PM says 'Multiculturalism has Failed'

[AgnesIO]

David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech as prime minister on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism.

At a security conference in Germany, he argued the UK needed a stronger national identity to prevent people turning to all kinds of extremism.

He also signalled a tougher stance on groups promoting Islamist extremism.

The Muslim Council of Britain said its community was being seen as part of the problem rather than the solution.

Mr Cameron suggested there would be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups which get public money but do little to tackle extremism.

Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued.

"Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism," the prime minister said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994

He has also stated, that adults who work with children should not have to be CRB checked unless they are in 'extreme close contact with children'. Does this mean that, actually, the millions of people done for things with children should actually just be ignored?

[Conservative,]

I agree with what he said in the quote. We need to be A LOT tougher on Muslim extremism. The fact that private Muslim institutions are given public money and promise to use some of it to "tackle extremism" then do **** all is ridiculous. If anything, it's the Muslim institutions that should do the most - because surely Muslim extremism is making them look bad?

And what he said on CRBs...well I disagree, all people working with Children (relatively closely...like teachers, nursery workers, people who run after school clubs and whatnot etc.) should be checked,

but my Mum does several things (Music teaching, Ski Teaching & more) and she has to get a CRB for EVERY single one. It's ridiculous. They should simplify the system - not in the way proposed - but that you only ever need 1 CRB at a time (and then renew it every year or whatever). Because I know my mum has one for EVERY school she teaches at, ski teaching and scouts...that's about 9. It's stupid.

[Catzsy]

Well he doesn't actually say it has 'failed' - that's what the daily mail say. In principle I agree with what he is saying as it is the normal muslim community that is being targeted with the 'same brush' as the extremists which is not fair and equitable.

[myke]

I've been watching twitter and a lot of people think he's just fueled the fire in Luton more now, and he's being criticised for picking the worst day to talk about it. The day of a huge protest. lol.

[dbgtz]

Wait... we give muslim groups money? As bad as this might sound, they don't actually have to be here so why the hell do we give them money in the first place? That saying churches and that probably get money and shouldn't. Stop giving them money and tackle it yourselves, that sounds much more smart.

[Technologic]

Treating Muslim people as the problem and not the solution to the problem is just going to make things a whole lot worse

[AgnesIO]

Wait... we give muslim groups money? As bad as this might sound, they don't actually have to be here so why the hell do we give them money in the first place? That saying churches and that probably get money and shouldn't. Stop giving them money and tackle it yourselves, that sounds much more smart.

What an ignorant post.

You are making the assumption that all muslims chose to come to this country themselves (or are foreign in the first place..)

[dbgtz]

What an ignorant post.

You are making the assumption that all muslims chose to come to this country themselves (or are foreign in the first place..)

What? The fact were in debt and were giving money to religions? I'm not targetting just muslims (unless muslims are the only one getting the money, which I highly doubt). All I'm saying is they shouldn't get money for their personal choice.

[Ajthedragon]

In all fairness multiculturalism has failed. If we all got along we wouldn't have had 7/7. Different cultures tend to have different beliefs, which conflict and cause arguments, thus the system never works.

[Jordy]

Treating Muslim people as the problem and not the solution to the problem is just going to make things a whole lot worseWhat's the problem then? Extremist Muslim's are most definitely the problem, I don't see any other way of putting it.

I must say I totally agree with David Cameron on the issue, it's Muslim groups turning a blind eye to extremism/terrorism and being allowed to promote themselves in Universities and Prisons which are the problem, they should not be given the stage or money to do so. So many of the Muslim terrorists have been picked out from Universities by Muslim Groups such as the Christmas Day Bomber.


In the speech, Mr Cameron drew a clear distinction between Islam the religion and what he described as "Islamist extremism" - a political ideology he said attracted people who feel "rootless" within their own countries.

"We need to be clear: Islamist extremism and Islam are not the same thing," he said.Unsurprisingly though the Muslim Groups are being ridiculous about it and seem to think Cameron's just picking on all Muslim's when that's far from the case.


He has also stated, that adults who work with children should not have to be CRB checked unless they are in 'extreme close contact with children'. Does this mean that, actually, the millions of people done for things with children should actually just be ignored?No it doesn't say that at all, CRB checks will still be going on for people coming into lots of contact with children and rightly so, the most vulnerable people need protecting but Labour went ridiculously over the top with this. To the extent that parents aren't allowed into their own children's playground unless they've been vetted. That's not healthy at all and frankly it's common sense to get rid of this.

For instance authors going into school have to be vetted costing £64 just to be able to talk about their books to students despite the fact they won't even be left alone with them;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8153251.stm

[Agnostic Bear]

This is excellent news, may more of this common sense flow from the Government.

[-:Undertaker:-]

It is a fact that many muslims simply refuse to integrate, mainly because thanks to the immigration of the last government and continued with this government which has been uncontrolled; the problem being a swamp/ghettoisation. I do not think it is exactly a religious issue to do with Islam, a cultural issue is the problem and those people are the problem and not the British people whom have been here for many generations along with the already-integrated families from past immigration waves which are far smaller than this present one.

The child checks, I agree with him - I do not think we should have to check everyone who works with children, indeed if we locked people who are known abusers up in the first place and kept them locked up then the problem would be largely eradicated. But of course it comes back to the usual tone of the left which treats crime as a disease and not an action by a fully-responsible adult which needs punishing in a proper manner (a long spell in prison, with prison not a nice place to be).

Sadly though this I feel is just more spin from David Cameron; I can't see the immigration/ghettoisation problem being tackled (as they can't with European immigration anyway, as that is down to the EU) nor can I see government regulation and red tape regarding childcare being cut down upon - nor can I see the justice system being sorted out with the left-wing Ken Clarke incharge of justice & prison policy. Both Cameron and Clarke see crime as a disease and will continue to treat it as so.

All sounds good with rhetoric like this, but remember Gordon Brown with 'British jobs for British workers'?