Surgeon tells off camera crew infront of PM Cameron

[Technologic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntRtRCYtQsY

Excellent!


A senior orthopaedic surgeon expressed his anger at what a camera crew were wearing in a ward at Guy's Hospital, London, during a visit by David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Andrew Lansley.

Unlike the politicians, the camera crew, who were acting for the BBC and other news organistations, did not have their sleeves rolled up during their visit. The prime minister was quick to agree with the surgeon and told the crew he thought they should "disappear".

The hospital visit came on the day that changes to plans for the NHS were announced

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13771099

[Mathew]

The senior orthopaedic surgeon is obviously a Labour supporter. Probably scared his job might be going down the pan.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The senior orthopaedic surgeon is obviously a Labour supporter. Probably scared his job might be going down the pan.

Not at all, I don't think he was having a go at Cameron in particular and could have treated it the same way had it been any party leader visiting a hospital. I know I wouldn't treat Mr Cameron and his PR crew in a special way to anybody else, would that mean i'm a Labour supporter?

[Mathew]

Not at all, I don't think he was having a go at Cameron in particular and could have treated it the same way had it been any party leader visiting a hospital. I know I wouldn't treat Mr Cameron and his PR crew in a special way to anybody else, would that mean i'm a Labour supporter?
Of course I was joking, but I did find it quite odd to see such havoc in a hospital, especially when such a senior figure such as the PM is there. Any normal surgeon would quietly ask them to roll up their sleeves instead of getting worked up over nothing.. :P

[Lee]

"I'm not having it, get out!" - Love it!

[-:Undertaker:-]

Of course I was joking, but I did find it quite odd to see such havoc in a hospital, especially when such a senior figure such as the PM is there. Any normal surgeon would quietly ask them to roll up their sleeves instead of getting worked up over nothing.. :P

I suppose, he could just be one of those old-matron style hospital workers tough, not abashed at anything no matter the circumstances. :P

[Technologic]

I suppose, he could just be one of those old-matron style hospital workers tough, not abashed at anything no matter the circumstances. :P

Judging by his tie i think you're spot on there

[Inseriousity.]

Good on him for not keeping quiet regardless of who was in the room. :D

[JerseySafety]

Lol at this. What has the world come to - no need to do that tbh. :(

[dbgtz]

Lol at this. What has the world come to - no need to do that tbh. :(

To be quite honest it's probably gonna be quite crowded with a film crew and there needs to be space in case they need quick access to patients if there's any problem.

[GommeInc]

His behaviour was a bit unnecessary, he could politely told them to put their sleeves up. He acted like a strict headteacher telling off children, it was scary :P

[Pawf]

What a ****.

[cocaine]

we need people like that in hospitals these days haha have you seen the state of some of them?

[Aaron]

Lol, yeah saw this on RTÉ last night (Irish news broadcast btw)

[kuzkasate]

Lol at this. What has the world come to - no need to do that tbh. :(
There was every need... just because they have a camera with them and are with the Prime Minister, doesn't mean their any different from us? :S If that happened here, where a lot of people walked in not following the 'rules' then the exact same thing would of happened, don't see why he should of acted any different just because the BBC were there along with David Cameron?

[GommeInc]

There was every need... just because they have a camera with them and are with the Prime Minister, doesn't mean their any different from us? :S If that happened here, where a lot of people walked in not following the 'rules' then the exact same thing would of happened, don't see why he should of acted any different just because the BBC were there along with David Cameron?



I'm fairly certain they didn't do it because they thought they had some sort of superiority over everyone else. They probably forgot, something as simple as that :)

[Mathew]

As Gomme said, they probably just forgot to roll their sleeves up or simply didn't feel like they needed to, it's not a question of superiority.. :P A quick word with each individual asking them to roll their sleeves up would suffice, no need to be a **** and seek all the attention you can get!

[AgnesIO]

Not at all, I don't think he was having a go at Cameron in particular and could have treated it the same way had it been any party leader visiting a hospital. I know I wouldn't treat Mr Cameron and his PR crew in a special way to anybody else, would that mean i'm a Labour supporter?


There was every need... just because they have a camera with them and are with the Prime Minister, doesn't mean their any different from us? :S If that happened here, where a lot of people walked in not following the 'rules' then the exact same thing would of happened, don't see why he should of acted any different just because the BBC were there along with David Cameron?

In reply to both, the PM is obviously different to most - although you could argue he isn't - he is. The camera men aren't but anyway, that isn't what I am discussing.

The way that surgeon talked to the cameramen and whoever else was just plain rude. I would be very wound up if he talked to me like that, who the hell does he think he is?

[Describe]

fair enough, i'd find the whole thing rather invasive as i couldn't imagine the other patients got a say in it.

[AgnesIO]

fair enough, i'd find the whole thing rather invasive as i couldn't imagine the other patients got a say in it.

That wasn't his problem though..

[kuzkasate]

I'm fairly certain they didn't do it because they thought they had some sort of superiority over everyone else. They probably forgot, something as simple as that :)


As Gomme said, they probably just forgot to roll their sleeves up or simply didn't feel like they needed to, it's not a question of superiority.. :P A quick word with each individual asking them to roll their sleeves up would suffice, no need to be a **** and seek all the attention you can get!

They couldn't have forgotten. The others did it, but if you watch the video you can see the presenter is all tidy with his suite and tie and as you can imagine, he probably wouldn't present looking like a tramp, with rolled and sleeps and no tie :P So I'm guessing he just decided not to.

[Grig]

Why do you have to roll up your sleeves in British hospitals :S? There aren't any silly regulations here in Hong Kong like that.

[GommeInc]

Why do you have to roll up your sleeves in British hospitals :S? There aren't any silly regulations here in Hong Kong like that.
To be honest I didn't know of such a rule. When I visited my dad in Intensive Care I saw no notices stating this and I think any contact with a patient contains some risk. Heck, if it's because clothes contain germs, do they not know that visitors hug patients? I'm sure the rest of the clothing is as bad as the sleeves, so you may as well go in naked :P

[Technologic]

Why do you have to roll up your sleeves in British hospitals :S? There aren't any silly regulations here in Hong Kong like that.

Ties and long sleeves are no longer allowed to be worn by staff in hospitals to reduce the spread of diseases such as MRSA, it's just to try and make things a bit safer.

[-:Undertaker:-]

British NHS hospitals would be a lot better actually cleaning the wards rather than having silly gimmicks involving sleeves and ties of visitors.

[GommeInc]

British NHS hospitals would be a lot better actually cleaning the wards rather than having silly gimmicks involving sleeves and ties of visitors.
Agreed :P However, I find many of the old NHS hospitals are the ones that need the attention. New ones like Queens Hospital in Romford is pretty good as far as hygiene goes. Not that I'm saying we demolish the old ones, we should probably renovate them to be easier to clean - why they have skirting boards that are made out of the same stuff as the floor that split over a few years is beyond me.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Agreed :P However, I find many of the old NHS hospitals are the ones that need the attention. New ones like Queens Hospital in Romford is pretty good as far as hygiene goes. Not that I'm saying we demolish the old ones, we should probably renovate them to be easier to clean - why they have skirting boards that are made out of the same stuff as the floor that split over a few years is beyond me.

Its not the buildings in my view, its the extinction of the old-fashioned matron who made sure the wards were kept clean... old hospital standards which were present in both pre-nationalised healthcare and after nationalisation (for a time) are the way to go. We, or our governments at least now think layer upon layer of managerial departments can take care of things like this, how wrong we are (again).

In a way the old hospitals are much better (Victorian design), apart from looking better they're a lot smaller and thus are more manageable compared to 1960s+ buildings which are gigantic and simply cannot be managed properly. The same goes for schools, the smaller the schools and the smaller the hospitals means usually the better the results.

[Describe]

That wasn't his problem though..
It was my opinion, hence the "i'd".

[wiffee1000]

Lol....

Edited by Infectious (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make pointless post!

[Technologic]

Its not the buildings in my view, its the extinction of the old-fashioned matron who made sure the wards were kept clean... old hospital standards which were present in both pre-nationalised healthcare and after nationalisation (for a time) are the way to go. We, or our governments at least now think layer upon layer of managerial departments can take care of things like this, how wrong we are (again).

In a way the old hospitals are much better (Victorian design), apart from looking better they're a lot smaller and thus are more manageable compared to 1960s+ buildings which are gigantic and simply cannot be managed properly. The same goes for schools, the smaller the schools and the smaller the hospitals means usually the better the results.

Small hospitals are inefficient, it's better to have larger hospitals offering more services from one site

[-:Undertaker:-]

Small hospitals are inefficient, it's better to have larger hospitals offering more services from one site

Not at all, thats a common misconception - its the same with big government or a command economy, 'its more efficent' - wrong. A smaller school for example will only need one headteacher who may even teach from time to time, a large comprehensive school requires the headteacher along with deputy heads and other layers of management thus costing more to run than the smaller school would do so and offering a worse service.

The same goes for hospitals concerning the running of the hospital along with building work that may be required/energy, heating.

[Technologic]

Not at all, thats a common misconception - its the same with big government, 'its more efficent' - wrong. A smaller school for example will only need one headteacher who may even teach from time to time, a large comprehensive school requires the headteacher along with deputy heads and other layers of management thus costing more to run than the smaller school would do so and offering a worse service.

The same goes for hospitals.

Not really, having more, smaller hospitals means the splitting of services. Patients have to be transported between different units at various hospitals and referrals can be more difficult. Plus larger hospitals have the advantage of specialists being able to co-operate on various issues and the larger the hospital, the better it can deal with an incident.

Tldr: A hospital is not a school.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Not really, having more, smaller hospitals means the splitting of services. Patients have to be transported between different units at various hospitals and referrals can be more difficult. Plus larger hospitals have the advantage of specialists being able to co-operate on various issues and the larger the hospital, the better it can deal with an incident.

Tldr: A hospital is not a school.

It does, but thats much better because if everything is located at one central point then you simply end up having to move people to one location as opposed to having services spread out. In some cases with expensive treatments then perhaps yes, but this would make no difference if being at a smaller hospital than a large one as the service is still at one central point. The NHS being a prime example of this is very inefficent, its hospitals are so large and the service itself is so centralised that its simply unmanageable even with the amount of management it has. Government continues to battle with running such a centralised service, only to make it even worse each time; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5049144/Record-staff-in-NHS-but-managers-rising-faster-than-nurses.html

A hospital isn't a school, but its the same principle - a state run service either centralised or decentralised. British hospitals prior to the NHS were a very good patchwork of services ranging from charitable hospitals to private hospitals and it worked whereas the NHS simply doesn't.