To all Internet Explorer users

[HotelUser]

IE9 isn't that bad even though it doesn't support simple things like text-shadow but:

http://i.imgur.com/D0FtP.png

To all people who use IE my question is why. Why use something knowing it's worse than something else that's free?

Thread Closed by xxMATTGxx (General Manager): Closed due to being pointless and causing arguments.

[Recursion]

IE9 isn't that bad even though it doesn't support simple things like text-shadow but:

http://i.imgur.com/D0FtP.png

To all people who use IE my question is why. Why use something knowing it's worse than something else that's free?

IE6 is old, should be dumped.
IE7 is old, should be dumped.
IE8 is old, should be dumped (if you're on XP or below get Chrome or upgrade to W7)
IE9 is fine, provides site renders closest to the CSS3 and HTML5 published specifications, well supported in an enterprise environment
Firefox is buggy, crashy, renders well, should be dumped
Chrome is the best (unless in Enterprise)
Safari is ok if you're on a Mac, terrible in Windows, you should switch to Chrome
Never used Camino (?????)
Opera can suck ****

David should stop trolling the forum with useless information and false statistics. Love ya x

[HotelUser]

Actually IE9 is not fine, on the CSS3 standard or not text-shadow not supported even in IE9? Not to mention the other compatibility issues where websites render fine in every other browser including Firefox save for IE.

http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2011/07/study-finds-smart-people-dont-use-internet-explorer.html

:)

[Recursion]

Actually IE9 is not fine, on the CSS3 standard or not text-shadow not supported even in IE9? Not to mention the other compatibility issues where websites render fine in every other browser including Firefox save for IE.

http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2011/07/study-finds-smart-people-dont-use-internet-explorer.html

:)

The test-shadow property was never properly defined in CSS3 upon IE9's release, stop nitpicking and get on with life.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368987,00.asp
http://generationsgap.com/latest-technology/ie9-beats-all-browsers-in-the-prevention-of-malware/
http://www.html5trends.com/browsers/ie9-beats-chrome-6-in-html5-test/
http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/IE-9-Beats-Chrome-Firefox-and-Safari-on-Official-HTML-5-Test

Baring in mind IE9 is over a year old now, it's done pretty well and I for one cannot wait to see what IE10 will bring to the table.

[Suspective]

Chrome is brilliant by far. I dumped IE years ago. I hate its chunky interface and the way it crashes constantly.

I have seen Chrome used in Enterprise more and more recently and it looks good, it works well and really enhances the network considerably. :P

[beth]

i like opera does this mean i am really cleva xoxo

[HotelUser]

The test-shadow property was never properly defined in CSS3 upon IE9's release, stop nitpicking and get on with life.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368987,00.asp
http://generationsgap.com/latest-technology/ie9-beats-all-browsers-in-the-prevention-of-malware/
http://www.html5trends.com/browsers/ie9-beats-chrome-6-in-html5-test/
http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/IE-9-Beats-Chrome-Firefox-and-Safari-on-Official-HTML-5-Test

Baring in mind IE9 is over a year old now, it's done pretty well and I for one cannot wait to see what IE10 will bring to the table.

Good for IE9 then. I'll try to keep that in mind at the same time I think about how every other browser supports and supported it when IE9 came out and before.


i like opera does this mean i am really cleva xoxo

According to statistics yes!

[Recursion]

Chrome is brilliant by far. I dumped IE years ago. I hate its chunky interface and the way it crashes constantly.

I have seen Chrome used in Enterprise more and more recently and it looks good, it works well and really enhances the network considerably. :P

IE9 is not clunky.

http://skitch.*****.co.uk/ie9clunkywut.png

[beth]

According to statistics yes!

fab news!! anyway: me and my best friend ben at uni were discussing something like this. he said everytime he went to a girls house and saw they used i.e as their main browser he knew he couldn't sleep with them cause they were ******ed. loving his work.

[HotelUser]

IE9 is not clunky.

-snip-

It's not good either.

[Recursion]

It's not good either.

I actually give up on you. Stop trolling.

[xxMATTGxx]

http://ieblog.members.winisp.net/images/ML_LogoUpdate_IE9Detail.png

Due to this thread, I'm going to use IE9 as my default browser. Because your hate for IE and IE9 is getting out of hand.

[HotelUser]

http://ieblog.members.winisp.net/images/ML_LogoUpdate_IE9Detail.png

Due to this thread, I'm going to use IE9 as my default browser. Because your hate for IE and IE9 is getting out of hand.

Have fun looking at websites from the ugly angle then Matt :P

[Recursion]

http://mattgarner.net/videos/InternetExplorer9LaunchPromo.mp4

[HotelUser]

http://mattgarner.net/videos/InternetExplorer9LaunchPromo.mp4

But Tom, a lot of people still use IE8 let alone IE9, where as when IE9 was release Chrome was on version 5 or 6 and is now on version 13 and pretty much everyone who uses Chrome has the latest version because of how fluid updates are. It just doesn't make any sense, why doesn't IE get constant automatic updates, plugins, themes and so on. You might think I'm just trolling/raging but it's actually frustrated me over the past few days because I've never had to go as out of my way to tailor for IE before as I have recently and there's simply no reason a good way into 2011 for me to have to do that.

[Recursion]

But Tom, a lot of people still use IE8 let alone IE9, where as when IE9 was release Chrome was on version 5 or 6 and is now on version 13 and pretty much everyone who uses Chrome has the latest version because of how fluid updates are. It just doesn't make any sense, why doesn't IE get constant automatic updates, plugins, themes and so on. You might think I'm just trolling/raging but it's actually frustrated me over the past few days because I've never had to go as out of my way to tailor for IE before as I have recently and there's simply no reason a good way into 2011 for me to have to do that.

Hey, hey David, no one cares, get on with life.

[HotelUser]

Hey, hey David, no one cares, get on with life.

U MAD BRO?

A friend sent me these statistics this morning and I had to post them, they're just too perfect to pass up.

[xxMATTGxx]

U MAD BRO?

A friend sent me these statistics this morning and I had to post them, they're just too perfect to pass up.

He's fed up with your pointless hate towards IE and I agree with him.

[iAdam]

I don't get why people are so bothered about what browser people use. It's not like it affects you at all.

OMG no text shadow, how can you live without it?


It's like most 3D movies, can happily see them in 2d because the feature is pointless and hardly noticeable.

[HotelUser]

I don't get why people are so bothered about what browser people use. It's not like it affects you at all.

OMG no text shadow, how can you live without it?


It's like most 3D movies, can happily see them in 2d because the feature is pointless and hardly noticeable.

It affects me very much actually moreso than any other factor when working on the internet. In virtually every instance of web development developers have to cater specifically for Internet Explorer, otherwise their websites or web applications wont work, function properly, or look as good in Internet Explorer. My Windows counterpart friends might be in love with Microsoft and think I'm just trolling another Microsoft product but that simply is not the case. Internet Explorer is a frustrating browser to develop for, and it's a horrible browser to use when Chrome is just fine.

[iAdam]

It affects me very much actually moreso than any other factor when working on the internet. In virtually every instance of web development developers have to cater specifically for Internet Explorer, otherwise their websites or web applications wont work, function properly, or look as good in Internet Explorer.

Well, when you're working as a developer, you should expect it and work around it. We'd all like to make our jobs easier but sometimes it just isn't possible and it's certainly not worth moaning about.

[Recursion]

I tried to rep Matt above and this happened:

http://skitch.*****.co.uk/repfail.PNG

[HotelUser]

I tried to rep Matt above and this happened:

Maybe you should switch to IE then. Have fun on the failnet :rolleyes:


Well, when you're working as a developer, you should expect it and work around it. We'd all like to make our jobs easier but sometimes it just isn't possible and it's certainly not worth moaning about.

To call a dog a dog isn't moaning about it. IE is a horrible browser and it should be a lot better.

[iAdam]

Maybe you should switch to IE then. Have fun on the failnet :rolleyes:



To call a dog a dog isn't moaning about it. IE is a horrible browser and it should be a lot better.

To create a whole thread moaning about it not supporting text shadows very much is.

[HotelUser]

To create a whole thread moaning about it not supporting text shadows very much is.

I am not sorry to discuss how poor a product is when its manufacture produces the biggest most used user OS in the world yet their web browser doesn't support something all other popular browsers do and have for quite some time. Also text-shadow is the tip of the iceburg. There is many things, many many things, IE is inferior at doing in which every other browser can accomplish.

[Recursion]

I am not sorry to discuss how poor a product is when its manufacture produces the biggest most used user OS in the world yet their web browser doesn't support something all other popular browsers do and have for quite some time. Also text-shadow is the tip of the iceburg. There is many things, many many things, IE is inferior at doing in which every other browser can accomplish.

Developers are there to solve real world issues. Stop complaining or you're in the wrong profession.

[HotelUser]

Developers are there to solve real world issues. Stop complaining or you're in the wrong profession.

I'm in no profession actually because I don't develop as a career or even for money.

At the crux of it, to those defending Internet Explorer unless you're a developer and experience how much pain Internet Explorer puts you through it's hard to really formulate a feasible reply to Internet Explorer not being bad.

[iAdam]

I am not sorry to discuss how poor a product is when its manufacture produces the biggest most used user OS in the world yet their web browser doesn't support something all other popular browsers do and have for quite some time. Also text-shadow is the tip of the iceburg. There is many things, many many things, IE is inferior at doing in which every other browser can accomplish.

Maybe the developers of the most used OS in the world are yano, developing the best OS in the world instead of reinventing what other people have done and is freely available in the world?


Funny how the iPhone is inferior at doing things which every other phone has done for years.

[HotelUser]

Maybe the developers of the most used OS in the world are yano, developing the best OS in the world instead of reinventing what other people have done and is freely available in the world?


Funny how the iPhone is inferior at doing things which every other phone has done for years.

Maybe it shouldn't come with Internet Explorer then :)

[Recursion]

Maybe it shouldn't come with Internet Explorer then :)

Which, in the EU, it doesn't.

[HotelUser]

Which, in the EU, it doesn't.

I am aware, and it's a shame we don't do that across the pond :(

[Recursion]

LET'S ALL START SUPPORTING NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR AGAIN!

[HotelUser]

LET'S ALL START SUPPORTING NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR AGAIN!

Ashamed to say I used Netscape Navigator 6 even when Firefox was quite popular and obviously better but I just loved that Netscape 6 theme:

https://sites.google.com/site/winwebpage/netscape6.JPG

[beth]

Ashamed to say I used Netscape Navigator 6 even when Firefox was quite popular and obviously better but I just loved that Netscape 6 theme:

https://sites.google.com/site/winwebpage/netscape6.JPG

netscape actually used to make me angry inside.

[GommeInc]

Aren't the people using Opera generally older than most users using other browsers? It's pretty obvious why they've got higher IQs. Interestingly, IE is used in a lot of schools, most of which are filled with children who would naturally be quite young and naive. So it goes without saying why the results are as they are.

They may as well do a survey on car usage, based on ages 0 to 99 and see what cars are sold based on price. 0 to 16 years will have cars ranging from 20p to £20, while anyone older will have cars going higher in price. Because, you know, that makes sense :rolleyes:

Pretty daft statistics. Obviously someone has a bee in their bonnet - no pun intended.

EDIT:

The report is pretty lousy and poorly written. The conclusions are based on wild accusations picked out of the air at random. I'm not sure how they concluded from the age of people that IE is incompatible with modern web standards - the last time I checked age doesn't imply this. It really is like someone in Vancouver had a hissy fit when writing this report. It is dreadful, biased and irrational :P

http://www.aptiquant.com/IQ-Browser-AptiQuant-2011.pdf

[HotelUser]

Aren't the people using Opera generally older than most users using other browsers? It's pretty obvious why they've got higher IQs. Interestingly, IE is used in a lot of schools, most of which are filled with children who would naturally be quite young and naive. So it goes without saying why the results are as they are.

They may as well do a survey on car usage, based on ages 0 to 99 and see what cars are sold based on price. 0 to 16 years will have cars ranging from 20p to £20, while anyone older will have cars going higher in price. Because, you know, that makes sense :rolleyes:

Pretty daft statistics. Obviously someone has a bee in their bonnet - no pun intended.

EDIT:

The report is pretty lousy and poorly written. The conclusions are based on wild accusations picked out of the air at random. I'm not sure how they concluded from the age of people that IE is incompatible with modern web standards - the last time I checked age doesn't imply this. It really is like someone in Vancouver had a hissy fit when writing this report. It is dreadful, biased and irrational :P

http://www.aptiquant.com/IQ-Browser-AptiQuant-2011.pdf

It's incompatible with modern web standards because IE9 doesn't support text-shadow, IE8 border-radius, gradients, text-shadow, certain transparent PNGs, horrible JS rendering and so on. It's a horrible browser! Interesting take on why the statistics are like they are, though, a lot of companies staffed with adults use Internet Explorer too.

[Kasabian]

http://www.ponychan.net/chan/arch/src/130980902319.jpg

If you've got a vendetta against Internet Explorer, keep it to yourself. Everyone has the choice of which browser they use, if they want to use Internet Explorer, then so be it.

I have an xbox 360, and it's better than a ps3 imo, so why don't I slate the ps3 like you have done with IE?

[Recursion]

It's incompatible with modern web standards because IE9 doesn't support text-shadow, IE8 border-radius, gradients, text-shadow, certain transparent PNGs, horrible JS rendering and so on. It's a horrible browser! Interesting take on why the statistics are like they are, though, a lot of companies staffed with adults use Internet Explorer too.

Yet again David, no ones ~*~cares~*~. You're moaning about IE9 not supporting text-shadow STILL, the fact of the matter is IE9 is now a year old and upon release text-shadow was not a fully documented and standardized component of the CSS3 standards. IE9 still has far better hardware acceleration than any of the other browsers and is still the only one compatible with the way enterprise networks are run. You then go on to talk about IE8, which is now what? 2 - 3 years old? Get a grip will you and stop spamming up the forum with useless drivel.


http://www.ponychan.net/chan/arch/src/130980902319.jpg

If you've got a vendetta against Internet Explorer, keep it to yourself. Everyone has the choice of which browser they use, if they want to use Internet Explorer, then so be it.

I have an xbox 360, and it's better than a ps3 imo, so why don't I slate the ps3 like you have done with IE?

Agreed.

[Shar]

David, its ok to hate something, you don't have to use IE yourself so stop complaining about it silly!

[GommeInc]

It's incompatible with modern web standards because IE9 doesn't support text-shadow, IE8 border-radius, gradients, text-shadow, certain transparent PNGs, horrible JS rendering and so on. It's a horrible browser! Interesting take on why the statistics are like they are, though, a lot of companies staffed with adults use Internet Explorer too.
If people don't care what they are missing then clearly it isn't as bad as you say. Just because it lacks certain novelty features doesn't mean it is ultimately the most useless browser in the world. If it can load websites as well as can be expected, then it is a suitable browser. Heck, IE9 is pretty decent when you consider the problems Chrome, Firefox and other browsers come with :P

Think of it as proof in the pudding. The specifications may hint towards one side, but the usage is what really matters.

[HotelUser]

If people don't care what they are missing then clearly it isn't as bad as you say. Just because it lacks certain novelty features doesn't mean it is ultimately the most useless browser in the world. If it can load websites as well as can be expected, then it is a suitable browser. Heck, IE9 is pretty decent when you consider the problems Chrome, Firefox and other browsers come with :P

Think of it as proof in the pudding. The specifications may hint towards one side, but the usage is what really matters.

I would totally agree with you that IE9 is a OK browser. But I just couldn't bring myself to use it because of a lack of plugins, updates, and there's just the small things it doesn't support like text-shadow, which again every other major browser does support.

I'm sticking with saying users don't notice it as much as developers. 9 times out of 10 it runs in every browser but turns into a lemon when you run it on IE :P

[peteyt]

Interestingly my website which is still not live - launches in September, had a little issue. While I run/own it I have a web designer who does the actual design/coding of the website.

For some reason the website worked on every browser bar internet explorer 9 I believe. We have fixed this but it does prove there must be something up.

I used to use Firefox till random plugin crashes a lot. I use Chrome now, but it does get occasional flash crashes if you have more than one flash video, game etc. running. And while apparently it claims it will stop tabs that crash and not effect the others it often isn't the case, often with one site causing the whole browser to freeze. It could be that my PC is getting on now, but I do think Chrome does have a little bit to go.

However, it is updated regularly. Who remembers the massive gap between internet explorer 6 and 7 coming with the brand new tab feature, Microsoft trying to make it sound brand new, with most people (at least technical people) knowing browsers like Firefox had had them a few years at least.

Microsoft might have gotten a little bit better in my opinion, updating software more often, usually yearly, but to me it isn't really enough. With new technologies coming on a regular basis, a company needs to be ahead of the game. Firefox might be going too far, releasing full new number versions with hardly any changes, but at least it means it is constantly working to improve the browser and add new features while as by the time Microsoft do create a new update, the stuff they've implemented is old, and there's new technology already out there.

[Jack!]

Internet Explorer users have a lower than average IQ, according to research by Consulting firm AptiQuant.

The study gave web surfers an IQ test, then plotted their scores against the browser they used.

IE surfers were found to have an average IQ lower than people using Chrome, Firefox and Safari. Users of Camino and Opera rated highest.

The report has sparked anger from IE supporters, who have threatened AptiQuant with legal action.

Researchers gave over 100,000 web surfers a free online IQ test. Scores were stored in a database along with each person's web browser data.

The results suggested that Internet Explorer surfers had an average IQ in the low eighties. Chrome, Firefox and Safari rated over 100, while minority browsers Opera and Camino had an "exceptionally higher" score of over 120.

AptiQuant stressed that using IE doesn't mean you have low intelligence. "What it really says is that if you have a low IQ then there are high chances that you use Internet Explorer," said AptiQuant CEO Leonard Howard.

The findings have been treated with scepticism by Professor David Spiegelhalter of Cambridge University's Statistical Laboratory: "They've got IE6 users with an IQ of around eighty. That's borderline deficient, marginally able to cope with the adult world.

"I believe these figures are implausibly low - and an insult to IE users."

However, Mr Howard said he didn't feel threatened by a lawsuit: "A win in a court would only give a stamp of approval and more credibility to our report."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14370878?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Threads merged by Recursion (Forum Moderator): Already posted.

[HotelUser]

Here here, a bad browser indeed!

[GommeInc]

Thread has been moved it seems, so may as well edit this to make some sort of sense :P

The article is dreadfully written and the one behind the study seems to be studying towards a Doctrate in Trollology. It's not really a convincing argument against IE and doesn't really go into the details of the test and what the people using IE do online. Chances are they are just happy using the browser and see no reason to do the quiz. Heck, maybe the majority of these casual "browsers" do not do quizzes or see their purpose, while younger, naive IE users maybe happy to do anything with the word "Test" on the webpage.

I would quite like to see what were the age ranges for the tests.

[FlyingJesus]

IE6 users =/= all IE users, people on IE8 scored far higher although admittedly still lower than a lot of alternatives. Report is written badly lol, but even so it's not a reason to ditch IE. That's like saying Rooney's an idiot therefore I shouldn't play football. The day a browser comes out that isn't ugly as sin or missing decent features (such as Chrome's apparent inability to even save recently typed addresses) I might switch, but currently me and my 155 IQ are fine with IE

[Recursion]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14370878?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Threads merged by Recursion (Forum Moderator): Already posted.

This report was ripped apart days ago by someone like GommeInc or GoldenMerc (I can't really remember who).


Here here, a bad browser indeed!

Stop trolling.

[HotelUser]

This report was ripped apart days ago by someone like GommeInc or GoldenMerc (I can't really remember who).



Stop trolling.

Contrary to popular belief Tom when someone disagrees with you it doesn't mean they're trolling every time.

Internet Explorer is a horrible browser and fails to adhere to the modern standards of web development.

On a side note why is your name purple? Dressing like a female in the help desk, purple forum name today - is there something you wish to tell us :P

[FlyingJesus]

brb waiting to see a page that I actually want to go on that doesn't work in IE

[HotelUser]

brb waiting to see a page that I actually want to go on that doesn't work in IE

Many web developers create modifications or even second versions of different fragments of source code just so their websites will be compatible with Internet Explorer. Often pages will load on Internet Explorer and will be at minimal functionality. IE8 users or even IE9 users will never browse the internet and observe that pages look as nice, and function as fluidly as they do on counterpart browsers because this is never the case. Even after developers have gone out of their way to create lengthy compatibility patches for Internet Explorer, Internet Explorer still doesn't support Text-Shadow, Border-Radius, Gradients, a variety of transparency in PNG images.

The users who use Internet Explorer are not power users. They're users who are using what is standard of their operating system. Educated internet users don't switch to Internet Explorer from alternative browsers for a better browsing experience. They only use it because it's the Windows flagship browser. When users want a better browsing experience they typically research and select an alternative browser to use. Rarely does the decision fall upon Internet Explorer because rarely this is a plausible alternative browser to use when there are clear betters.

[FlyingJesus]

Many web developers create modifications or even second versions of different fragments of source code just so their websites will be compatible with Internet Explorer.

Stopped here because basically what you're saying is that there's no need for me to change my browser, cheers. Really not bothered about text shadow and all that, I want my text to look like text not WordArt

[Recursion]

Stopped here because basically what you're saying is that there's no need for me to change my browser, cheers. Really not bothered about text shadow and all that, I want my text to look like text not WordArt

+Rep, agreed.

[HotelUser]

Stopped here because basically what you're saying is that there's no need for me to change my browser, cheers. Really not bothered about text shadow and all that, I want my text to look like text not WordArt

If you want to live in the dark and knowing use a crappy browser it's your own stupidity, go ahead :)

[iAdam]

Does this thread about text shadows really need this many pages?

Just do a work around, end of.

It's getting a bit silly, you can't get all people onto one platform, you're a developer, so develop.

[HotelUser]

Does this thread about text shadows really need this many pages?

Just do a work around, end of.

That is only one css attribute there are numerous IE hates especially IE 8 which millions of people still use. Not to mention all the headaches with Javascript and everything else. Look, specification wise, feature wise and performance wise it's a worse browser. What exactly are you trying to accomplish Adam? Are you trying to say there's nothing wrong with using it? That would concern me quite a lot because nobody in their right mind should recommend someone use something older outdated and worse in every category.

[iAdam]

Maybe there's millions of numerous issues because no one gives a damn about these things? I honestly couldn't care if there are certain css attributes or not, I doubt a user who can't be bothered to change browser cares either.

[HotelUser]

Maybe there's millions of numerous issues because no one gives a damn about these things? I honestly couldn't care if there are certain css attributes or not, I doubt a user who can't be bothered to change browser cares either.

A lot of people care. Meet the internet. You obviously care that I care when you're questioning why I care in the first place so I should tell you to take your own advice and not care what I say, if you're asking me why people care about IE in the first place...

[FlyingJesus]

Like I said, when I find a browser that works better and looks better and has the features I want I'll switch. Until then I don't need the latest and greatest in shiny lettering because there is nothing that requires it

[iAdam]

I don't care. I'm wondering why you care so much about effects and colours?