Do you believe what this guy says?

[Richie]

If not, why?

Some may find it offensive


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cLxQ4B23_g&feature=player_embedded#at=320

I have black friends, Asian friends and Muslim friends. I agree with some of the points he makes but obviously not all of them. Fair play to this guy for speaking his mind.


Discussion.


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Negro is describing a race it's not racism.

[Nemo]

THat is possibly the most stupid video ever.

First he says he isnt racist, then goes onto talk about deporting all muslims and blacks. WHAT? Talk about generalisations and hypocrisy much? Then says "45% of the government jobs etc. are taken by blacks, and we wonder why it doesnt work", yes thats bloody racist. And doesnt want black people to vote.

This guy is an idiot and just generalises by race, he says that the black people are only voting by race, yet he is discriminating and generalising through race. Complete idiot and should be ignored.

Please richie, tell me what you agree with in the middle of all that crap? Besides the deportation of illegal immigrants which i believe everyone is against anyway.

[Richie]

I believe those wasting governments money claiming benefits sitting on their asses should be deported. Don't get me wrong, this is going to sound really racist but that persons home government should be supporting them not Irish government for example. Hey, if we could ship all the lazy Irish *******s somewhere with reason, I would too but I still feel an Irish citizen is entitled to their home governments money more than a foreigner. It annoys me how foreigners who live in Dublin scab off our government, they actually get more support than Irish citizens. My mother is a widow and doesn't work (within reason), she has been for the last 6 years, trying to support a family through benefits and there is people she knows who are non-irish citizens who get their, rent, esb and get additional funds for food. They have fancy cars and fancy homes. There is no other reasoning behind it. My mother has discussed it with her foreign friends and they admitted to receiving a large sum of money from the government every week which they don't entirely need.

[matt$]

Why can't people like this just **** and get along with everyone else or keep their opinions to themselves cause it's happened now so deal with it.

[Nemo]

I believe those wasting governments money claiming benefits sitting on their asses should be deported. Don't get me wrong, this is going to sound really racist but that persons home government should be supporting them not Irish government for example. Hey, if we could ship all the lazy Irish *******s somewhere with reason, I would too but I still feel an Irish citizen is entitled to their home governments money more than a foreigner. It annoys me how foreigners who live in Dublin scab off our government, they actually get more support than Irish citizens. My mother is a widow and doesn't work (within reason), she has been for the last 6 years, trying to support a family through benefits and there is people she knows who are non-irish citizens who get their, rent, esb and get additional funds for food. They have fancy cars and fancy homes. There is no other reasoning behind it. My mother has discussed it with her foreign friends and they admitted to receiving a large sum of money from the government every week which they don't entirely need.I always find that arguement rather silly if im honest. Many of those who you consider foreigners, are actually born in, your case, Ireland and are just as much 'Irish' as you are. There is no way to determine who is foreign other than that, unless you look at one's heritage. But then where do you stop? Because eventually you're just gonna end up at Africa, not to mention the extra effort required to look at EVERYONE's family tree.

As well as this 'extra money' stuff, i really am confused by. My family too is on benefits, and i dont see where they would be getting all these fancy cars and such from. My mum is on disability aswell as normal benefits and only because of the disability is she able to afford extras (such as petrol, (my nan bought us our car)). And even then we still have to borrow money. It is in no way an 'easy' life as everyone assumes where you can just sit on ur ass and get free money. The free money you do get it is not a great deal (atleast in England), and your quality of life is far lower than someone who does have a job. Sure you can say they get it for free, but as i said your quality of life is so much lower that most people would probably want a job if they enjoyed it.

Saying i do believe that my family is probably going to give back in the long run unlike a lot of families on benefits, purely because we're likely to get good jobs (sister gots to oxford bragbragbragbrag).

[Richie]

I always find that arguement rather silly if im honest. Many of those who you consider foreigners, are actually born in, your case, Ireland and are just as much 'Irish' as you are. There is no way to determine who is foreign other than that, unless you look at one's heritage. But then where do you stop? Because eventually you're just gonna end up at Africa, not to mention the extra effort required to look at EVERYONE's family tree.

As well as this 'extra money' stuff, i really am confused by. My family too is on benefits, and i dont see where they would be getting all these fancy cars and such from. My mum is on disability aswell as normal benefits and only because of the disability is she able to afford extras (such as petrol, (my nan bought us our car)). And even then we still have to borrow money. It is in no way an 'easy' life as everyone assumes where you can just sit on ur ass and get free money. The free money you do get it is not a great deal (atleast in England), and your quality of life is far lower than someone who does have a job. Sure you can say they get it for free, but as i said your quality of life is so much lower that most people would probably want a job if they enjoyed it.

Saying i do believe that my family is probably going to give back in the long run unlike a lot of families on benefits, purely because we're likely to get good jobs (sister gots to oxford bragbragbragbrag).

Your mother gets benefits as well as disability allowance? My Mam apparently isn't entitled to a disability allowance, even though she has got a disability. I know this is going off topic but I don't get the government sometimes. My friend who is deaf gets disability allowance because he is deaf (19) yet my mother doesn't and he can allot clearer than her. Yes both of my parents are/were deaf and we never received any fees for disability's.

[Nemo]

Your mother gets benefits as well as disability allowance? My Mam apparently isn't entitled to a disability allowance, even though she has got a disability. I know this is going off topic but I don't get the government sometimes. My friend who is deaf gets disability allowance because he is deaf (19) yet my mother doesn't and he can allot clearer than her. Yes both of my parents are/were deaf and we never received any fees for disability's.
Need to pressure your GP then

[Eoin247]

I agree to an extent that political correctness does go too far in some cases.

For example. There used to be a black guy in my year that did some really messed up things. As well as that he would blatantly insult and disgrace other people publically. He would grief people about every little imperfection they might have and he would make up horrible rumours about people.

Yet people tolerated him. Why was that? People were afraid to say anything to him since he was one of only two black people in the school.

Also this thing about sex equality in the EU and now in Ireland doesn't sit right with me. The best people for the job should get the job , whether that be male or female. It shouldn't be getting more of one sex in just to make it 50-50.

[Nemo]

I agree to an extent that political correctness does go too far in some cases.

For example. There used to be a black guy in my year that did some really messed up things. As well as that he would blatantly insult and disgrace other people publically. He would grief people about every little imperfection they might have and he would make up horrible rumours about people.

Yet people tolerated him. Why was that? People were afraid to say anything to him since he was one of only two black people in the school.

Also this thing about sex equality in the EU and now in Ireland doesn't sit right with me. The best people for the job should get the job , whether that be male or female. It shouldn't be getting more of one sex in just to make it 50-50.
I think thats really picking up on something that isnt there. Is he doing that because hes black? No. Were people scared of him because he was black? No. They were scared of him because he was a thug and you're just, for some reason , correlating that with his colour. There was a >>>WHITE<<<< guy who lived opposite me for most of my childhood. He had a random hatred for my family and did whatever he could to annoy/harm/harrass us. That included giving me some pretty large bruises, paintballing our car, throwing stones at us etc. Was that because he was white? No. I never made that correlation because im not stupid. I put it down to him being brought up badly and being a thug. We dealt with him like we deal with all thugs, called the police and eventually he stopped (and now moved).

Whats with people generalising so much these days, it's as if crappy propeganda like that terrible video in the OP is actually getting to some people.

[Eoin247]

I think thats really picking up on something that isnt there. Is he doing that because hes black? No. Were people scared of him because he was black? No. They were scared of him because he was a thug and you're just, for some reason , correlating that with his colour. There was a >>>WHITE<<<< guy who lived opposite me for most of my childhood. He had a random hatred for my family and did whatever he could to annoy/harm/harrass us. That included giving me some pretty large bruises, paintballing our car, throwing stones at us etc. Was that because he was white? No. I never made that correlation because im not stupid. I put it down to him being brought up badly and being a thug. We dealt with him like we deal with all thugs, called the police and eventually he stopped (and now moved).

Whats with people generalising so much these days, it's as if crappy propeganda like that terrible video in the OP is actually getting to some people.

I don't think you read my post properly because you completely misunderstood me. I said "People were afraid to say anything to him since he was one of only two black people in the school". This was my point. I didn't say he was how he was because of his skin colour >>>ANYWHERE<<< in my post.

[Oleh]

Nemo from what i saw in eoin's post he was merely stating that because of his colour, People we're afraid to complain as he would claim it racist.

That is generally what happens. Other races can spread hate as much as they like, once anything from a white person gets said. Bam.. the race card is pulled.

I couldn't care less about mixed race. all i care about is equality which when you put it into what eoin said, isn't there as the race card was one of the options in context

EDIT: Damn, started writing this before eoin posted his reply, had to try to make it sound non-racist

[Inseriousity.]

Hmm I agree with fighting politicial correctness. It does get too ridiculous sometimes. I do agree with deporting illegals... and yeah that's pretty much it. Before I move onto how ignorant and uneducated he is, which is ironic when you consider that he kept talking about educating voters, I noticed the 'TEAHAD' he talks about was last year. Any idea how popular these were?

45% of city, state, federal jobs are given to black people and this is why the government doesn't work. So the whole government doesn't work because of 45%. Governments "don't work" - how do you measure that anyway? economic performance? morale of country? highest education pass rate? - because of various things, so it's ridiculous to assume that its all the blacks' fault.

"Are we racist because we [oppose devout Muslims as head of security] do not want to kill babies, love Christmas or want God in our lives?" - How uneducated is this. Firstly, murder is wrong in pretty much every religion, Jesus is a prophet (not the Son of God as Christians but a prophet who they respect and admire) and Allah is just another word for God, who generally have the same characteristics. To assume that Muslims want to kill babies, hate Christmas and don't want God in anyone's lives is ridiculous and making sweeping generalisations.

We all have prejudices. I imagine everyone gets on a plane and looks around to see if there are any suspicious black people on board. This is what people like this guy feeds on: prejudices. It is not racist to want an immigration debate, it is not racist to call people blacks as a descriptive term but it is racist to generalise ALL muslims as extremists, ALL blacks as failures etc.

[Richie]

Niamh maybe Eoin means if they stood up to him they might get called a racist. I dunno.

[FlyingJesus]

Whats with people generalising so much these days

As opposed to the ancient Greeks who believed anyone not born in Greece to be uncultured savages, the Romans who used foreign slaves for sporting and sexual entertainment believing it to be all they were good for, the Crusade-era Europeans who demonised all people with dark skin and thought they were actual devils, the colonists who bought and sold entire countries whilst again thinking their occupants to be good for nothing but slaves and concubines... and so on

Racism isn't new, generalisations aren't new, discrimination isn't new. If we were all the same colour and had the same physiques we'd get bored and start picking on each other for other things like accents (lol Northerners) or back to basics for being from a different area. Humans are a tribal species, not a metropolitan "one-world" type

[Richie]

Whilst on the topic of racism, another thing that really annoys me is black people saying ****** but when we say it we are racist. How does that make any sense? That's like a thin person saying to a fat person "You fat idiot" but if a fat person says it to another fat person it is not an insult. I think not.

[Nemo]

I don't think you read my post properly because you completely misunderstood me. I said "People were afraid to say anything to him since he was one of only two black people in the school". This was my point. I didn't say he was how he was because of his skin colour >>>ANYWHERE<<< in my post.
Oh ok my bad, i still find that silly though. Just get some balls (buy em off me if ya want :P) and just get it dealt with. I dont see why people always find ways to make things more complicated than they need to be?

[Eoin247]

Nemo from what i saw in eoin's post he was merely stating that because of his colour, People we're afraid to complain as he would claim it racist.

That is generally what happens. Other races can spread hate as much as they like, once anything from a white person gets said. Bam.. the race card is pulled.

I couldn't care less about mixed race. all i care about is equality which when you put it into what eoin said, isn't there as the race card was one of the options in context

EDIT: Damn, started writing this before eoin posted his reply, had to try to make it sound non-racist


Niamh maybe Eoin means if they stood up to him they might get called a racist. I dunno.

Yep, that's what i meant.


Whilst on the topic of racism, another thing that really annoys me is black people saying ****** but when we say it we are racist. How does that make any sense? That's like a thin person saying to a fat person "You fat idiot" but if a fat person says it to another fat person it is not an insult. I think not.

This is also true. I also never heard anybody criticising people who say "white trash". I suppose people in America may be more familiar with this than we are.


Oh ok my bad, i still find that silly though. Just get some balls (buy em off me if ya want :P) and just get it dealt with. I dont see why people always find ways to make things more complicated than they need to be?

Well, to answer that i'll refer to your previous post. Look at what you wrote once i mentioned he was black. Even though i didn't criticise anything to do with his skin colour at all you essentially called me a racist without using the word.

This is exactly what people are afraid of in real life situations. People don't want to be branded a racist after being told constantly throughout their school years that racists are evil, horrible etc.

[AgnesIO]

Whoever shoots that **** gets a medal from me.