Opt in/Opt out swear filter

[RockyHorror]

An opt in/opt out swear filter whereby an individual user has the control to decided whether profanity is displayed on the forum would be a good idea.

It will create a more relaxed environment as currently a few people are seemingly getting annoyed by how the forum is managed in such a politically correct way.

[Aidenn]

No, just no is my opinion on this

Habboxforum has a younger audience and if we made it so only 16+ can change the filter options, people can easily lie about their age.

[GommeInc]

We don't need one. People do not need to say any of the big words in the filter, and there isn't a cry for it either. There are obviously harmless words that need to be removed, but that's another debate entirely. Being able to swear and the "political" way the forum is run are two completely different things, and the word filter isn't effecting the apparent behaviour of the management team.

[FlyingJesus]

Can we have a filter on threads about the filter so we don't have to repeat ourselves every 3 weeks

[RockyHorror]

No, just no is my opinion on this

Habboxforum has a younger audience and if we made it so only 16+ can change the filter options, people can easily lie about their age.


This is a Habbo fansite, Habbo found it appropriate to add this function and it works, completely kills that argument.

[Aidenn]

This is a Habbo fansite, Habbo found it appropriate to add this function and it works, completely kills that argument.
We arent Habbo,

We generally have management who are trying to avoid parents complaining due to their kids learning new 'words'.

Plus yes i understand swearing can be used in general sentances, but more importantly it can be used to target users, i can guarantee if the filter ever becauses opt in/out, it will be enforced again within a week, tops.

[FlyingJesus]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=688379

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=631981

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=648978

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=503910

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=370867 (lol by rebel Oli)

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=176629

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=385074

[Nicola]

This has been brought up quite a few times in feedback and the answer is still no. I'm just going to pretty much repeat myself from previous threads.

Having the words starred out looks so much nicer than seeing swear words everywhere, it isn't hard to tell what the words are when they are starred out anyway because of the context they are used in. I don't see why you feel the need to see such words posted all over the fourm, it looks unprofessional, ugly and I personally think it would give the forum a bad name as we have a lot of younger members on the forum and we'd be introducing them to such vile words that they shouldn't know at that age.

It's not as if we're being unreasonable about the filter, it is a lot less strict than it used to be seeing as we've unfiltered abbreviations such as "fml" and "wtf" etc.

The filter hasn't been a problem for years, and it isn't a problem now.

Jin made this post here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=688379&p=7003243#post7003243) which gives you another few reasons as to why it's not a good idea.

[RockyHorror]

We arent Habbo,

We generally have management who are trying to avoid parents complaining due to their kids learning new 'words'.

Plus yes i understand swearing can be used in general sentances, but more importantly it can be used to target users, i can guarantee if the filter ever becauses opt in/out, it will be enforced again within a week, tops.

There is no basis for complaint, it's user discretion, Habbox would have no responsibility over what a user chooses to do.

[Aidenn]

This has been brought up quite a few times in feedback and the answer is still no. I'm just going to pretty much repeat myself from previous threads.

Having the words starred out looks so much nicer than seeing swear words everywhere, it isn't hard to tell what the words are when they are starred out anyway because of the context they are used in. I don't see why you feel the need to see such words posted all over the fourm, it looks unprofessional, ugly and I personally think it would give the forum a bad name as we have a lot of younger members on the forum and we'd be introducing them to such vile words that they shouldn't know at that age.

It's not as if we're being unreasonable about the filter, it is a lot less strict than it used to be seeing as we've unfiltered abbreviations such as "fml" and "wtf" etc.

The filter hasn't been a problem for years, and it isn't a problem now.

Jin made this post here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=688379&p=7003243#post7003243) which gives you another few reasons as to why it's not a good idea.


There is no basis for complaint, it's user discretion, Habbox would have no responsibility over what a user chooses to do.
Read the above quote for your answer.

Plus feel free to list ANY (IF AT ALL) Positive arguments that can't be argued.
If theres enough maybe it will be considered.

[Recursion]

There is no basis for complaint, it's user discretion, Habbox would have no responsibility over what a user chooses to do.

Habbox is a dictatorship, always has been, hence why user posting and registrations have declined massively in the last year or two and only a few months ago were they trying to drive more users to the site. You can pretty much guarantee any half sensible suggestions (such as this one) are going to be ignored.

Personally, I don't see how the forum would be made to look ugly or unprofessional, obviously the default setting would be to leave the filter on, but then give users the choice in their UserCP wether to turn it off or not, much like Habbo have done, who must have put a **** ton more thought into this filter issue than Habbox ever has.

But alas, Habbox staff think they're right all the time and refuse to listen.

[Hecktix]

Can we have a filter on threads about the filter so we don't have to repeat ourselves every 3 weeks

I probably could filter {Optional Language Filter} but I feel that may be a little Nazi-ish, but it would make our lives a lot less stressful, if I had a pound everytime this thread came up Habbox's donations would soar.

I'm not going to contribute to the discsussion, there's several threads up there that explain my view (my view as General Manager anyway, not as a hx rebel as Tom pointed out ;)).

[Recursion]

I probably could filter {Optional Language Filter} but I feel that may be a little Nazi-ish, but it would make our lives a lot less stressful, if I had a pound everytime this thread came up Habbox's donations would soar.


If these threads stress you, you should not be GM.

[Hecktix]

If these threads stress you, you should not be GM.

There's a thread on this issue every few weeks, it's a joke and unnecessary. There are much more important things that my staff and I can do for Habbox than repeating ourselves in this topic every month or so. If anyone has any suggestions that haven't come up a million times before, I'll put all my time into replying but once you've replied to these with an answer 10 times, it really does get sickening.

[Recursion]

There's a thread on this issue every few weeks, it's a joke and unnecessary.

Well it obviously isn't and if there's a thread about it every few weeks it's obviously a wanted feature.

[cocaine]

there's not even any point in asking, habbox for years now has gone about its way with 'habbo doesn't allow it so we won't' yet when they perhaps feel that as a result of something habbo does (in this case, remove the filter) it may result in more work for themselves (perhaps by more heavy moderating), it somehow 'doesn't become appropriate'. you name me any 11 year olds that don't know any swearwords, i'll give you a tenner.

[Hecktix]

Well it obviously isn't and if there's a thread about it every few weeks it's obviously a wanted feature.

It's a feature wanted by a few people who feel the need to swear in every post, Habbox does not accept everything members suggest and we have good reasons for doing this.

I will repeat myself once here, those saying "Habbo turn their filter off" - they don't have an option to turn the filter off on their instant messaing, minimail or their forums and I believe this is for the same reason we don't.

[Red]

I'm always in favour of a filter. I'm not young but I don't particularly wanna have to look at a load of swearing. I've only been here a few days though and can tell it's abit ott, with words filtered that arn't even swears.

[Nicola]

I'm always in favour of a filter. I'm not young but I don't particularly wanna have to look at a load of swearing. I've only been here a few days though and can tell it's abit ott, with words filtered that arn't even swears.

What kind of words are you referring to here?

Welcome to the forum btw :)

[Red]

'*****r' and thanks =]

LMAO OH it isn't *****r you filtered but it blocks it out anyway. still other forums don't have it blocked.

[Hecktix]

'*****r' and thanks =]

LMAO OH it isn't *****r you filtered but it blocks it out anyway. still other forums don't have it blocked.

Obviously we can't tell what you mean as it's filtered, feel free to add a "." to break it up so we can see what you mean :)

[Red]

ming.er

you can see why its filtered though but isn't there a way to stop other words being blocked that have a filtered word in it?

[Richie]

Edit nvm

I'd like a filter but I wouldn't at the same time, it'd be good in a sense of anger and yes you could argue one would be wiser to use proper english. At the same time I still feel swearing shows true anger. For example if you banged your arm in reality your first reaction wouldn't be "oh that table is naughty" it would most likely be "ahh this fuc'king thing". So yeah maybe we all are childish in reality but to me it shows people are real. Obviously you'd get the odd idiot that would say "I'm so fuc'king bored, what are you di'cks up to" at the end of the day punish those who need to be punished.

[FlyingJesus]

Habbox is a dictatorship, always has been, hence why user posting and registrations have declined massively in the last year or two

Nice logic


Personally, I don't see how the forum would be made to look ugly or unprofessional, obviously the default setting would be to leave the filter on, but then give users the choice in their UserCP wether to turn it off or not, much like Habbo have done, who must have put a **** ton more thought into this filter issue than Habbox ever has.

But alas, Habbox staff think they're right all the time and refuse to listen.

As has been said hundreds of times across these stupid threads, having a filter as optional is basically the same as removing it. Who's going to choose to have it on and therefore miss half of the conversation (as kids love to swear to show how adult they are) if there's the option not to? Saying that the default is to have it on and that makes it ok is like saying we're born naked so most people will choose to stay that way


Well it obviously isn't and if there's a thread about it every few weeks it's obviously a wanted feature.

I want a feature that gives us money whenever we want it, and I'm sure other people would agree with such an addition, but that doesn't make it a good idea for the forum

[Hecktix]

ming.er

you can see why its filtered though but isn't there a way to stop other words being blocked that have a filtered word in it?


Edit nvm

Interesting :P This shouldn't be filtered no and what it will be is that the word without the r isn't filtered correctly, I'll change this later and it should allow for *****r to be posted.

[Nicola]

ming.er

you can see why its filtered though but isn't there a way to stop other words being blocked that have a filtered word in it?


Interesting :P This shouldn't be filtered no and what it will be is that the word without the r isn't filtered correctly, I'll change this later and it should allow for *****r to be posted.

I am assuming thats quite an old filtered word or filtered the wrong way as Oli said. It may be a good idea for us to have a look through all the filtered words at some point and see if there are any in there that don't need to be filtered anymore.

[GommeInc]

We arent Habbo,

We generally have management who are trying to avoid parents complaining due to their kids learning new 'words'.

Plus yes i understand swearing can be used in general sentances, but more importantly it can be used to target users, i can guarantee if the filter ever becauses opt in/out, it will be enforced again within a week, tops.
The bit in bold is a poor excuse to be honest :P Habbox Forum simply do not want an optional word filter because there is no need for one and the word filter keeps discussions looking clean. No one needs to say the big words, or see them. Seeing asterixes is perfectly fine.


I am assuming thats quite an old filtered word or filtered the wrong way as Oli said. It may be a good idea for us to have a look through all the filtered words at some point and see if there are any in there that don't need to be filtered anymore.
I KNOW ONE :D :D

[Recursion]

Nice logic

As has been said hundreds of times across these stupid threads, having a filter as optional is basically the same as removing it. Who's going to choose to have it on and therefore miss half of the conversation (as kids love to swear to show how adult they are) if there's the option not to? Saying that the default is to have it on and that makes it ok is like saying we're born naked so most people will choose to stay that way

I want a feature that gives us money whenever we want it, and I'm sure other people would agree with such an addition, but that doesn't make it a good idea for the forum

1. I was referring to the stated statistics declining over the past few years, and the fact it has always been a dictatorship, I didn't mean to word it in such a way as to link them.

2. Ok, so people decide to have it on, that's fine, guests can view the forum with it on to make it look clean and professional and if every user decides to turn the filter off then so be it, there's no issue with it, but you could limit the amount of guest filtered words in posts to two or three so there wouldn't be any over use of said swear words.

3. That's a stupidly extreme and unrealistic example, whereas this one is more realistic and wouldn't do any harm what-so-ever.

[FlyingJesus]

Ryan did you put fom back in your sig recently or has it been there ever since 2009 or whatever lol noob forever

Petition to turn ALL filtered words into "Jin" that would be so much better than *s


wouldn't do any harm what-so-ever.

What good are you suggesting having swearing allowed might do?

[Recursion]

Petition to turn ALL filtered words into "Jin" that would be so much better than *s


Agreed LOL.



What good are you suggesting having swearing allowed might do?


I'm not saying it would be good, I'm opposed to swearing in 'real life' speech, I'm saying what harm can it do? It's an internet forum, it's meant to be a more relaxed place and as I see it, it's still a fansite of a children's game, Habbo, who also deem it necessary to provide a 'disable filter' option.

But hey, if all the *asterisks* were changed to "Jin" so **** would become JinJinJinJin, I'd be completely up for the filter ;)

[FlyingJesus]

Lett everyone know you're off for a steaming Jin or telling Niamh that I'm totally gonna Jin his sister would be amazing let's face it

[nvrspk4]

Reposting this: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=688379&p=7005601#post7005601

Also, you've given me a great idea for Feedback!

[RockyHorror]

The argument of 'it will encourage swearing' is extremely weak and is used by people desperate to find a reason against, obviously there will be cases whereby overly excessive use of swearing would be used, but if someone was that determined to swear, they'd avoid the filter.

And I laugh at the use of terms like 'professional' I think as a whole, most of management are having delusions of grandeur, this is a Habbo fansite and a discussion forum, not a business.

[RyRy]

Heres an idea, for solving both Moderation and whatnot.

You put a icon on their userbar besides where the report and rep is, which denotes whether theyve turned the filter on or off. Then people who swear won't get told off. simples.

[FlyingJesus]

brb looking for a post where someone's actually stated a possible positive of having the filter off

[Richie]

The argument of 'it will encourage swearing' is extremely weak and is used by people desperate to find a reason against, obviously there will be cases whereby overly excessive use of swearing would be used, but if someone was that determined to swear, they'd avoid the filter.

And I laugh at the use of terms like 'professional' I think as a whole, most of management are having delusions of grandeur, this is a Habbo fansite and a discussion forum, not a business.

That argument fails though because management swear all the time on habbo, so what if it stays there for 20 seconds, they still swear and lol at those saying it's childish and you should use proper English words to express your feelings. Those are basically calling habbox management childish and a few members of management have said it so they really need to stop contradicting themselves.

Oh and I'm probably 70% with people agreeing they don't want it but I still make a valid point.

P.s
My point refers to older threads relating to the same topic also.

[nvrspk4]

The argument of 'it will encourage swearing' is extremely weak and is used by people desperate to find a reason against, obviously there will be cases whereby overly excessive use of swearing would be used, but if someone was that determined to swear, they'd avoid the filter.

And I laugh at the use of terms like 'professional' I think as a whole, most of management are having delusions of grandeur, this is a Habbo fansite and a discussion forum, not a business.

I disagree entirely. Avoiding the filter carries a penalty, therefore there is a disincentive to do it. If they choose to swear anyway, but want to do so within the rules, they get their word replaced by asterisks, and so my point in that post holds. If, however, swearing is allowed and is not stopped by the rules, there will be more swearing. Even if it is opt-in/opt-out, those who opt-in will swear quite a bit (I will admit I swear in normal conversation, on a college campus, so I would do so), and those who opt-out will have ****** everywhere. That's simple logic.

[AgnesIO]

Don't do this or we will start getting; 'i went to the ******* **** todai and i ******* ****** a ******' - making it virtually unreadable to anyone with the filter turned on.
People don't swear enough to make it worthwhile.

[GommeInc]

Don't do this or we will start getting; 'i went to the ******* **** todai and i ******* ****** a ******' - making it virtually unreadable to anyone with the filter turned on.
People don't swear enough to make it worthwhile.
Exactly. There isn't a need for it.

[AgnesIO]

Exactly. There isn't a need for it.

Totally agreed. As far as I am concerned, if people think not being able to swear without showing stars is unfair or anything, they can leave - they would clearly be no loss to Habbox. Even a lot of adult forums have filters a lot of the time - and as I say, all putting a removable filter option on the user CP would do, is increase the amount of posts which I cannot understand.

Imagine hairpins.. just without any letters - just stars.

[Mikey]

In my opinion there should be an option for turning it off or on but if swearing is used to offend or upset other users then they can get an infraction etc, but if it's not towards anyone then ye?

[AgnesIO]

In my opinion there should be an option for turning it off or on but if swearing is used to offend or upset other users then they can get an infraction etc, but if it's not towards anyone then ye?

How much would your life improve if you could see unnecessary language?

[Mikey]

How much would your life improve if you could see unnecessary language?

Not much haha! But in some cases it has to be used.

I can understand the reason of why management don't want to implement it because of younger users but I can also the the other side of the argument with the older users. But for the sake of the younger users of the community I suppose the filter should be kept the way it is.

edit: changed a word lmfao, didn't word it right

[GommeInc]

Not much haha! But in some cases it has to be used.
Then just swear, people get the point when it comes up as asterixes. Just don't avoid as it's useless and quite naughty :P

[cocaine]

just a question, do people cry when they hear swearing in real life?

[GommeInc]

just a question, do people cry when they hear swearing in real life?
No, but I'd rather have a discussion with someone using words that mean something that words (like many swear words) that have been skewered by the pointless and meaningless stick that the words lose all meaning and validity :P

[AgnesIO]

just a question, do people cry when they hear swearing in real life?

No, but when people continually swear (like the oh so mature people on here would do, I get the impression that they are not very intelligent chavs.

[Inseriousity.]

The idea that people will start swearing more, I find unlikely. Sure, at first, for a couple of days, there'll be more swearing but once the novelty wears off, it'd go back to normal imo.

Despite that, the filter here isn't really as stupid as Habbo's was. Habbo used to filter 'as soon as' cos of the ass, for example and it was really frustrating and hard to read things. That isn't the case here.

[Catzsy]

just a question, do people cry when they hear swearing in real life?

No, but I challenge you to find any in any mainstream television channel before the water shed
or any media, newspaper etc etc etc. They filter too. It is the responsible thing to do as far as I am concerned. Even films are classified with ages limits. That's the way of the world - end of , really. I can hardly see a habbo fansite becoming part of the alternative media. Also I have not heard one sensible suggestion in favour of it. What positive attrubutes to the forum would it bring?

[Recursion]

No, but I challenge you to find any in any mainstream television channel before the water shed
or any media, newspaper etc etc etc. They filter too. It is the responsible thing to do as far as I am concerned. Even films are classified with ages limits. That's the way of the world - end of , really. I can hardly see a habbo fansite becoming part of the alternative media. Also I have not heard one sensible suggestion in favour of it. What positive attrubutes to the forum would it bring?

Various newspapers do not filter, and OFCOM impose restrictions to safeguard children from swearing for the watershed, I dare say there would be swearing if it wasn't for OFCOM's restrictions. That is a totally different situation using totally different media.

[RockyHorror]

Also I have not heard one sensible suggestion in favour of it. What positive attrubutes to the forum would it bring?

Treating members more maturely by allowing them to choose whether they be privy to supposed offensive language and not implementing a 'nanny state' is one step to allow more mature users feel like they are welcome on the forum.

You can sit there telling me this is primely a forum for younger people, but at that point you're putting a shelf life on the website. If Habbo shuts down tomorrow, this website won't survive much longer afterwards because management is insistent on getting a populace of younger users at the expense of more mature users who wouldn't post after the Habbo section became redundent.

[AgnesIO]

Various newspapers do not filter, and OFCOM impose restrictions to safeguard children from swearing for the watershed, I dare say there would be swearing if it wasn't for OFCOM's restrictions. That is a totally different situation using totally different media.

Whereas, various newspapers do filter.

[RockyHorror]

I find it ridiculous your bringing newspapers/TV into this, there is no way to filter language on these types of media for individual users, whereby on a forum you can. /end that argument.

[AgnesIO]

I find it ridiculous your bringing newspapers/TV into this, there is no way to filter language on these types of media for individual users, whereby on a forum you can. /end that argument.

Would it make you feel older and mature to be able to use unnecessary language and see it?

[Recursion]

Would it make you feel older and mature to be able to use unnecessary language and see it?

But who cares? If you don't want to see it, keep the filter on, if not, disable it. It's not going to effect people who don't want to see it at all. If people want to swear now, it's easy enough to avoid the filter.

[RockyHorror]

Would it make you feel older and mature to be able to use unnecessary language and see it?


Treating members more maturely by allowing them to choose whether they be privy to supposed offensive language and not implementing a 'nanny state' is one step to allow more mature users feel like they are welcome on the forum.

It's not about feeling more mature.

[Hecktix]

Treating members more maturely by allowing them to choose whether they be privy to supposed offensive language and not implementing a 'nanny state' is one step to allow more mature users feel like they are welcome on the forum.

You can sit there telling me this is primely a forum for younger people, but at that point you're putting a shelf life on the website. If Habbo shuts down tomorrow, this website won't survive much longer afterwards because management is insistent on getting a populace of younger users at the expense of more mature users who wouldn't post after the Habbo section became redundent.

If Habbo closed, this site would more than likely close or become a fansite for whatever alternative popped up against Habbo, with the userbase we have we would be able to continue for perhaps a couple of years however the cut of our main source of users would starve us in the end. This is a Habbo fansite and we will not pretend we are anything else other than that.


But who cares? If you don't want to see it, keep the filter on, if not, disable it. It's not going to effect people who don't want to see it at all. If people want to swear now, it's easy enough to avoid the filter.

There's nothing stopping people swearing.

[FlyingJesus]

It's not about feeling more mature.


Treating members more maturely

Try again

[RockyHorror]

Try again

Try reading it again.

[AgnesIO]

Try reading it again.

FJ is right. Try again - you contradicted yourself?

[Recursion]

There's nothing stopping people swearing.


http://lolpics.se/pics/482.jpg

THAT'S MY POINT.

[Hecktix]

http://lolpics.se/pics/482.jpg

THAT'S MY POINT.

No your point is to avoid the filter which in this thread and others there are many valid reasons against, if you want to swear, ******* swear (not meaning it to sound rude, just added it for the example :P) but we aren't removing the filter or making it optional.

[HotelUser]

-SPOCK-

THAT'S MY POINT.

There's nothing stopping people swearing but having no language filter or the option to display filtered words would encourage swearing and thus devalue the conversation taking place here to a certain degree.

Also say it's disabled, then items filtered to prohibit illegal or vulgar activity (the latter could coincide with the above too) would be visible to users, such as the names of Runescape botting applications.

The amount of swearing going on as of the present and the amount of times moderators have to take action against a user avoiding the filter is not an issue right now. If swearing were visible I can guarantee you it would be taken advantage of to terrible lengths. If you want to infer what **** means in someone's post then by all means go ahead. Anything more than that is unnecessary and in lack of better phrasing encourages crappy posts.

[Eoin247]

Try again


Try reading it again.


FJ is right. Try again - you contradicted yourself?

From reading the posts i think he meant that if members were treated more maturely and given more leeway in what they can or cannot do then they would be more likely to stay longer on the forum as they get older. This is not neccesarily about being treated maturely to feel mature. So it's not quite a contradiction.

I personally agree that there should be an optional filter with the default set at on. I myself have brought this up in feedback before.

Also i hate this excuse about people insulting people with swear words. Currently insulting and targetting members isn't even allowed without swear words so it wouldn't make a difference.

This thing about making the site look bad and unproffesional is nonsense. The default would be on anyway to people browsing the site as a guest wouldn't see anything. If i join the site and and thought that swearing looks bad and unproffesional then why on earth would i turn the filter off.

[GommeInc]

I do find the maturity of members is often overlooked on the forum when it comes to the word filter, but I have to agree with keeping it as things are. You can still swear, and this way it keeps a happy medium - it's not a necessity, let's be honest.

[Eoin247]

There's nothing [I]
Also say it's disabled, then items filtered to prohibit illegal or vulgar activity (the latter could coincide with the above too) would be visible to users, such as the names of Runescape botting applications.

The amount of swearing going on as of the present and the amount of times moderators have to take action against a user avoiding the filter is not an issue right now. If swearing were visible I can guarantee you it would be taken advantage of to terrible lengths. If you want to infer what **** means in someone's post then by all means go ahead. Anything more than that is unnecessary and in lack of better phrasing encourages crappy posts.

Surely you're not telling me that you can either have the filter completely on or off? Keep the bots blocked if you want nobody here's complaining about that.

Sure for the first week or so people would take advantage of it (again people who don't want to experience this don't have to!). But once the novelty has worn off i can also guarantee you wont find lots of great abuses of it. Encouraging crappy posts? I don't need the filter to be on or off to see or make crappy posts. Sorry but I fail to see how some people being able to view swear words at their discression would encourage "crappy posts".

[FlyingJesus]

I'm one of the oldest people here, potentially the oldest regular user unless David really is as old as I tell people he is, and I think I'm mature enough to not require swearing. If maturity's the angle people want to push for allowing profanity then they ought to really take a good look at themselves and try to think of what logic they might actually possess.

Still haven't seen anyone say what a (genuine) positive outcome of having a lifted/optional filter would be

[Recursion]

I'm one of the oldest people here, potentially the oldest regular user unless David really is as old as I tell people he is, and I think I'm mature enough to not require swearing. If maturity's the angle people want to push for allowing profanity then they ought to really take a good look at themselves and try to think of what logic they might actually possess.

Still haven't seen anyone say what a (genuine) positive outcome of having a lifted/optional filter would be

How old are you anyway? :hmm:

EDIT: Oh lol, if you're profile's right about you being 21... wooooooowwwwwww.

[Catzsy]

Various newspapers do not filter, and OFCOM impose restrictions to safeguard children from swearing for the watershed, I dare say there would be swearing if it wasn't for OFCOM's restrictions. That is a totally different situation using totally different media.

I have not seen a mainstream newspaper that doesn't. Example? Restrictions are there for a reason and to to say that there would be swearing if it was not for OFCOM is rather silly as if there were not a lot of laws etc people would do a lot of things but that does not make it right. How is it a different media or a totally different situation? Also I have have heard a lot about 'maturity' in the thread. Since when was swearing a sign of maturity? FJ is also right what positives would there be of a lifted/ optional filter - nobody seems to have answered that one.

[RockyHorror]

I have not seen a mainstream newspaper that doesn't. Example? Restrictions are there for a reason and to to say that there would be swearing if it was not for OFCOM is rather silly as if there were not a lot of laws etc people would do a lot of things but that does not make it right. How is it a different media or a totally different situation? Also I have have heard a lot about 'maturity' in the thread. Since when was swearing a sign of maturity? FJ is also right what positives would there be of a lifted/ optional filter - nobody seems to have answered that one.

I've provided a positive, that everyone has glossed over because seemingly nobody can counteract it, why don't you provide me with a positive of having a filter in place that I haven't already provided a valid counter argument towards.

O and about your on-going media argument. I provided a reason why you can't make favorable comparisons;


I find it ridiculous your bringing newspapers/TV into this, there is no way to filter language on these types of media for individual users, whereby on a forum you can. /end that argument.

[Catzsy]

I've provided a positive, that everyone has glossed over because seemingly nobody can counteract it, why don't you provide me with a positive of having a filter in place that I haven't already provided a valid counter argument towards.

O and about your on-going media argument. I provided a reason why you can't make favorable comparisons;

Your reasons are that members should be treated more maturely - what is mature about swearing?

The comparisons with newspapers/mainstream TV are that 'in the real world' it is generally accepted that it is inappropriate to use foul language whether or not people do it on the street. I would say that is a pretty good precedent to use on this forum which afterall is aimed at teenagers.

[Hecktix]

I've provided a positive, that everyone has glossed over because seemingly nobody can counteract it, why don't you provide me with a positive of having a filter in place that I haven't already provided a valid counter argument towards.

O and about your on-going media argument. I provided a reason why you can't make favorable comparisons;

If you bothered to read the 5 or 6 threads that FJ pointed out earlier on there are many valid reasons for having a filter in place. Including that Habbo also filter their forums (you guys seemed to ignore me when I brought that valid point up) and the fact that we don't just use our filter for swearing, we also use it for security.

[FlyingJesus]

I've provided a positive, that everyone has glossed over because seemingly nobody can counteract it

Pretty sure half of pages 6 and 7 were replies to your argument, which you yourself afterwards denied and contradicted

[Recursion]

I still vote for the Jin filter.

[Eoin247]

Well i suppose the main reason for it is the most obvious one and the main reason pretty much all things are introduced. A large amount of people simply want it introduced. Wether you find lots of reasons for it or not.

If people get what they want they are now happy> Happy forum members= more active and more likely to stay forum members> more people stay past the "habbo age"

People that don't like the swearing cannot complain as they have an option.

Another reason would be that without an optional filter habbox feels much more like a little kiddies forum that has parental controls for everybody regardless of age. With an optional filter you will make forum members that are getting older more likely to stay. Lets face it, nobody likes the feeling that they are on something that is meant for kids when they are an adult. Like it or not, a forced filter with no options makes that feeling greater. Either consiously or subconsiously.

[FlyingJesus]

Anyone who thinks having a language filter isn't treating members as mature persons is obviously not mature enough to be treated as such anyway. Being more profane does not make one any less childish, and I challenge you to find even one older member who's quit due to not being allowed to swear

[Moh]

Wont work, as I'm sure the words are filtered out in the database and not when they're displayed.

[Eoin247]

Anyone who thinks having a language filter isn't treating members as mature persons is obviously not mature enough to be treated as such anyway. Being more profane does not make one any less childish, and I challenge you to find even one older member who's quit due to not being allowed to swear

I'm guessing the first part was directed at me considering i was the only one who posted reasons since your last post. Read that post a bit more carefully and i hope you'll understand better what i meant.

The part in bold was quite funny i thought. Sure would be kinda hard to find them since they quit and aint here...

Most people just leave without giving reasons, but i can guarantee you that the No. 1 reason that people leave is that they feel they have outgrown the forum. Like it or not, making the option to turn on/off the filter (or at least part of it) makes the forum feel less like a kids forum to these people while giving other members just as much filtered things as there are now .

In fact that was the reason habbo brought in the optional filter wasn't it? They said that they realised that they now had a group of people who are older than their original target area and so were going to act appropriately. Not long after, the optional filter came in. Habbox is a habbo fansite that now has a group of people that are also older than the original targetbase.

[FlyingJesus]

And I repeat, you do not need to swear in order to be mature - that's what the first part of my post was about, not as a personal attack on you if that's how you read it.

I really can't imagine someone thinking "I deem myself too engrossed in activities and communities better suited to the older percentile of adolescents, yet SWEARING would change that entirely and ensure my extended presence at Habbox"

[Catzsy]

Well i suppose the main reason for it is the most obvious one and the main reason pretty much all things are introduced. A large amount of people simply want it introduced. Wether you find lots of reasons for it or not.

If people get what they want they are now happy> Happy forum members= more active and more likely to stay forum members> more people stay past the "habbo age"

People that don't like the swearing cannot complain as they have an option.

Another reason would be that without an optional filter habbox feels much more like a little kiddies forum that has parental controls for everybody regardless of age. With an optional filter you will make forum members that are getting older more likely to stay. Lets face it, nobody likes the feeling that they are on something that is meant for kids when they are an adult. Like it or not, a forced filter with no options makes that feeling greater. Either consiously or subconsiously.

With respect there is absolutely nothing to support the comment in bold. I would say less than 5% of the forum have even complained and that is being generous. Just because somebody shouts long and hard with a few supporters does not mean there is really any real demand for it. Amazingly a Habbo forum actually aims itself at 'kids' and teenagers.

[AgnesIO]

I'm guessing the first part was directed at me considering i was the only one who posted reasons since your last post. Read that post a bit more carefully and i hope you'll understand better what i meant.

The part in bold was quite funny i thought. Sure would be kinda hard to find them since they quit and aint here...

Most people just leave without giving reasons, but i can guarantee you that the No. 1 reason that people leave is that they feel they have outgrown the forum. Like it or not, making the option to turn on/off the filter (or at least part of it) makes the forum feel less like a kids forum to these people while giving other members just as much filtered things as there are now .

In fact that was the reason habbo brought in the optional filter wasn't it? They said that they realised that they now had a group of people who are older than their original target area and so were going to act appropriately. Not long after, the optional filter came in. Habbox is a habbo fansite that now has a group of people that are also older than the original targetbase.

Why do you need to try and act smart? "They aren't here to ask why they left" - I am sorry, but if anyone leaves because of a swear filter I personally could not give a damn - anyone who feels like a child because they can't see "the f word" needs to jump in to reality, and grow up.

[Hecktix]

YAY someone else bringing up the "HABBO HAVE AN OPTIONAL FILTER" - not on their forums they don't. Ooooooh loving my post count going up from repeating myself in this thread :D

[Eoin247]

Why do you need to try and act smart? "They aren't here to ask why they left" - I am sorry, but if anyone leaves because of a swear filter I personally could not give a damn - anyone who feels like a child because they can't see "the f word" needs to jump in to reality, and grow up.

Says the person who gets information from seemingly nowhere and then tries to use it as an attack on somebodies posts (yeah i am bringing the other thread into this one, exactly what you did with the other thread). Before you acuse others of trying to be smartarses, look at what you post. At least what i said in my post made sense as compared to that post you made about awards.


With regards to catzs post. Fair enough if people dont want it. However it seems that there are a sizeable amount of people that do want it. Just look at this thread constantly coming up and the people that have wanted it, and thats just the people that voice their opinion on this matter.

That said. It's not too big of a deal for me. I believe it should be introduced for the reasons i gave, but if its not it really wont affect me much.

[GommeInc]

There's nothing wrong with the word filter. No-one needs to see the F word littered in every nook and cranny. The only time you would ever need to get rid of it is if it impedes on conversation and discussion, and the last time I checked you do not need to say any of these words :/

[Hecktix]

yay my valid point about habbo not having an optional filter on their forums gets ignored again by those in favour of this :D

[Morphs]

I agree with Gomme.

[Agnostic Bear]

It's a feature wanted by a few people who feel the need to swear in every post

I want this feature and I don't feel the need to swear in every post. There goes your argument right there!

Swearing can add emphasis no words that people on this forum would understand could, including (I'd imagine) most of the staffers. It's not exactly like this forum is smart by any measure so you can't exactly fall back on the "some people might understand it", because they wont.

[HotelUser]

I want this feature and I don't feel the need to swear in every post. There goes your argument right there!

Swearing can add emphasis no words that people on this forum would understand could, including (I'd imagine) most of the staffers. It's not exactly like this forum is smart by any measure so you can't exactly fall back on the "some people might understand it", because they wont.

The people on this forum are capable of speaking and understanding English and can substitute other words for these swear words. Your argument is extremely stoopid.

[JerseySafety]

It would benefit Habbox in some ways I suppose, but I agree with what David says; there are substitute words even though sometimes you get in trouble for avoiding the filter etc. etc.

[Catzsy]

YAY someone else bringing up the "HABBO HAVE AN OPTIONAL FILTER" - not on their forums they don't. Ooooooh loving my post count going up from repeating myself in this thread :D

That's just what I was thinking. :P


Says the person who gets information from seemingly nowhere and then tries to use it as an attack on somebodies posts (yeah i am bringing the other thread into this one, exactly what you did with the other thread). Before you acuse others of trying to be smartarses, look at what you post. At least what i said in my post made sense as compared to that post you made about awards.


With regards to catzs post. Fair enough if people dont want it. However it seems that there are a sizeable amount of people that do want it. Just look at this thread constantly coming up and the people that have wanted it, and thats just the people that voice their opinion on this matter.

That said. It's not too big of a deal for me. I believe it should be introduced for the reasons i gave, but if its not it really wont affect me much.

But there is not a sizeable number of members that do want it compared to the size of the forum. I would guess that more members do not in this thread. Normally if members actually 'want' something they take the time to post. :P :)

[Eoin247]

yay my valid point about habbo not having an optional filter on their forums gets ignored again by those in favour of this :D

Just like how you ignored my valid points about how certain members of management were conducting themselves a few months back. Kinda ironic as it's actualy related to this in a way.

But now i will answer your point. It's pretty obvious that habbo is primarily client. Habboxforum is primarily... well a forum. Barely anybody on habbo.com uses the forums in groups, whilst everybody on habboxforum uses the forum because that's all it is. It's obvious that habbo don't pay any attention to these group forums. The evidence in that is that they are the exact same as they were when they were first introduced years ago.

The habbo.com forums are extremely poor. They have very few options and as i said have never been updated not even when the filter was introduced. Habbo concentrate on their client, just as habboxforum concentrate on the forum.

All these updated client features (client chat, client messages) allows the optional filter. You'll probably see the optional filter introduced to the group forums once they are eventualy given an update.

[Hecktix]

Just like how you ignored my valid points about how certain members of management were conducting themselves a few months back. Kinda ironic as it's actualy related to this in a way.

But now i will answer your point. It's pretty obvious that habbo is primarily client. Habboxforum is primarily... well a forum. Barely anybody on habbo.com uses the forums in groups, whilst everybody on habboxforum uses the forum because that's all it is. It's obvious that habbo don't pay any attention to these group forums. The evidence in that is that they are the exact same as they were when they were first introduced years ago.

The habbo.com forums are extremely poor. They have very few options and as i said have never been updated not even when the filter was introduced. Habbo concentrate on their client, just as habboxforum concentrate on the forum.

All these updated client features (client chat, client messages) allows the optional filter. You'll probably see the optional filter introduced to the group forums once they are eventualy given an update.

I doubt that very much, they still have a forced filter on the chat system and minimail system too, both of which have recieved numerous updates over the past year.

I spoke with bucho6 about the reasoning he thought was behind this when he made an appearance at Habbox in 2009, he had noticed a filter thread in our feedback forum and brought it up that Habbo kept the filter on their forums for the same reasons we echo in this feedback forum every time this thread comes up, the fact that with swearing (or ******) everywhere it looks very messy and unprofessional - you may cry out that we're a Habbo fansite and we don't need to be professional but may I remind you that Sulake constantly remind fansites that as they are "approved" by Sulake we must be professional to a certain standard or they will remove us from the fansite list.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think any other official fansite has an optional filter, they may have more lenient filters but not an optional filter - this is for a reason.

I will once again bring up the point that our filter is also used for security purposes, therefore making it optional would be putting some users at risk.

It's not going to change, my mind is made up as is that of every other official here at Habbox.

[AgnesIO]

It would benefit Habbox in some ways I suppose, but I agree with what David says; there are substitute words even though sometimes you get in trouble for avoiding the filter etc. etc.

Not if you don't say the word you don't.

Obviously if you say the f work without the c you will be told off.

But if you say 'oh for flip sake' you won't get punished.

[Moh]

Wont work, as I'm sure the words are filtered out in the database and not when they're displayed.
Did anybody read this?

[AgnesIO]

Did anybody read this?

Not sure what oyu meant.

Do you mean you can't have the option, as they are either there or they are filtered?

[Hecktix]

Did anybody read this?

Of course not, just like they didn't read all the other valid arguments against it.

[Moh]

Not sure what oyu meant.

Do you mean you can't have the option, as they are either there or they are filtered?That's correct. If they turned the filter off, the words that have already been filtered will remain filtered. You can't unreverse the filter, so an option wouldn't make any difference. I tried it on HabbCrazy and ran into this problem :P No way around it without a fair bit of recoding and it'll use more server resources.

[Eoin247]

I doubt that very much, they still have a forced filter on the chat system and minimail system too, both of which have recieved numerous updates over the past year.

I spoke with bucho6 about the reasoning he thought was behind this when he made an appearance at Habbox in 2009, he had noticed a filter thread in our feedback forum and brought it up that Habbo kept the filter on their forums for the same reasons we echo in this feedback forum every time this thread comes up, the fact that with swearing (or ******) everywhere it looks very messy and unprofessional - you may cry out that we're a Habbo fansite and we don't need to be professional but may I remind you that Sulake constantly remind fansites that as they are "approved" by Sulake we must be professional to a certain standard or they will remove us from the fansite list.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think any other official fansite has an optional filter, they may have more lenient filters but not an optional filter - this is for a reason.

I will once again bring up the point that our filter is also used for security purposes, therefore making it optional would be putting some users at risk.

It's not going to change, my mind is made up as is that of every other official here at Habbox.

Now why didn't you say that in the first place? Had you said that habbo staff actualy told you this it would have stopped the thread dead in its tracks.


Did anybody read this?


Of course not, just like they didn't read all the other valid arguments against it.

lol. If what he said is true Oli then it's impossible to have an optional filter in the first place.

So if it really is impossible to have an optional filter, why didn't you just say that?

[Sammeth.]

lol. If what he said is true Oli then it's impossible to have an optional filter in the first place.

So if it really is impossible to have an optional filter, why didn't you just say that?

The logistics of things really only get looked into when its actually going to be considered. Seeing as (quite rightly) it was never going to be considered, I doubt he would have spent time looking into the plausibility of it all and probably didn't know the technicalities that may arise. Hence not being able to say that in the first place. I imagine thats right anyway.

[Hecktix]

The logistics of things really only get looked into when its actually going to be considered. Seeing as (quite rightly) it was never going to be considered, I doubt he would have spent time looking into the plausibility of it all and probably didn't know the technicalities that may arise. Hence not being able to say that in the first place. I imagine thats right anyway.

Sammeth. be right.

And I did mention that I think Habbo filter their forums for the same reason as us, but couldn't remember the conversation exactly as it was 2 years ago, which is why I posted it after checking this morning - I have more important things to do at the moment (such as revise for exams) than back up points in threads about something which isn't going to happen and many reasons have been given why :P