HXSS - isn't it supposed to be a competition?

[FlyingJesus]

I know it can't be easy organising a huge number of events all in a small space of time, but you know it's coming every year and you must know from past experience that this always happens. "This" being one team running away with the entire thing because absolutely everyone and their cat is in that one team.

The event I'm currently at (Island Attack) calls for a large number of participants, and so far quite literally 80% of people taking part have been on the green team, which puts them at something of a massive advantage. Would it not be a far better idea to make it actually be a competition by having equal numbers of people from each team to start with at these events? It seems remarkably unfair that yet again one team has all of the active entrants.

[j0rd]

Could we not have some sort of script when you go to join the permission groups that will randomly put you in a team?
I guess that it would make it more equal then

[Shadow-Mason]

You're right, I think there should be like four queues that when even they open the event.

[Chippiewill]

I agree with the randomisation idea. Green team is waaay ahead

[David]

*waits for green team to disagree*

Everyone joined green team, i think, because they won last year and people believe history will repeat itself.

Full of addicts (a)

[Inseriousity.]

It's impossible to have equal number of people on each team because it just ignores lots of other factors like activity. It is also impossible because there are people outside of Habbox who come to the events and join the loudest team. Another thing completely out of control of AGMs because loudest team isn't necessarily the one with the most but the one with the 'biggest' personalities.

Because it's such a big thing it's very hard to control. I remember my first year managing the green team and just because your team isn't the biggest doesn't mean you have to give up. You can keep fighting. There's two weeks, a lot can happen in two weeks!

[FlyingJesus]

I'm not saying membership ought to be done in equal numbers, I'm saying that entry to the actual events should be. As in if there's a 12 person event get the first 4 from each team that shows up, not 10 from green and 2 from whichever other team happens to show up. That way membership might even equalise itself anyway as people will be more willing to join the underrepresented teams in order to have more chance of getting to play

[AgnesIO]

Perhaps next time the prize should be for the top person from EACH team.

That way, it would be logical (if you want to win thrones), to not go in the team with masses of people..

[Inseriousity.]

I'm not saying membership ought to be done in equal numbers, I'm saying that entry to the actual events should be. As in if there's a 12 person event get the first 4 from each team that shows up, not 10 from green and 2 from whichever other team happens to show up. That way membership might even equalise itself anyway as people will be more willing to join the underrepresented teams in order to have more chance of getting to play

OH right! I see, that's actually a good idea now I know what you mean. It'd make the games fairer but it would still ignore other factors like which team has the biggest addicts so don't think it'll have much use in making hxss a fairer competition in the long term.

as for the prizes im sure they used to be like that (it was during my first year). dunno why that's been changed. i dont think the prizes thing has been worded very well tbh.

[xxMATTGxx]

Perhaps next time the prize should be for the top person from EACH team.

That way, it would be logical (if you want to win thrones), to not go in the team with masses of people..

So basically you believe a winner at the end from all FOUR teams should get at least a throne? As at the moment it's a winner from the top three teams.

[scott]

From the top 3? I was under the impression that it was the top 3 players over all :o!! Why only the top 3 though? Why not the top 4 that's only fair as they could work just as hard and get more points than the other team but nobody else in the team done anything so their team didn't win.

[AgnesIO]

So basically you believe a winner at the end from all FOUR teams should get at least a throne? As at the moment it's a winner from the top three teams.

Yeah one from each team - I don't see why one team shouldn't get anything - since the person who gets nothing could technically get the most points!

[FlyingJesus]

OH right! I see, that's actually a good idea now I know what you mean. It'd make the games fairer but it would still ignore other factors like which team has the biggest addicts so don't think it'll have much use in making hxss a fairer competition in the long term.

as for the prizes im sure they used to be like that (it was during my first year). dunno why that's been changed. i dont think the prizes thing has been worded very well tbh.

A team having the advantage of quality (assuming the addicts are actually good at what they do!) isn't nearly so unfair as having a numerical advantage whereby even in games of absolute luck the probability is tipped massively. A football game of 17 vs 5 would certainly not be sanctioned under any normal fair play rules :P also yeah not sure how prizes are being allocated, I didn't really pay much attention to that bit haha

[xxMATTGxx]

From the top 3? I was under the impression that it was the top 3 players over all :o!! Why only the top 3 though? Why not the top 4 that's only fair as they could work just as hard and get more points than the other team but nobody else in the team done anything so their team didn't win.


Yeah one from each team - I don't see why one team shouldn't get anything - since the person who gets nothing could technically get the most points!

Well we did think about the 4th person but what else you would give them just with the throne? As they wouldn't be able to get a trophy as there is only Gold, Silver and Bronze. Unless the 4th gets 1 throne, xx credits and VIP.

Also Scott, it was three people from the top three teams. So say If Red won, the top player in that would get the 1st prize. The team that came second, the top player from that would get 2nd prize and so on.

[Inseriousity.]

Well if the 17 were a bunch of fatties and the 5 were professional footballers, I think I'd put my bets on the 5. That was my point lol.

[Richie]

or you could just not have teams and make everyone be against one another, top 3 ppl win prizes. Every year it's the same lol ppl cry and take things to heart about small things, you get djs advertising their team on air, hosts being bias, black people being degraded even more. You can't win lol.

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Well if the 17 were a bunch of fatties and the 5 were professional footballers, I think I'd put my bets on the 5. That was my point lol.

A fat goal keeper? i think the pros would be losing, it'd be like trying to kick a ball through a brick wall or to be more detailed a brick wall made of jelly.

[Showder]

Hmmmmmmm , maybe should have equal teams. I think that would work. I haven't seen last year HxSS but I joined Green Team because I loved the colour green. Mind me :3

[Jordan]

I do like the idea of having an equal number of each team at the start of an events. It is a little ridiculous on the numbers in an event. Hopefully over the next year something can be done for 2012.

[MissAlice]

Surely every team should have a winner! Also every event should begin with equal numbers from each coloured team. Otherwise it is totally unfair.

I will happily donate say 200 credits for a 4th prize if it helps. Although I won't be taking part, I will be supporting the red team :P

[FlyingJesus]

I wonder if Matt would like to address the actual thread issue now that the prize worries seem to be sorted

[xxMATTGxx]

Surely every team should have a winner! Also every event should begin with equal numbers from each coloured team. Otherwise it is totally unfair.

I will happily donate say 200 credits for a 4th prize if it helps. Although I won't be taking part, I will be supporting the red team :P

The problem with the equal team numbers is that in some events, not all colours turn up so it would never been 100% equal for each team to have a go. So really, they should try their hardest to get into the events room and line up with a good amount of people from the team.

We will certainly add the 4th winner option and make sure a person from every team will win and your donation is a very kind offer and will be greatly appreciated.

[Chippiewill]

I wonder if Matt would like to address the actual thread issue now that the prize worries seem to be sorted
He has:

The green team membership has been closed temporarily due to a higher amount of members compared to the others. If you wish to join a team, join one of the others: Red, Blue or Black.

Please make this clear to the new members in the events who haven't joined a team yet.


@Matt Is that a Big Bang Theory reference in your signature?

[FlyingJesus]

The problem with the equal team numbers is that in some events, not all colours turn up

Yet there would be added incentive for those wishing to take part to join the smaller teams as they're more likely to 1) get into the event and 2) win the prize for top team member, so they would level off once people realise that they're better off not simply adding to the hordes of green

Cheers Will, oddly enough I can't see posts that haven't been submitted yet when I'm writing mine

[MissAlice]

The problem with the equal team numbers is that in some events, not all colours turn up so it would never been 100% equal for each team to have a go. So really, they should try their hardest to get into the events room and line up with a good amount of people from the team.

We will certainly add the 4th winner option and make sure a person from every team will win and your donation is a very kind offer and will be greatly appreciated.

I will put my thinking cap on, there is always a solution. My donation stands and I will get your attention on Habbo to hand it over.

Come on the reds ;)

[xxMATTGxx]

Yet there would be added incentive for those wishing to take part to join the smaller teams as they're more likely to 1) get into the event and 2) win the prize for top team member, so they would level off once people realise that they're better off not simply adding to the hordes of green

Cheers Will, oddly enough I can't see posts that haven't been submitted yet when I'm writing mine

Well no one can join green at the moment as we closed it. The other teams seem to be filling up in numbers quite nicely.


I will put my thinking cap on, there is always a solution. My donation stands and I will get your attention on Habbo to hand it over.

Come on the reds ;)

Thanks again and I've just replied to your IM on there! :)

[Chippiewill]

Cheers Will, oddly enough I can't see posts that haven't been submitted yet when I'm writing mine

It takes you three hours to write a post? "Today 06:42 PM" I knew you were bad at english.. but not this bad.

[FlyingJesus]

http://i51.tinypic.com/i70w01.png

Which 3 hours are those then? Also my English is immaculate so not sure what you're on about with either part of that post

[Chippiewill]

This one:
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/5443/numpty.png

Also the English comment, that was a reference to the time spent on the post (Supposing starting before Matt made the post). But further investigation does reveal that you missed your full-stop.

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah that's nothing to do with what this thread's about, did you actually read the original post? I'm not talking about making the overall team memberships more equal, I simply don't see how it's fair that there are massive amounts more green members per game than other teams, and feel that in an event which calls for let's say 8 players there ought to be 2 from each team not 7 greens then whoever else manages to get in line

[Chippiewill]

Yeah that's nothing to do with what this thread's about, did you actually read the original post? I'm not talking about making the overall team memberships more equal, I simply don't see how it's fair that there are massive amounts more green members per game than other teams, and feel that in an event which calls for let's say 8 players there ought to be 2 from each team not 7 greens then whoever else manages to get in line

Well, the imbalance is related to the fact that the green team has many more people. But yes, equal representation would make sense.

[Martin]

omg so many people are going for 'biggest moaner' in the HxSS awards already this year! :P

In regards to the prizes we are currently discussing a fourth rank prize to be added and this will likely be 300 credits, a forum award and 1 month forum vip. This will make it fair on all teams etc! Thanks to whoever brought that up and we will sort that now.

In regards to teams being in events, it is a problem every year really and one which is hard to combat. You cannot predict who will turn up at events and who won't, and less people tend to turn up to events if its all planned out with who is playing/who is not etc.

We did identify a problem earlier which was events organisers opening rooms too early allowing specific colours to gather in the queue making it unfair etc, however this has been addressed and will be resolved. If rooms are opened just before the event starts, its a case of first come first served really, and there isn't really a fair way of dictating who gets in and who doesnt if not all teams show up etc.

It's certainly something to think about for next year (I'm sure the same was probably said last year), however I agree the organisation of the fairness of events needs to be looked into. It's not something we will be putting into practice this year and we will just let it play out as usual, however we will discuss what could be improved on for next year once this years event is over. Feedback is always welcomed and we will do our best to look into it. The new prize rank will add even more chances of winning, and hopefully encourage people to be in teams etc. Matt has closed the green team to ensure team membership becomes fair and that teams equal themselves out a bit, and this normally does the trick.

It's all a lot of fun really, and very beneficial for introducing new members to habbox and our sites, and so it is indeed important that we put on a good show and show the community what Habbox is all about and the chances they have to win etc!

[Chippiewill]

If there's only one event at a time then perhaps a (universal) entrance room with teleporters to the event and a line for each team would work (Let in one from each team at a time to the room).

[Jordan]

If there's only one event at a time then perhaps a (universal) entrance room with teleporters to the event and a line for each team would work (Let in one from each team at a time to the room).

I was actually thinking that earlier and I was wondering if it was a good idea to mention. It could work with planning I guess and I would love to see it happen next year!

[FlyingJesus]

Definitely agree, oddly enough the only people who disagreed with having separate lines for each team when I said it at the event earlier were the green team :P

[Chippiewill]

Definitely agree, oddly enough the only people who disagreed with having separate lines for each team when I said it at the event earlier were the green team :P
I think the best way to get a good opinion of what is wanted is to remove the votes of the biggest and the smallest teams.

I guess you could also use it as a room for DJs to use so that it gets popular when not busy?

[MyNamesAbbey]

You Should Just Let The Staff Get On with what theyre doing I think they know, and tbh it shows that the green put more effort in dw, anyways.

[AgnesIO]

You Should Just Let The Staff Get On with what theyre doing I think they know, and tbh it shows that the green put more effort in dw, anyways.

With all due respect, and I know you are new, that is not at all true - if you understood the circumstances and the event more you would understand what I mean :)