Employed 'given housing priority'

[Conservative,]

Westminster council may give employed housing priority

People in employment would be prioritised on Westminster's council house waiting list

The Conservative-run council said the policy was designed "to reward those who are in jobs".

But Labour councillor Guthrie McKie said: "To discriminate against people for being unemployed is disgusting."

A decision on the proposals will be made in February. If approved, plans will be implemented by April.

The council said the proposal was "designed to recognise positive contributions to society, reward those who are in jobs and to encourage those who are not currently employed to seek work".

'Political ideology'
Under the council's plans, working households will be defined as those where the main applicant or their partner are in work, have a permanent or temporary contract or are self-employed.

People who would be prioritised must have been working for a minimum of two years.

But Mr McKie said: "I don't think its a good policy.

"There should be a level playing field. We are in a climate of unemployment increasing.

"This policy is driven by political ideology, not the need to resolve problems with social cohesion in the region."

Westminster cabinet member for housing, Councillor Philippa Roe, said: "We want to introduce a system which is fairer to local people and rewards those in employment.

Finally SOME common sense.

The labour guys comment is just laughable. OF COURSE the working should get housing - they are contributing to society - paying taxes - going out and working - hopefully contributing to the economy.

I wish this was implemented EVERYWHERE tbh. The fact that unemployed, sometimes illegal, immigrants are put above our employed, British citizens is just disgusting.

Comments?

[-:Undertaker:-]

I like the idea, good move.

[Jordy]

Suppose it's a good idea, definitely worth trying that's for sure.

But are there many unemployed people in Westminster anyway? :P Considering it has some of the highest house prices in the world, you must have a pretty decent income to be able to afford to live there! I'd be interested to see this policy brought to elsewhere in England and see whether it gets more people into jobs (if so it's surely a good thing?).

[Casanova]

Only four percent of council housing are actually inhabited by immigrants/asylum seekers? Doesn't include private rented property.

I do understand where they're coming from but it's not the right time for it? a lot of people are losing their jobs, selling their properties for less meaning they have no equity or actually owe out. This would mean they need council housing/housing support. To then deny them housing because they're unemployed is stupid and difficult to work around?

I think it should be people employed and people unemployed for no more than a year. This way it's fair, benefits those whom work and have worked?
Instead of the chavy, (sometimes) obese health problems that hog most council houses, who sit at home smoking and contributing nothing.

[Agnostic Bear]

This is a fantastic idea and definitely a step in the right direction.

[cocaine]

when asylum seekers are given expensive houses, mobile phones and luxury cars? yes please, the employed are clearly contributing to the country, get them decent housing to encourage further contributions, and leave the unemployed with a motive to actually find work. lessen JSA so the unemployment trap isn't an issue anymore, and you get a win-win situation.

[GommeInc]

Seems like a good idea, afterall most of the people I know who are desperately seeking homes are employed but cannot afford to buy a house in the current climate, so definitely a good move even though Westminster doesn't seem the sort of area to have a large percentage of unemployment :P

[Niall!]

Just wondering; the people that are saying good idea, how many of you have a job and aren't living with mummy?

[Jordy]

Just wondering; the people that are saying good idea, how many of you have a job and aren't living with mummy?I'm 17 and a full time student so it doesn't matter. the vast majority of people on here are students so we can't be expected to fend for ourselves seeing as we're too young and cannot get a full time job to fully support ourselves.

[Niall!]

I'm 17 and a full time student so it doesn't matter. the vast majority of people on here are students so we can't be expected to fend for ourselves seeing as we're too young and cannot get a full time job to fully support ourselves.


Let's say someone is 18. He comes from a broken home, his father left years ago and his mother is ill. Eventually his mother gets taken into hospital and he's forced to grow up in an orphanage. Because of the disruption in his life he wasn't the best student; understandable. Eventually he turns 18 but cannot get a job because of circumstances that he couldn't change. But the government then says "**** you you useless pile of ****" and gives a house he was seeking to someone who works a full time job and can't be bothered paying rent.

Yeah, this sounds like a fantastic idea. This was just a message to little kiddies out there who agree with this. Humans aren't equal, that is true. But giving free things to the ones already better off is ******ed.

(The person in this story is made up, but I know someone who went through something similar apart from the ending)

[Jordy]

Let's say someone is 18. He comes from a broken home, his father left years ago and his mother is ill. Eventually his mother gets taken into hospital and he's forced to grow up in an orphanage. Because of the disruption in his life he wasn't the best student; understandable. Eventually he turns 18 but cannot get a job because of circumstances that he couldn't change. But the government then says "**** you you useless pile of ****" and gives a house he was seeking to someone who works a full time job and can't be bothered paying rent.

Yeah, this sounds like a fantastic idea. This was just a message to little kiddies out there who agree with this. Humans aren't equal, that is true. But giving free things to the ones already better off is ******ed.

(The person in this story is made up, but I know someone who went through something similar apart from the ending)Just because he had a poor upbringing and no qualifications doesn't mean he can't get a job. The government also offer lots of help at that age for getting you into a job or an apprenticeship.

[Niall!]

Just because he had a poor upbringing and no qualifications doesn't mean he can't get a job. The government also offer lots of help at that age for getting you into a job or an apprenticeship.

Yeah, so what is he supposed to do while waiting to get into a job? And are you telling me if all that stuff happened to you you would keep studying?

[Catzsy]

Just because he had a poor upbringing and no qualifications doesn't mean he can't get a job. The government also offer lots of help at that age for getting you into a job or an apprenticeship.

It did Jordy, It did. :P

I am always suspicious of threads that don't contain the source of the original sources. At the moment this is just the view of the Housing Chief. It still has to go to the full council in April.
As somebody has already said how many unemployed people are there in Westminster, anyway?
If there are the rents are so high that they probably couldn't afford them given the council housing benefits limits which on the whole are a good idea in respect on long term unemployed but will be a problem on low paid employed people who are on say working tax credit. Personally I feel this is just 'a carrot' and a bit of political hype.

[Jordy]

Yeah, so what is he supposed to do while waiting to get into a job? And are you telling me if all that stuff happened to you you would keep studying?Apprenticeships are a different form of 'studying', it's not like school or college. It's in an actual work environment and more often than not, hands on work. They usually pay you as well.

Well at 18 if he doesn't wish to get a job or study then so be it, why does he deserve a house over someone who's worked for it. Just because of his circumstances it doesn't mean he should just give up and not contribute to society.

[Niall!]

Apprenticeships are a different form of 'studying', it's not like school or college. It's in an actual work environment and more often than not, hands on work. They usually pay you as well.

Well at 18 if he doesn't wish to get a job or study then so be it, why does he deserve a house over someone who's worked for it. Just because of his circumstances it doesn't mean he should just give up and not contribute to society.

I just said he wasn't able to get a job because his ****** up personal life made studying impossible. And studying after 18 isn't a job. So he still shouldn't get a house?

[Jordy]

It did Jordy, It did. :PI'm under the impression the government is strongly behind Apprenticeships and seem to be doing their best to boost them. I'm not entirely sure on the coalitions position on these things but they don't seem to be doing anything different to Labour rly.


I just said he wasn't able to get a job because his ****** up personal life made studying impossible. And studying after 18 isn't a job. So he still shouldn't get a house?It's always possible to get a job if you're determined enough, plus there's a lot of government help out there at the moment. I sense though this is going to go round in circles but anyway :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

Let's say someone is 18. He comes from a broken home, his father left years ago and his mother is ill. Eventually his mother gets taken into hospital and he's forced to grow up in an orphanage. Because of the disruption in his life he wasn't the best student; understandable. Eventually he turns 18 but cannot get a job because of circumstances that he couldn't change. But the government then says "**** you you useless pile of ****" and gives a house he was seeking to someone who works a full time job and can't be bothered paying rent.

Yeah, this sounds like a fantastic idea. This was just a message to little kiddies out there who agree with this. Humans aren't equal, that is true. But giving free things to the ones already better off is ******ed.

(The person in this story is made up, but I know someone who went through something similar apart from the ending)

Broken home, family illness and wealth do not affect your ability to go out and get a job, if you have determination you will mostly succeed - if you do not, then you will most likely fail and you deserve it. It is true though that wealth now affects educational ability, as since the abolition of the Grammar schools system the only way to buy into a good education is to go either private or have wealthy parents who will buy into a good catchment area - this is something the left refuses to admit to this day.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350726/UK-unemployment-500k-adults-worked-jobless-homes-double-Labour.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/26/article-1350726-0CEB9DC3000005DC-657_468x381.jpg

Figures are given here in the link, look at the statistics for the pre-war generation (pre-welfare state) compared to todays statistics - a round of applause for the Labour Party for firstly creating a costly welfare state and increasing the 'underclass' during their 13 years in office along with a pat on the back for the Conservative Party which has dithered and done nothing to sort these issues out.

[Conservative,]

Yeah, so what is he supposed to do while waiting to get into a job? And are you telling me if all that stuff happened to you you would keep studying?

People in an orphanage when they're 17/18 get moved to a halfway house (they're more independent etc) and then are usually given a small flat by the government. So your example was poor, plus as above has said, he could still get a job or apprenticeship without the best qualifications...

[Ajthedragon]

Finally, it's worth the work.