Admin Rep Power

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I don't think they should have a fixed amount. For example Brandon has the same rep power as me yet has been here almost 3 years more (+3rep power than i should have), has 3,000 more posts than me (+1 more power) and a LOT more rep pointsr than me which is 1 rep power per 400 rep points. Yet Cosmic (no offence! it's not only you but you're the most extreme example) only has a little less than 2,000 posts and yet the same as Brandon? I'm not that bothered about admins getting higher than they should, just think it's not really fair it's a fixed amount for those who deserved higher?


and i don't mean change it by increasing it...

[Alex3213]

I agree. I think they should have their own rep power as they are still members of the site and its in fact limiting some of them to extra rep powers which they deserve whilst others may have many, many more than they should. I feel that they shouldn't have a fixed amount but on the other hand I think that they should still not have to spread rep (the 7 day rule) as its normally given out by admins for thanks for ideas, positive gestures and so on more frequently.

[Mr-Trainor]

I know what you mean and I think that maybe it is best that they have their actual rep power instead.

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I agree. I think they should have their own rep power as they are still members of the site and its in fact limiting some of them to extra rep powers which they deserve whilst others may have many, many more than they should. I feel that they shouldn't have a fixed amount but on the other hand I think that they should still not have to spread rep (the 7 day rule) as its normally given out by admins for thanks for ideas, positive gestures and so on more frequently.I agree with them not having to spread. They don't have to spread at the moment and I personally do not think that has to or should change.

[AgnesIO]

Always said they shouldn't have a fixed amount - what I found funny was not long ago (when Immenseman got his friends to sign up and agree with whatever he said) it was 'this makes the new members feel small' 'this is making the new members uncomfortable' - so surely having admins with rep powers they haven't earnt is wrong - since big rep powers will surely scare newer members? :L

No but seriously, I don't really mind - they shouldn't imo, but it isn't really affecting me. Although I wasn't happy when I almost equaled them (think I had 14 points) then they made it 50 - then 20 lol

[Lee]

I don't see why they should be any different than us in regards to reputation, they should still earn it :)

[Mr-Trainor]

Always said they shouldn't have a fixed amount - what I found funny was not long ago (when Immenseman got his friends to sign up and agree with whatever he said) it was 'this makes the new members feel small' 'this is making the new members uncomfortable' - so surely having admins with rep powers they haven't earnt is wrong - since big rep powers will surely scare newer members? :L

No but seriously, I don't really mind - they shouldn't imo, but it isn't really affecting me. Although I wasn't happy when I almost equaled them (think I had 14 points) then they made it 50 - then 20 lol
Now you're almost equalling them at 20 :P.
I agree though, that is isn't really that much of an issue but I personally feel they should have their own.

[AgnesIO]

I don't see why they should be any different than us in regards to reputation, they should still earn it :)

I guess you could argue they do work their backsides off for Habbox.

Although, a better system might be to give them a certain amount of rep per month of being an Admin (or GM imo) - they would be a better way to do it, and will be a long term thanks, rather than them having something they might not even deserve. So a bit like mods get for posting?

[Stephen]

tbh I'm not bothered about general and forum management having it but people who just add vip features etc shouldn't have it

[Recursion]

Agreed with this thread, it also means they get to give out a higher number of - points when -repping people. They're members of the forum as is everyone else and should be treated exactly the same as us, who have to actually earn our rep. :rolleyes:

It's like :Jin: who has 25,000 posts exactly, I know he's the only one and he's the owner, but hell would have frozen over by the time he had even 10,000 posts, let alone 25,000.

@Marketing, what you on about? Either I'm not filled in on this or you're wrong but Mods don't get rep for posting? LOL

[Inseriousity.]

I think reputation should be earnt, not expected so I would have no problem with it being changed. I mean as the majority of admins' reputation is higher than the fixed amount anyway, it's not like they haven't earnt it!

[Casanova]

I totally agree with this, especially as most admins don't use their rep power apart from the three absolute dim-wits whom have minus repped me several times in the past *STARES AT YOUKNOWWHOYOUARE*.

I don't feel it's right they have a rep power, they should earn it.

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I totally agree with this, especially as most admins don't use their rep power apart from the three absolute dim-wits whom have minus repped me several times in the past *STARES AT YOUKNOWWHOYOUARE*.

I don't feel it's right they have a rep power, they should earn it.
exactly, why should they not have to spread like normal members either? as the rep power is high as it is, just having one or two admins reaping people for good ideas is good enough, that way if an admin needs to spread rep to give out another admin can :S the whole fixed rep power just creates a divide... I'm the same as you, been -repped twice in a row on two occasions by two different admins. I rarely see or hear of admins giving out rep anyway lol.

[xxMATTGxx]

So anyone remember the thread about the "50 reputation for Admins"? :P

Anyway;

This doesn't really affect me as I have near enough the same rep power If I'm admin or not. But I believe the reasons why Jin set the admin usergroup to have higher reputation was so the Admins could give out reputation to users who posted good suggestions, people who won forum competitions and also to welcome/encourage new users.

I'll go and find out the proper reasons on why it's been set to 20 and then go from there. It is possible that it can be changed so they have no fixed reputation power and what they would have is what they have earned over their time on the forum.




tbh I'm not bothered about general and forum management having it but people who just add vip features etc shouldn't have it

It's based for anyone in the admin usergroup, not specific users.


Agreed with this thread, it also means they get to give out a higher number of - points when -repping people. They're members of the forum as is everyone else and should be treated exactly the same as us, who have to actually earn our rep. :rolleyes:

It's like :Jin: who has 25,000 posts exactly, I know he's the only one and he's the owner, but hell would have frozen over by the time he had even 10,000 posts, let alone 25,000.

@Marketing, what you on about? Either I'm not filled in on this or you're wrong but Mods don't get rep for posting? LOL

I've never used my rep power to -rep anyone, I'm too nice :(

[Casanova]

exactly, why should they not have to spread like normal members either? as the rep power is high as it is, just having one or two admins reaping people for good ideas is good enough, that way if an admin needs to spread rep to give out someone else can :S the whole fixed rep power just creates a divide... I'm the same as you, been -repped twice in a row on two occasions by two different admins. I rarely see or hear of admins giving out rep anyway lol.

None of them ever do. I've never been repped by an administrator apart from... Jamesy and matt possibly.
I think it's useless if they don't use it but still have it?

For instance, I have gave out over 2.6k worth of rep, and recieved just under 2.1k of rep, i have 10 rep power and used this forum for in total 3 years (minus the years I was perm/IP banned). It's totally unfair they should walk into a job and get something they don't deserve nor use.

[HotelUser]

This works both ways. Oli has more than 20 rep power and when he became an admin his got set to 20 therefore he lost reputation. I was floating around 20 when I became an admin so eventually if not already I'm experiencing reputation loss as well.

Brandon is someone who's been at Habbox for years and years and who's one of our longest serving and most dedicated staffmembers. He deserves 20 reputation points, hell, he probably even deserves more than 20.

Prior to being 20 Jin had risen it to 50 and that was too high, it was later moved back down to 20. I don't see a problem with 20 rep points because 1) Some admins have that or more without it being set, 2) There's not many forum admins, and you have to remember if we looked at say, a features manager they have AdminCP, (note: if they did any of this without valid reason they'd be screwed) they can edit any user on the forum, they can give any paid subscription, ban any user, change any email, password, account information no matter how tedious, they can view all reputation comments, points, and alter post and reputation amounts. Having a mere 20 reputation points, when other fansites like HFFM give their admins 69 points, doesn't seem like a big thing to me.

They're forum administrators and they're forum administrators for a reason, because their job at Habbox is forum oriented. We wouldn't remove their red colour because it's different from the norm, where as other people have to pay for VIP to get coloured names would we? Surplus of reputation is a fairly generic characteristic of a internet forum administrator, and we only give them modest amounts compared to other forums.

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This works both ways. Oli has more than 20 rep power and when he became an admin his got set to 20 therefore he lost reputation. I was floating around 20 when I became an admin so eventually if not already I'm experiencing reputation loss as well.

Brandon is someone who's been at Habbox for years and years and who's one of our longest serving and most dedicated staffmembers. He deserves 20 reputation points, hell, he probably even deserves more than 20.

Prior to being 20 Jin had risen it to 50 and that was too high, it was later moved back down to 20. I don't see a problem with 20 rep points because 1) Some admins have that or more without it being set, 2) There's not many forum admins, and you have to remember if we looked at say, a features manager they have AdminCP, (note: if they did any of this without valid reason they'd be screwed) they can edit any user on the forum, they can give any paid subscription, ban any user, change any email, password, account information no matter how tedious, they can view all reputation comments, points, and alter post and reputation amounts. Having a mere 20 reputation points, when other fansites like HFFM give their admins 69 points, doesn't seem like a big thing to me.

They're forum administrators and they're forum administrators for a reason, because their job at Habbox is forum oriented. We wouldn't remove their red colour because it's different from the norm, where as other people have to pay for VIP to get coloured names would we? Surplus of reputation is a fairly generic characteristic of a internet forum administrator, and we only give them modest amounts compared to other forums.
er my point was brandon/you/matt/catzsy probably more deserve to have their own reputation rather than a fixed amount as they'd have a higher rep power? that's my point really and just because you're admn doesn't mean you deserve higher or lower than you should have:S it's only fair you have your own considering brandon's been here longer and done more than someone who is newly admin and only has 2,000 posts yet they have the same. i'm not picking on cosmic it's just fair....... plus admins will probably get a load of rep regardless of their power from members for just being an admin so the fixed power isn't necessary

hey i'm not even saying it's unfair for us members, i'm saying it's unfair for the admins but please yourself:P

[Cosmic]

I agree. I mean I know it's only due to the usergroup I'm in, but I have little need for having 20 rep power, however I can see why it is extremely useful for people like Sct who can use it to go towards competitions, etc. In terms of fairness towards people like brandon, I also agree that our rep power shouldn't be static, but should perhaps increase gradually the longer the role is held.

[AgnesIO]

Agreed with this thread, it also means they get to give out a higher number of - points when -repping people. They're members of the forum as is everyone else and should be treated exactly the same as us, who have to actually earn our rep. :rolleyes:

It's like :Jin: who has 25,000 posts exactly, I know he's the only one and he's the owner, but hell would have frozen over by the time he had even 10,000 posts, let alone 25,000.

@Marketing, what you on about? Either I'm not filled in on this or you're wrong but Mods don't get rep for posting? LOL

I am certain someone said about MOD's getting rep if they post x amount of times a week.


This works both ways. Oli has more than 20 rep power and when he became an admin his got set to 20 therefore he lost reputation. I was floating around 20 when I became an admin so eventually if not already I'm experiencing reputation loss as well.

Brandon is someone who's been at Habbox for years and years and who's one of our longest serving and most dedicated staffmembers. He deserves 20 reputation points, hell, he probably even deserves more than 20.

Prior to being 20 Jin had risen it to 50 and that was too high, it was later moved back down to 20. I don't see a problem with 20 rep points because 1) Some admins have that or more without it being set, 2) There's not many forum admins, and you have to remember if we looked at say, a features manager they have AdminCP, (note: if they did any of this without valid reason they'd be screwed) they can edit any user on the forum, they can give any paid subscription, ban any user, change any email, password, account information no matter how tedious, they can view all reputation comments, points, and alter post and reputation amounts. Having a mere 20 reputation points, when other fansites like HFFM give their admins 69 points, doesn't seem like a big thing to me.

They're forum administrators and they're forum administrators for a reason, because their job at Habbox is forum oriented. We wouldn't remove their red colour because it's different from the norm, where as other people have to pay for VIP to get coloured names would we? Surplus of reputation is a fairly generic characteristic of a internet forum administrator, and we only give them modest amounts compared to other forums.

If it is kept, can I say admins should be fired for abusing their power :L I am fairly certain previous members of management removed every -rep they got lol

[Mr-Trainor]

I am certain someone said about MOD's getting rep if they post x amount of times a week. When Oli was Forum Manager, he did something like that.

[Casanova]

Oli gave you rep for X amount of posts.

JRH2002 admitted openly himself and all other members of forum management changed -rep to plus rep, did it for their friends and hinted it's still done. Now it's more restricted with mod/admin CP logs being continuously monitored.

I agree, static reputation for every admin member. Maybe apart from the forum manager IF he/she gains to LOSE a substantial amount - ie they need it for forum orientation so give them a non-static rep unless it lowers their rep power.

There's just no need for it!?

[Martin]

tbh I'm not bothered about general and forum management having it but people who just add vip features etc shouldn't have it

Not all of us :'(

I agree really, not just because I don't get it but because I see little reason for it other than the added benefit of being able to rep people outside of the limit and more than once in a short space of time etc.

If you aren't gonna let the community agm do this (who is moreso involved with the community than some others), then I don't think it's entirely fair and not really needed anymore. As said, most of them have above the 20 rep power anyway.

[scott]

Not all of us :'(

I agree really, not just because I don't get it but because I see little reason for it other than the added benefit of being able to rep people outside of the limit and more than once in a short space of time etc.

If you aren't gonna let the community agm do this (who is moreso involved with the community than some others), then I don't think it's entirely fair and not really needed anymore. As said, most of them have above the 20 rep power anyway.

Well you request the rep like the rest of the management, and it really wouldn't be much more help for you to have it since you're not the AGM of the forum.

I do agree not all admins need the rep, and to who said that I'd remove any -reps myself, I report it the same way you do and forward it to General Management :P

[Martin]

Well you request the rep like the rest of the management, and it really wouldn't be much more help for you to have it since you're not the AGM of the forum.

I do agree not all admins need the rep, and to who said that I'd remove any -reps myself, I report it the same way you do and forward it to General Management :P

If that's the case what help is it to anyone at all? The AGM of the forum isn't going to need this added extra more than anyone else, when it's used it's either used as a prize or similar, there's not really much benefit that can be had from it. We could all just request it if we need additional rep as prizes, it doesn't really need to be a fixed thing, especially when most people have earnt the right to have more than 20 anyway.

[Casanova]

Well you request the rep like the rest of the management, and it really wouldn't be much more help for you to have it since you're not the AGM of the forum.

I do agree not all admins need the rep, and to who said that I'd remove any -reps myself, I report it the same way you do and forward it to General Management :P

No, i said it was done before, MAY still be done. I'm sure Oli done it tbh.

[scott]

If that's the case what help is it to anyone at all? The AGM of the forum isn't going to need this added extra more than anyone else, when it's used it's either used as a prize or similar, there's not really much benefit that can be had from it. We could all just request it if we need additional rep as prizes, it doesn't really need to be a fixed thing, especially when most people have earnt the right to have more than 20 anyway.

I don't understand why you've been going on for ages about not having the 20 rep power then if that's what you feel? Like I said anyway I agree it isn't really needed at the end of the day though Jin was the one that set it so I guess it's upto him to agree/disagree with it being removed or not :p

[Casanova]

so once again the old "jin wanted it. he'll think on it" translated to modern day terms, it's not changing.

[Martin]

I don't understand why you've been going on for ages about not having the 20 rep power then if that's what you feel? Like I said anyway I agree it isn't really needed at the end of the day though Jin was the one that set it so I guess it's upto him to agree/disagree with it being removed or not :p

I think that if you are going to give one group of people it, then everyone within that group should be included. There is no difference between a features manager having it and the agm of the community having it, I just find it a little strange.

I do agree that it isn't needed, and I'm not fighting for it, moreso the principle behind the reasonings certain people do and others don't, because admins are not really gaining anything by having it when prizes etc can simply be requested via the request thread.

[Mr-Trainor]

But I believe the reasons why Jin set the admin usergroup to have higher reputation was so the Admins could give out reputation to users who posted good suggestions, people who won forum competitions and also to welcome/encourage new users.
In my opinion, you can still +rep posts for those reasons even if you have your regular rep power anyway :P.

[xxMATTGxx]

I think that if you are going to give one group of people it, then everyone within that group should be included. There is no difference between a features manager having it and the agm of the community having it, I just find it a little strange.

I do agree that it isn't needed, and I'm not fighting for it, moreso the principle behind the reasonings certain people do and others don't, because admins are not really gaining anything by having it when prizes etc can simply be requested via the request thread.

That's called the "Forum Administrators" group and that is done by a setting in the Vbulletin settings. It's not done by the actual "usergroup" settings. Plus you aren't in that group so that makes sense.

[scott]

I think that if you are going to give one group of people it, then everyone within that group should be included. There is no difference between a features manager having it and the agm of the community having it, I just find it a little strange.

I do agree that it isn't needed, and I'm not fighting for it, moreso the principle behind the reasonings certain people do and others don't, because admins are not really gaining anything by having it when prizes etc can simply be requested via the request thread.

Well if you don't need to have Admin on the forum then you wouldn't be put into that group just for the sake of it? You've been here long enough to know that they don't give Admin out to people who don't need it and as far as I can honestly see I can't see anything to do with your job that would mean you need it. The features managers need Admin to be able to do their job, you organising things for the community does not mean you need admin on the forum just to have a 20 rep power.

[Mr-Trainor]

I don't understand why you've been going on for ages about not having the 20 rep power then if that's what you feel? Like I said anyway I agree it isn't really needed at the end of the day though Jin was the one that set it so I guess it's upto him to agree/disagree with it being removed or not :p
Well you should say that it seems as though Martin is excluded because he's the only one that doesn't have the fixed 20 rep power, whereas the rest of the management do.

[scott]

Well you should say that it seems as though Martin is excluded because he's the only one that doesn't have the fixed 20 rep power, whereas the rest of the management do.

I understand that but that's got nothing to do with me :P It's how it has always been and I don't think any of the other people who haven't had admin have said anything about it really it's how Jin/sierk set it at the end of the day

[Martin]

Well if you don't need to have Admin on the forum then you wouldn't be put into that group just for the sake of it? You've been here long enough to know that they don't give Admin out to people who don't need it and as far as I can honestly see I can't see anything to do with your job that would mean you need it. The features managers need Admin to be able to do their job, you organising things for the community does not mean you need admin on the forum just to have a 20 rep power.

the point im arguing in this thread is that no admins need it. It's a "bonus feature" which if you're gonna give out should be to everyone without that level. As I said, what really is achieved from it anyway?

The way I see it, it's an admins birthday, they are able to go through their entire birthday thread and plus rep everyone within that thread (because they exempt from the rep waiting rules), with a certain amount of rep power. Aside from that, there are no bonuses from this that I can think of.

If a features manager can do this, why not someone who is the agm of the community bringing people into the site, and interacting with new members etc. People are always telling me that my role is nothing to do with the forum blablabla, but tbh the forum is the main hub of habbox, and I don't think I should be treated any different from anybody else. It's a tiny thing yes, and I sound pathetic and greedy by moaning about it, but in my opinion there is no need for this particular bonus for admins.

[Mr-Trainor]

I understand that but that's got nothing to do with me :P It's how it has always been and I don't think any of the other people who haven't had admin have said anything about it really it's how Jin/sierk set it at the end of the day

I may be wrong, but I'm sure all the previous Community AGMs did actually have it because I'm sure Matt or someone mentioned that the next Community AGM wouldn't have admin perms, and then it was Martin :P.

[scott]

the point im arguing in this thread is that no admins need it. It's a "bonus feature" which if you're gonna give out should be to everyone without that level. As I said, what really is achieved from it anyway?

The way I see it, it's an admins birthday, they are able to go through their entire birthday thread and plus rep everyone without that thread (because they exempt from the rep waiting rules), with a certain amount of rep power. Aside from that, there are no bonuses from this that I can think of.

If a features manager can do this, why not someone who is the agm of the community bringing people into the site, and interacting with new members etc. People are always telling me that my role is nothing to do with the forum blablabla, but tbh the forum is the main hub of habbox, and I don't think I should be treated any different from anybody else. It's a tiny thing yes, and I sound pathetic and greedy by moaning about it, but in my opinion there is no need for this particular bonus for admins.

What is the bonus of you having admin? If you were using the admincp you'd be doing someone elses job as there's nothing in the description of your job that means you need access to it really?

So you are saying that our features managers don't do anything to bring people to the forum or interact with new members? I've seen them replying to more welcome/goodbye threads then I have seen you to reply to so that isn't really fair to them.

It is given to everyone on that level? Everyone that needs Admin so is put into the admin group gets it? So as far as I can see everyone who needs admin has it at the moment. I actually agreed with you at the start of the thread that it isn't really a needed thing for admins to have that high a rep power but you seem to be more interested in getting into the admin group/getting the 20 rep power. Yet you are saying that it isn't needed? So if it gets removed would you still want admin or?


I may be wrong, but I'm sure all the previous Community AGMs did actually have it because I'm sure Matt or someone mentioned that the next Community AGM wouldn't have admin perms, and then it was Martin :P.

Roxy had it to give out awards and I'm pretty sure that was all she had it for, that is now part of the Features Managers job so it isn't really needed for the AGM Community to have it and I understand why they decided not to give it out.

[Martin]

What is the bonus of you having admin? If you were using the admincp you'd be doing someone elses job as there's nothing in the description of your job that means you need access to it really?

So you are saying that our features managers don't do anything to bring people to the forum or interact with new members? I've seen them replying to more welcome/goodbye threads then I have seen you to reply to so that isn't really fair to them.

It is given to everyone on that level? Everyone that needs Admin so is put into the admin group gets it? So as far as I can see everyone who needs admin has it at the moment. I actually agreed with you at the start of the thread that it isn't really a needed thing for admins to have that high a rep power but you seem to be more interested in getting into the admin group/getting the 20 rep power. Yet you are saying that it isn't needed? So if it gets removed would you still want admin or?



Roxy had it to give out awards and I'm pretty sure that was all she had it for, that is now part of the Features Managers job so it isn't really needed for the AGM Community to have it and I understand why they decided not to give it out.

Not once in this thread have I brought up anything to do with me having/not having admin- this thread is not about that. It's about a silly feature which is given out to the entirety of general management and admins bar one which is just a little unfair- but thats just my opinion. The forum seems to be a seperate place, and I'm sorry for doing any of my job on it.

I think most of us agree that whilst only a small thing, it's not really needed and doesn't offer any substancial benefits to anybody, when the majority of those with it would have a higher rep power anyway, and prizes can be requested like the rest of us in the relevant thread.

[Mathew]

Is there only me who thinks Martin could just do the jobs of the features manager?

1) Martin is community and therefore responsible for prizes; he'd be able to take care of rep, VIP and awards better than anyone.
2) Martin would benefit from admin on the forum for reasons stated aboved.
3) He would be equal to those around him in General Management who all have admin.
3) Management seem unwilling to give out admin permissions to Martin who has been in management postions for months, yet appear to give them to Cosmic who is new to it (no offence to you on a personal level here, Davey! :))

Seems a little obscure.

Oh, and on the topic of the thread... I disagree with admins getting the 20 rep power because they all pretty much have higher and it's therefore no help to anyone. It's just pointless.. :P

[Martin]

Is there only me who thinks Martin could just do the jobs of the features manager?

1) Martin is community and therefore responsible for prizes; he'd be able to take care of rep, VIP and awards better than anyone.
2) Martin would benefit from admin on the forum for reasons stated aboved.
3) He would be equal to those around him in General Management who all have admin.
3) Management seem unwilling to give out admin permissions to Martin who has been in management postions for months, yet appear to give them to Cosmic who is new to it (no offence to you on a personal level here, Davey! :))

Seems a little obscure.

I had offered to do it, It's a small thing which doesn't take long, but in the long run I have to request everything including all prizes etc the same way as anyone else would anyway so it would have probably saved time, but I think they want to keep the structure as 2 features managers. I am pleased Davey has got it, because I know he will do a great job, and being a smod previously he also has experience with panels etc.

[Cosmic]

@matt

Really, being features manager has nothing to do with being able to manage anything or anyone in the sense of a department so I completely disagree with you there as there's no managerial experience required. It's not like I've just sprang up out of no where and I know you meant no personal offence there, but I can't help but take some.

But as I said before, I think the 20 rep power per admin thing should be removed and a 'fairer' system implemented.

[scott]

Is there only me who thinks Martin could just do the jobs of the features manager?

1) Martin is community and therefore responsible for prizes; he'd be able to take care of rep, VIP and awards better than anyone.
2) Martin would benefit from admin on the forum for reasons stated aboved.
3) He would be equal to those around him in General Management who all have admin.
3) Management seem unwilling to give out admin permissions to Martin who has been in management postions for months, yet appear to give them to Cosmic who is new to it (no offence to you on a personal level here, Davey! :))

Seems a little obscure.

Oh, and on the topic of the thread... I disagree with admins getting the 20 rep power because they all pretty much have higher and it's therefore no help to anyone. It's just pointless.. :P

It's quite a lot to add onto Martins already big workload really. I think Martins time could be put to much more use doing other things for the community than that. Also if anything surely it would be added to my jobs rather than his since it's the forum and all? I done perfectly fine covering for brandon when he was away so hmm.

p.s not saying that I want it btw, it's perfectly fine with the features managers.

[xxMATTGxx]

Is there only me who thinks Martin could just do the jobs of the features manager?

1) Martin is community and therefore responsible for prizes; he'd be able to take care of rep, VIP and awards better than anyone.
2) Martin would benefit from admin on the forum for reasons stated aboved.
3) He would be equal to those around him in General Management who all have admin.
3) Management seem unwilling to give out admin permissions to Martin who has been in management postions for months, yet appear to give them to Cosmic who is new to it (no offence to you on a personal level here, Davey! :))

Seems a little obscure.

Oh, and on the topic of the thread... I disagree with admins getting the 20 rep power because they all pretty much have higher and it's therefore no help to anyone. It's just pointless.. :P


1. Two feature managers can do that while the Community AGM can spend time doing the actual role. I rather have the Community AGM doing other roles than doing feature requests which can take up some time if there is a long list of them to be done for whatever reason.

2. N/A

3. Admin/Reputation doesn't mean everyone would be equal. They have it part of the job, if someone doesn't need admin to do their job then they don't get it. It's quite simple to understand that, the reputation is for admins only due to the setting in "Vb settings". It was set up by Jin and it's been like this for a while.

Plus it goes like this: Sierk/Jin > Me > AGMs.

4. Cosmic isn't new to be honest. He's been a moderator and super moderator and other roles if I remember correctly. He knows how to work the panel, he isn't an issue at all.

[-Danube-]

Rep doesn't mean a whole lot to me and so i wouldn't mind being equal with everyone and having the actual rep power i earned, at least it's fair then?

Although Matt G made a good argument about it being implemented by Jin so that Admins could reward people rep for good ideas etc. But surely Martin should get 20 rep power if this were the case!!!!!

And by saying i think Martin should get 20 rep power, doesn't mean i think he should have Admin, i think it's that he should have 20 rep power as being a Comm AGM he can use his rep as prizes for staff of the month for staff in his departments.

Martin doesn't have Admin for 1 reason and that because he doesn't need to use it, not because he's not trusted or not on our level :P *pats martins head*

[Inseriousity.]

a 'fairer' system implemented.

The fairest system is surely to stick with the reputation power that you've earnt rather than increasing/decreasing the one you've got. As for certain admins needing it for competitions, which is what I think you said (i might be wrong), they have the admin to add rep through admin cp so no problems there. :)

[Mathew]

I had offered to do it, It's a small thing which doesn't take long, but in the long run I have to request everything including all prizes etc the same way as anyone else would anyway so it would have probably saved time, but I think they want to keep the structure as 2 features managers. I am pleased Davey has got it, because I know he will do a great job, and being a smod previously he also has experience with panels etc.
Perhaps there's a couple of problems if the AGM for the Community has to request their own prizes then. I wouldn't say this is a problem with just your role, but I find the whole system incredibly drawn-out and time consuming. I think there's too many people doing seperate things and it results in severe lack of organisation and communication.

Oh, what do I know. It's not like anything is going to change.


@matt

Really, being features manager has nothing to do with being able to manage anything or anyone in the sense of a department so I completely disagree with you there as there's no managerial experience required. It's not like I've just sprang up out of no where and I know you meant no personal offence there, but I can't help but take some.
I have no idea what past roles you've had so forgive me, but I feel it tends to help if you've had experience with panels and ACP. :) The point I was trying to make is that Habbox has always been uptight about giving permissions out to people and as sct has pointed out above; the work could have gone to others.


But as I said before, I think the 20 rep power per admin thing should be removed and a 'fairer' system implemented.
Indeed, the fairer system is to let them earn it.


Martin doesn't have Admin for 1 reason and that because he doesn't need to use it, not because he's not trusted or not on our level :P *pats martins head*
Patronising.

[scott]

Perhaps there's a couple of problems if the AGM for the Community has to request their own prizes then. I wouldn't say this is a problem with just your role, but I find the whole system incredibly drawn-out and time consuming. I think there's too many people doing seperate things and it results in severe lack of organisation and communication.

Oh, what do I know. It's not like anything is going to change.


I have no idea what past roles you've had so forgive me, but I feel it tends to help if you've had experience with panels and ACP. :) The point I was trying to make is that Habbox has always been uptight about giving permissions out to people and as sct has pointed out above; the work could have gone to others.


Indeed, the fairer system is to let them earn it.


Patronising.

Cosmic was a Super Moderator for a considerable number of months previously so yes he does have experience with the panels, not that that really matters as it's something that can be learned. We've always had features managers, whether they were called VIP Manager or whatever they were called when we had VIP they are still needed now and I think it's best we have the features managers are they do play a big part in it. Also i'm sure if David or Dan needed a prize given out they would request it the same way as Martin does I really don't see the problem in that :P

[Inseriousity.]

Also i'm sure if David or Dan needed a prize given out they would request it the same way as Martin does I really don't see the problem in that :P

lol which insane person would do that. "Oh I could do this myself 10 times faster but I'll go through a layer of bureaucracy to get there" :P

[xxMATTGxx]

lol which insane person would do that. "Oh I could do this myself 10 times faster but I'll go through a layer of bureaucracy to get there" :P

Because I told them to.

[scott]

lol which insane person would do that. "Oh I could do this myself 10 times faster but I'll go through a layer of bureaucracy to get there" :P

Because it's Cosmic/brandons job to do it and I'm sure they'd have to request it - I have permissions to do it all myself and I still request it. It's easier for everyone and it's easier to monitor if it's done that way I guess :P

[Inseriousity.]

And have they? ;)

[Mathew]

Also i'm sure if David or Dan needed a prize given out they would request it the same way as Martin does I really don't see the problem in that :P
Yes yes, that's what I'm saying. Assistant General Managers are typically "second in command" (for lack of a better phrase), so why they have to request things is beyond me.

If an AGM wants a notice, they need to see Forum Manager.
If an AGM wants to give someone rep, award or VIP, they need to see a features manager.
If David wanted to add an event to the panel, apparently he'd need to speak to Martin.

There are far too many chains of communication and I just find it silly how AGMs are constantly having to go speak to people when things would be much quicker if they just DID IT. As I've said countless times, Habbox is trying too hard to be organised and professional like a business. There are logs in place such as rep quota / VIP log to take note of what is going on, so the argument about being "easier to monitor" doesn't work.

Here's an example: when MG was sorting our features requests, I would spend so long making sure my request included all the necessary details (bold in the correct places as the code is messed up... name.. colour.. months.. how many before.. etc). I've just checked, and between me posting the request and MG posting done, it was 2 minutes. If this is the case for AGMs who will be requesting lots of prizes, then I fear for how their time is being spent.

[xxMATTGxx]

And have they? ;)

Yes.


Yes yes, that's what I'm saying. Assistant General Managers are typically "second in command" (for lack of a better phrase), so why they have to request things is beyond me.

If an AGM wants a notice, they need to see Forum Manager.
If an AGM wants to give someone rep, award or VIP, they need to see a features manager.
If David wanted to add an event to the panel, apparently he'd need to speak to Martin.

There are far too many chains of communication and I just find it silly how AGMs are constantly having to go speak to people when things would be much quicker if they just DID IT. As I've said countless times, Habbox is trying too hard to be organised and professional like a business. There are logs in place such as rep quota / VIP log to take note of what is going on, so the argument about being "easier to monitor" doesn't work.

Here's an example: when MG was sorting our features requests, I would spend so long making sure my request included all the necessary details (bold in the correct places as the code is messed up... name.. colour.. months.. how many before.. etc). I've just checked, and between me posting the request and MG posting done, it was 2 minutes. If this is the case for AGMs who will be requesting lots of prizes, then I fear for how their time is being spent.

Not everyone followed the same practice as other managers when requesting their features. Some did it the long way, some did it the short way.

The reason why AGMs have to go through other people as it stops people going on about "equal" and it also stops any confusion. I'm sure Sct wouldn't like to come on and see a bunch of new notices he has no idea why he wasn't told if one of the AGM's decided to just add them. It also makes it fair as any other department manager has to do the same thing.

It's very rare David/Dan has to do such requests but even if they do at any time; they follow the same route as Martin.

[scott]

Yes yes, that's what I'm saying. Assistant General Managers are typically "second in command" (for lack of a better phrase), so why they have to request things is beyond me.

If an AGM wants a notice, they need to see Forum Manager.
If an AGM wants to give someone rep, award or VIP, they need to see a features manager.
If David wanted to add an event to the panel, apparently he'd need to speak to Martin.

There are far too many chains of communication and I just find it silly how AGMs are constantly having to go speak to people when things would be much quicker if they just DID IT. As I've said countless times, Habbox is trying too hard to be organised and professional like a business. There are logs in place such as rep quota / VIP log to take note of what is going on, so the argument about being "easier to monitor" doesn't work.

Here's an example: when MG was sorting our features requests, I would spend so long making sure my request included all the necessary details (bold in the correct places as the code is messed up... name.. colour.. months.. how many before.. etc). I've just checked, and between me posting the request and MG posting done, it was 2 minutes. If this is the case for AGMs who will be requesting lots of prizes, then I fear for how their time is being spent.

Well Martin asks me to do notices and I do them, I'd rather be asked to do it as I know what's happening on the forum and what isn't. I had to remove 2 of the notices I was going to use just so I could put his lottery one on for him even though I said no in the first instance as the other 2 were more important at the time (considering the lottery had all month to run) so I missed out on using the notices to advertise 2 competitions just to do that. If he was able to add them on himself then I'd fear there would be a lot and it would just become a pain in the arse. In my usertitle it says 'Forum Manager' and if I don't get to manage the forum notices then I may as well give all my jobs out to him or David as well then.

His job it to sort out the community side of Habbox which means events and competitions and stuff to do with HabboxLive not adding VIP/reputation onto winners.

[Mr-Trainor]

In my usertitle it says 'Forum Manager' and if I don't get to manage the forum notices then I may as well give all my jobs out to him or David as well then.

Then you could say the job of a Forum Moderator is to Moderate the Forum, yet they also post Competitions which is the job of the Competitions Staff.

[Inseriousity.]

Yes.

It's very rare David/Dan has to do such requests but even if they do at any time; they follow the same route as Martin.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=700566&page=1&highlight=petition+notice

It is natural to expect people who can do these things themselves to cut corners like seen in the thread above. They are human after all! :)

[Mathew]

Not everyone followed the same practice as other managers when requesting their features. Some did it the long way, some did it the short way.
Now you tell me.. :P


The reason why AGMs have to go through other people as it stops people going on about "equal" and it also stops any confusion. I'm sure Sct wouldn't like to come on and see a bunch of new notices he has no idea why he wasn't told if one of the AGM's decided to just add them. It also makes it fair as any other department manager has to do the same thing.
AGMs are relying on Department Managers to make things work for them, which shouldn't be the case. They should be able to take charge because, as the name suggests, they are general and were promoted for their ability to organise. Martin's current position means he's expected to work like a machine and churn out ideas to bring new members to Habbox (just like Dilusionate's job :O!) yet it is being hindered by the large chain of people.


It's very rare David/Dan has to do such requests but even if they do at any time; they follow the same route as Martin.
Habbox Petition.


If he was able to add them on himself then I'd fear there would be a lot and it would just become a pain in the arse. In my usertitle it says 'Forum Manager' and if I don't get to manage the forum notices then I may as well give all my jobs out to him or David as well then.
lol, I don't really think it's fair to suggest Martin is clueless about adding notices.. he was the AFM for a period of time so it's not like he's going to add them left, right and centre; is it? Where's the communication in that too? :)

Whilst I do respect your position Scott, they are Assistant General Managers and therefore responsible for organising things too.


His job it to sort out the community side of Habbox which means events and competitions and stuff to do with HabboxLive not adding VIP/reputation onto winners.
As I said above: his job is very similar to that of Department Managers. Yet again, they are Assistant General Managers so why are they being restricted? Logs are in place to see who has done what..!

[xxMATTGxx]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=700566&page=1&highlight=petition+notice

It is natural to expect people who can do these things themselves to cut corners like seen in the thread above. They are human after all! :)

I wasn't GM then and all AGM's are aware of what they need to do if they want a notice added onto the forum. They go and talk to Sct about the matter. ;)

[scott]

Then you could say the job of a Forum Moderator is to Moderate the Forum, yet they also post Competitions which is the job of the Competitions Staff.

It's also part of my job to help promote the forum and have forum events/competitions. If the competitions department want to get involved and post specific forum competitions then the management can contact me that's not a problem with me, I can find other things to do. It's not forced upon them, if they wish to host a competition then that's great I'm not going to fire someone for not doing a competition, that's the difference. If we're going to go down that route is it upto HxHD staff to host events? :S

[HotelUser]

This is a really interesting discussion and I think there's quite a lot of confusion here.

If AGMs could hold two roles at once I probably wouldn't have resigned as HxHD Manager when I did, and Roxy wouldn't have stepped down from managing events either. Martin's role within Habbox is community oriented and it was decided months ago that members of general management should focus on their sector of Habbox and not another. If Martin began managing features (and that can take hours some days especially when problems need ironed out) then community aspects of Habbox would then be overlooked. Fortunately we are lucky enough to have Brandon (who I will again point out has been here for years and deserves every point of that 20 reputation) and Cosmic who was a forum moderator as of recently, and previously one of Habbox's best super moderators. I'll even go as far as to say if he didn't resign as SMOD when he did he would likely be some other variation of forum management already. We also didn't give the position to someone already on general management because we thought it would be more fair to give someone else a shot at a new role.


Is there only me who thinks Martin could just do the jobs of the features manager?

1) Martin is community and therefore responsible for prizes; he'd be able to take care of rep, VIP and awards better than anyone.
2) Martin would benefit from admin on the forum for reasons stated aboved.
3) He would be equal to those around him in General Management who all have admin.
3) Management seem unwilling to give out admin permissions to Martin who has been in management postions for months, yet appear to give them to Cosmic who is new to it (no offence to you on a personal level here, Davey! :))

Seems a little obscure.

Oh, and on the topic of the thread... I disagree with admins getting the 20 rep power because they all pretty much have higher and it's therefore no help to anyone. It's just pointless.. :P

Martin is a member of general management just as much as any other one of us. Nowhere does it say all members of General Management automatically get access to ACP. If this was the case there would have been atleast 2 occasions I could name off the top of my head where we would have experienced serious meltdowns.

We have features roles because they are necessary roles to have, there are enough amounts of things to do that we even need two features managers. Even if Martin had ACP he wouldn't be doing feature requests and distributing reputation via ACP. Not even I or Dan do that, we request it. So there really isn't any reason he needs it. Also, I am not going to start justifying the levels of administrator access anyone has because quite frankly that isn't any of your business and if anyone has any problems with that they're more than welcome to PM us.



http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=700566&page=1&highlight=petition+notice

It is natural to expect people who can do these things themselves to cut corners like seen in the thread above. They are human after all! :)

I would post the private message Oli sent me for doing that in this thread but because of how he phrased it it would violate about three different forum rules. Needless to say, I didn't know I wasn't supposed to do that when I did, I wont make notices anymore, and I even did that one wrong which just goes to show that we really should keep things organized and leave one person in charge of managing notices. Firstly, to make sure they're done correctly and secondly to assure that we don't have 50 at once.

[Mathew]

See what trouble this is causing? Wouldn't it all work so much better if everyone could work as a team; whether that's promoting the forum, posting competitions or adding prizes? The same applies! :)

[Inseriousity.]

I wasn't GM then and all AGM's are aware of what they need to do if they want a notice added onto the forum. They go and talk to Sct about the matter. ;)

Well tbf you were GM before that example and it was you who promoted martin with no admin then too. surely you'd have made them aware of it then too ;)

[scott]

Now you tell me.. :P


AGMs are relying on Department Managers to make things work for them, which shouldn't be the case. They should be able to take charge because, as the name suggests, they are general and were promoted for their ability to organise. Martin's current position means he's expected to work like a machine and churn out ideas to bring new members to Habbox (just like Dilusionate's job :O!) yet it is being hindered by the large chain of people.


Habbox Petition.


lol, I don't really think it's fair to suggest Martin is clueless about adding notices.. he was the AFM for a period of time so it's not like he's going to add them left, right and centre; is it? Where's the communication in that too? :)

Whilst I do respect your position Scott, they are Assistant General Managers and therefore responsible for organising things too.


As I said above: his job is very similar to that of Department Managers. Yet again, they are Assistant General Managers so why are they being restricted? Logs are in place to see who has done what..!

I didn't say he was clueless, if he wants a forum notice then I'm more than happy to arrange that for him. Like I said he doesn't know what my plans are with the Forum notice, the communication is in him contacting me and asking me to put one on? I don't understand what you're getting at by that though.

[xxMATTGxx]

Well tbf you were GM before that example and it was you who promoted martin with no admin then too. surely you'd have made them aware of it then too ;)

David was told off for that notice, they are aware of what they need to do. I don't see why you have to bring up an old matter.

[Martin]

I wasn't GM then and all AGM's are aware of what they need to do if they want a notice added onto the forum. They go and talk to Sct about the matter. ;)

Then shouldn't staff members/managers be able to ask me when they need Habbox funds to carry out events, giveaways etc, and for the making of official Habbox rooms etc? Shouldn't that definitely be an area I have at least a little control over? Yet the current system, I have to request Habbox funds from you too.

I know I sound like a right moaner and selfish and all that, but it does get quite upsetting when you can't do your job to the best of your ability because you are constantly running around getting other people to do stuff for you, and relying on other peoples timescales. It makes organisation 100 times more difficult and really makes things take longer and more stressful. I know it's an internet site blablabla, but I really want to do the best I can do, and can't do that when the majority of the things I do in terms of advertising, giving out of prizes, requesting of furniture are done by other people. I don't like bringing this up in public because yes it should be sorted in private and I know I probably sound stupid, but idk. :(

[buttons]

Fortunately we are lucky enough to have Brandon (who I will again point out has been here for years and deserves every point of that 20 reputation)
and i will point out again that he deserves MORE than that, he should have more than me... so could we get back to whether it's possible to get rid of the fixed rep power and the reasoning for/against instead of the oh so professional belitteling of each other and trying to win your argument :S

[xxMATTGxx]

Then shouldn't staff members/managers be able to ask me when they need Habbox funds to carry out events, giveaways etc, and for the making of official Habbox rooms etc? Shouldn't that definitely be an area I have at least a little control over? Yet the current system, I have to request Habbox funds from you too.

I know I sound like a right moaner and selfish and all that, but it does get quite upsetting when you can't do your job to the best of your ability because you are constantly running around getting other people to do stuff for you, and relying on other peoples timescales. It makes organisation 100 times more difficult and really makes things take longer and more stressful. I know it's an internet site blablabla, but I really want to do the best I can do, and can't do that when the majority of the things I do in terms of advertising, giving out of prizes, requesting of furniture are done by other people. I don't like bringing this up in public because yes it should be sorted in private and I know I probably sound stupid, but idk. :(

I'm sorry but I already said to you last night I would be sorting out the funds. If you get upset over such matters than I'm sorry but I can't really help you there. It wouldn't cause any problems if this didn't have to go on for so long because not everyone gets what they want when they ask for it.

[HotelUser]

This has moved completely away from its original point about admin powers and is now an argument between mostly members of management. If any of you have any problems with Martin's "level of power" on the forum it's really not appropriate to be discussed publicly as such. Staffmembers of this website have as much authority as Jin allocates for them to have. So to repeat, if anyone has any problems here, direct them towards Matt and Jin via PM or discuss amongst yourselves privately.

Thread closed.