Talking about sex on the forum

[RyRy]

Considering I just got an infraction for exactly that from one of the Super Moderators, is there some sort of policy on this? As there are younger members (as my infraction PM pointed out), shouldn't this be a more stern rule?

I realise that there's the "Do not post inappropriately" rule, but I'm pretty sure younger members & their parents wouldn't want them reading about somebodys sexual exploits... Mild, or explicit. Maybe worth changing that to none at all? Or even creating a 18+ section for older members?

Thoughts?

[Richie]

They wouldn't create an 18+ section 'cause its unfair and people would lie about their age. When the truth really is management friends are 12 and don't want them left out.

[Calvin]

The only problem with that though would be that you'd get people signing up posting porn thinking it's a section to post porn pictures and I doubt they would like that. :P

And as Richie said, people would change their age to 18.

[Sharon]

I wouldn't say that's fair (not even because I'm 12 AND 13 NEXT MONTH) - some younger people are maybe even sometimes more mature than an 18 y/o half the time so why would it be fair for them to not to be able to see the 18+ forum if they already know about sex/adult topics?

Age is just a number.

[redtom]

There should be an 18+ section where the rules are lax, as for not being fair that's a joke the entire forum caters for kids when a large part of the community are over 18.
Also you're 12? and have been on the site for over 2 years? You are too young to play habbo, and be a part of a habbo fansite yet your a member of staff... That's shocking.

[Mathew]

I'd like to think people are mature enough to stick to quality discussions instead of giggling at sex like little schoolchildren. This is Habbox and there's a certain professionalism and general aura about this site which makes it slightly better than the childish realms of ClubHabbo and the likes.

[Richie]

I wouldn't say that's fair (not even because I'm 12 AND 13 NEXT MONTH) - some younger people are maybe even sometimes more mature than an 18 y/o half the time so why would it be fair for them to not to be able to see the 18+ forum if they already know about sex/adult topics?

Age is just a number.

Which is the case sometimes but you wouldn't see a 12 year old going into a off licence asking for a 6 pack of beer because they're mature.

oh and mature people suck, y so srs.

[sophiethenerd]

If there was an over eighteen forum I would be pretty annoyed. With one google search you can find anything on the internet. If its allowed for them, it should be allowed for us. Same rules for all.

[The Don]

The only problem with that though would be that you'd get people signing up posting porn thinking it's a section to post porn pictures and I doubt they would like that. :P

And as Richie said, people would change their age to 18.

Are you serious? Whose going to see a website called habboxforum, with a habbo banner, loads of habbo discussion boards and then scout out a mature forum and sign up to post porn? And if that were an issue, general management could put underneath the forums name " 18+ For mature discussion however explicit content will not be tolerated (e.g pornographic pictures/videos or explicit material)"

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If there was an over eighteen forum I would be pretty annoyed. With one google search you can find anything on the internet. If its allowed for them, it should be allowed for us. Same rules for all.

Management think it's inappropriate for members to post songs which contain swearing etc due to younger users seeing it so having a +16 or +18 section would resolve this issue.

[Richie]

Or management could just do a majority vote, that'd never happen though because it'd probs be in favour lol

[Catzsy]

Considering I just got an infraction for exactly that from one of the Super Moderators, is there some sort of policy on this? As there are younger members (as my infraction PM pointed out), shouldn't this be a more stern rule?

I realise that there's the "Do not post inappropriately" rule, but I'm pretty sure younger members & their parents wouldn't want them reading about somebodys sexual exploits... Mild, or explicit. Maybe worth changing that to none at all? Or even creating a 18+ section for older members?

Thoughts?

You got an infraction for talking about sex? Really? :P

I suggest if you feel it is unfair then you should report it here:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=279102 It is a Habbo forum. I am sure there are plenty of sites that you could go to talk about sexual exploits and view 18+ material. I feel the balance is just about right as it is allowing for mild innuendo and nothing too graphic in spoilers with a warning.

[Richie]

You got an infraction for talking about sex? Really? :P

I suggest if you feel it is unfair then you should report it here:
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=279102
It is a Habbo forum. I am sure there are plenty of sites that you could go to talk about your sexual exploits and view 18+ material.


I said fanny and got a pm saying it got removed :( if it's that naughty it should really be filtered because it has little use.

[Catzsy]

I said fanny and got a pm saying it got removed :( if it's that naughty it should really be filtered because it has little use.

It wasn't for saying that word Richie. Check your pm again. :P

[Richie]

It wasn't for saying that word Richie. Check your pm again. :P

Oh lol didn't read it properly, in fairness though I was just continuing on the conversation, I'm sure the person in question has a perfect fanny and wouldn't mind discussion about it otherwise they wouldn't of slept with a habboxforum user.

On Topic:
I'd love to see an 18+ forum but realisticly it'll never happen. Perhaps we could have an option where we could choose if a post is 18+ then hide it from younger members, I'm not sure.

[Catzsy]

Oh lol didn't read it properly, in fairness though I was just continuing on the conversation, I'm sure the person in question has a perfect fanny and wouldn't mind discussion about it otherwise they wouldn't of slept with a habboxforum user.

On Topic:
I'd love to see an 18+ forum but realisticly it'll never happen. Perhaps we could have an option where we could choose if a post is 18+ then hide it from younger members, I'm not sure.

In bold - and exactly the opposite of that could also be true. Do you believe everything you hear/read? Had you thought of that? :P I think Hell would freeze over before there was an 18 + forum on a habbo forum, Richie. I am sure Sulake would really jump up and down at that.

[Richie]

In bold - an exactly the opposite of that could also be true. Do you believe everything you hear/read? Had you thought of that? :P I think Hell would freeze over before there was an 18 + forum on a habbo forum, Richie. I am sure Sulake would really jump up and down at that.

Well I'm sure they don't approve of children posting in real life pictures of themselves. Indecent pictures or not, they're still children. Sure people post pictures on facebook but at least they have some protection against those who aren't on their list, on habboxforum they have no protection like that it's a public forum. I'd be more concerned about my child posting pictures of themselves to a bunch of strangers than hearing a few swears.

[Catzsy]

Well I'm sure they don't approve of children posting in real life pictures of themselves. Indecent pictures or not, they're still children. Sure people post pictures on facebook but at least they have some protection against those who aren't on their list, on habboxforum they have no protection like that it's a public forum. I'd be more concerned about my child posting pictures of themselves to a bunch of strangers than hearing a few swears.


Well you do have a point there although there was a lot of thought that went into allowing them to do so and it is still not allowed in their avatar unlike most other forums. It also becomes very apparent when somebody has more than a passing interest in the younger members.

[e5]

Sex is legal for 16 year olds so if it's limited, it should be to 16 year olds. I think possibly a warning on the thread or something to say its about sex should be good enough though.

[redtom]

Obviously an 18 plus forum wouldn't just be for sexual content more as a haven for the older members where they can speak there mind or about content which wouldn't fit or be allowed in another section. I honestly can't see the problems with having a hidden section only viewable to members 18 or over maybe even make it so you have to of been a member for more than say 3-6 Months, abuse of the section would see there permissions to view and use it removed. Also if you don't allow people to change there DOB after sign up and make it a specific rule that members found to be pretending to be over 18 to gain access to this section will be punished.

[Mikey]

Management wouldn't agree with this at all and I don't agree with it either. HabboxForum is a forum for mainly teenagers and we have alot of young members. There's no point in having a 18+ forum because anyone below that age natural instinct would be 'Oh let's change my date of birth and have a look'

[Richie]

Well you do have a point there although there was a lot of thought that went into allowing them to do so and it is still not allowed in their avatar unlike most other forums. It also becomes very apparent when somebody has more than a passing interest in the younger members.

I think that's an unfair point, I speak to shaz but that doesn't mean that I'm trying to groom her :S

[Zak]

I'm not really a big supporter of the 18+ section, but couldn't there be some kind of verification process in which, if you prove you are 18+. You can access that forum? All seems a bit over the top though!

[Marbian]

If you were to go out in public and talk about sexual things, you'll most likely be reported and then fined or something. So considering this is a Forum for teenagers, it's not exactly a right place to be talking about sexual things.

[Richie]

If you were to go out in public and talk about sexual things, you'll most likely be reported and then fined or something. So considering this is a Forum for teenagers, it's not exactly a right place to be talking about sexual things.

Are you serious? I'm not sure what England is like but over here its a sex crazed drugged up world.

[jackass]

If you were to go out in public and talk about sexual things, you'll most likely be reported and then fined or something. So considering this is a Forum for teenagers, it's not exactly a right place to be talking about sexual things.

Um... what?

[FlyingJesus]

Love how no-one comes up with omgamazingtotallybeneficial ideas like this until they've been done for breaking the rules. The mod PMs about sexual content have been flowing for years, it's nothing new. We've pretty much always (since it was relaxed from no sexual content at all) been told that it's ok to discuss it in general, but nothing graphic or in too much detail. As for an 18+ section, the only way that could be properly policed is through credit card checks like porn/gambling sites do, as otherwise it's really not difficult for people to lie and without those checks Hx would be open to all sorts of legal trouble depending on what sort of content went on in there - and if you just want to tell someone how many fingers went where in who then you can do it through facebook/msn or on Habbo. Anyone who you feel the need to tell will be contactable on one of those I'm sure

[Marbian]

Are you serious? I'm not sure what England is like but over here its a sex crazed drugged up world.

Yes, obviously. All the world is, but if you were to do in public, of course there would be trouble with the police. My point was, that's life with the law and the police, mind that this is a forum for teenagers.

And yeah, you're not going to get arrested for talking about it on here, but there's rules, and proritys.

[Richie]

Yes, obviously. All the world is, but if you were to do in public, of course there would be trouble with the police. My point was, that's life with the law and the police, mind that this is a forum for teenagers.

I can speak to my friends in a sexual explicit manner in real life in public, obviously if I was being indecent and showing off my lady bits I'd get arrested but other than that it's fine.

[Andii]

Well I'm sure they don't approve of children posting in real life pictures of themselves. Indecent pictures or not, they're still children. Sure people post pictures on facebook but at least they have some protection against those who aren't on their list, on habboxforum they have no protection like that it's a public forum. I'd be more concerned about my child posting pictures of themselves to a bunch of strangers than hearing a few swears.

i agree tbh. . . there should be more of a limit on who posts pictures. . . espicially to older members looking at pictures of younger members. . . =/

[Marbian]

I can speak to my friends in a sexual explicit manner in real life in public, obviously if I was being indecent and showing off my lady bits I'd get arrested but other than that it's fine.

Well lets hope you're not sick to do that in PUBLIC, meaning where there are people, kids, as in town centre's etc. And you'd sure get in trouble if you were reported for it. Obviously it won't hardly happen... And anyway, stop going off topic. It was just a point that this is a teenage site, for kids etc... It's not a right place to talk about sexual things, same thing with being in public. and i dont mean public as in your street or something.

[Richie]

Well lets hope you're not sick to do that in PUBLIC, meaning where there are people, kids, as in town centre's etc. And you'd sure get in trouble if you were reported for it. Obviously it won't hardly happen... And anyway, stop going off topic. It was just a point that this is a teenage site, for kids etc... It's not a right place to talk about sexual things, same thing with being in public. and i dont mean public as in your street or something.

Pmsl I'm not going off topic, the topic is based around teenagers (like ryan) releasing their sexual urges, you went into comparing real life to the internet, so I followed.

And no I wouldn't spark a conversation with a kid about a sexual topic but if I was talking to my friends and they ran over and start listening to our conversation that's their parents fault not mine.

[FlyingJesus]

i agree tbh. . . there should be more of a limit on who posts pictures. . . espicially to older members looking at pictures of younger members. . . =/

Is that to stop you from making a mistake and hitting on a 12 year old when you multiquote every male and gush about them being fit

[xxMATTGxx]

I think that's an unfair point, I speak to shaz but that doesn't mean that I'm trying to groom her :S

I don't think she meant talking to younger members is a problem. But in the past certain forum members or shall I call them ex-forum members have done more than just talk to the younger people of the forum and then found themselves with a knock on the door by their local Police force. Not that you have done that and it's a problem, as obviously you haven't.

Oh and if anyone experiences that on the forum, do not hesitate to contact myself or a member of the general management team about such issues. We have dealt with them in the past and also have contacted the Police and so on.


Yes, obviously. All the world is, but if you were to do in public, of course there would be trouble with the police. My point was, that's life with the law and the police, mind that this is a forum for teenagers.

And yeah, you're not going to get arrested for talking about it on here, but there's rules, and proritys.

I've never heard of someone being arrested because they were talking about sex to their friend or to whoever but ok.


Over 18+ forums or any age-limited forums would not be ideal and it's very hard to moderate. People can easily lie about the age and we are obviously not going to start asking to prove their age on a Habbo related forum by sending a copy of their ID and so on to us. I also don't feel it's right in allowing you discuss such content on the forum either, yes you can say most of the members are older but we are still a habbo forum at the end of the day and the target is for young people/teenagers and so on.

[Andii]

Is that to stop you from making a mistake and hitting on a 12 year old when you multiquote every male and gush about them being fit

lololololol. . .i dont do below 15 =] but yea this reason is agreed aswell. . . what if you have someone like me on the forum and start like e-dating younger members because you see a picture of them :O :O :O it can happen yeno :O :O

[Marbian]

I don't think she meant talking to younger members is a problem. But in the past certain forum members or shall I call them ex-forum members have done more than just talk to the younger people of the forum and then found themselves with a knock on the door by their local Police force. Not that you have done that and it's a problem, as obviously you haven't.

Oh and if anyone experiences that on the forum, do not hesitate to contact myself or a member of the general management team about such issues. We have dealt with them in the past and also have in touch with the Police and so on in the past.



I've never heard of someone being arrested because they were talking about sex to their friend or to whoever but ok.


Over 18+ forums or any age-limited forums would not be ideal and it's very hard to moderate. People can easily lie about the age and we are obviously not going to start asking to prove their age on a Habbo related forum by sending a copy of their ID and so on to us. I also don't feel it's right in allowing you discuss such content on the forum either, yes you can say most of the members are older but we are still a habbo forum at the end of the day and the target is for young people/teenagers and so on.

I wouldn't of expected mangement to be stupid and not reading carefully. If you were to shout all over your town center sexual things, obviously it wouldn't be allowed... Obviously just to your mates, no one hearing you etc would be fine... but I wasn't on about that.

[xxMATTGxx]

I wouldn't of expected mangement to be stupid and not reading carefully. If you were to shout all over your town center sexual things, obviously it wouldn't be allowed... Obviously just to your mates, no one hearing you etc would be fine... but I wasn't on about that.

You never said shouting, if you did then I apologise. But casually talking about it in "public" to the person next to you. I doubt you will get arrested for it.

Obviously if you are "shouting" it then that's a whole different matter. :rolleyes:

[Richie]

I don't think she meant talking to younger members is a problem. But in the past certain forum members or shall I call them ex-forum members have done more than just talk to the younger people of the forum and then found themselves with a knock on the door by their local Police force. Not that you have done that and it's a problem, as obviously you haven't.

Oh and if anyone experiences that on the forum, do not hesitate to contact myself or a member of the general management team about such issues. We have dealt with them in the past and also have contacted the Police and so on.



I've never heard of someone being arrested because they were talking about sex to their friend or to whoever but ok.


Over 18+ forums or any age-limited forums would not be ideal and it's very hard to moderate. People can easily lie about the age and we are obviously not going to start asking to prove their age on a Habbo related forum by sending a copy of their ID and so on to us. I also don't feel it's right in allowing you discuss such content on the forum either, yes you can say most of the members are older but we are still a habbo forum at the end of the day and the target is for young people/teenagers and so on.

That shouldn't be your problem though, if children are lying about their age obviously it's their parents that need to protect them not you. Children go on youtube and lie about their age but it isn't youtubes fault if they watch content that is 18+ it's their parents for allowing them to use the websites unsupervised.

[HotelUser]

Considering I just got an infraction for exactly that from one of the Super Moderators, is there some sort of policy on this? As there are younger members (as my infraction PM pointed out), shouldn't this be a more stern rule?


I realise that there's the "Do not post inappropriately" rule, but I'm pretty sure younger members & their parents wouldn't want them reading about somebodys sexual exploits... Mild, or explicit. Maybe worth changing that to none at all? Or even creating a 18+ section for older members?


Thoughts?

You didn't simply and innocently talk about sex you told a member do go do something sexual in a completely inappropriate way. The particular Super Moderator in question was completely in the right to issue that infraction, and also looking at your other behaviour lately (or-- rather a lack thereof) you completely deserve to be cautioned as well. In terms of lightening the rule retaining to sexual discussion Matthew summarized the reasons why this isn't a good idea quite nicely. Save the mango and mellon talk for a more private atmosphere.

[Marbian]

But knowing that you wouldn't get arrested for talking to your friends about sex in public, should of made it obvious that I meant shouting it around in public. And the entire point was, just posting it on a forum... isn't even speaking.. everyone can see it. You see my point yet? I do appolojize, I can't make stuff sound how I want it to haha.

[Richie]

You didn't simply and innocently talk about sex you told a member do go do something sexual in a completely inappropriate way. The particular Super Moderator in question was completely in the right to issue that infraction, and also looking at your other behaviour lately (or-- rather a lack thereof) you completely deserve to be cautioned as well. In terms of lightening the rule retaining to sexual discussion Matthew summarized the reasons why this isn't a good idea quite nicely. Save the mango and mellon talk for a more private atmosphere.

Oh shut up (Don't bother warning me for being rude mods, people have told me to shut up in the past and David said it's fine)

That's your excuse for everything "Be mature, You can use better English words to phrase your posts" that is a load of my lefty, wake up and see reality. I laugh at stupid things and yes I am immature but its far less boring than being a bloody adult. The majority of the people that use this forum are immature get that into your head, we aren't all like you.

My point being not maturity levels but how we speak to one another, you may see it as immature but from where I live it's perfectly normal for my age. (Obviously not everything i say as allot of its a load of me hoop)

[wixard]

andi has to be a troll
i dont think anybody in the world could be that OBTUSE

[Sharon]

andi has to be a troll
i dont think anybody in the world could be that OBTUSE

you really just went there woah tara that is why you're my mum

ALSO andy why should you limit how many pics people can post? don't like it - don't look in the thread although you clearly love it since you've taken up that thread with your ******* flirting.

[Shar]

I don't see this how this is anything to do with maturity or anything but if we have a 18+ section in the forum it might as well be a porn forum instead of a habbo forum that it is.

[Richie]

I don't see this how this is anything to do with maturity or anything but if we have a 18+ section in the forum it might as well be a porn forum instead of a habbo forum which it is.

That's just looking at a small fraction of the pond, if it was 18+ obviously stuff that management consider 18+ content could be displayed. I'd personally use it for posting videos which I'd get hung for posting in the regular spam forum, like posting a video that contains more than 4 swear words, I know crazy stuff.

[Shar]

That's just looking at a small fraction of the pond, if it was 18+ obviously stuff that management consider 18+ content could be displayed. I'd personally use it for posting videos which I'd get hung for in the regular spam forum, like posting a video that contains more than 4 swear words, I know crazy stuff.

I get where you're coming from Richie and I know its annoying and stuff but you can post videos with swearing in it as long as there's a warning and a spoiler with it, its not that hard to add them :P

[xxMATTGxx]

That shouldn't be your problem though, if children are lying about their age obviously it's their parents that need to protect them not you. Children go on youtube and lie about their age but it isn't youtubes fault if they watch content that is 18+ it's their parents for allowing them to use the websites unsupervised.

That is true and it would make the 18+ or any age rated forum pointless on Habbox due to it being impossible to moderate the ages of the people who would want access.

If users want to discuss about drugs/sex and other stuff that most teens do then there is already a sub-forum for that but it's moderated to keep it at a mature level and nothing too explicit is posted. The 18+ forum would also not have any benefits for the users what so ever and would just cause more problems than good. Every member should freely post anywhere on the forums (apart from staff forums if they aren't am ember of staff for that department) as long as it's not breaking the forum rules and regardless of their age. There is no need to start limiting a X amount of users due to their age.

[HotelUser]

Oh shut up (Don't bother warning me for being rude mods, people have told me to shut up in the past and David said it's fine)

That's your excuse for everything "Be mature, You can use better English words to phrase your posts" that is a load of my lefty, wake up and see reality. I laugh at stupid things and yes I am immature but its far less boring than being a bloody adult. The majority of the people that use this forum are immature get that into your head, we aren't all like you.

My point being not maturity levels but how we speak to one another, you may see it as immature but from where I live it's perfectly normal for my age. (Obviously not everything i say as allot of its a load of me hoop)

The way you grew up isn't necessarily the same way everyone grew up. The general consensus is that talking about sex in detail, insulting people in a sexual nature, is vile and/or vulgar. You wouldn't participate in a discussion with people you don't or hardly know in real life and tell them to:

Offensive content in example

Go have sex with two dogs a monkey and a bearded ugly naked chimp


And that's exactly the sort of content which would go viral in the spam section if talking about sex was allowed. We are not embedding a restriction which impairs how you communicate with others, or even one that is that causes a nuisance 99/100 times you go to make a post. This isn't an adult or sexual oriented forum and so it's not appropriate to allow discussions to include (especially insults) posts to do with described acts of sex.




That's just looking at a small fraction of the pond, if it was 18+ obviously stuff that management consider 18+ content could be displayed. I'd personally use it for posting videos which I'd get hung for in the regular spam forum, like posting a video that contains more than 4 swear words, I know crazy stuff.

Not a horrible idea with regards to the 18+ forum but it would just be too difficult to manage. Also, unfair to set such a blatant and visible age necessary to take part in "mature discussion" which would most definitely just end up discouraging and belittling younger members from using the forum. To add, the majority of members aren't over 18 so such a forum would mostly be dead, and going back to it being difficult to manage it would be nigh on impossible to catch someone in a lie trying to gain access.

[Richie]

I get where you're coming from Richie and I know its annoying and stuff but you can post videos with swearing in it as long as there's a warning and a spoiler with it, its not that hard to add them :P

The thing is Shar even small things get picked up on, I don't understand why videos can say **** once but not 7 times. Even with a warning that would be removed and trying to find some rap / r&b songs without swearing can be a difficult task. I suppose that's for another discussion.


That is true and it would make the 18+ or any age rated forum pointless on Habbox due to it being impossible to moderate the ages of the people who would want access.

If users want to discuss about drugs/sex and other stuff that most teens do then there is already a sub-forum for that but it's moderated to keep it at a mature level and nothing too explicit is posted. The 18+ forum would also not have any benefits for the users what so ever and would just cause more problems than good. Every member should freely post anywhere on the forums (apart from staff forums if they aren't am ember of staff for that department) as long as it's not breaking the forum rules and regardless of their age. There is no need to start limiting a X amount of users due to their age.

I sort of agree but we wouldn't need an additional forum if things were removed when they genuinely started going gory / in depth. I can't remember everything ryan said last night but what I remember none of it was too far in depth but I suppose your view of in depth is different to mine, the odd mention of a fanny is fine for me and of the fingers in a cookie jar.

[FlyingJesus]

That's just looking at a small fraction of the pond, if it was 18+ obviously stuff that management consider 18+ content could be displayed. I'd personally use it for posting videos which I'd get hung for posting in the regular spam forum, like posting a video that contains more than 4 swear words, I know crazy stuff.

Because with activity as low as it is at the moment what we really need to do is divide the forum communities up more, right?

[Jack!]

I think the point of an older forum would be for us older members to be able to talk about anything we want, and have freedom of speech on the forum (Hell this isn't china?) I think in recent times older members have been getting more and more annoyed at how strict the forum has become (Or is that just me?) It seems now you cant say anything, not even shut up or anything without getting told off for it?

Make it so its an older forum, that does not have the word filter on it, and don't allow sexually explicit content, just allow maybe talking about personal issues if the user wants to, Nobody says you have to go to the catergory.

[xxMATTGxx]

The thing is Shar even small things get picked up on, I don't understand why videos can say **** once but not 7 times. Even with a warning that would be removed and trying to find some rap / r&b songs without swearing can be a difficult task. I suppose that's for another discussion.



I sort of agree but we wouldn't need an additional forum if things were removed when they genuinely started going gory / in depth. I can't remember everything ryan said last night but what I remember none of it was too far in depth but I suppose your view of in depth is different to mine, the odd mention of a fanny is fine for me and of the fingers in a cookie jar.

Don't forget that Ryan was also talking about another member of this forum and clearly expressed the persons name a number of times.

[Richie]

The way you grew up isn't necessarily the same way everyone grew up. The general consensus is that talking about sex in detail, insulting people in a sexual nature, is vile and/or vulgar. You wouldn't participate in a discussion with people you don't or hardly know in real life and tell them to:

Offensive content in example

Go have sex with two dogs a monkey and a bearded ugly naked chimp


And that's exactly the sort of content which would go viral in the spam section if talking about sex was allowed. We are not embedding a restriction which impairs how you communicate with others, or even one that is that causes a nuisance 99/100 times you go to make a post. This isn't an adult or sexual oriented forum and so it's not appropriate to allow discussions to include (especially insults) posts to do with described acts of sex.

What I still can't get my head around is people still seem to think that adding stuff to a spoiler is going to make a difference, it is like telling a child not to stick a crayon up their nose, they're going to do it. I didn't have a problem with what Ryan said to me and if the spoiler is the way it should go, the mod should of added a spoiler rather than removing it.








Not a horrible idea with regards to the 18+ forum but it would just be too difficult to manage. Also, unfair to set such a blatant and visible age necessary to take part in "mature discussion" which would most definitely just end up discouraging and belittling younger members from using the forum. To add, the majority of members aren't over 18 so such a forum would mostly be dead, and going back to it being difficult to manage it would be nigh on impossible to catch someone in a lie trying to gain access.

Make a forum where only users under the age of 18 can talk about their colouring books and how they snook into a rated 15s movie.


On a serious note though, I don't think the 18+ forum is necessary, just calm down on the usernotes no-one is actually being offended, you do know that. Right?

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Don't forget that Ryan was also talking about another member of this forum and clearly expressed the persons name a number of times.

Which is fair enough but you should send that user a private message, if they don't reply due to being inactive it shouldn't be a problem.

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Because with activity as low as it is at the moment what we really need to do is divide the forum communities up more, right?

Obviously not, which is why I'd like things to be just thought through a little more. Moderators should ask themselves (if a post hasn't been reported) is this truly hurting someone's feelings or inappropriate?

[xxMATTGxx]

@Richie

The user from last nights case isn't inactive and seen everything that was posted.

[Richie]

@Richie

The user from last nights case isn't inactive and seen everything that was posted.

If she was in contact with the moderation team in regards to it, it should be removed by all means. But if she wasn't, surely she isn't that offended?

[xxMATTGxx]

If she was in contact with the moderation team in regards to it, it should be removed by all means. But if she wasn't surely she isn't that offended?

Then it wouldn't of been removed but it did get removed therefore you know the answer to that one. :P

[Richie]

Then it wouldn't of been removed but it did get removed therefore you know the answer to that one. :P

Well then I totally agree with him being punished


Person in question: YA RAT!!!!!!!!!

http://www.goodcleantech.com/images/rat.jpg

Joke ofc

[HotelUser]

What I still can't get my head around is people still seem to think that adding stuff to a spoiler is going to make a difference, it is like telling a child not to stick a crayon up their nose, they're going to do it. I didn't have a problem with what Ryan said to me and if the spoiler is the way it should go, the mod should of added a spoiler rather than removing it.


If someone chooses not to want to see useless, immature garbage they don't have to click "show" on the spoiler and don't have to see it. Freedom of choice :)



Make a forum where only users under the age of 18 can talk about their colouring books and how they snook into a rated 15s movie.


On a serious note though, I don't think the 18+ forum is necessary, just calm down on the usernotes no-one is actually being offended, you do know that. Right?



Several times the other day a particular member posted rude sexual innuendos retaining to another individual having to do with personal occurrences between the individual and female he was victimizing. This behaviour was simply appalling and absolutely disgusting. The behaviour was reported and a moderator dealt with the member. The member then went on to continue his rampage of idiocy off Habbox.

1. This person wanted nothing other than to entertain himself and his friends at the expense of another person's feelings

2. None of their posts were constructive at all and only encouraged further conflict.

Needless to say it is extremely easy to offend other people when bringing in the whole sex thing and it does happen, will continue to happen, and would continue to happen with more messy scenarios if we removed this rule.

[Richie]

If someone chooses not to want to see useless, immature garbage they don't have to click "spam" and don't have to see it. Freedom of choice :)

Correction my Canadian friend.

[Zak]

Are you serious? I'm not sure what England is like but over here its a sex crazed drugged up world.

Depending on the area, my area is like that. :P


Yes, obviously. All the world is, but if you were to do in public, of course there would be trouble with the police. My point was, that's life with the law and the police, mind that this is a forum for teenagers.

And yeah, you're not going to get arrested for talking about it on here, but there's rules, and proritys.

Police round certain areas can't really punish teenagers. People shout **** all the time, and talk about indecent things in public, I've never seen the police do anything about it :P


i agree tbh. . . there should be more of a limit on who posts pictures. . . espicially to older members looking at pictures of younger members. . . =/
No andy, then I wouldn't be able to see pics of you :'(


I wouldn't of expected mangement to be stupid and not reading carefully. If you were to shout all over your town center sexual things, obviously it wouldn't be allowed... Obviously just to your mates, no one hearing you etc would be fine... but I wasn't on about that.

Town friday/Saturday night :rolleyes:

[Catzsy]

I think that's an unfair point, I speak to shaz but that doesn't mean that I'm trying to groom her :S

'More than a passing interest' is not normal chatting Richie. It is an expression that means abnormal behaviour so I think you are quite safe. :P Also your post was not edited because of 'sex' it was edited because you had inadvertently been dragged into another member targeting and basically bullying another member. The pm did explain it.

[HotelUser]

Correction my Canadian friend.

The rule changes made on the forum impact every forum, not just the spam forums. Infact, removing this rule would have less impact on the spam forums in terms of post quality because the post quality in spam is (understandably) quite low, whereas in other forums post quality would be lowered marginally if this rule was reversed.

[GommeInc]

Love how no-one comes up with omgamazingtotallybeneficial ideas like this until they've been done for breaking the rules
To be fair, most people wouldn't know they've done something wrong until they've broken a rule. They do not think and debate for half an hour before they post to see if it is appropriate. They might inately believe or understand that their behaviour is socially acceptable and normal :P

Back on topic. Not sure why people keep suggesting this daft idea of having an 18+ forum. It won't work for its desired use. If you want such a thing to exist, suggest a new tool which allows member to sign up or agree to be a part of a forum or usergroup that makes them liable for their actions and aware of what they are getting themselves into - much like a ToS or a "mature/mild content warning" you get on 4oD.

Not that we need one, we seem to be doing fine as we are at the moment. You can talk about sex until you're blue in the face, provided you're not graphic :P


Go have sex with two dogs a monkey and a bearded ugly naked chimp
I wouldn't say that's offensive at all. More laughable infact. If you're making comments like that filtered or inappropriate, then it says more about you and the moderation than the members. Let the members laugh at people who say stuff like that, while you go after people who are actually offensive :rolleyes:

[The Don]

After actually thinking about this situation, why would we need to talk about sex on the forum anyway?

[Kasabian]

hi im tom

edit; **** i thought this was in spam. anyway.

the problem is, as a habbo fansite that's predominately what this forum is about, habbo.

[ben]

not really, there is general so you could add an 18+ section for a place that doesnt apply the rules that are in place for younger members

[RockyHorror]

There is no argument against a 18+ forum, it's called a disclaimer.

[xxMATTGxx]

There is no argument against a 18+ forum, it's called a disclaimer.

Actually there is, there is no need for it. There is no need to start limiting the younger users from using such a forum and the time isn't right to add an 18+ forum when activity isn't to it's highest. It would only divide the forum communities even more and we just don't want that, that is why an age restricted forum won't be coming to HabboxForum any time soon.

[Richie]

Actually there is, there is no need for it. There is no need to start limiting the younger users from using such a forum and the time isn't right to add an 18+ forum when activity isn't to it's highest. It would only divide the forum communities even more and we just don't want that, that is why an age restricted forum won't be coming to HabboxForum any time soon.

Huh

It's not coming to habbox because the forums activity is terrible :S



I don't want an 18+ forum it'd probs just die anyway or make younger members jelly, I just wish I could discuss things that isn't actually graphic without being warned for posting graphic content.

[xxMATTGxx]

Huh

It's not coming to habbox because the forums activity is terrible :S

No, I stated that one of the reasons. As you don't want to split the communities up even more when activity isn't at the highest surely? Plus its impossible to moderate/police in regards of the users age and there isn't really any huge benefits of having one. Sorry for the confusion.

[Richie]

No, I stated that one of the reasons. As you don't want to split the communities up even more when activity isn't at the highest surely? Plus its impossible to moderate/police in regards of the users age and there isn't really any huge benefits of having one. Sorry for the confusion.

Which I totally agree. How I see it is moderators should stop and think before warning someone, they should ask themselves "is this really offensive? would someone be genuinely effected badly by this post?" because lets be honest most of the time that isn't the case. Fair enough it might be slightly jumping into a rule but discretion should be used negatively as well as positively.

[Catzsy]

Which I totally agree. How I see it is moderators should stop and think before warning someone, they should ask themselves "is this really offensive? would someone be genuinely effected badly by this post?" because lets be honest most of the time that isn't the case. Fair enough it might be slightly jumping into a rule but discretion should be used negatively as well as positively.


I really don't know where you get the part in bold from, Richie. All moderators stop and think how to handle a post. We have to decide does it break the rules or not - simple as that. As I have said before Mods have to mod with the rules and regulations given to them. We cannot pick and choose which rule break we will or will not enforce only the penalty we issue. In any event of any member feels a pm, warning or infraction is unfair there are avenues to get it looked at. If the It is found to be unfair then the mod is told why so hopefully it will not happen again so there is always a safety net. If the outcome is negative and member does not agree with the outcome, it does not mean the moderators are wrong it simply means the member doesn't agree with that particular rule. Nobody can please everybody. Even I don't agree with some things but I moderate to them and abide by them as that's what I agreed to do when signing up to the forum.

[The Don]

Which I totally agree. How I see it is moderators should stop and think before warning someone, they should ask themselves "is this really offensive? would someone be genuinely effected badly by this post?" because lets be honest most of the time that isn't the case. Fair enough it might be slightly jumping into a rule but discretion should be used negatively as well as positively.

What you are offended by and what a 13 year old is offended by are going to be completely different, and moderators have to take this into account. That's why we can't post 18+ material, because this forum is aimed at 12-15 year olds, that's Habbo's main clientele and therefore management/moderators have to make sure the forum is suitable for this age range.

[lawrawrrr]

If anyone desperately needs to discuss sex, there's loads of websites and forums specifically for that... this website is specifically for habbo.

[Richie]

I really don't know where you get the part in bold from, Richie. All moderators stop and think how to handle a post. We have to decide does it break the rules or not - simple as that. As I have said before Mods have to mod with the rules and regulations given to them. We cannot pick and choose which rule break we will or will not enforce only the penalty we issue. In any event of any member feels a pm, warning or infraction is unfair there are avenues to get it looked at. If the It is found to be unfair then the mod is told why so hopefully it will not happen again so there is always a safety net. If the outcome is negative and member does not agree with the outcome, it does not mean the moderators are wrong it simply means the member doesn't agree with that particular rule. Nobody can please everybody. Even I don't agree with some things but I moderate to them and abide by them as that's what I agreed to do when signing up to the forum.

That's my point though you can use your discretion.


What you are offended by and what a 13 year old is offended by are going to be completely different, and moderators have to take this into account. That's why we can't post 18+ material, because this forum is aimed at 12-15 year olds, that's Habbo's main clientele and therefore management/moderators have to make sure the forum is suitable for this age range.

Well Akeam if someone is genuinely upset by a post on an online forum which isn't directed at them they really need to step back and greet reality again. I don't see what the huge fuss is, I don't want to talk about sex but sometimes that's where conversations lead to. Perhaps it's just me but I don't see how somebody can be offended by something that isn't directed at them, to me that is just insane.


If anyone desperately needs to discuss sex, there's loads of websites and forums specifically for that... this website is specifically for habbo.

I totally agree that's why we have the general, gaming and technology sections :rolleyes:





I don't want an 18+ forum I'm just saying I don't see how saying fanny and fingered is graphic but I suppose it's different for other people.

[FlyingJesus]

Why is this thread still open it's just people repeating themselves/each other

I'll sum up shall I


We can't have an 18+ section because it will not only divide the forum pointlessly but also potentially leave Hx open to legal and ethical problems in terms of policing it etc
We can talk about sex, just not in graphic detail. There's nothing wrong with this, as if you really need to share detailed info with someone then either they're a friend and you prob have them on msn or something, or you're just shouting it about to brag, in which case you deserve to be shut up
Some people getting older on here does not mean that everyone is now mature, or that those people have any great need for adult content that they can't get elsewhere
Not everyone has the same views as each other concerning what is appropriate or not. I'm not offended by people talking about ripping a penis open with a pair of acid-coated rusty tweezers but I don't suggest that we ought to have a gore and torture section. The forum is far more lenient than it used to be and we all survived back in the ---ANGRY--- days so I'm sure we can just about live with not posting the intimate details of another user's anatomy with whom we have become acquainted

[The Don]

That's my point though you can use your discretion.



Well Akeam if someone is genuinely upset by a post on an online forum which isn't directed at them they really need to step back and greet reality again. I don't see what the huge fuss is, I don't want to talk about sex but sometimes that's where conversations lead to. Perhaps it's just me but I don't see how somebody can be offended by something that isn't directed at them, to me that is just insane.



I totally agree that's why we have the general, gaming and technology sections :rolleyes:





I don't want an 18+ forum I'm just saying I don't see how saying fanny and fingered is graphic but I suppose it's different for other people.

Well, that's not the sort of language you would use around a 13 year old in real life, is it? so why does it make any difference just because it's on the forum. Those other sections you mentioned are there for older members as well as younger members, younger members can take part in those discussions, whereas if there is an 18+ forum, it puts a barrier between the older users and younger members and stops them taking part.

[Richie]

Well, that's not the sort of language you would use around a 13 year old in real life, is it? so why does it make any difference just because it's on the forum. Those other sections you mentioned are there for older members as well as younger members, younger members can take part in those discussions, whereas if there is an 18+ forum, it puts a barrier between the older users and younger members and stops them taking part.

Well obviously I wouldn't speak to a kid about sex in real life but if I was having a conversation with a friend and a 13 year old started to listen to our conversation, that isn't my problem. I wouldn't spark up a conversation with a 12 year old on here about sex but if they chose to read the conversation that's their problem. I totally understand why the rule is there but I don't understand how saying "Fingered and fanny" is graphic.

[The Don]

Well obviously I wouldn't speak to a kid about sex in real life but if I was having a conversation with a friend and a 13 year old started to listen to our conversation, that isn't my problem. I wouldn't spark up a conversation with a 12 year old on here about sex but if they chose to read the conversation that's their problem.

Why should they have to avoid posts on the forum? you shouldn't post if it's not appropriate for any of the forum members. When you write something on the forum, everyone can see it, it's not listening into a conversation, this is a discussion board everyone should be involved.

[FlyingJesus]

Richie idk how much you actually know about sex but fingering is a pretty graphic topic

[Richie]

Why should they have to avoid posts on the forum? you shouldn't post if it's not appropriate for any of the forum members. When you write something on the forum, everyone can see it, it's not listening into a conversation, this is a discussion board everyone should be involved.

Well as far as I know it wasn't inappropriate to say fingered. You wouldn't discuss certain things that you would post in the health section with a 13 year old but it happens "What do you wear to bed?", "how big is your penis", "Are you a virgin?", "what drugs have you taken?".

---------- Post added 28-06-2011 at 03:17 PM ----------


Richie idk how much you actually know about sex but fingering is a pretty graphic topic

It is just like talking about how many people you have screwed but with your finger.


To me graphical would be describing what exactly you did with your fingers and how it felt, that is in depth, stuff like "fingered" isn't so much.

[Recursion]

It is just like talking about how many people you have screwed but with your finger.

You mean in the way that it lets people know how much of a male ***** you are?

No one wants to come on a website like this and see that kind of filth, if you want to talk about fingering people go on one of the various porn forums.

This is one of the (very) rare times I think management should close a feedback thread.

[Richie]

You mean in the way that it lets people know how much of a male ***** you are?

No one wants to come on a website like this and see that kind of filth, if you want to talk about fingering people go on one of the various porn forums.

I'm not the one talking about it, I'm speaking from a personal perspective to me "fingering" isn't graphical.

[The Don]

Well as far as I know it wasn't inappropriate to say fingered. You wouldn't discuss certain things that you would post in the health section with a 13 year old but it happens "What do you wear to bed?", "how big is your penis", "Are you a virgin?", "what drugs have you taken?".

---------- Post added 28-06-2011 at 03:17 PM ----------



It is just like talking about how many people you have screwed but with your finger.


To me graphical would be describing what exactly you did with your fingers and how it felt, that is in depth, stuff like "fingered" isn't so much.

Richie, saying fingered is graphic, it's a sexual act, end of. I don't understand why you want to ask people 'how many people they have screwed with their finger' but each to his own. I haven't seen a 'how big is your penis thread' in years, and they shouldn't be allowed imo. You can talk about drugs in that section, but not in explicit detail, the same with sex. Stop nitpicking.

---------- Post added 28-06-2011 at 03:23 PM ----------


I'm not the one talking about it, I'm speaking from a personal perspective to me "fingering" isn't graphical.

Yes, to you, but to a large majority, as you can see in this thread, it is classed as graphic.

[Richie]

Richie, saying fingered is graphic, it's a sexual act, end of. I don't understand why you want to ask people 'how many people they have screwed with their finger' but each to his own. I haven't seen a 'how big is your penis thread' in years, and they shouldn't be allowed imo. You can talk about drugs in that section, but not in explicit detail, the same with sex. Stop nitpicking.

---------- Post added 28-06-2011 at 03:23 PM ----------



Yes, to you, but to a large majority, as you can see in this thread, it is classed as graphic.


I never said I wanted to discuss that I was comparing both of the topics. As for the last part I never disputed to the large majority it wasn't graphical, I was speaking from my perspective. We are allowed give our own opinions aren't we?

[Recursion]

In fact, my avatar sums up my thoughts to this thread.

[The Don]

I never said I wanted to discuss that I was comparing both of the topics. As for the last part I never disputed to the large majority it wasn't graphical, I was speaking from my perspective. We are allowed give our own opinions aren't we?

Yes, but if, in the majorities opinion, it is inappropriate (which it is), most would understand this and accept the fact it wont be allowed, yet here we are on page 9, going round in circles on the same topic.

[xxMATTGxx]

Thread is being closed and I shall just say the following:


No to 18+ Forum due to the various reasons already posted in this thread.
No we won't allow you to talk about fingering because that is just too graphic, if you don't believe it is than it is your opinion and you are allowed to have that but this forum isn't about sexual content at all. Feel free to google for such websites. I'm sure you can find some interesting and weird websites/forums to talk about it all you want!


No point in having this thread when we are just repeating ourselves over and over again.