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Jordy
12-01-2011, 08:12 PM
Just something I've often wondered, lots of people on here and in real life always seem to be very sceptical towards the police, often accusing them of corruption and being unable to trust them.

Personally I can't understand this as my experiences with the police have all been very positive and I don't see anything to believe they're corrupt or not there to help the community but that's just my view anyway :)

Technologic
12-01-2011, 08:18 PM
Of course, just because there is the odd story in the paper about a bad copper doesn't make the entire force bad.

Inseriousity.
12-01-2011, 08:19 PM
On the whole yes. While I don't think every cop is corrupted, I do like to remember that they're human and therefore just as infallible as the rest of us so I can't trust them 100% but I trust that the majority do their job as best they can.

Stephen
12-01-2011, 09:46 PM
depends on the area. In my area the police are complete **** and I wouldn't trust them with my life. Especially the ones that look about 18

Arch
12-01-2011, 09:58 PM
Personally from an expereince i have had, i cant trust any police and i never will. I understand there not all the same but one time a cop beat the **** outta me for no reason,
he drove me to a alley way and told me he was gonna knock all my teeth out and kill me and no one would ever know. At the end he punched me a couple times and left. I couldnt get down the plates of the squad car and he drove away really fast but thats my experience. I was also not doing anything wrong i was walking with a group of friends leaving a party. I don't dress the nicest (baggy clothes - gangster look i guess you could say) so maybe he just profiled me?

Anyways thats my experience in a very short verision, not sure if you'll believe it or not but it did happen.

ChickenFaces
12-01-2011, 10:02 PM
Well if police weren't corrupt and stupid and believed that they were above the law then people would trust them.
It's as simple as not being a hypocrite and following the rules that you enforce. But who wants to do that anymore?

Jordy
12-01-2011, 10:02 PM
Personally from an expereince i have had, i cant trust any police and i never will. I understand there not all the same but one time a cop beat the **** outta me for no reason,
he drove me to a alley way and told me he was gonna knock all my teeth out and kill me and no one would ever know. At the end he punched me a couple times and left. I couldnt get down the plates of the squad car and he drove away really fast but thats my experience. I was also not doing anything wrong i was walking with a group of friends leaving a party. I don't dress the nicest (baggy clothes - gangster look i guess you could say) so maybe he just profiled me?

Anyways thats my experience in a very short verision, not sure if you'll believe it or not but it did happen.Sorry to hear that, that's very unfortunate and wrong, shame you can't do anything about it :/

Also I'm guessing these are Canadian cops just to clarify?

Caution
12-01-2011, 10:03 PM
Definetley not. There's a Policeman across the road from me that's been on his phone in his car before and an ex-policeman at my mum's work was complaining how the new electronic form of taking someones details isn't as good as paper form. He just realised he'd admitted they used to change details once they'd left interviewing/questioning someone.

Seth
12-01-2011, 10:25 PM
Yeah the media promotes a lot of issues which lead to the police getting a bad reputation for the odd thing. Sometimes even the run through of 'Moral Panic' But in general there is nothing wrong with them at all. As long as they have their badge and so on then they're fine to me because they have went through training and stuff.

Narnat,
12-01-2011, 11:09 PM
In life your always going to have a bad apple and this includes in the law too. I think 99.9% of the time it gives of a positive reaction rather than a negative.

RedStratocas
12-01-2011, 11:42 PM
well in general, there's a relatively good amount of peace so i guess most police do their jobs right. but there sure are a lot of corrupt police officers even if its a subconscious corruption. there's no question a good handful of police officers join the force because they like the power.

Arch
12-01-2011, 11:43 PM
Well if police weren't corrupt and stupid and believed that they were above the law then people would trust them.
It's as simple as not being a hypocrite and following the rules that you enforce. But who wants to do that anymore?

agree'd


Sorry to hear that, that's very unfortunate and wrong, shame you can't do anything about it :/

Also I'm guessing these are Canadian cops just to clarify?

Yeah sucks, and even if i could i doubt they would take my word over his. Also yepp it was a Canadian cop not to say they're all like this but
i believe there is definatly a few

Also just to add to the corruption point; my cousin is a police officer and hes really nice and such but at weddings and family parties his dad (my uncle) llikes to drink and he will then drive home and my cousin won't say a thing... I mean i know it would be hard doing that to your father but still so much for "to serve & protect"

GommeInc
13-01-2011, 02:39 PM
I trust them. I strongly believe anyone who doesn't does so because they read too many papers about the student riots, a one or two day event which is a tiny spec compared to the rest of the work they do, or they live in a bad area which is very likely too :P My experience has been not but good.

Catzsy
13-01-2011, 03:05 PM
I believe you should trust them unless given a real cause for concern not too. It is not possible as it is in life for absolutely all of them to be proven as being so. There is always a small % who commit a crime, behave improperly and those are the ones who are highlighted by the media which gives a false impression. Those should be dealt with severely.

Gravitator
13-01-2011, 03:12 PM
I trust the police even if they fine my parents or anything, they are just trying to keep the world safe for everyone with putting themselves at risk

Nationalism
13-01-2011, 03:19 PM
Yes and no.
Obviously there are going to be the odd few of every UK force who are corrupt, accept brides, fiddle the prosecution system and endless other things.
You do sometimes see police vehicles clearly speeding without their sirens or lights on, and you think to yourself in your head "it's okay for him to do" lol.
Police probably do get away with the odd things which we aren't allowed to do but overall i think our police are quite good at their job - they handle situations and riots usually exceptionally well.
Although i have experienced police brutality first hand (slamming my face off a metal fence, when being arrested), our police are good compared to reports of other countries forces such as the United States police and obviously countries like Brazil etc.

UK police do their job good, yes you can trust the majority.

Aidenn
13-01-2011, 04:05 PM
I wouldnt say i trust them 100%, but i do trust them 80-90% of the time.

Oleh
13-01-2011, 07:07 PM
well 50% of the time yes, they do make bad judgements but then they can seem unreasonable

-:Undertaker:-
13-01-2011, 07:28 PM
On an individual level, yes I guess. On the whole, no I do not think you can. The Police are now a political force when they should not be, and are the strong arm of the government to enforce their ridiculous laws and regulations.. along with being internally sinister (refer to the cases where Police officers fail to be charged when they have broken the law). I will respect (or trust) the Police when they stop doing the work of the politicians, start tackling real crime and get out on the streets patrolling - along with ending their war on the motorist.

You could argue that the Police only do what they are told, true. But does that mean I trust them and the people pulling the strings? no.

Technologic
13-01-2011, 07:41 PM
On an individual level, yes I guess. On the whole, no I do not think you can. The Police are now a political force when they should not be, and are the strong arm of the government to enforce their ridiculous laws and regulations.. along with being internally sinister (refer to the cases where Police officers fail to be charged when they have broken the law). I will respect (or trust) the Police when they stop doing the work of the politicians, start tackling real crime and get out on the streets patrolling - along with ending their war on the motorist.

You could argue that the Police only do what they are told, true. But does that mean I trust them and the people pulling the strings? no.

This whole new idea of elected commissioners is just going to make things 10x worse as well.

AgnesIO
13-01-2011, 07:53 PM
Arch, surely there was CCTV to catch the police?

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I trust the police, and anyone who doesn't is stupid. I bet if you got mugged, you would go running to the police.

Marbian
13-01-2011, 07:59 PM
Police are not robots, just remember that. They are still people!

Arch
13-01-2011, 08:38 PM
Arch, surely there was CCTV to catch the police?

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I trust the police, and anyone who doesn't is stupid. I bet if you got mugged, you would go running to the police.


WHats a CCTV ?

Fiendly
14-01-2011, 05:31 AM
WHats a CCTV ?

CCTV is pretty much just security camera footage.

But yes, police can be trusted if you're willing to cooperate.
Some act bad, but thats because they can't tolerate a lot of things because of this generation. I know they get called a lot of names and highly abused..
But it's just a title and they're just another person, earning money to live.

If you can't trust them, then why trust your parents?

Arch
14-01-2011, 12:29 PM
CCTV is pretty much just security camera footage.

But yes, police can be trusted if you're willing to cooperate.
Some act bad, but thats because they can't tolerate a lot of things because of this generation. I know they get called a lot of names and highly abused..
But it's just a title and they're just another person, earning money to live.

If you can't trust them, then why trust your parents?

Oh... well to answer doms question, it was an alley way... lmao no security cameras there atleast i doubt it.
Also the above comparison with the parents trust is a terrible example lmao

Fiendly
14-01-2011, 02:21 PM
Oh... well to answer doms question, it was an alley way... lmao no security cameras there atleast i doubt it.
Also the above comparison with the parents trust is a terrible example lmao

Not so much, think of them as your parents.
They'll help you, if you help them.. If you disrespect them, treat them like crap.. Then well, that's how they'll treat you.

It's a perfect example.
I've seen and heard a lot of stories about this and when you hear from the polices side.. It's just guttering.

AgnesIO
14-01-2011, 08:16 PM
Oh... well to answer doms question, it was an alley way... lmao no security cameras there atleast i doubt it.
Also the above comparison with the parents trust is a terrible example lmao

What part of Canada are you in? I know there wouldn't be in the Alleyway, but there must be some near by to prove the police car was where you say it was?

Arch
14-01-2011, 08:42 PM
Not so much, think of them as your parents.
They'll help you, if you help them.. If you disrespect them, treat them like crap.. Then well, that's how they'll treat you.

It's a perfect example.
I've seen and heard a lot of stories about this and when you hear from the polices side.. It's just guttering.

yes but at the end of the day your parents will always love you no matter what it is and they dont proflie you for what you wear and how old you are...

Also from Toronto, and during that incident once it happened i saw a parking police officer at the end of the alley and he didnt see anything(I just needed to ask him for directions because i had no idea where the cop dropped me off at)

Jacob
14-01-2011, 10:41 PM
Maybe the TV programmes might change what you think? I don't really have a negative view about Police at all probably because I've never had an experience with them. I do think they do a lot of work that is private and hidden that the public don't know about and what they do daily I feel is considerably good, they are trying their best so why not trust them?

Conservative,
14-01-2011, 10:47 PM
I've never had a bad experience with cops. They all seem friendly round my area, just a tad lazy. I've seen year 8s walk out of school smoking and CSO (Community Support Officers) on the other side of the road ignoring it, having a nice chit-chat about eastenders or whatever. I mean I know they're not full police but I thought it was their jobs to get rid of that stuff?

So, to answer the question - yes I can trust police and I think it's silly not to. Even if you have personal experiences, that's one policeman/woman. There are thousands. You can't say a kid is bad because they wear the same shirt as a bully you know. You can't say a cop is corrupt because one happened to give you a bad experience, who knows - maybe you deserved it?

Nationalism
16-01-2011, 03:25 PM
I've never had a bad experience with cops. They all seem friendly round my area, just a tad lazy. I've seen year 8s walk out of school smoking and CSO (Community Support Officers) on the other side of the road ignoring it, having a nice chit-chat about eastenders or whatever. I mean I know they're not full police but I thought it was their jobs to get rid of that stuff?

So, to answer the question - yes I can trust police and I think it's silly not to. Even if you have personal experiences, that's one policeman/woman. There are thousands. You can't say a kid is bad because they wear the same shirt as a bully you know. You can't say a cop is corrupt because one happened to give you a bad experience, who knows - maybe you deserved it?
Actually you can say a kid is bad because the local bully wears the same t-shirt - it's called stereotyping people.
Just because somebody is a police officer doesn't mean somebody can't stereotype him as a heavy handed, corrupt officer.
Also PCSOs are an absolute waste of time and money, they can't even arrest you.

Nobody deserves to be brutally man handled by a police officer, it's our right as a citizen and whether or not we committed a crime is not relevant - innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
In my own personal experience of being mis-treated by a police officer, the officer was pulling my clothes (because he didn't like the way i was wearing them), making offensive remarks about my belongings and clothing and proceeded to bang my head off a metal fence - justify that?

Moh
16-01-2011, 04:06 PM
From past experience with the police, I trust them.


Actually you can say a kid is bad because the local bully wears the same t-shirt - it's called stereotyping people.
Just because somebody is a police officer doesn't mean somebody can't stereotype him as a heavy handed, corrupt officer.
Also PCSOs are an absolute waste of time and money, they can't even arrest you.

Nobody deserves to be brutally man handled by a police officer, it's our right as a citizen and whether or not we committed a crime is not relevant - innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
In my own personal experience of being mis-treated by a police officer, the officer was pulling my clothes (because he didn't like the way i was wearing them), making offensive remarks about my belongings and clothing and proceeded to bang my head off a metal fence - justify that?
Which country are you from? o.O

AgnesIO
16-01-2011, 04:10 PM
Actually you can say a kid is bad because the local bully wears the same t-shirt - it's called stereotyping people.
Just because somebody is a police officer doesn't mean somebody can't stereotype him as a heavy handed, corrupt officer.
Also PCSOs are an absolute waste of time and money, they can't even arrest you.

Nobody deserves to be brutally man handled by a police officer, it's our right as a citizen and whether or not we committed a crime is not relevant - innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
In my own personal experience of being mis-treated by a police officer, the officer was pulling my clothes (because he didn't like the way i was wearing them), making offensive remarks about my belongings and clothing and proceeded to bang my head off a metal fence - justify that?

Not sure if I believe this, if it was in Britain.

And personally, I prefer the Scottish court way. Guilt until proven Innocent.

Nationalism
16-01-2011, 04:33 PM
From past experience with the police, I trust them.
Which country are you from? o.O
Britain.


Not sure if I believe this, if it was in Britain.
And personally, I prefer the Scottish court way. Guilt until proven Innocent.
Yes, because i'd lie about something like that. If was for a pretty serious offence which me and some buds were supposedly meant to have committed, until we were proven innocent of course. He caught me running then proceeded to make comments, rag my clothes and push me - very good policing however i don't say all police are like that because they're obviously not.
I think the moment kind of over-took him as, like i said, it was for a pretty serious offence - one of which i was a found innocent.

If you believe guilty until proven innocent then you are very silly, you'd be the first to criticise if you were arrested, actually innocent but treated like a criminal whilst you were arrested.

AgnesIO
16-01-2011, 04:44 PM
Britain.


Yes, because i'd lie about something like that. If was for a pretty serious offence which me and some buds were supposedly meant to have committed, until we were proven innocent of course. He caught me running then proceeded to make comments, rag my clothes and push me - very good policing however i don't say all police are like that because they're obviously not.
I think the moment kind of over-took him as, like i said, it was for a pretty serious offence - one of which i was a found innocent.

If you believe guilty until proven innocent then you are very silly, you'd be the first to criticise if you were arrested, actually innocent but treated like a criminal whilst you were arrested.

That's the thing. I don't socialise or do things which could get me arrested.

The police in England are far too soft.

Nationalism
16-01-2011, 06:12 PM
That's the thing. I don't socialise or do things which could get me arrested.

The police in England are far too soft.
Neither do i, like i have stated numerous times now - i was proven innocent, so take your little comment back.

The police are not too soft at all, judges are sentences are.

AgnesIO
16-01-2011, 06:16 PM
Neither do i, like i have stated numerous times now - i was proven innocent, so take your little comment back.

The police are not too soft at all, judges are sentences are.

I don't believe a police man just beat the **** out of you. If he did, he wouldn't be in his job now.

Judges sentences are too soft. Police don't have enough power.

Nationalism
16-01-2011, 07:05 PM
I don't believe a police man just beat the **** out of you. If he did, he wouldn't be in his job now.

Judges sentences are too soft. Police don't have enough power.
I didn't say a police officer beat me up, i said he shoved my head against a metal fence - there's a difference.
I wouldn't come to HxF and lie.

Policing powers are fine, although some things needs addressing, it's the courts, judges and sentences that need looking at.

Arch
16-01-2011, 09:37 PM
Milestone you put far to much faith in police,
they're human, just like you or me when we get mad we might hit someone - if you make an officer chase you theres a good chance hes gonna hit you at the end of it

AgnesIO
16-01-2011, 09:48 PM
Milestone you put far to much faith in police,
they're human, just like you or me when we get mad we might hit someone - if you make an officer chase you theres a good chance hes gonna hit you at the end of it

I don't have 'too much faith in the police' - I just know when I need help, they will help me.

That is all what ever has, and ever will matter to me.

Arch
16-01-2011, 09:53 PM
Hopefully one day you'll be innocent yet still facing brutality - this will most def change your views

No-one is perfect therefore corruption will always take place, especially when theres power involved and when your word means more then anothers.

AgnesIO
16-01-2011, 09:55 PM
Hopefully one day you'll be innocent yet still facing brutality - this will most def change your views

No-one is perfect therefore corruption will always take place, especially when theres power involved and when your word means more then anothers.

Suggest a way I could be seen as a suspect? I could easily prove my self innocent - and the standard police officer is hardly going to be involved in me if I am too face jail etc

Nationalism
16-01-2011, 10:16 PM
Suggest a way I could be seen as a suspect? I could easily prove my self innocent - and the standard police officer is hardly going to be involved in me if I am too face jail etc
Well for one example a robbery could have taken place in your area, the robber happens to have a blue top on - so do you.
You go to the shop, see your friend and chat to your friend outside of the shop for a few minutes, the police roll up and you fit the description of the robber.
So, your in the area the robbery took place, meet the description of the robber and to make things worse your stood infront of a shop with another teenage male (which is frowned upon in Britain).

Your now looking suspicious, you could easily be arrested for questioning.
Also for the record, a standard police officer WILL be used and will be involved if your facing jail.

Do you actually know anything about what your talking about or are you just making this all up as you go along?

Arch
16-01-2011, 10:17 PM
Your walking home through a park, cops pull you over once your out of the park saying 'someone fit your description was involved in robbing someone',
you say you dont know anything about it, but because your a teenager and dressed a certain they get out of the car and beat the **** out of you.

Also i never said anything about jail time, although i've heard jail guards are about 10x worse + for trial (if it came down to that, would 100% involve police)

^ lol at above for same examples

AgnesIO
16-01-2011, 10:21 PM
BUT THE AVERAGE POLICE MAN DOESN'T BEAT THE **** OUT OF YOU IF YOU CO-OPERATE.

If I got told I was a suspect for a robbery, I would go with them. I would then tell them to check the CCTV. Suddenly I am not a suspect.

Arch
16-01-2011, 10:26 PM
BUT THE AVERAGE POLICE MAN DOESN'T BEAT THE **** OUT OF YOU IF YOU CO-OPERATE.

If I got told I was a suspect for a robbery, I would go with them. I would then tell them to check the CCTV. Suddenly I am not a suspect.

I beg to differ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3nCoNvldk

Also there isnt cameras everywhere... (what if it was for robbing someone on the street, surely then there would be no cameras?)

AgnesIO
16-01-2011, 10:29 PM
I beg to differ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3nCoNvldk

Also there isnt cameras everywhere... (what if it was for robbing someone on the street, surely then there would be no cameras?)

Of course not. But I could tell them where I have been, and where there were cameras to back me up. It doesn't need to be the crime scene where the cameras are placed.

I don't think a few examples on youtube covers the thousands and thousands of police man. Do you?

Arch
16-01-2011, 10:35 PM
Of course not. But I could tell them where I have been, and where there were cameras to back me up. It doesn't need to be the crime scene where the cameras are placed.

I don't think a few examples on youtube covers the thousands and thousands of police man. Do you?

I'm not sure where you live but the fact everywhere you go has cameras is quite frightening, privacy laws plz ?

Also at the G20 summit there was way over 1000 police officers... and if you want to go through all policers lets look at countries in Africa, and Mexico where there police force ride around in jeeps with AKs raping women and and doing whatever they want. Also if you want i can prob find thousands of videos of police brutality lmaooo.. that wouldnt even be a problem.

AgnesIO
16-01-2011, 10:38 PM
I'm not sure where you live but the fact everywhere you go has cameras is quite frightening, privacy laws plz ?

Also at the G20 summit there was way over 1000 police officers... and if you want to go through all policers lets look at countries in Africa, and Mexico where there
police force ride around in jeeps with AKs raping women and and doing whatever they want. Also if you want i can prob find thousands of videos of police brutality lmaooo...
that wouldnt even be a problem.

Believe me, virtually where ever you walk there will be a camera very near by - in England anyway.

I couldn't walk down my street without being caught on 5/6 cameras - mind you I am quite privileged and my house, plus two others have CCTV installed.

I couldn't walk down my local town high street without getting caught on CCTV either.

Also, please don't bring up corrupt countries - I am speaking about the UK and the UK only.

Nationalism
17-01-2011, 07:21 PM
BUT THE AVERAGE POLICE MAN DOESN'T BEAT THE **** OUT OF YOU IF YOU CO-OPERATE.

If I got told I was a suspect for a robbery, I would go with them. I would then tell them to check the CCTV. Suddenly I am not a suspect.
We didn't say the average police man beats you up, if you look back at my posts i quite clearly claimed that a handful DO. Your mis-lead if you think that not one single police officer in the UK has ever laid a finger on somebody, that's quite frightening.
Maybe the officer who pushed my head against a metal fence was in the minority, that could be true however you are hellbent on trying to be right, when your wrong.
Also for the record, you'd be a suspect even if the CCTV proven you were innocent.
Innocence and being suspected of committing a crime are two completely different things.
Grab a thesaurus or something please.


Of course not. But I could tell them where I have been, and where there were cameras to back me up. It doesn't need to be the crime scene where the cameras are placed.

I don't think a few examples on youtube covers the thousands and thousands of police man. Do you?
Like i said, we didn't say thousands of police officers attack and hit people, just a minority, start reading peoples posts instead of jumping to conclusions as usual.

Stephen
17-01-2011, 10:06 PM
Most police officers don't care

dbgtz
17-01-2011, 10:54 PM
You can't judge the police as a whole to be quite honest, but I think my local police can although I think they are lazy. The guys who set fire to this building, well, I havn't even seen any form of punishment happen to them. They're in school and age could be a factor, but a slap on the wrist is hardly suitable even for the age.

cocaine
17-01-2011, 11:30 PM
of course you can. you know the media loves a good story about the police and theres lots of independent investigation bodies that work with the police to ensure their officers stay loyal and don't abuse the trust the public place in them

e5
17-01-2011, 11:39 PM
I feel the police are people of trust - I'd trust them.

Spuds
18-01-2011, 02:03 PM
Can the police be trusted? Arf. Can the Government be trusted? Arf.

Jordy
18-01-2011, 05:52 PM
I think most people's claims are pretty baseless tbh, I'm surprised 45% of people don't trust them. Understandably a few people have had bad experiences and I see why they don't trust them but some people are just brought up to hate the police it seems.

Nationalism
18-01-2011, 08:26 PM
I think most people's claims are pretty baseless tbh, I'm surprised 45% of people don't trust them. Understandably a few people have had bad experiences and I see why they don't trust them but some people are just brought up to hate the police it seems.
I have had an experience yet i know for a fine fact that officer was from a minority, most police are fine and id put my trust into them any day.
It's a shame people are raised to dis-like the police, yet another thing wrong with today's youth.

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