come back". Other departments do this on a trial basis too, and I think it doesn't do any harm.


I don't think you were treated unfairly at all and I think I had every right to be a little cautious before deciding to hire you, and yes I was tough on you- mainly because I had my departments best interests at heart, and needed to ensure that the team dynamics would be good and that you were as good as I hoped you were (which you were).


Regarding the AGM bit, I'm not sure why it's such an issue really. There are no set rules as to who becomes/should become the next agm, and I think Jin/Matt would do this based on a lot of things and wouldn't take the decision lightly. It depends on what area it is I guess, and community agm involves interacting with the community, running promotions/events and managing community staff effectively to ensure that the links within habbo and the community remain strong and that the Habbox name is out there. These are things that you gain experience in when you're managing a department for over a year, having worked in three community based departments (rv, events & comps) and also being part of forum management for a short while. I'm not saying I'm perfect for the job, but I do think it's something I could certainly have a good go at. If I had left for a very long period of time, things would have changed.- The people/dynamics and overall feel of the forum/sites would have changed and it wouldn't have been right for me to even attempt the role. It really is based on experience, however providing you're up to date with what the role requires of you. It's happened many times before- people have changed their minds and returned on numerous occasions, and in the past I can remember the times where the staff agm role has been open and people have said "oo bolt will get this etc etc" and the fact is- you never can tell what will happen here. Jin/Management make these decisions for a reason and it's always for the good of the fansite.

I don't think you can apply a similar rule here. Mostly it's quite simple to work out whether you would feel comfortable with someone in a role, and it's quite easy to work out whether they would have the skills/dedication required to carry out that job effectively. It depends on current circumstance, but most importantly- what the manager(s) above feel is the right thing to do. If they had offered me another role or even a trial I would have accepted- mainly because I am doing this because I enjoy being part of Habbox, and taking that short break made me realise this more.

[Inseriousity.]

I disagree entirely - in the real world that might be the case, you have to do the job and get on with it, but here everything is about who you're working with. Teamwork is something that's far far more successful when the team all get along, and of course if it's made more enjoyable then people will do better jobs of it. I know from experience that having one or two members of the management team that the rest don't like means that more effort gets put into rounding up ways to get rid of them than actually doing their jobs

I'd say it was the same in real life too although as it's a career rather than a hobby, it's more subtle! :)

I don't think any managers think it's unfair that people resigned then came back as AGM. They hire who they want to hire and it's easier to work with them than saying 'grr you took my job' :P

At the end of the day, it's an online game not a job with Lord Sugar.

[HotelUser]

I don't think public complaints about promotions should ever be something allowed to be discussed, in the past it's just hurt feelings (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=669454&highlight=shar) and all it will do is hurt feelings now and in the future.

[Hecktix]

Eek, I've been mentioned a few times in this thread so I thought I'd pitch in.

The argument about rebels and such isn't fair. I was given chances and I think I earnt them. The time I resigned rather publically as News Manager over my dispute with Nvr was a personal thing with him as GM that I felt was justified. Still, I apologised. Yet, when I wanted to return to News, I was declined several times. Based on nothing but my previous reputation. I think it's unfair. It even got to the point where there were arguments between people. I was then allowed to return on a trial basis, something I found to be completely unfair considering all my time at Habbox and the fact I was a manager. I then proved myself to a valuable asset and I am now a Senior in Articles.

I wasn't given a trial, however, without having to do some serious convincing. Martin is a great manager but at first I was treated unfairly and based on reputation.

I do feel that Habbox is a bit of a boys club these days in terms of General Management. I think people do get promoted based more on their relationship with General Management rather than their talents yet everytime, they've proved themselves to be a valuable asset. It may not be fair but it gets the job done. Martin's promotion was well deserved but I can understand why people are confused. He left Habbox because he felt it was time to move on, I understand and we've all been there, yet he changed his mind so was given a General Management position. This isn't a slight on him but I feel that had it been anyone else, that wouldn't have happened.

And can anyone honestly say if Seacat or Adzeh wanted back in News they'd have to do a trial? I think that there needs to be a similar rule for everyone when it comes to returning after resignation/dismissal.

I want to reitorate this isn't me having a go. Martin is fantastic, he's a nice guy but he'll admit he was a tough nut for me to crack!


I don't want to derail the thread so I won't get into specifics, but to be fair, although I completely agree that not rehiring you was almost exclusively linked to the way in which you chose to make your departure, it wasn't me disliking you that was the rationale for letting you return. I've let people I dislike back into Habbox, if there is no legitimate reason to keep them out, the GMs personal opinion isn't a good reason except for the AGM team.

That said, I should bring up that point. If as AGM you're not going to be able to work with the GM, you will not be promoted, nor should you be. For me, it wasn't that I needed proof that I could work with you, I'd try out anyone qualified. However, if you had showed me that it would be difficult to work with you, then I probably wouldn't promote you, because if you were to be my AGM you'd need to function well as a part of a very critical four-man-team. So it's not that you need to be "in", it's just that you need to have not been too difficult. Even then it's not impossible, but I'll refrain from citing cases :P

Joey, I think nvr has clearly highlighted why News Management (and General Management obviously, as General Management regulate all hirings and would intervene if they believed a department manager was not offering a role on unfair grounds) were cautious about hiring you, as I've said earlier in the thread I have no problem with taking back people who resign in positions they are suitable for depending on the nature of their resignation, if someone resigns and makes a huge statement against Habbox it's going to cause issues with you getting rehired, as at the end of the day what you did when you resigned was abused the PM quota you got as a manager and spammed the whole forum, which if you had not resigned would have been a sackable offence - which is why caution was taken over rehiring you and I think the issue with you was that you had just come back and wanted back in instantly - this rarely happens when controversy has been involved, you were given a chance to show yourself around the forums and then Martin gave you a chance, quite rightly on trial. The reason I've quoted nvr's post too is that it is all relevant, although nvr I was reading that "rebellion" you talk of the other day and it was only three posts in the HxHD staff forums :P


I'd say it was the same in real life too although as it's a career rather than a hobby, it's more subtle! :)

I don't think any managers think it's unfair that people resigned then came back as AGM. They hire who they want to hire and it's easier to work with them than saying 'grr you took my job' :P

At the end of the day, it's an online game not a job with Lord Sugar.

I think this highlights the important thing at the end of the day, the Managers are happy and the General Management team is happy, we all get on and that is what will help Habbox work for a brighter future. If Martin and I clashed, or Matt and I clashed or Matt and Alkaz or Matt and Martin or Alkaz and Martin or Alkaz and I our team would not work and I can tell you, it does work and I would be worried if this team were to change.

[Hayleigh]

I don't think public complaints about promotions should ever be something allowed to be discussed, in the past it's just hurt feelings (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=669454&highlight=shar) and all it will do is hurt feelings now and in the future.

This I will plus rep when I can D:

[Sameer!]

I worked under Martin's management for about 5-6 months in the news department, I can honestly say that he is the BEST department manager I have worked with and I have no doubt he will and is doing an excellent job in his current AGM position. He's incredibly friendly and hard working, you just can't help but love him. He always helped me and I'm sure other people will agree with me on this.

[Nuxty]

Jesus, Mary & Joseph! All of this over one issue?! In my own opinion I just say who cares?! It is up to Jin and Sierk when it comes to who they want to run the site they pay for. Oli left in order to settle in at Uni, he’s now returned and he is doing an excellent job, a lot of his work is done behind the scenes and he is usually boomed with requests and things to sort. He also deserves the position to be honest as he did great things as FM, just because he left for a while doesn't mean that he shouldn't be considered for a higher position at a later date once he has sorted out his real life commitments - which should always come before Habbox no matter who you are!

Martin on the other hand is wonderful! How could people ever moan about him being brought back as AGM for the Community!???? Martin literally is the Community; he will do so well at the job as it is within his nature 110%. He is kind, caring and fun which is exactly what is needed from a Community AGM. He also like Oli contribued a hell of a lot of time to this site for well over a year, so why shouldn't he be allowed to return in a higher position?

As a Manager, (well I have only been one for like a month but yeah) it doesn't bother me if people leave and return in higher positions. They are clearly being brought back for a reason? Jin, Sierk and Matt know that they will be able to do their jobs successfully and that there will not be any issues with them!

I just think people are trying to create something out of a small issue tbh. I won't go into all the "management keeping secrets from the forum members" stuff as once again I think this is a load of crap. What do you expect? They're not exactly going to run and broadcast future ideas/events as they want to keep things under wraps in order to surprise the community? Habbox would be a lot more boring if things weren't kept a secret!

[Mrs.McCall]

In all fairness, Nvr wasn't GM anymore when I was rehired and I didn't make a statement against Habbox, it was against him (issue resolved now). I just think that it should be on rule for everyone, that's all. The nature of my resignation was dramatic yes, but it wasn't aimed at any of the general management that were around when I wanted to return... so it shouldn't have gone against my favour.

Martin is good at what he does and I think it's a shame he got promoted AFTER he resigned but it's the way it was.

Is it unfair? A little! Honestly, yes it is but at the end of the day that's what life's like. The bloke who golfs with his boss is more likely to be promoted than the guy who ***** him off at the water cooler. It's just the way things are.

[Catzsy]

In all fairness, Nvr wasn't GM anymore when I was rehired and I didn't make a statement against Habbox, it was against him (issue resolved now). I just think that it should be on rule for everyone, that's all. The nature of my resignation was dramatic yes, but it wasn't aimed at any of the general management that were around when I wanted to return... so it shouldn't have gone against my favour.

Martin is good at what he does and I think it's a shame he got promoted AFTER he resigned but it's the way it was.

Is it unfair? A little! Honestly, yes it is but at the end of the day that's what life's like. The bloke who golfs with his boss is more likely to be promoted than the guy who ***** him off at the water cooler. It's just the way things are.

I remember the day in question, well, Joey. LOLOLOLOL Joey you are you and always will be
but the fact is that you are back where you now belong. :D

[Mathew]

At the end of the day, it's an online game not a job with Lord Sugar.
Common sense can win any argument hands down! Habbox is a fansite; I simply can't believe so much is being discussed considering this is affecting nobody in real life. Oh how the internet is so odd.


I don't think public complaints about promotions should ever be something allowed to be discussed, in the past it's just hurt feelings (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=669454&highlight=shar) and all it will do is hurt feelings now and in the future.
This issue has been in my head throughout the whole thread :(

[Shar]

Common sense can win any argument hands down! Habbox is a fansite; I simply can't believe so much is being discussed considering this is affecting nobody in real life. Oh how the internet is so odd.


This issue has been in my head throughout the whole thread :(

I think sometimes in comes to a point when people forget to distinguish real life with online and go over the top and it slips from their mind that at the end of the day its not going to affect them in real life, so what is the point.

[Inseriousity.]

Common sense can win any argument hands down!

If only :(

[Mrs.McCall]

I can see why people get upset but if it works, why fix it? It can be frustrating but look at me, I've had a promotion already. I think sometimes people don't want to work hard, work their way up... it's what you have to do.

I resigned and I was put back at the bottom and I'll have to work my way up again. I think that's fair.

And I'm going to do something I never thought I would, defend Oli. Me and him don't always agree, I think he's a little too tough but he cares about Habbox and he cares about the staff. He's good at his job and as is Martin so does it really matter how they got their positions? If you work hard enough, you'll get there.

[HotelUser]

I can see why people get upset but if it works, why fix it? It can be frustrating but look at me, I've had a promotion already. I think sometimes people don't want to work hard, work their way up... it's what you have to do.

I resigned and I was put back at the bottom and I'll have to work my way up again. I think that's fair.

And I'm going to do something I never thought I would, defend Oli. Me and him don't always agree, I think he's a little too tough but he cares about Habbox and he cares about the staff. He's good at his job and as is Martin so does it really matter how they got their positions? If you work hard enough, you'll get there.

No matter who else is staff and no matter what it is at Habbox, this bolded part is most always the truth.

[AgnesIO]

No matter who else is staff and no matter what it is at Habbox, this bolded part is most always the truth.

Correct on the most always part.

I think it does largely depend on how well you get along with members higher up. Fact of life, my friend.

[HotelUser]

Correct on the most always part.

I think it does largely depend on how well you get along with members higher up. Fact of life, my friend.

If you put your nose to the grindstone and show that you're dedicated and do a good job in any department you'll attract attention. Everyone isn't here forever including members of management and when they step down so does any bias they have towards any users and this is usually where you see "controversial" promotions taking place.

You're right it's not a guarantee, although from what I've seen, atleast, I'd say it's a common practise :P

[nvrspk4]

Correct on the most always part.

I think it does largely depend on how well you get along with members higher up. Fact of life, my friend.

Not true, David is proof of that very thing though I won't go into specifics to respect his privacy :P

[Pyroka]

Has anyone else noticed Niall, the creator of this thread, is now banned?

Looks great that does lol. I'm sure management will break their promise of not discussing ban reasons just to deny that it's that... which is technically discussing bans as a whole, ooft the hypocrites lol.


At the end of the day, it's an online game not a job with Lord Sugar.

I don't think we're the people to be telling that, here's (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=420) a (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=65) few (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=1020) people (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=55726) you (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=31167) could (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=46539) PM (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=50915) lol (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=17293).

had to add the lol in just so i could fit the amount of people in.

[FlyingJesus]

Are you actually suggesting that people get banned for asking a question

[Neversoft]

WTF why is Nail banned? This is seriously an outrage. :@

[Hecktix]

WTF why is Nail banned? This is seriously an outrage. :@

It appears to be a safety ban.

[Pyroka]

Safety from Jin trololo

[Catzsy]

Safety from Jin trololo

No - nobody would get banned these days for posting a thread like this. Unlike you to make wrong assumptions like this, Ryan?

[Hecktix]

and that'll be this thread closed, don't wanna be discussin' bans now do we, safety ban or not.