Rep Power

[AgnesIO]

Not exactly a big deal but anyway..

Why have admins got a higher rep now? Seems slightly pointless, why do you increase it every time members start to get more rep than management?

Fair enough if Jin and Sierk want 5 billion rep - they pay for the website after all. Just seems slightly pointless, and takes the entire point out of rep if you just give it to people who could potentially be very unpopular? :P

[Nemo]

i agree, like hell oli has 50 rep power pfft

[Mr-Trainor]

As I said in spam, I don't really have a problem with the 15 being increased but I think 50 is a bit too much! Matt did say that it may not be permanent though.

[xxMATTGxx]

-Reps everyone in this thread for a laugh but don't worry, it shouldn't be here for much longer either way.

[Chippiewill]

I have a disliking of this rep level, waaaay over the top.

I personally think administrators should really have their rep set to one.

[xxMATTGxx]

I have a disliking of this rep level, waaaay over the top.

I personally think administrators should really have their rep set to one.

Setting it to one is stupid and I hope you are joking.

[Hecktix]

A while back it was changed so administrators could have the rep power they have earned as for most of us this was higher than 15 anyway, I believe Jin changed it to 50 a few days ago to test something so I'm sure he will change it back when he has finished :)

[Chippiewill]

Setting it to one is stupid and I hope you are joking.

How so? They should have no need to +rep or -rep other people since they should be listening to other peoples opinions fairly and without bias.

[Nemo]

How so? They should have no need to +rep or -rep other people since they should be listening to other peoples opinions fairly and without bias.
rep isnt just for opinions, eg. if they ask where they could buy a laptop and someone shows them

[xxMATTGxx]

How so? They should have no need to +rep or -rep other people since they should be listening to other peoples opinions fairly and without bias.

Not all admins -rep users, I don't for one. Regardless of rep count, we should all have access to be able to +rep or -rep users on the forum. Plus, how are we suppose to +rep people that way for us liking their suggestion or anything else that +rep can be used for. (Don't say admincp)

[HotelUser]

How so? They should have no need to +rep or -rep other people since they should be listening to other peoples opinions fairly and without bias.

It's for that very reason which calls for general management to have an abundance of reputation in my opinion. They typically use it a lot more sparingly, but when they do it's to encourage and promote those who are making constructive threads, suggestions and to promote discussions.

[AgnesIO]

A while back it was changed so administrators could have the rep power they have earned as for most of us this was higher than 15 anyway, I believe Jin changed it to 50 a few days ago to test something so I'm sure he will change it back when he has finished :)

Well, I will suggest; let them have whatever rep they actually have - and if you want it to look nice, round it up to the nearest 5. (14 will be 15)

[Hecktix]

How so? They should have no need to +rep or -rep other people since they should be listening to other peoples opinions fairly and without bias.

We are members of this forum too. I am entitled to +rep posts I find helpful and I am entitled to -rep posts that I find disrespectful/rude.

[Eoin247]

Any idea what the rep will be at then if it's going to be changed later on from 50?

[Chippiewill]

Any idea what the rep will be at then if it's going to be changed later on from 50?

Judging from past experience, 45.

[Hecktix]

Any idea what the rep will be at then if it's going to be changed later on from 50?

It will probably be turned off again so our rep power is based on posts/join date/years joined/rep count :)


Judging from past experience, 45.

One day you will stop acting like a child.

[Chippiewill]

One day you will stop acting like a child.

One day you will do the same:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=685432&p=6975865#post6975865

Also:
A1. Respect other forum members ~ Always respect other forum members, this means do not be rude towards them and respect their opinions. You should not bully or victimise other members for any reason and you should not behave in a negative manner excessively.

Please ban yourself - Please.

Management setting an example? Nope.
Management learning from the other thread? Nope.

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I'll start writing my formal complaint to Jin and Sierk now then.

[Eoin247]

It will probably be turned off again so our rep power is based on posts/join date/years joined/rep count :)

Ah ok, thanks Oli :)

[Inseriousity.]

As it appears to only be a temporary thing, I'm not really that bothered but I'm not a fan of general management (except maybe Jin and Sierk cos its true, they do pay for the site!) having their rep power increased - or decreased by the sounds of it! - as they should earn their rep like everyone else :)

[AgnesIO]

As it appears to only be a temporary thing, I'm not really that bothered but I'm not a fan of general management (except maybe Jin and Sierk cos its true, they do pay for the site!) having their rep power increased - or decreased by the sounds of it! - as they should earn their rep like everyone else :)

Totally agree.

I hate to say this again, but am I right in saying massive changes were made last year to make new members feel equal - so 50 rep for management is sort of going against the concept :L

But it is temporary so oh well

[Eoin247]

Totally agree.

I hate to say this again, but am I right in saying massive changes were made last year to make new members feel equal - so 50 rep for management is sort of going against the concept :L

But it is temporary so oh well

True, :P it would be very ironic if it wasn't temporary.

[Ajthedragon]

To me being an admin shouldn't give you more rep power at all. Earn like the rest of us imo.

why's it temp anyway, why not just make it 15.

[xxMATTGxx]

To me being an admin shouldn't give you more rep power at all. Earn like the rest of us imo.

why's it temp anyway, why not just make it 15.

Jin was testing something, hence the rise. It is only temporarily, not sure how many times that has to be mentioned.

[mynameiswootzeh]

who actually cares about rep anyway

[Slowpoke]

Quite a few people, evidently

[Jin]

Admin reps have been set to 50 to help bump newer members along. I have been looking at some of our more "prominent" rep holders who have a high rep power and a lot of it seems from pointless repping.

So rather than going through member accounts removing pointless reputation which I don't mind I decided I would increase admin reps to help bump newer members along.

Though you do have your right to feedback we also do have our right to make changes and just because people don't agree with them doesn't mean we will change it. :)

[FlyingJesus]

Well that's not what the others said at all lol

[Hecktix]

Well that's not what the others said at all lol

It would appear what we thought Jin was doing was wrong :P

[AgnesIO]

Admin reps have been set to 50 to help bump newer members along. I have been looking at some of our more "prominent" rep holders who have a high rep power and a lot of it seems from pointless repping.

So rather than going through member accounts removing pointless reputation which I don't mind I decided I would increase admin reps to help bump newer members along.

Though you do have your right to feedback we also do have our right to make changes and just because people don't agree with them doesn't mean we will change it. :)

I just love how you and management never say the same thing.

You say it is to bump new members along, but some of us earn our rep - so getting 50 taken off us just because management disagree seems slightly harsh - it would take over 10 people to +rep you to get above that again (using an average).

Are we forgetting, new members should not be given pointless rep :l

Why not just give new members bonus rep if you suddenly care about them having rep?

[mynameiswootzeh]

can you increase mine too while you're at it so i can give new members good rep? :rolleyes:

[FlyingJesus]

We'd only lose 25 if they -repped us because of how that's set up (unless that's changed since I last knew) but I agree that countering the "problem" of older users having lots of reputation by giving extra to new members doesn't make any sense

[Inseriousity.]

Just redirect new members to www.habbox.com/comps (http://www.habbox.com/comps) - they'll win rep instead :D

With general management going on about how rep is becoming "worthless" because of too much being given out (although I disagree with that), this looks like a case of do as I say not do as I do :(!

[Martin]

can you increase mine too while you're at it so i can give new members good rep? :rolleyes:

I think Jin would have chose admins for a reason. :P Probably because they can be trusted to use it appropriately and fairly based on rewarding good posts that contribute well to the forum etc. Jin is entitled to do/try out whatever he likes if he thinks it's going to be for a good reason and I'm sure it wasn't just done randomly.

[HotelUser]

Just redirect new members to www.habbox.com/comps (http://www.habbox.com/comps) - they'll win rep instead :D

With general management going on about how rep is becoming "worthless" because of too much being given out (although I disagree with that), this looks like a case of do as I say not do as I do :(!


-Reps everyone in this thread for a laugh but don't worry, it shouldn't be here for much longer either way.

A while back it was changed so administrators could have the rep power they have earned as for most of us this was higher than 15 anyway, I believe Jin changed it to 50 a few days ago to test something so I'm sure he will change it back when he has finished :)

Perhaps you missed the above posts.

[Hecktix]

We'd only lose 25 if they -repped us because of how that's set up (unless that's changed since I last knew) but I agree that countering the "problem" of older users having lots of reputation by giving extra to new members doesn't make any sense

No for some reason the admin setting for rep takes the full whack, or it wouldn't be as bad. I personally disagree with admins having 50 rep points and I think with 6 of us having this rep will increase overall everywhere as I know I like to give rep to all kinds of memebers (not just new ones).

I've recommended to Jin if he wants an admin rep to set it at 25, as this is a fair amount and still above most (which I think were the reasons for the 15 in the first place).

However, this is Jin's forum and if he wants us to have 50 rep, we'll have 50 rep.

[Inseriousity.]

It would appear what we thought Jin was doing was wrong :P


Admin reps have been set to 50 to help bump newer members along. Though you do have your right to feedback we also do have our right to make changes and just because people don't agree with them doesn't mean we will change it. :)


Perhaps you missed the above posts.

So did you by sounds of it. Easy mistake to make I'm sure :)

[HotelUser]

So did you by sounds of it. Easy mistake to make I'm sure :)

Well isn't this a lovely turn of events! Either way the 50 rep isn't that big an issue to me.

[Martin]

No for some reason the admin setting for rep takes the full whack, or it wouldn't be as bad. I personally disagree with admins having 50 rep points and I think with 6 of us having this rep will increase overall everywhere as I know I like to give rep to all kinds of memebers (not just new ones).

I've recommended to Jin if he wants an admin rep to set it at 25, as this is a fair amount and still above most (which I think were the reasons for the 15 in the first place).

However, this is Jin's forum and if he wants us to have 50 rep, we'll have 50 rep.

Mmm I agree, I'm not sure which way this was intended to be used but surely it would be hard to single out who admins are giving rep to etc, since the whole purpose of rep is to award it fairly to people who make contributions and not to go round singling people out just because they're new etc. It will mean everyones will be going up by a very large amount at the same time which kinda defeats the object.

Personally I don't think an admin rep is needed at all. Most admins rep power is higher/high enough anyway and members should be trusted to be able to use the rep system appropriately based on what rep power they have worked their way up to.

I think in some cases this whole thing has been taken a bit out of proportion, it's not a permanent thing by the looks of it, and only affects admins. If the Community AGM can get by on 8 rep power and be happy that It's what I've earnt and use it for the benefit of the community for what it's worth, then I'm sure everyone else could too, but it's not an overly important issue and it's not doing much harm at all. Jin is just trying something by the sounds of it. xD

[Cheryl]

Well isn't this a lovely turn of events! Either way the 50 rep isn't that big an issue to me.

Still the last to admit you're wrong aren't you.

[FlyingJesus]

No for some reason the admin setting for rep takes the full whack, or it wouldn't be as bad. I personally disagree with admins having 50 rep points and I think with 6 of us having this rep will increase overall everywhere as I know I like to give rep to all kinds of memebers (not just new ones).

I've recommended to Jin if he wants an admin rep to set it at 25, as this is a fair amount and still above most (which I think were the reasons for the 15 in the first place).

However, this is Jin's forum and if he wants us to have 50 rep, we'll have 50 rep.

Oh sneaky didn't know it worked differently for admins, and yeah I quite agree with you in that rep was nerfed way back when because there was "too much" of it (which is an odd concept in my view) and whenever a full return to the old system has been suggested we're told that it would alienate new members if some of us had very large rep power, and that this outweighed the idea that with more rep power we could accelerate new member reps, which seems to be the reasoning behind today's change to admin accounts

[HotelUser]

Still the last to admit you're wrong aren't you.

No not really because I was wrong here, however in every single other instance imaginable I am always right :)

[Neversoft]

Admins have had their rep power increased to give newer users a boost? I don't remember ever getting repped by an admin when I joined. Why introduce this now? Everyone with high rep power hasn't just magically gotten it, they've all earnt it over time, something that newer users are just as capable of doing.

[Jin]

I just love how you and management never say the same thing.

You say it is to bump new members along, but some of us earn our rep - so getting 50 taken off us just because management disagree seems slightly harsh - it would take over 10 people to +rep you to get above that again (using an average).

Are we forgetting, new members should not be given pointless rep :l

Why not just give new members bonus rep if you suddenly care about them having rep?

Management only repeated what I said to them days ago which is correct, I was testing something and from that test I have decided to make it stick.

No we are not forgetting "new members should not be given pointless rep", are you forgetting that admins do use the rep system responsibly?

Giving new members "bonus" rep would be the same as giving pointless rep.

At the end of the day we don't -rep for inappropriate reasons, looking at the way rep is used by admins 95% of it is positive.

[Andii]

lol well if this is happening i demand a +rep from mattg and oli ;) or else a high rep for myself :)

[AgnesIO]

Management only repeated what I said to them days ago which is correct, I was testing something and from that test I have decided to make it stick.

No we are not forgetting "new members should not be given pointless rep", are you forgetting that admins do use the rep system responsibly?

Giving new members "bonus" rep would be the same as giving pointless rep.

At the end of the day we don't -rep for inappropriate reasons, looking at the way rep is used by admins 95% of it is positive.

I was merely pointing out, that if a new member posts something positive/contributes I am sure other members will +rep (I always do).

Thanks for thr reply, I am pleased to see you covering what has been said on the top line - as I don't want to argue with anyone - especially even they are simply pasing on what they have been told

[Jin]

Admins have had their rep power increased to give newer users a boost? I don't remember ever getting repped by an admin when I joined. Why introduce this now? Everyone with high rep power hasn't just magically gotten it, they've all earnt it over time, something that newer users are just as capable of doing.

If they haven't magically received high rep does that mean I can go through the top 50 rep holders and remove the pointless rep? This was the reason why I implemented this and it was after I went through certain users reputation, feeling that removing this rep would cause more of an outrage I decided to up the admin rep as I know we don't abuse the system and it will help things overall.

[FlyingJesus]

On the point of admins being oh-so responsible and fair with rep, I of course don't expect them to reward every single good post but I have to go back through 10 pages of rep to find an admin repping me, or 148 entries to be exact. Now yes, plenty of my posts are just SO fantastic that multiple people have repped me for them, but that leaves let's say around 125 apparently repworthy posts which have gone unrewarded, poor me.

That's not to say that I actually expect admins to rep me all the time (although obv I am great), I just don't believe it's plausible to suggest that a higher rep power ought to be bestowed upon them in the name of fair advancement

[AgnesIO]

If they haven't magically received high rep does that mean I can go through the top 50 rep holders and remove the pointless rep?

why not?

[Jin]

why not?

Because the sad story is people will cry in real life.

[AgnesIO]

Because the sad story is people will cry in real life.

People can't have that much pointless rep vsurely? :S

Don't forget to check all those people with 50 rep power ;)

[Jordy]

Management only repeated what I said to them days ago which is correct, I was testing something and from that test I have decided to make it stick.It's interesting though that none of them were saying how great it was they could have 50 Rep Power so they could help out newer members and how they hoped it would be permanent.

50 does seem to be a bit too high to be honest, frankly if I was a new member and I saw that all the people saying Hello to me had a rep power of 50, I'd probably just feel dwarfed by it and give up on rep right there!

I think people are forgetting what "Reputation" really is, essentially how high it is, is your "Reputation" on the forum like it or not. If you go on the "Members List" and then list members by the amount of Reputation they have, the most respected, influential, helpful and people with the all around "best" reputations are towards the top of this list.

If a new member is making a decent post, everyone will rep it as per usual. I don't look at who it is when I rep someone, I just look at the quality of the post and I'm sure everyone else is no different. There's no need for admins reputation to be adjusted to essentially "fake" the reputation of newbies.

[FlyingJesus]

What constitutes a "pointless" rep? The word is reputation, and in the real world a good reputation is gained for social standing just as much as actual activity if not more, so I'd say there really isn't such a thing as pointless reputation - negative or positive.

That aside, I don't think we've been given a legit reasoning for the change anyway. It won't really affect me I'm sure but claiming that it'll help new members and then claiming that admins will only rep responsibly and not give random +reps to people just for being new seems to undermine the community's ability to reward our own peers using the system that we've been using for years. If I see a good post, I'll rep it, no matter who the author is, and I don't see why it's being suggested that only admins are capable of such judgement

[Stephen]

i was thinking 50 was abit high. Makes people like me scared of admins now cos I don't want my rep to be damaged

[Jin]

People can't have that much pointless rep vsurely? :S

Don't forget to check all those people with 50 rep power ;)

Yep, with all those savings from removing pointless rep we can distribute it amongst those people. It can be some sort of rep tax. Thanks for the idea :D.


Oh also a quick example of pointless reps would be a rep back.

[Neversoft]

If they haven't magically received high rep does that mean I can go through the top 50 rep holders and remove the pointless rep? This was the reason why I implemented this and it was after I went through certain users reputation, feeling that removing this rep would cause more of an outrage I decided to up the admin rep as I know we don't abuse the system and it will help things overall.

I am curious as to why you think pointless rep only affects those with the highest rep powers? Those with lots of rep have generally been on the forum at least four or five years and then as you go down the list the join dates become more recent. It's an incredibly average hierarchy really and everything looks as it should. Pointless rep is widespread, it affects the entire forum, not just those with higher reputation, but really is it that big an issue?

[Jin]

Correct! it's not that big of an issue which is why I am not changing the admin rep power so where are we going with this thread :S?

[Neversoft]

You tell me, my original post wasn't even about pointless rep. :P

[Jordy]

Correct! it's not that big of an issue which is why I am not changing the admin rep power so where are we going with this thread :S?It seemed to be a big enough of an issue of you to change it in the first place though...

Feedback would be rather crap place (Although it usually is when you've anything to do with it anyway) if everytime you changed something you turned around and said it's not a big issue.

[GommeInc]

Forget Admins having 50 rep power, it's the fact they can tell that new members want help gaining rep by being "bumped along" that worries me. How on earth did you do a survey on this?

[FlyingJesus]

Just looked through some of my old reps (not all of them obv) and I reckon if all the "rep back" entries were deleted I'd only lose maybe a couple of hundred rep points, jus' sayin'

Also I again state that we haven't had any logical reasoning for this change. If you simply say "because I want more rep power" then fine that's your choice as the owner and I'll accept that far more happily than a half-excuse about helping new members whilst somehow not showing them favouritism

[Chippiewill]

I think it's because you don't do full negative rep damage so Jin is compensating by using 50 rep instead of 25.