V6

[AgnesIO]

Numerous members of management said this was coming at the end of January.

Any insight?

[Calvin]

End of Jan to early Feb Matt said. :)

[Conservative,]

According to Jin - it's being added bit by bit, so we won't see instant changes...but it's coming in slowly (eg; Panels, systems, coding etc.)

[rnix]

It seems to be very near completion so i can't see why it wouldn't be here soon :P

[Jsoh]

ohhhhhhhh i'm well excited for it! :D

[Alkaz]

We're literally in the final stages now. We're currently working on tweaking things, setting things up and moving content over from the old system to the new. As soon as everyone has finished doing their stuff then it should be released which we hope will be very soon!

[Hecktix]

the aim for release was Q1 of 2011 which is pretty much Jan-Feb-Mar, v6 will be released in stages as it must be remembered we have created a site, backend system everything from scratch so it's no point releasing an all singing all dancing version if it's going to go bang when 200 people are viewing it and we have to start again.

Therefore v6.0 will be released and then features will be added and added and it will all build up. We aren't setting a date because we can't guaruntee when it will be ready as we dont know what will crop up along the way but we are nearing completion for v6.0.

[Alexx..]

this'll be so fly like a v6, fly like a v6.



Edited by Catzsy (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't make posts that add nothing contructive to the thread. Thanks

[GommeInc]

Ah so V6 may actually be true. My father and his father before me used to be told of the tales of V6 when they were wee babies :P Does V6 include the changes to the rare value panel?

[xxMATTGxx]

Ah so V6 may actually be true. My father and his father before me used to be told of the tales of V6 when they were wee babies :P Does V6 include the changes to the rare value panel?

V6 includes changes to the complete rare value system front and back end which should be quite nice for anyone who uses them on a daily basis or anyone really.

[AgnesIO]

the aim for release was Q1 of 2010 which is pretty much Jan-Feb-Mar, v6 will be released in stages as it must be remembered we have created a site, backend system everything from scratch so it's no point releasing an all singing all dancing version if it's going to go bang when 200 people are viewing it and we have to start again.

Therefore v6.0 will be released and then features will be added and added and it will all build up. We aren't setting a date because we can't guaruntee when it will be ready as we dont know what will crop up along the way but we are nearing completion for v6.0.

Some higher members of management were saying the end of january, at the start of January.

Hopefully the version will be as good as it was screamed to be - especially considering the amount of different dates that have been given over the past year or so :L

[Ajthedragon]

Can we have a 'sneak peak' in the near future? tehe

[xxMATTGxx]

Some higher members of management were saying the end of january, at the start of January.

Hopefully the version will be as good as it was screamed to be - especially considering the amount of different dates that have been given over the past year or so :L

Indeed we was and that was in the "plan" to get it out for around the end of January. But Q1 of 2011 is more suitable and it means it gives us extra time to make sure everything is how we want it to be, plus it gives some people time to concentrate on their education while also working on V6.

Note: Just noticed Oli put Q1 of 2010 oops.

[Yupt]

whens v7 then.. x

only joking, but im all fine with waiting for v6 a little longer if it means when it gets here it'll be fully functional.

[Shar]

whens v7 then.. x

only joking, but im all fine with waiting for v6 a little longer if it means when it gets here it'll be fully functional.

This. And we do have to remember that there's only one person working on it.

Can't wait to see it when its completed. :)

[smiffy70]

I hope this isn't the biggest let down since the social network

OT: what's Q1

[xxMATTGxx]

I hope this isn't the biggest let down since the social network

OT: what's Q1

Q1 is the first quarter of a year. So Q1 2011 is the first quarter of 2011 which is from the beginning of January to the end of March.

[smiffy70]

Oooo I'm so excited now *Removed*


Edited by Catzsy (Forum Super Moderator):
Please do not use language inappropriate for rthe forum

[Stephen]

yay for rare values woo yay yippppiiii

[Chippiewill]

Numerous members of management said this was coming at the end of last January.
Closer to the truth.

[HotelUser]

Closer to the truth.

I wish I could show you what's been created thus far. I wasn't involved with this last January but I have been working on it for the past several months and it's almost ready for a first release.

[Chippiewill]

I wish I could show you what's been created thus far.
I'm fairly certain Jin doesn't sift through PMs...

[HotelUser]

I'm fairly certain Jin doesn't sift through PMs...

Pardon me if I've missed the obvious, but how is that relative to what you've quoted?

[Chippiewill]

Pardon me if I've missed the obvious, but how is that relative to what you've quoted?
Perhaps I was being too subtle, but I was hinting at the fact that you "could show me what's been created thus far." if you just PMed me because "I'm fairly certain Jin doesn't sift through PMs..."

[Nick]

ooo Cant wait to see it :D

[HotelUser]

Perhaps I was being too subtle, but I was hinting at the fact that you "could show me what's been created thus far." if you just PMed me because "I'm fairly certain Jin doesn't sift through PMs..."

If Jin wants to post previews then he'll post previews - although in my opinion posting previews as such would be somewhat redundant. It's been said too many times to count that we're aware of the snail pace development on the new site, and the reasons for this, mostly "dead weight" sortospeak have been removed.

At the crux of things over the past few months we have been developing the new website and we're going to release it as soon as it's ready to be released. I suppose you can either take that information at face value this time or completely not believe that we're doing so because of past experiences retaining to this area of Habbox.

There's absolutely nothing we can say or do to reprimand the past and for the most part whatever was said a year ago was said by a different management team and a completely different coding team so there's no valid basis to be rebuffing what we're saying about V6 now.

[Matthew]

Can't wait!

As said above, I'd rather wait bit longer for a working release than have it released early with more bugs.

[Yupt]

Has anyone here heard of being patient? jw.

[AgnesIO]

I wish I could show you what's been created thus far. I wasn't involved with this last January but I have been working on it for the past several months and it's almost ready for a first release.

The thing is, no one has been shown what it is, how are we to know we are not being lied to like we were lied to six months ago?


Has anyone here heard of being patient? jw.

Patience is not on the scale of this lol.

---------- Post added 29-01-2011 at 12:40 PM ----------


I wish I could show you what's been created thus far. I wasn't involved with this last January but I have been working on it for the past several months and it's almost ready for a first release.

The thing is, no one has been shown what it is, how are we to know we are not being lied to like we were lied to six months ago?


Has anyone here heard of being patient? jw.

Patience is not on the scale of this lol.

[xxMATTGxx]

The thing is, no one has been shown what it is, how are we to know we are not being lied to like we were lied to six months ago?



Patience is not on the scale of this lol.

---------- Post added 29-01-2011 at 12:40 PM ----------



The thing is, no one has been shown what it is, how are we to know we are not being lied to like we were lied to six months ago?



Patience is not on the scale of this lol.

Because it would be rather stupid of us to lie to you all in regards of the next version of Habbox. V6 is real for sure, I'm sorry that we can't show you any previews at this moment in time but I can promise you that it is real and it will be coming.

[AgnesIO]

Because it would be rather stupid of us to lie to you all in regards of the next version of Habbox. V6 is real for sure, I'm sorry that we can't show you any previews at this moment in time but I can promise you that it is real and it will be coming.

I don't see why not though? If you want people to keep interested and excited, surely showing little sneak peaks would promote it?

---------- Post added 29-01-2011 at 01:13 PM ----------


Because it would be rather stupid of us to lie to you all in regards of the next version of Habbox. V6 is real for sure, I'm sorry that we can't show you any previews at this moment in time but I can promise you that it is real and it will be coming.

I don't see why not though? If you want people to keep interested and excited, surely showing little sneak peaks would promote it?

[HotelUser]

The thing is, no one has been shown what it is, how are we to know we are not being lied to like we were lied to six months ago?



Patience is not on the scale of this lol.

---------- Post added 29-01-2011 at 12:40 PM ----------



The thing is, no one has been shown what it is, how are we to know we are not being lied to like we were lied to six months ago?



Patience is not on the scale of this lol.

Well, if you want to neglect countless hours spent working on it, and create false assumptions with no merit then be my guest though your obvious ignorance is wrong and I won't lose any sleep over it.

[.x.miss.angel.x]

Wait, is v6 for everything, or just habbox/hxl/hxf? (Im a bit slow), But whatevers happening, all sounds good :D

[cocaine]

there was another thread about this and no one in the 30 odd replies actually answered my question - what is v6?

[HotelUser]

It's a term referring to the new version of Habbox.com, v6 because it will be the 6th revision we've had of the site.

[cocaine]

finally, thanks

[AgnesIO]

Well, if you want to neglect countless hours spent working on it, and create false assumptions with no merit then be my guest though your obvious ignorance is wrong and I won't lose any sleep over it.

Ignorance? I don't think that is being ignorant at all David. The fact is it has been said to have come many times, for the past few months it has been 'really close to being done' - but guess what? We can only go by what we have seen. And what have we seen David? Absolute **** all.

[Mathew]

Must admit, I was rather reluctant to believe it was even being worked on previously, but after I was made management and seen the amount of work and features it is going to [hopefully] have, it's perfectly understandable why it's taking so long.

I only hope that people don't start throwing complaints left, right and centre upon it's first release. Remember that it's not all being released at once; it's not going to be a big celebration - it's an essential update to Habbox.com and I'm under the impression it is being released in stages in order to ease the traffic of people going to the site. Give it a chance because it's going to be good. Eventually.

[HotelUser]

Ignorance? I don't think that is being ignorant at all David. The fact is it has been said to have come many times, for the past few months it has been 'really close to being done' - but guess what? We can only go by what we have seen. And what have we seen David? Absolute **** all.

If you expected to have a front row seat in watching everything be developed you should have applied to be a Habbox Coder. You can't only go by what you've seen - you can go by what we're telling you. In the past previous management and coding teams have come short of deadlines but they weren't flat out lying - they just weren't able to get things up and running by when they said they would.

However we're here, a completely new group of people, telling you 98.99% of it's done and we've already got a handful of staffmembers using it, reporting bugs and you're accusing us of flat out lying.

So yes, one would speculate that your ignorance on this Dom is quite vast because you're quite literally strolling in here writing off several months of work quite inconclusively.

[AgnesIO]

If you expected to have a front row seat in watching everything be developed you should have applied to be a Habbox Coder. You can't only go by what you've seen - you can go by what we're telling you. In the past previous management and coding teams have come short of deadlines but they weren't flat out lying - they just weren't able to get things up and running by when they said they would.

However we're here, a completely new group of people, telling you 98.99% of it's done and we've already got a handful of staffmembers using it, reporting bugs and you're accusing us of flat out lying.

So yes, one would speculate that your ignorance on this Dom is quite vast because you're quite literally strolling in here writing off several months of work quite inconclusively.

No I do not expect a front row seat. However, I would expect updates on it apart from 'It is nearly done' (which we have been told about 10 times).

I am not writing it off, I am questioning how much is done, considering you are so reluctant to have small previews of it - which as far as I am concerned could I only be a good idea.

[Marbian]

I think some more non-habbo forum skins would be dovely.

[Jin]

I hope this isn't the biggest let down since the social network
I heard the social network was quite good. Wasn't it nominated for a few awards also?

Okay those of you who thought it was coming at the end of last January you're wrong, have completely misunderstood or were mislead by a 14 year old boy.

The initial thought about changing from V5 which we have been stuck on for years to V6 was conceived in January 2010. That was when the first tweet came about.

However the actual specification on V6 wasn't written till Autumn 2010 as I was away for the entire summer period and frankly I was still thinking of new features to the site. Prior to that no developments were made because you can't code unless you know what you are making. The whole structure of the site and systems have completely changed so you couldn't even use initiative to make changes.

The plan was to release it in January 2011 but they are still making last minute changes and also adding things that Sierk suggested in early January 2011. We also still have bug testing to go through so we won't release it until we are satisfied that there aren't any major bugs. On top of that people also do have examinations and they take first priority over Habbox any day.

In terms of release it will happen overnight, there will be no fanfare. David will release the basic site on a night without any warning or announcement and then release other features in subsequent releases when we are both certain the current release is bug free. What I will say is that the first few releases are functional releases so we may have a lot of maintenance breaks and then the last remaining releases will be style releases which won't affect users.

I hope this somewhat corrects peoples misconceptions which is basically fuelling a fire that should have never begun in the first place.

[AgnesIO]

I heard the social network was quite good. Wasn't it nominated for a few awards also?

Okay those of you who thought it was coming at the end of last January you're wrong, have completely misunderstood or were mislead by a 14 year old boy.

The initial thought about changing from V5 which we have been stuck on for years to V6 was conceived in January 2010. That was when the first tweet came about.

However the actual specification on V6 wasn't written till Autumn 2010 as I was away for the entire summer period and frankly I was still thinking of new features to the site. Prior to that no developments were made because you can't code unless you know what you are making. The whole structure of the site and systems have completely changed so you couldn't even use initiative to make changes.

The plan was to release it in January 2011 but they are still making last minute changes and also adding things that Sierk suggested in early January 2011. We also still have bug testing to go through so we won't release it until we are satisfied that there aren't any major bugs. On top of that people also do have examinations and they take first priority over Habbox any day.

In terms of release it will happen overnight, there will be no fanfare. David will release the basic site on a night without any warning or announcement and then release other features in subsequent releases when we are both certain the current release is bug free. What I will say is that the first few releases are functional releases so we may have a lot of maintenance breaks and then the last remaining releases will be style releases which won't affect users.

I hope this somewhat corrects peoples misconceptions which is basically fuelling a fire that should have never begun in the first place.

As normal, you are being unfair on Blob.

Everyone blames him, but he was NOT the only one to mention this date, he was NOT corrected at the time. A mistake was made, someone should own up to it rather than using Blobs arse to save everyone.

In general good post, +Rep

[Hecktix]

As normal, you are being unfair on Blob.

Everyone blames him, but he was NOT the only one to mention this date, he was NOT corrected at the time. A mistake was made, someone should own up to it rather than using Blobs arse to save everyone.

In general good post, +Rep

To be fair, Blob was the person who kept banging on about release dates. When ideas are formed it never takes a set path, so in January 2010 Jin decided "this year we will progress towards a new version of the site" - I don't know the full truth behind what happened behind the scenes as I wasnt General Management at the time however I'm pretty sure Jin then contemplated drawing up the spec for v6 at several points in the year, if the staff members Jin confides these ideas to takes them the wrong way and leaks them, word catches on and 'cause a site coder said it people believe it.

Nobody has lied.

[AgnesIO]

To be fair, Blob was the person who kept banging on about release dates. When ideas are formed it never takes a set path, so in January 2010 Jin decided "this year we will progress towards a new version of the site" - I don't know the full truth behind what happened behind the scenes as I wasnt General Management at the time however I'm pretty sure Jin then contemplated drawing up the spec for v6 at several points in the year, if the staff members Jin confides these ideas to takes them the wrong way and leaks them, word catches on and 'cause a site coder said it people believe it.

Nobody has lied.

So tell me. When Ryan was throwing release dates around, who said this wasn't the case? Because I am fairly sure I didn't see ANYONE suggest otherwise.

[Hecktix]

So tell me. When Ryan was throwing release dates around, who said this wasn't the case? Because I am fairly sure I didn't see ANYONE suggest otherwise.

As I said, it was all ideas nothing was confirmed on v6 apart from the fact it was coming - and on this basis nobody was in the position to say Ryan was wrong afterall who knows what Jin could have said to him in private?

[AgnesIO]

As I said, it was all ideas nothing was confirmed on v6 apart from the fact it was coming - and on this basis nobody was in the position to say Ryan was wrong afterall who knows what Jin could have said to him in private?

So not one single member of upper management questioned this? Blob was used as a scapegoat whether we like it or not. A mistake was made, wouldn't it be a far, far better decision for someone to accept it.

I look forward to seeing the final release, and I see no point in continuing this argument.

[Inseriousity.]

So not one single member of upper management questioned this? Blob was used as a scapegoat whether we like it or not. A mistake was made, wouldn't it be a far, far better decision for someone to accept it.

I look forward to seeing the final release, and I see no point in continuing this argument.

That's probably because no member of upper management had any cause to question it. Communication at Habbox normally occurs between the members of staff with which it directly involves rather than the staff (and in some cases, members) it also indirectly involves. In other words, communication sucks. :)

As for v6, I can understand with all the different messages from different people (refer to paragraph 1 for reason why) why people are a bit sceptical of the whole thing. I've not seen v6 yet but nothing can be as bad as... Joomla -shudder- :P

[sophiethenerd]

I just want to log on one day. Go on habbox and go OMG ITS V6. YEEEEEEEY :D . There is no point moaning about it just let the coders do there busy little codingy html confusing things.

[Jin]

Because not a single member of management was aware that it was being thrown about...

I was surprised when the first instance of V6 was mentioned to me by a member of the the public. I had spoke to blob in march 2010 stating that I wanted him to take the lead in coding with 2 other coders once the spec was made, I believe this lead to believe he was in charge of everything and wanted to basically do the whole thing himself.

This is where leaks started to occur, at this point I went on tour and then came back, formed a spec and released it to the v6 developers and basically blob wanted to go off spec. At that point I changed who would lead the task to David as he seemed to have his head screwed on right about how the site should work. Blob then carried on developing his own version whilst ignoring the tasks allocated to him on the collaborative version.

Soon enough nothing was getting done by blob I was spoken to about this by general management, I gave blob 1 more week and pressed him to get things done at the end of that week pyroka made the mistake of getting involved and then basically blob continued to be dead weight which had to be cut off (and on hindsight I should have taken action when general management reported it the week before).

The fact is between Jan 2010 and Aug 2010 nobody but blob and myself where aware of the actual developments behind V6. So no blob wasn't used as a scapegoat, he took it upon himself to go rogue, not work as part of a team and basically speak to every tom and harry about early developments behind our backs which is why the critics (who I believe are the toms and harrys) are getting so impatient as they were promised something 6 months earlier then they should have been.

At the end of the day whatever you have heard you have heard, but you haven't heard it officially from Habbox. If that were the case we would have put it on the Habbox Announcements you know? How our official announcements have worked for the last 6 years.

[Casanova]

I never knew any of that tbh. Now I kind of understand.

[Jin]

At the end of the day Blob wanted a position like he had at Clubhabbo. Where he would be management, have access to all the control panels and be able to do ultimately what he liked as he was in charge of those technical aspects.

We weren't willing to give that to him as frankly we had no idea who he was and whether we could trust him, I feel he then took it upon himself to do what he could which was one of his major downfalls as he ended up annoying a lot of department managers in doing that.

I can almost understand and that deep down he wanted to help but ultimately he caused more trouble than it was worth and going rogue, off spec, refusing to work as a team was really the very very very last straw oh and missing deadlines. (is that irony?)

[Casanova]

It's unfair to just assume a position, especially on here. It takes years to get into management or else you've done something or someone right ;).
(i'm not implying you did anyone before anyone reads into that. and as far as i'm aware no one in management have slept together... unless you have any gossip haha!)

[Jin]

Well ultimately we will give the best candidates the job. Even if that means hiring someone back who had resigned. Like if the whole competitions department died in a horrible bus crash on their outing to Disney Land, I would probably ask MissAlice first.

Inability to work as a team is a huge management flaw.

[TrainedLion]

I was surprised when the first instance of V6 was mentioned to me by a member of the the public.

At the end of the day whatever you have heard you have heard, but you haven't heard it officially from Habbox. If that were the case we would have put it on the Habbox Announcements you know? How our official announcements have worked for the last 6 years.

Those two lines. Your main opening and closing sentences. They link in well really. You posted an announcement ("the way they have worked for the last 6 years") in January 2009 stating a release date of Summer 2009.

That is where everyone found out about v6 and the release date.

Just thought everyone should have the facts.

[Casanova]

Dear god it's like final destination for the competitions department then!

And yeah I do agree, give someone a job if they're capable for it. But to allow someone back who has resigned twice over is just silly in my opinion.

[TrainedLion]

Those two lines. Your main opening and closing sentences. They link in well really. You posted an announcement ("the way they have worked for the last 6 years") in January 2009 stating a release date of Summer 2009.

That is where everyone found out about v6 and the release date.

Just thought everyone should have the facts.

Source: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=626307&highlight=

[Hecktix]

Source: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=626307&highlight=

Just before you get banned the quote is:


By the end of this summer we hope to bring habbox out of the dark ages and into the realms of web 2.0, benefiting from technologies such as open authentication aswell as incorporating high levels of interactivity and rich media content. We no longer want to design habbox.com based of feedback from our users we want to instead want to provide you with a platform so you may design habbox.com the way you think it should be.

It doesn't say we're going to release anything, it says we're going to start bringing Habbox out of the dark ages, and quite rightly so - v6 development started just after the end of the summer. Nothing about release dates in there, just when the project would start.

[Alex3213]

Well ultimately we will give the best candidates the job. Even if that means hiring someone back who had resigned. Like if the whole competitions department died in a horrible bus crash on their outing to Disney Land, I would probably ask MissAlice first.

Inability to work as a team is a huge management flaw.

What do you have against us?!

Can't remember if I've posted this but the last line of your post: definitely. I know that I would not be working with Mike or Mathew and Phil if I did not feel they were half decent people who I could get along with. It's all about working together, I know that I wouldn't be able to work with everyone here, no one would. That means being happy where you are, as trust is another important factor.
But yes, I think we should all just get off their backs and wait for version six. :)

(where's v7?! lol oj)

[Inseriousity.]

Thanks for that great example of us dying Jin :(
I'd prefer dying on the way back home from disney land :P

edit: just in case someone warns me, v6 is gonna be worth waiting for. hopefully I dont get blown up on the way to uni or something

[Nuxty]

In all honesty the release/development of v6 has nothing to do with any of us except General Management and those behind its production... It will be released when the developers feel it is ready to be released. Stop kicking up a fuss over it and just forget about it until its here.

[Jin]

That is where everyone found out about v6 and the release date.

Just thought everyone should have the facts.

If we are having facts for dinner, that wasn't concerning V6, the term V6 wasn't even mentioned officially till 9th Feb, it was V5 developments which was suppose to be the stepping stone for V6 almost a sandbox where we would see what would work and what wouldn't in a social aspect. I would have mentioned V6 if it was about V6.

Though we have had to scrap the OpenID, Facebook connect and twitter connect over concerns of privacy. We are still a bit reluctant over these API's and despite that sites such as ClubHabbo do utilize them I am deeply concerned over the privacy with members.

Sorry competitions department but I could only think of Missalice at the time so had to work backwards from that.


In all honesty the release/development of v6 has nothing to do with any of us except General Management and those behind its production... It will be released when the developers feel it is ready to be released. Stop kicking up a fuss over it and just forget about it until its here.


Nicely put, I wonder how many of the critics even use the site. :S

[AgnesIO]

At the end of the day whatever you have heard you have heard, but you haven't heard it officially from Habbox. If that were the case we would have put it on the Habbox Announcements you know? How our official announcements have worked for the last 6 years.

Didn't someone one (either you or one of GM) say there would be no announcement, and it would just appear?

[Jin]

Didn't someone one (either you or one of GM) say there would be no announcement, and it would just appear?

This was regarding what was supposedly release dates about V6. To this day there hasn't been a single official announcement on when we would actually release V6. Saurav above posted what he thought was an official release period but was mistaken.

[e5]

I have been told V6 will be coming tonight at 3am, with no warning. A member of the management told me.


p.s. You miss out on coming to habboxforum for a few days, and you miss everything!!

[Jin]

Before the rumour mill begins turning not even general management will know about the release date so.....

[Stephen]

awww no twitter connect? :(

[Jin]

Nope, if only habbo made "habbo connect"

[e5]

Ha Ha. Just fancied stirring it up ;)

How could something so trivial spark such an uproar?!

[GommeInc]

From what I understood of the V6 rumours, someone made up a few dates or made a few estimates, and Management didn't take the time to intervene to disprove them. So when new threads came about, management were happy enough to slap the wrists of the members who made the threads (Undertaker was one of them, maybe Blob) and then these users posted evidence of the rumours and estimated dates which Management didn't disprove, so these original estimates which were not disproved kept being referred to when what could of put an end to them would have been a quck intervention explaining what happened. Obviously Jin and a few others have done so in this thread, but it has been a bit late to do so since the previous threads were never disproven.

Hopefully people will hush up seeing as Late January, early February and "Q1 2011" estimates have now been mentioned. That's not to say confirmed though :P

[Recursion]

I heard it was coming on the 21st December 2012, Sierk himself told me. ;)

[e5]

It's february 30th tbh...

[Pyroka]

V6 threads make me smile.

I'm only addressing a few things. Firstly, I think the fact of the matter is that Blob could shout out deadlines & such because he's good enough to work to them. A developer would not want to give a deadline without being truly confident he could meet it. If they kept Blob on & supported him like they do now with HotelUser (Now a Super Moderator, coincidentally), he would've been much more willing to work for Habbox. That's where Habbox fall down though, because personal disagreements are how staff members get fired, and just for bragging rights, I can say with pride that ClubHabbo no longer operates under such rules. Furthermore, why there has been only one sole developer on a massive project? Seems totally silly, with both Robbie and Blob departing from the Site developer ranks, was it they couldn't work with HotelUser, or was it HotelUser that couldn't work with them? Because I'm under the impression both Robbie & Blob worked well together. Call it **** stirring, but I call it thinking outside the box.

Secondly, if deadlines were made why have General Management been making their own deadlines, or should I say 'estimates'? Estimates & deadlines, in users eyes, are one of the same. I think the amount of threads made about the V6 'estimates' show that, there's no real denying that one.

And finally, I saw the namedrops of ClubHabbo and it raised my eyebrow. Privacy issues? Members have the option to like something, it's a choice. I haven't used it myself as I don't want that appearing on my personal Facebook profile, but privacy...? Companies like Facebook & Twitter have their own privacy settings in place, why does Habbox feel that they're not up to standard? I'm frazzled on that point, frazzled.

[HotelUser]

V6 threads make me smile.

I'm only addressing a few things. Firstly, I think the fact of the matter is that Blob could shout out deadlines & such because he's good enough to work to them. A developer would not want to give a deadline without being truly confident he could meet it. If they kept Blob on & supported him like they do now with HotelUser (Now a Super Moderator, coincidentally), he would've been much more willing to work for Habbox. That's where Habbox fall down though, because personal disagreements are how staff members get fired, and just for bragging rights, I can say with pride that ClubHabbo no longer operates under such rules. Furthermore, why there has been only one sole developer on a massive project? Seems totally silly, with both Robbie and Blob departing from the Site developer ranks, was it they couldn't work with HotelUser, or was it HotelUser that couldn't work with them? Because I'm under the impression both Robbie & Blob worked well together. Call it **** stirring, but I call it thinking outside the box.

Secondly, if deadlines were made why have General Management been making their own deadlines, or should I say 'estimates'? Estimates & deadlines, in users eyes, are one of the same. I think the amount of threads made about the V6 'estimates' show that, there's no real denying that one.

And finally, I saw the namedrops of ClubHabbo and it raised my eyebrow. Privacy issues? Members have the option to like something, it's a choice. I haven't used it myself as I don't want that appearing on my personal Facebook profile, but privacy...? Companies like Facebook & Twitter have their own privacy settings in place, why does Habbox feel that they're not up to standard? I'm frazzled on that point, frazzled.

I'm not sure why me being a moderator has absolutely anything to do with me being a coder. I've also been managing the Help Desk for over a year, and?

Moreover I worked and got along quite well with Ryan and Robbie (infact I still talk to Ryan and we get alone great - even talk about coding, share ideas and libraries with eachother and so forth).

Your accusations retaining to me are actually quite alarming. I never worked with Robbie or Ryan on the scale to which I think you're under the impression that I have. Site coders are given tasks by general management and we do them. Much like the graphics department. We don't collaborate on the same scripts and so the only times where what we do crosses paths with eachother is when one of us was ever asked to edit a script someone else created. I was given tasks to do for the site and I did them. As far as I'm aware those around me were given tasks and did not do them.

I'm also at a loss over what to say retaining to Ryan and the deadlines he foretold now, partly because that was before I was even involved here and partly because having been the only person coding the new website, I would never give precise dates for a release. The list of features is flexible and I don't think a lot of people realize that coding is not objective in the sense that there is one one clearcut way to accomplish anything and the scripts being created are to appease a great deal of people so adjustments and in some cases entire elements being recoded are not uncommon.

[Pyroka]

I'm not sure why me being a moderator has absolutely anything to do with me being a coder. I've also been managing the Help Desk for over a year, and?

Moreover I worked and got along quite well with Ryan and Robbie (infact I still talk to Ryan and we get alone great - even talk about coding, share ideas and libraries with eachother and so forth).

Your accusations retaining to me are actually quite alarming. I never worked with Robbie or Ryan on the scale to which I think you're under the impression that I have. Site coders are given tasks by general management and we do them. Much like the graphics department. We don't collaborate on the same scripts and so the only times where what we do crosses paths with eachother is when one of us was ever asked to edit a script someone else created. I was given tasks to do for the site and I did them. As far as I'm aware those around me were given tasks and did not do them.

I'm also at a loss over what to say retaining to Ryan and the deadlines he foretold now, partly because that was before I was even involved here and partly because having been the only person coding the new website, I would never give precise dates for a release. The list of features is flexible and I don't think a lot of people realize that coding is not objective in the sense that there is one one clearcut way to accomplish anything and the scripts being created are to appease a great deal of people so adjustments and in some cases entire elements being recoded are not uncommon.

Accusations? You must've skim-read my post. I was simply introducing the concept that something that differs from what General Management has said. An accusation & the exploring of a possibility simply aren't the same. As I said, Ryan must've been confident enough to say that he could do it at a certain time. But thank you for the reply regardless, cleared a few things up for everyone I'm sure. :)

[HotelUser]

Accusations? You must've skim-read my post. I was simply introducing the concept that something that differs from what General Management has said. An accusation & the exploring of a possibility simply aren't the same. As I said, Ryan must've been confident enough to say that he could do it at a certain time. But thank you for the reply regardless, cleared a few things up for everyone I'm sure. :)


Seems totally silly, with both Robbie and Blob departing from the Site developer ranks, was it they couldn't work with HotelUser, or was it HotelUser that couldn't work with them? Because I'm under the impression both Robbie & Blob worked well together. Call it **** stirring, but I call it thinking outside the box.

A clear accusation, and you're more than welcome :)

[Hayleigh]

At the end of the day version six comes when it comes . I for one am thankful to hoteluser as I know most people cannot code such as myself and the fact that he is working alone and making progress is really something which in my eyes we should applause him for . No he should not have to quit as a moderator or demote himself in hxhd if anyone wants to suggest this a habbox is a place for fun. David does this for us and if the site dosent reach deadline so what we still have a mostly functioning site in the mean time . Complaining won't speed anything up . I apologise for any errors as icant type on my iPod D:

[Jin]

Wow I actually applause you on your ignorance yet again pyroka must be awesome for you to live in your own little bubble, now I did write this as a long reply but the retro blue skin (which I have now disabled) has lost it so I will reply in bullet points.




Blob had no right to make any claims on deadlines as it wasn't his job to do so. Let me explain it to you in a clubhabbo context so you can understand this. It would be like Clubhabbo DJ Blaze announcing to people that the radio is going to close down next week.
Blob missed ever deadline from the Rare values system to whatever minor things he did for V6.
Alkaz told me he had been badgering blob for over a week as he hadn't yet made changes to a design he had created nothing major just borders and background change. I step in to stop blob from being dismissed and asked blob when this would be done he told me 7pm that evening, effectively setting a deadline himself. I never received those changes, few days later your posted a nice thread on how we can make getting hacked easier and passed it off as feedback, funsies.
As for supporting blob, lets see now, Blob wanted to work on his own, he wanted unrestricted access to all sites, he wanted to also manage the coding department (of which there wasnt one) and more importantly he kept going off spec as well as lacked common sense and intiative. So yeah I think it's understandable if I didn't encourage him in these matters. Secondly I intervened twice earlier stopping blob being dismissed by general management I think that is as supportive anyone can get.
Robbie was given a task by hecktix and didnt complete it so yeah that is the problem there.
You also can't have it both ways, in the grand scheme of things V6 is a tiny project, lets face it, it aint no google. Blob made a mock up by himself on a basic version so even your best buddy wanted to do it by himself.
Facebook have been criticized frequently over their privacy but that isn't why we aren't using their api. All I did was pointed something on the CH homepage and said why we wouldn't do the same and for some reason you got your ovaries tangled over it. If you are offended or upset because of this I apologies I merely wanted to point out to people what is possible with facebook api and that we wouldn't be using it. The reason why we aren't using it is because Habbox's viewpoint is that users may be naive to their actions on the internet. Where as you seem to suggest a view that users are responsible for their actions and you have no duty to protect them. If you going to put something on you website don't get offended if somebody refers to it.


I prime example of going off spec,

In the rare values system it was stated in the spec that there should be a user management that supported usergroups that allowed admins to add and remove users from the panel. Somehow blob interpreted that as, "Make a database, write the two current managers usernames in the database create their password hash and whenever you want to change staff you can delete their name straight from the database, write a new php page which generates a new password based upon an algorithm and a supplied salt and then run a MySQL query to add these credentials into the user table."

HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY ANY ANY SENSE IF YOU ARE DEVELOPING A SYSTEM!?!?!?! YEAH THE USERS CAN USE THIS PANEL TO UPDATE RARE VALUES BUT SHOULD THEY WANT TO PERFORM THE MENIAL TASK OF ADDING AND REMOVING USERS THEY MUST PISS ABOUT WITH PHP, FUNCTIONS AND MYSQL QUERIES!

[Calvin]

That quote says "we HOPE", it doesn't say "we ARE" so they didn't exactly say it's definitely coming in Summer. Everyone is arguing over one stupid little thing. You're relying on one person so don't expect them to stay up 24/7 coding Habbox version 6. Just wait till it's out, simple.

[Jin]

That quote says "we HOPE", it doesn't say "we ARE" so they didn't exactly say it's definitely coming in Summer. Everyone is arguing over one stupid little thing. You're relying on one person so don't expect them to stay up 24/7 coding Habbox version 6. Just wait till it's out, simple.

The summer thing was suppose to be a sandbox thing in my mind, just to see how the users reacted to the changes but then I thought if we were going to go to the effort of the changes in that announcement V6 wouldn't be much further. So I changed my mind over it.

[Pyroka]

A clear accusation, and you're more than welcome :)

If that's a clear accusation, then clearly you've been looking at code too much.


Wow I actually applause you on your ignorance yet again pyroka must be awesome for you to live in your own little bubble, now I did write this as a long reply but the retro blue skin (which I have now disabled) has lost it so I will reply in bullet points.





Blob had no right to make any claims on deadlines as it wasn't his job to do so. Let me explain it to you in a clubhabbo context so you can understand this. It would be like Clubhabbo DJ Blaze announcing to people that the radio is going to close down next week.
Blob missed ever deadline from the Rare values system to whatever minor things he did for V6.
Alkaz told me he had been badgering blob for over a week as he hadn't yet made changes to a design he had created nothing major just borders and background change. I step in to stop blob from being dismissed and asked blob when this would be done he told me 7pm that evening, effectively setting a deadline himself. I never received those changes, few days later your posted a nice thread on how we can make getting hacked easier and passed it off as feedback, funsies.
As for supporting blob, lets see now, Blob wanted to work on his own, he wanted unrestricted access to all sites, he wanted to also manage the coding department (of which there wasnt one) and more importantly he kept going off spec as well as lacked common sense and intiative. So yeah I think it's understandable if I didn't encourage him in these matters. Secondly I intervened twice earlier stopping blob being dismissed by general management I think that is as supportive anyone can get.
Robbie was given a task by hecktix and didnt complete it so yeah that is the problem there.
You also can't have it both ways, in the grand scheme of things V6 is a tiny project, lets face it, it aint no google. Blob made a mock up by himself on a basic version so even your best buddy wanted to do it by himself.
Facebook have been criticized frequently over their privacy but that isn't why we aren't using their api. All I did was pointed something on the CH homepage and said why we wouldn't do the same and for some reason you got your ovaries tangled over it. If you are offended or upset because of this I apologies I merely wanted to point out to people what is possible with facebook api and that we wouldn't be using it. The reason why we aren't using it is because Habbox's viewpoint is that users may be naive to their actions on the internet. Where as you seem to suggest a view that users are responsible for their actions and you have no duty to protect them. If you going to put something on you website don't get offended if somebody refers to it.



I prime example of going off spec,

In the rare values system it was stated in the spec that there should be a user management that supported usergroups that allowed admins to add and remove users from the panel. Somehow blob interpreted that as, "Make a database, write the two current managers usernames in the database create their password hash and whenever you want to change staff you can delete their name straight from the database, write a new php page which generates a new password based upon an algorithm and a supplied salt and then run a MySQL query to add these credentials into the user table."

HOW DOES THAT MAKE ANY ANY ANY SENSE IF YOU ARE DEVELOPING A SYSTEM!?!?!?! YEAH THE USERS CAN USE THIS PANEL TO UPDATE RARE VALUES BUT SHOULD THEY WANT TO PERFORM THE MENIAL TASK OF ADDING AND REMOVING USERS THEY MUST PISS ABOUT WITH PHP, FUNCTIONS AND MYSQL QUERIES!

Whoa you mad bro? I kid, but seriously you didn't have to write such a lengthy reply when HotelUser told me pretty much all I needed to know. Nice to know you care though.

One last observation about most, if not all V6 threads, before I go. Has anyone noticed that instead of apologizing that V6 is taking a while, they simply tell them to shut up and be patient? Gotta love it.

[HotelUser]

If that's a clear accusation, then clearly you've been looking at code too much.

Oh, but based around the circumstances presented throughout the thread I'd say I'm not looking at code quite enough :P

[Pyroka]

Oh, but based around the circumstances presented throughout the thread I'd say I'm not looking at code quite enough :P

LOL. Well played sir, well played. But really, I wasn't directly accusing you of anything.

[Casanova]

you implied he may be difficult to work, it's not a clear accusation but all the same it did indeed indicate you thought as much.

When I think on it, I'd rather a good new style and a really well made, rich new design instead of a rushed load of ** that doesn't work properly.

[Pyroka]

you implied he may be difficult to work, it's not a clear accusation but all the same it did indeed indicate you thought as much.

When I think on it, I'd rather a good new style and a really well made, rich new design instead of a rushed load of ** that doesn't work properly.

Thanks for backing me up Casanova. :)

[e5]

This "Blob" seems very targeted in this thread... If I was constantly being accused of this and that, i'd feel very much cyber bullied.

[HotelUser]

LOL. Well played sir, well played. But really, I wasn't directly accusing you of anything.

It was the bringing me being a super moderator into it which first raised my eyebrow, the word you used, "coincidentally" didn't paint a good picture in my head!


you implied he may be difficult to work, it's not a clear accusation but all the same it did indeed indicate you thought as much.

When I think on it, I'd rather a good new style and a really well made, rich new design instead of a rushed load of ** that doesn't work properly.

You and me both, and that's the plan :)

[AgnesIO]

All I am going to say, is Habbox should be SERIOUSLY pleased to have David. By the l,ooks of it, he is working his arse off, and would turn down money to code for you.

If he doesn't have Habbox Merit give it to him.

[Robbie]

I heard my name. I didn't finish a survey script for Oli which if I'm being honest I didn't really want to do properly and I coded (or started) it in a horrific way because I really couldn't be bothered to do it. So I suppose if that's the reason I was fired then that's fair enough. I wanted more involvement in v6 and the "hardcore" coding of it - which I never did or was given.

Alkaz was the only person who'd speak to me about it, and even then it was just ideas etc. It seemed that SOME people wanted to be seen as the "untouchable" who wanted to do everything single-handedly and get all the credit because they seem incapable of working with others... Anyway, David and other members of management just told me nothing about it and left me to do menial tasks such as the survey, hence why I was annoyed at having to do it. David spoke to me about three times about nothing really of concern regarding v6, and I felt as if I wasn't involved with Habbox and the development of v6.

I'd like to start coding for Habbox again without doubt, I enjoy development and it's what I want to do in the future, but the survey thing pissed me off beyond belief hence why I didn't do it. I like CREATING things and seeing them COME TOGETHER. Debugging your own creations etc is quite enjoyable to me. Creating a crappy survey thing when you know someone else is doing all the "good stuff" that everyone will get to see is ******* annoying. I know you can't do that in the real world, but this isn't that.

[Jin]

One last observation about most, if not all V6 threads, before I go. Has anyone noticed that instead of apologizing that V6 is taking a while, they simply tell them to shut up and be patient? Gotta love it.


I am sorry you were mislead by a member of staff who had no authority in saying the things he said to you.
I am sorry you were gullible to believe these things considering this person wasn't management or anything of those sorts.
I am sorry that you like to think you are actually intelligent enough to give any form of feedback when all you seem capable of playing is the blame game which undoubtedly you lose every time because you never know what is actually occurring as you take everything at face value.

That's all I have to apologies for because we are on track in terms of V6. If you think otherwise then that's your own problem :)

[AgnesIO]

I am sorry you were mislead by a member of staff who had no authority in saying the things he said to you.
I am sorry you were gullible to believe these things considering this person wasn't management or anything of those sorts.
I am sorry that you like to think you are actually intelligent enough to give any form of feedback when all you seem capable of playing is the blame game which undoubtedly you lose every time because you never know what is actually occurring as you take everything at face value.

That's all I have to apologies for because we are on track in terms of V6. If you think otherwise then that's your own problem :)

Why wouldn't we believe someone in a far more important role than half of the general managers?

How many of the general managers can actually code properly? If they can code better than our coders, tell them their new job descriptions.

[Recursion]

Simple:

Habbox don't have a leg to stand on in terms of firing staff for not meeting deadlines, after all, they are volunteers.

[Hecktix]

Simple:

Habbox don't have a leg to stand on in terms of firing staff for not meeting deadlines, after all, they are volunteers.

Of course we can fire staff for not meeting deadlines, volunteer or not you agree to our terms as staff and if you don't stick by the rules you are removed from the teams.

[Jsoh]

Simple:

Habbox don't have a leg to stand on in terms of firing staff for not meeting deadlines, after all, they are volunteers.

I totally disagree. If Habbox or any other fansite hadn't ensured that these deadlines had been met, they'd have closed years ago. Habbox has a leg to stand on in terms of firing staff for not meeting deadlines simply because surely whenever somebody joins Habbox they agree to work to deadlines which they themselves or a management member sets. If there was no deadlines for V6 for Habbox I'd imagine we would be waiting for a much longer time.

[Recursion]

I'm not saying they don't have a right to, but when they're playing the blame game and such, it's going a bit far.

[Grig]

Right, so Blob was reading this thread and wanted me to post for him. Please note, these are not my views and I don't represent these views, I'm simply relaying what he wanted to say. All these views were written by Ryan :).



For one, I can't remember releasing any dates of when v6 was to be released. Sure I may have estimated the month it would be released, but never a final date as such.

I'll put this in here now - I leaked nothing regarding v6. I showed people (shortly after I was fired) the layout I had designed for v6. Lets face it now, why would you use a layout from an old developer after you have fired him? Would he really let you? No. Therefore, I had every single right to show people what I had created and why I am supposed to be IP banned and I'm on the auto ban list and permed confuses me.

I had a layout, intergrated with a widget system which I found really nice. At no point did I "continue to develop this and disregard anything else of my workload", because it is still in the same condition as to when I introduced the idea and system to Habbox Management (minus a few graphical changes, for v6 ya kno).

I'll also say this - working at ClubHabbo was the best fansite to work at if I'm honest with you. Sure, being management at Habbox would have been brilliant as I would have a direct connection to the owner, like I did at ClubHabbo. Saying I wanted to be management at the time of working for Habbox like I was at ClubHabbo is quite a stupid statement if I say so myself, as I had no idea of what being management at ClubHabbo was to be like, considering I started working for them after I got fired from Habbox.

Also, I get along with David (and Robbie) just fine. Although I don't talk to Robbie as much, David and I continue to talk about coding and things (in before Jin thinks he is talking to me about secret v6 stuff).

Yes, I wanted to work myself. Why? Quickness. Pressure was coming for v6 and I work the best by myself with my coding style, and mixing it with David would have been slow and difficult with communication.

Sure, I missed a few deadlines (although I can't remember missing a rare values deadline, and I sure didn't create anything for v6, nor was I asked to), but what did I actually do for Habbox? A reason why I was fired (although I'm sure Jin and General Management would try to shoot this down) was voicing an opinion. I'm sure many of you have seen my rant about how it is working as a site coder, but to be fair, without me, you would still be stuck with a rubbish rare values system amongst other things.

In reply to the rare values system comment, the original specification was to get it done for the two managers. It wasn't until I was redoing the panels when the actual staff management aspect came into things.

In terms of the full access - what? How can you expect us to code without full access? You didn't know who I was? I worked for you for about 10 months? Sure, cPanel might be going way over the top but not allowing coders to have full access to public_html is a bit over the top.

Thanks for nailing the blame on me though, Jin. I won't be replying to anymore, so continue to bash a permed member if you wish to do so (it looks quite petty actually, nailing the blame on someone who can't defend themselves). All problems have a cause Jin, and oh wait - it seems the problem was you.

[Mathew]

If he doesn't have Habbox Merit give it to him.
Agreed! :)

I love it how all this V6 nonsense is being taken so far out of context and everything is being taken so seriously. I don't care who's blaming who and I couldn't care less about whether Site Coders get along or not. At the end of the day, it's a fansite for a flipping online game! Yes Habbox is a fun hobby for pretty much all of us, but when it comes down to jumping down each others throat and throwing blames around to everyone, that's why it gets personal and it's simply not needed on a site like this.

[sophiethenerd]

Agreed! :)

I love it how all this V6 nonsense is being taken so far out of context and everything is being taken so seriously. I don't care who's blaming who and I couldn't care less about whether Site Coders get along or not. At the end of the day, it's a fansite for a flipping online game! Yes Habbox is a fun hobby for pretty much all of us, but when it comes down to jumping down each others throat and throwing blames around to everyone, that's why it gets personal and it's simply not needed on a site like this.
HERE HERE. I would rep but I can't sorry. Lets all be nice. TBH V6 is just a website layout. Nothing to get excited or irritated about.

[prettyhotpixie]

Woo, cant wait :]

[Pyroka]

I am sorry you were mislead by a member of staff who had no authority in saying the things he said to you.
I am sorry you were gullible to believe these things considering this person wasn't management or anything of those sorts.
I am sorry that you like to think you are actually intelligent enough to give any form of feedback when all you seem capable of playing is the blame game which undoubtedly you lose every time because you never know what is actually occurring as you take everything at face value.

That's all I have to apologies for because we are on track in terms of V6. If you think otherwise then that's your own problem :)

Thank you for a most condescending apology, I wouldn't have it any other way from such a senior figure on a Habbo fansite. :)


Why wouldn't we believe someone in a far more important role than half of the general managers?

How many of the general managers can actually code properly? If they can code better than our coders, tell them their new job descriptions.

One story that always made me giggle, was when Blob & Robbie told me that Alkaz didn't know how to code an iFrame. AGM (Content) my arse lol.


Right, so Blob was reading this thread and wanted me to post for him. Please note, these are not my views and I don't represent these views, I'm simply relaying what he wanted to say. All these views were written by Ryan :).

First post that I've felt actually contributed to the discussion in a positive manner. Shame you banned the member so he couldn't have his say till now. I expect the Habbox Feedback forum to no longer be visible to guests as of next month, or in Habbox time, next year. Go team.


Agreed! :)

I love it how all this V6 nonsense is being taken so far out of context and everything is being taken so seriously. I don't care who's blaming who and I couldn't care less about whether Site Coders get along or not. At the end of the day, it's a fansite for a flipping online game! Yes Habbox is a fun hobby for pretty much all of us, but when it comes down to jumping down each others throat and throwing blames around to everyone, that's why it gets personal and it's simply not needed on a site like this.

Mathew, you're a Habbox Manager, you lose the right to make a decent point as soon as you taken the role. It's just the way it goes around here lol.

This forum is gonna be hella boring once V6 is actually out.

[HotelUser]

Thank you for a most condescending apology, I wouldn't have it any other way from such a senior figure on a Habbo fansite. :)

Considering the accuracy and attitude within your posts I'm surprised Jin even bothered to give you any sort of apology.



One story that always made me giggle, was when Blob & Robbie told me that Alkaz didn't know how to code an iFrame. AGM (Content) my arse lol.

Oh boy, this is extremely relavent to version six.




First post that I've felt actually contributed to the discussion in a positive manner. Shame you banned the member so he couldn't have his say till now. I expect the Habbox Feedback forum to no longer be visible to guests as of next month, or in Habbox time, next year. Go team.

Ryan does have a fair overview on things from his point of view, and his reply is quite mature. He and I had a brief discussion today on the subject. It's the first post you've seen to contribute to the discussion in a positive manner you say? I'm quite glad we both agree none of your posts have done that so far then :).



Mathew, you're a Habbox Manager, you lose the right to make a decent point as soon as you taken the role. It's just the way it goes around here lol.

This forum is gonna be hella boring once V6 is actually out.
And speaking of contributing to the discussion in a positive manner, eh?

Ryan you're not going to get anywhere with us with such a defensive and I'd go as far as to say narrow minded attitude like you've presented throughout the entire thread. You and I have even spoken about coding, V6 and Club Habbo in the past in the Help Desk and you were very easy to talk to then, so I'm entirely confused as to why you're taking such a different stance in this feedback thread.

Matthew has had access to and has been using the Events Department elements of the new website for longer than any other manager (I'm not going to count myself for obvious reasons), he is more entitled to speak his mind on anything he wants retaining to its presentation, coding, or opinions on this thread itself (and it's completely beyond me how there could even be such conflict when it comes to coding, I don't know how it works on other fansites though I'd imagine it's a lot less public).

[Mathew]

First post that I've felt actually contributed to the discussion in a positive manner. Shame you banned the member so he couldn't have his say till now. I expect the Habbox Feedback forum to no longer be visible to guests as of next month, or in Habbox time, next year. Go team.
You only think it contributes the discussion because he agrees with you, not everyone has to think you're correct, Ryan! :P


Mathew, you're a Habbox Manager, you lose the right to make a decent point as soon as you taken the role. It's just the way it goes around here lol.
Or maybe I'm just looking at reality and thinking this whole discussion is childish? :P

[Pyroka]

Considering the accuracy and attitude within your posts I'm surprised Jin even bothered to give you any sort of apology.

Oh boy, this is extremely relavent to version six.

Ryan does have a fair overview on things from his point of view, and his reply is quite mature. He and I had a brief discussion today on the subject. It's the first post you've seen to contribute to the discussion in a positive manner you say? I'm quite glad we both agree none of your posts have done that so far then :).

And speaking of contributing to the discussion in a positive manner, eh?

Ryan you're not going to get anywhere with us with such a defensive and I'd go as far as to say narrow minded attitude like you've presented throughout the entire thread. You and I have even spoken about coding, V6 and Club Habbo in the past in the Help Desk and you were very easy to talk to then, so I'm entirely confused as to why you're taking such a different stance in this feedback thread.

Matthew has had access to and has been using the Events Department elements of the new website for longer than any other manager (I'm not going to count myself for obvious reasons), he is more entitled to speak his mind on anything he wants retaining to its presentation, coding, or opinions on this thread itself (and it's completely beyond me how there could even be such conflict when it comes to coding, I don't know how it works on other fansites though I'd imagine it's a lot less public).

Firstly I wasn't asking for a personal apology, I was simply stating that no managers have given any apology to any member on this forum over terrible estimates, but if that's the kind of apology that Jin would give out then it's probably for the best that he's not the one apologizing on behalf of Habbox. Come to think though, there's not many people who'd do a better job of it. As for my Alkaz comment, did I say it was relevant to V6? No, now stop trying to avoid the fact that it's pretty lolz that he holds such a position yet can't do basic HTML.

Also, I haven't mentioned any criticism of the features you told me about in V6, nor have I said it's going to be terrible (though I know I've said it's going to be a letdown compared to the hype), nor have I said anything which contradicts what I said in the help desk to you that night, therefore your point of view on saying that I have a different stance is very much misguided. You could search in other threads for anything which contradicts what I've said and backs up your point of view, but I think you'd be wasting your time.

[Hecktix]

Last time I checked Ryan this thread quite clearly stated that no member of management has estimated any release period apart from end of January/Q1 2011 so management have nothing to apologise for.

[HotelUser]

Firstly I wasn't asking for a personal apology, I was simply stating that no managers have given any apology to any member on this forum over terrible estimates, but if that's the kind of apology that Jin would give out then it's probably for the best that he's not the one apologizing on behalf of Habbox. Come to think though, there's not many people who'd do a better job of it. As for my Alkaz comment, did I say it was relevant to V6? No, now stop trying to avoid the fact that it's pretty lolz that he holds such a position yet can't do basic HTML.

Also, I haven't mentioned any criticism of the features you told me about in V6, nor have I said it's going to be terrible (though I know I've said it's going to be a letdown compared to the hype), nor have I said anything which contradicts what I said in the help desk to you that night, therefore your point of view on saying that I have a different stance is very much misguided. You could search in other threads for anything which contradicts what I've said and backs up your point of view, but I think you'd be wasting your time.

In lieu of picking on poor Joe here I could if I wanted, find what I would consider areas of coding in which you're lacking that would suggest you're ill-suited to hold the position of Club Habbo Site Manager. I believe it was you who told me yourself that there's a lot you're still learning which was cause of controversy over your appointment to the position during our conversation in the Help Desk. Every coder or person working with websites has their weaknesses and to publicly scrutinize someone over theirs as you have done is simply displaying a disgustingly bad attitude for someone in your position.

Since you've brought up Joe his position here works out quite well because he can focus on making sure the content of Habbox.com is pretty, and upto date and I can focus on the coding side of things, producing and updating scripts, bug fixes without having content management to worry about 50% of the time. Joe understands enough HTML to get by in content management- and as of the present Habbox uses the Joomla markup language to include external pages so iframes don't really matter and your example from the grapevine is redundant. I'll also go as far as to say that who we (well-- in this case Matt and Jin) appoint to a position is absolutely none of your business and since you seem to have forgotten how jobs work here which is odd considering you've been familiar with Habbox for years and years, if you wish to lodge a complaint where there is room for momentum thereafter I strongly encourage you to do so privately. I have linked this entire last sentence to Mr. Garner's inbox for your convenience (http://www.habboxforum.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=1020) :)

[Chippiewill]

The thing is, this whole thing could have been dealt with months ago if either Jin, Matt or generally any AGM had just said:

"Apologies on the inaccurate ETA of Version Six issued by Blob, he got overexcited"

Instead you're acting like six year olds, not manning up and turning him into villain so that you weren't the ones to blame. Regardless of who actually said it, it's your responsibility to publicly apologise because you're the managers.


Last time I checked Ryan this thread quite clearly stated that no member of management has estimated any release period apart from end of January/Q1 2011 so management have nothing to apologise for.
You're managers, deal with your actual responsibilities for once rather than winging in feedback threads about why it isn't.

[AgnesIO]

The thing is, this whole thing could have been dealt with months ago if either Jin, Matt or generally any AGM had just said:

"Apologies on the inaccurate ETA of Version Six issued by Blob, he got overexcited"

Instead you're acting like six year olds, not manning up and turning him into villain so that you weren't the ones to blame. Regardless of who actually said it, it's your responsibility to publicly apologise because you're the managers.


You're managers, deal with your actual responsibilities for once rather than winging in feedback threads about why it isn't.

This man talks sense.

[GommeInc]

The thing is, this whole thing could have been dealt with months ago if either Jin, Matt or generally any AGM had just said:

"Apologies on the inaccurate ETA of Version Six issued by Blob, he got overexcited"

Instead you're acting like six year olds, not manning up and turning him into villain so that you weren't the ones to blame. Regardless of who actually said it, it's your responsibility to publicly apologise because you're the managers.

You're managers, deal with your actual responsibilities for once rather than winging in feedback threads about why it isn't.
100% agreed. I was talking about this the other day with a few members on here and it's incredibly shameful how some members and general management are reacting. You get the General Management who are playing the blame game but never actually solve any issues (some of which are acting incredibly out of order :rolleyes:), then when members fight back they get all angry and "pissy" digging a much deeper hole for themselves than necessary. IF members are spreading rumours, invalidate them, not play a pointless blame game and show the whole forum community how incredibly childish and unprofessional you are.

[sophiethenerd]

I like mangment. Hey they make mistakes, but everybody does . Now this is not a thread about mangement or stuffs .Its about v6.
Back on topic so I dont get warned ,Hi mods!
I think when it is launched its going to be totally different to what we are expecting.

[Chippiewill]

This man talks sense.

100% agreed.
Oh good, I thought I might have been wrong somehow. But judging by the way that management are now avoiding this thread like the plague...

[Hecktix]

Oh good, I thought I might have been wrong somehow. But judging by the way that management are now avoiding this thread like the plague...

There's no more to say, we've highlighted issues with what's been said. If people make a thread having ago at us for something that isn't our fault we will not fall down and say "omg we're so sorry" - it's not our fault Blob said stuff and it's not our fault you fell for it, if I'm not wrong Jin apologised when he cleared it up several months ago. Some people just like to moan about management at any available opportunity.

Given that this threads purpose has been solved and it just seems to be several groups of arguments going on, thread closed.

[Hecktix]

For some clarification:

May I also add that I'm not sure General Management were aware of what Blob was saying until the team at the time were informed by a member, as until September/October General Management had little to do with V6 if anything at all. This has got way out of hand now - what is being discussed is in the past and I believe that it is irrelevant, I wasn't part of the Management team that dealt with Blob (I think my first week was when he got fired) however as Forum Manager I was led to believe Blob did and said what he wanted despite several complaints from departmental managers and even (I believe Assistant General Managers). However at this time I believe Blob was the brains behind v6 and Jin liked his work therefore he was just "left to it". I can only say that the problem was rectified in the end and David was put into position and things have been positive from there.

Any misconception about v6 before has now been clarified and I feel that this entire issue has been blown completely out of proportion, I actually thought I had closed this thread when Pyroka & Hoteluser were going off on one and I replied earlier to point out something, however obviously I didn't therefore I closed it when I did.

Current Management have done absolutely everything within our power to see that v6 is produced to be a damn good website, over the past month I've been working with David on a lot of the features and the layout and I must say before then even I was quite worried about v6, we didn't even have a layout before December. However what we can't do is produce a damn good website when we have threads like these getting completely out of hand