[Uni Students Read!!]

[AgnesIO]

Tv License fees..

You are supposed to pay for a tv license fee for your room at university, but I was wondering how many people do?

Cheers

[Catzsy]

You don't need it for Iplayer/skyplayer etc etc only for watching live TV. That's what most people watch. :)

[Red]

You are meant to pay it. For halls they had a tv licence for the one in the living area but if you wanted one for your room yo uhad to buy your own. lmao Really don't think many people pay them though.

[AgnesIO]

You don't need it for Iplayer/skyplayer etc etc only for watching live TV. That's what most people watch. :)

Ah I just read it again, it mentioned online but then I realised it said if you watch them Live :P Watching them after they have been broadcast it fine.

[beth]

i bought one, £12.50 a month really isn't that much. especially when our whole student village was crawling with the tv licensing vans.

[Johno]

I've got a TV License, no point in getting caught out for such a little amount of money tbh.

[AgnesIO]

i bought one, £12.50 a month really isn't that much. especially when our whole student village was crawling with the tv licensing vans.

£150 which could be spend on more important things, though.


I've got a TV License, no point in getting caught out for such a little amount of money tbh.

I wasn't sure if you had to pay to watch on iPlayer etc - that is what I was checking. If you did that would be disgusting imo - it isn't like the government haven't already hit students with £27k fees.

[beth]

£150 which could be spend on more important things, though.



I wasn't sure if you had to pay to watch on iPlayer etc - that is what I was checking. If you did that would be disgusting imo - it isn't like the government haven't already hit students with £27k fees.

haha yeah could be spent elsewhere, but being hit with a grand fine for just watching tv would be even worse.
and you can get a refund for the months you aren't at uni.

[AgnesIO]

haha yeah could be spent elsewhere, but being hit with a grand fine for just watching tv would be even worse.
and you can get a refund for the months you aren't at uni.

How much TV do you watch live then?

I asked this for my sister, and I know she barely watches live tv. Just sky player, iplayer and stuff like that.

Out of interest, if she were to watch Sky Player and watch a live football match (on Sky Sports), would she then require a tv license?

[Recursion]

How much TV do you watch live then?

I asked this for my sister, and I know she barely watches live tv. Just sky player, iplayer and stuff like that.

Out of interest, if she were to watch Sky Player and watch a live football match (on Sky Sports), would she then require a tv license?

Short answer, yes.

[beth]

How much TV do you watch live then?

I asked this for my sister, and I know she barely watches live tv. Just sky player, iplayer and stuff like that.

Out of interest, if she were to watch Sky Player and watch a live football match (on Sky Sports), would she then require a tv license?

when i was at uni, i watched quite a bit of live tv in the second term, when you can't go out because of essays, having tv is quite a welcome distraction. and yeah she would.

[Johno]

How much TV do you watch live then?

I asked this for my sister, and I know she barely watches live tv. Just sky player, iplayer and stuff like that.

Out of interest, if she were to watch Sky Player and watch a live football match (on Sky Sports), would she then require a tv license?

Technically yes but not really. If she is using a laptop and has not plugged it in, then technically she is covered by the parent's/normally resident TV license. It's all very confusing, I decided it would be safest just to get it since I watch quite a bit of TV.

[DPS]

Way i see it you only pay it for bbc channels. GET RID OF BBC!

[Ajthedragon]

Way i see it you only pay it for bbc channels. GET RID OF BBC!

Totally agree. Privatise it!

Such an unnecessary burden!

[AgnesIO]

Totally agree. Privatise it!

Such an unnecessary burden!

Privatisation.

Because that has done the world so much good.

[Ajthedragon]

Privatisation.

Because that has done the world so much good.

ADVERTS. OH MY GOD MY LIFE IS OVER.

Privatising the BBC is hardly going to ruin the world.

[AgnesIO]

ADVERTS. OH MY GOD MY LIFE IS OVER.

Privatising the BBC is hardly going to ruin the world.

Privatising everything else turned about to be a bad idea in many places. Having said that, I cannot see how a privatised BBC would cause problems lol

And I will not watch a one hour program live if I have to watch adverts.

[Recursion]

Totally agree. Privatise it!

Such an unnecessary burden!

I don't think you realise how much more the BBC does other than broadcasting live TV and iPlayer.

[AgnesIO]

I don't think you realise how much more the BBC does other than broadcasting live TV and iPlayer.

Remember that those who want it privatised on here don't understand the subject anyway.

Certainly come across that way anyway

[Robi]

I'm just taking my iPad and buying Sky player for live football, win/win situation!

[Ajthedragon]

I don't think you realise how much more the BBC does other than broadcasting live TV and iPlayer.

I'm quite aware of its investments in freeview and broadcasting as a whole.

May I add that ITV also contributes to freeview, as well as both of the company's work in FreeSat and YouView.

Please don't patronise me.

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Remember that those who want it privatised on here don't understand the subject anyway.

Certainly come across that way anyway

lol. I understand it all right and I want it privatised. For me it's a welcomed tax cut!

[Recursion]

I'm quite aware of its investments in freeview and broadcasting as a whole.

May I add that ITV also contributes to freeview, as well as both of the company's work in FreeSat and YouView.

Please don't patronise me.

I think you'll find it does a whole lot more outside of the broadcasting industry, if I were you I would go and look it up.

[Ajthedragon]

I think you'll find it does a whole lot more outside of the broadcasting industry, if I were you I would go and look it up.

Yes, I'm quite aware. Nothing nobody else is capable of!

[Metric1]

We have to pay technology fees... $350.. it sucks

[AgnesIO]

I'm quite aware of its investments in freeview and broadcasting as a whole.

May I add that ITV also contributes to freeview, as well as both of the company's work in FreeSat and YouView.

Please don't patronise me.

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lol. I understand it all right and I want it privatised. For me it's a welcomed tax cut!

I take it you also approve of everything Thatcher privatised then.

I would be much more interested in a university fee cut than a privatised BBC. Do you watch any BBC programs, listen to any BBC radio shows at all? Or are you going to pretend you don't have ANYTHING to do with it?

[Ajthedragon]

I take it you also approve of everything Thatcher privatised then.

I would be much more interested in a university fee cut than a privatised BBC. Do you watch any BBC programs, listen to any BBC radio shows at all? Or are you going to pretend you don't have ANYTHING to do with it?

I don't actually, frankly I give the woman credit for making good of a bad situation, but the long-term effects have been these awful council estates and the loss of most industrialisation in Britain. I also disapprove of the fee's rise which you try and make out I love.

And yes, I do watch the BBC nearly 100% of the time when watching television and use the iPlayer loads. Although I still don't see why we should pay for it. It should be able to fund itself with advert revenue like ITV and the various other channels. Especially at a time when families are hard-up and struggling to meet the cost of living in some cases.

[AgnesIO]

I don't actually, frankly I give the woman credit for making good of a bad situation, but the long-term effects have been these awful council estates and the loss of most industrialisation in Britain. I also disapprove of the fee's rise which you try and make out I love.

And yes, I do watch the BBC nearly 100% of the time when watching television and use the iPlayer loads. Although I still don't see why we should pay for it. It should be able to fund itself with advert revenue like ITV and the various other channels. Especially at a time when families are hard-up and struggling to meet the cost of living in some cases.

It is far far too big to get funded by adverts alone..

It isn't live ITV or various other channels. It does more than TV, how do you suggest EVERYTHING is funded? Common sense shows it simply won't work..

[Ajthedragon]

It is far far too big to get funded by adverts alone..

It isn't live ITV or various other channels. It does more than TV, how do you suggest EVERYTHING is funded? Common sense shows it simply won't work..

That's unfair on all the other TV stations then surely? We don't subsidise them so they can become bigger.

And the BBC would obviously get other means of funding, through program sponsorship, international profits, television adverts, game shows (with those £1 text competitions, etc) and allocating funding on a cost-effective basis rather than wasting huge amounts on BBC proms.

[AgnesIO]

That's unfair on all the other TV stations then surely? We don't subsidise them so they can become bigger.

And the BBC would obviously get other means of funding, through program sponsorship, international profits, television adverts, game shows (with those £1 text competitions, etc) and allocating funding on a cost-effective basis rather than wasting huge amounts on BBC proms.

Life is unfair.

However, the fact is all the growth has already happened - once you have that growth and expansion you cannot suddenly stop your source of income - that is common knowledge.

Evidently those £1 text competitions already happen, so clearly they already use those and there are only so many they can use.

[Ajthedragon]

Life is unfair.

However, the fact is all the growth has already happened - once you have that growth and expansion you cannot suddenly stop your source of income - that is common knowledge.

Evidently those £1 text competitions already happen, so clearly they already use those and there are only so many they can use.

The BBC aren't allowed to use them unless they're for charity.

And yes, you're right, the income can't just stop. I'm not saying it should. If it were to be privatised if would need restructuring and shrank.

But clearly it can be done, that is also 'common knowledge'.

I wish you wouldn't try and demote my intelligence in your arguments.

[RyRy]

You should... But you don't, cuz you're a student ;) Just enjoy the abusive TV Licensing letters, they're so much fun.

[Neversoft]

How dare you not buy a television license. Do it for Queen and country.

And to Ajthedragon, stop spurting nonsense. I don't think you quite understand how huge the BBC actually is and what goes on behind the scenes. Television would absolutely suck if it was privatized.

[AgnesIO]

How dare you not buy a television license. Do it for Queen and country.

And to Ajthedragon, stop spurting nonsense. I don't think you quite understand how huge the BBC actually is and what goes on behind the scenes. Television would absolutely suck if it was privatized.

Don't say that, you are insulting his intelligence :rolleyes: lol

[tdi]

You get enough in your student loan, just pay it. On the other hand, don't - and report back when you get prosecuted so we can all share a laugh at your expense.

[AgnesIO]

You get enough in your student loan, just pay it. On the other hand, don't - and report back when you get prosecuted so we can all share a laugh at your expense.

Do you go to uni?

You don't seem to understand how far student loan gets.

[Catzsy]

Do you go to uni?

You don't seem to understand how far student loan gets.

I would not even bother, Dom. A pretty uninformed statement if ever I heard one. Most of my friends don't watch live TV because of the cost of the licence.

[AgnesIO]

I would not even bother, Dom. A pretty uninformed statement if ever I heard one. Most of my friends don't watch live TV because of the cost of the licence.

Thanks, Rosie :)

[Metric1]

You get as much of a student loan as you need if you qualify. I don't qualify for student loans so I don't know how much you get but I know people that do and they have tons of money left over once their expenses are paid. Also, what if you don't qualify for a full student loan or any loan at all you can get a student line of credit, you just pay the interest every month.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Way i see it you only pay it for bbc channels. GET RID OF BBC!


Totally agree. Privatise it!

Such an unnecessary burden!

Amen to these.


Privatising everything else turned about to be a bad idea in many places.

No it didn't; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent


And to Ajthedragon, stop spurting nonsense. I don't think you quite understand how huge the BBC actually is and what goes on behind the scenes. Television would absolutely suck if it was privatized.

If the BBC is such a great service as you claim it is, then it'll have no problem with competition.

[AgnesIO]

Amen to these.



It has, best example is Chile, the only developed economy in South America while the likes of socialist, nationalised Venezuela and co. are empty shells.



No it didn't; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

Yes it did.

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You get as much of a student loan as you need if you qualify. I don't qualify for student loans so I don't know how much you get but I know people that do and they have tons of money left over once their expenses are paid. Also, what if you don't qualify for a full student loan or any loan at all you can get a student line of credit, you just pay the interest every month.

My sisters Student Loan will not stretch to what she needs. The bank of mummy and daddy will - but that doesn't make it right.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yes it did.

Is history inconvenient here or something?

I always find it strange whenever somebody calls for the sacred cows of the BBC or NHS to be broken up/people given an opt-out, some strangely seem to rally around these bloated and wasteful organisations as though television would end and healthcare would vanish.

[e5]

Yeah fine to watch on the iplayers etc, and its also legal to download tv programs that have already been broadcasted on TV :)

[AgnesIO]

Is history inconvenient here or something?

I always find it strange whenever somebody calls for the sacred cows of the BBC or NHS to be broken up/people given an opt-out, some strangely seem to rally around these bloated and wasteful organisations as though television would end and healthcare would vanish.

Stop pretending the BBC only deals with BBC 1/2/3/4 tv channels (is there a 4?)

[Neversoft]

If the BBC is such a great service as you claim it is, then it'll have no problem with competition.

SOMEONE ORDER ME A FACEPALM.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Stop pretending the BBC only deals with BBC 1/2/3/4 tv channels (is there a 4?)

I'm not discussing what or how many channels the BBC has or doesn't have, i'm discussing removing its unfair and forced monopoly tax.


SOMEONE ORDER ME A FACEPALM.

If its as popular as you lot claim, then it will have no problem against rivals. If not, in which case the idea that the BBC is 'simply great' is proved wrong, why should we be forced to subsidise your television tastes? The answer is that we shouldn't.

[AgnesIO]

I'm not discussing what or how many channels the BBC has or doesn't have, i'm discussing removing its unfair and forced monopoly tax.



If its as popular as you lot claim, then it will have no problem against rivals. If not, in which case the idea that the BBC is 'simply great' is proved wrong, why should we be forced to subsidise your television tastes? The answer is that we shouldn't.

I was pointing out that the BBC does more than ******* television and radio, so you need to do a bit of research.

Also, brilliant idea. Lets privatise healthcare. Didn't realise you could afford the huge hospital bills to be honest.

[Plebings]

Does your flat have a shared TV? Don't see the point of getting a TV license for myself personally, if not why don't you all pool in money, and if you do then stick with that! Is £100+ worth it for live TV when you have iPlayer, etc.

[Ajthedragon]

Don't say that, you are insulting his intelligence :rolleyes: lol

You're funny!!! Sorry my conservative, right-wing views are not those of the majority on this forum.

I'm allowed my views and can validly back them up, and so I think the BBC should be broken up, the government taking responsibility for digital and other British services while the BBC is privatised and made to compete with all other broadcasters, television, radio, red button, whatever.

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If its as popular as you lot claim, then it will have no problem against rivals. If not, in which case the idea that the BBC is 'simply great' is proved wrong, why should we be forced to subsidise your television tastes? The answer is that we shouldn't.

Too correct.

[AgnesIO]

You're funny!!! Sorry my conservative, right-wing views are not those of the majority on this forum.

I'm allowed my views and can validly back them up, and so I think the BBC should be broken up, the government taking responsibility for digital and other British services while the BBC is privatised and made to compete with all other broadcasters, television, radio, red button, whatever.

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Too correct.

Oh I know, thanks for pointing it out :)

Hate to say it, but the views of the three leading parties are all so similar there is virtually no differentiation of the three parties. When the Conservatives privatise the BBC and Labour disagree I will talk.

[Metric1]

Yes it did.

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My sisters Student Loan will not stretch to what she needs. The bank of mummy and daddy will - but that doesn't make it right.

I never said anything about "the bank of mummy and daddy" I said you can get a student line of credit, which comes from the bank, to pay for whatever your student loan won't cover.

[AgnesIO]

I never said anything about "the bank of mummy and daddy" I said you can get a student line of credit, which comes from the bank, to pay for whatever your student loan won't cover.

Never heard of a 'student line of credit' lol.

I was referring to my family about the bank of mummy and daddy thing - pointing out that although my parents can pay for it, why should they?

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Er are you sure that isn't just Canada or something?

[Ajthedragon]

Oh I know, thanks for pointing it out :)

Hate to say it, but the views of the three leading parties are all so similar there is virtually no differentiation of the three parties. When the Conservatives privatise the BBC and Labour disagree I will talk.

I was talking about conservatism, not Conservatism.

And that won't happen, they don't have the balls.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I was pointing out that the BBC does more than ******* television and radio, so you need to do a bit of research.

Also, brilliant idea. Lets privatise healthcare. Didn't realise you could afford the huge hospital bills to be honest.

I know the BBC does lots of things, just as Sky and other channels do with Sports brands and so forth. This however is not a debate over what the BBC does or wishes to do, this is a debate over whether its right to force people who may not want to buy a certain product, to buy it via force of taxation. That is wrong and any free society should utterly reject it.

As for healthcare that works, please see Singapore/the old British model/the old American model.

[Metric1]

In Canada they're very common.. your parents have to be pretty poor for you to qualify for a student loan. I know of people who have 1 parent who work a regular job and they don't qualify. Your parents are expected to pay over here.

[GommeInc]

In Canada they're very common.. your parents have to be pretty poor for you to qualify for a student loan. I know of people who have 1 parent who work a regular job and they don't qualify. Your parents are expected to pay over here.
I've heard this before from American family friends who have discussed the British educational system. Quite a few of my friends have gotten jobs to pay for University or as an extra income on top of a student loan. Unfortunately there's not that many jobs available or they cannot find the time tog et jobs even at part-time. Then you get some who moan constantly and expect to be spoon fed. Parents could pay but obviously we're discussing different economical factors and ways of living.

[AgnesIO]

In Canada they're very common.. your parents have to be pretty poor for you to qualify for a student loan. I know of people who have 1 parent who work a regular job and they don't qualify. Your parents are expected to pay over here.

Over here, that isn't how it works. You have to remember, in the UK literally no families have had college funds (like a lot do in the US)?, as at £9k for three years it was manageable, now that has trippled no one has 27k just lying around - people live to their incomes, so to suddenl?y have to pay out 27k without expecting it is a big deal.

[tdi]

Do you go to uni?

You don't seem to understand how far student loan gets.

I don't go to uni. I was more implying that for the cost of a television licence it's merely a drop in the ocean. Many people I know with student loans put it towards personal items as much as educational ones. I'm not saying 'scrap student finance' because that's unfair. As it was mentioned the US commonly has 'college funds' whereas we do not. I believe that student finance should be kept, but should be monitored so people aren't buying televisions and cars out of it.

I was more so amused at the fact that OP was asking if he should pay for it rather than should he get one or not.

[AgnesIO]

I don't go to uni. I was more implying that for the cost of a television licence it's merely a drop in the ocean. Many people I know with student loans put it towards personal items as much as educational ones. I'm not saying 'scrap student finance' because that's unfair. As it was mentioned the US commonly has 'college funds' whereas we do not. I believe that student finance should be kept, but should be monitored so people aren't buying televisions and cars out of it.

I was more so amused at the fact that OP was asking if he should pay for it rather than should he get one or not.

I was the OP..

Well if I pay for it I get one, if I don't pay for it I don't get one?

It is the same ******* thing? :S

[Recursion]

I know the BBC does lots of things, just as Sky and other channels do with Sports brands and so forth. This however is not a debate over what the BBC does or wishes to do, this is a debate over whether its right to force people who may not want to buy a certain product, to buy it via force of taxation. That is wrong and any free society should utterly reject it.

As for healthcare that works, please see Singapore/the old British model/the old American model.

Yet again, the BBC does a lot of things besides their main media organisation. They do all sorts for schools for example, which I can tell you now, SKY don't.

There are a lot of good/bad taxes depending on people's views, like why on earth we pay Value Added Tax on a fuel tax, for example. If you don't want to pay a tax, don't, but the law will come down on you eventually, if you don't like it that much you could always emigrate :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

Yet again, the BBC does a lot of things besides their main media organisation. They do all sorts for schools for example, which I can tell you now, SKY don't.

Many companies do many things, B&Q were involved in my primary school for example.


There are a lot of good/bad taxes depending on people's views, like why on earth we pay Value Added Tax on a fuel tax, for example. If you don't want to pay a tax, don't, but the law will come down on you eventually, if you don't like it that much you could always emigrate :P

Well as with many other things, the reason we have Value Added Tax is for the simple reason that the European Union requires that we do so. However, in terms of taxes - look, i'm not an anarchist. I realise that we need taxes for certain things and we do need a government. I am simply questioning and arguing against a television company having the rights to acquire public money via force. You like the BBC, I don't - you have as much right to demand pay for BBC services as I do in deciding what colour your bedroom is.

Individuals should have the right to decide what television services they wish to have - thats not an unreasonable request.

[tdi]

I was the OP..

Well if I pay for it I get one, if I don't pay for it I don't get one?

It is the same ******* thing? :S

My apologies, I meant 'should I pay for my licence or not, I'm going to watch TV anyway' although I worded it incorrectly.

[AgnesIO]

My apologies, I meant 'should I pay for my licence or not, I'm going to watch TV anyway' although I worded it incorrectly.

Again, that isn't what I said.

[tdi]

That is indeed what you were implying.

[Metric1]

My mom and dad split my schooling costs. My dad pays our tuition and my mom pays the mortgage on the house and all other expenses. We go to the same school so my mom figured it would be a lot cheaper to buy a house instead of paying rent for 4 people to somebody else. So the house is $2500 a month including bills.

Housing: $30000
Tuition for me and my 3 brothers: $18000
Tuition for my sister (international student): $12000
Residence for Ashley: $4500 (so she can meet people)
so this year just for schooling related expenses it's close to $65000.

that doesn't include books, food, spending money, gas, insurance..

Thank god for savings!!

[AgnesIO]

That is indeed what you were implying.

Sorry I forgot you knew more than me about myself?

[peteyt]

Yeah fine to watch on the iplayers etc, and its also legal to download tv programs that have already been broadcasted on TV :)

Since when. I hate it when people who claim downloading films are illegal but TV shows are fine.

If it was legal to download tv shows after airing then why would they bother selling the DVDs?

[AgnesIO]

Since when. I hate it when people who claim downloading films are illegal but TV shows are fine.

If it was legal to download tv shows after airing then why would they bother selling the DVDs?

Might be worth noting, if you watch a video on iPlayer while it is live it asks if you have a tv license. If you don't watch live, it doesn't ask..

[e5]

Since when. I hate it when people who claim downloading films are illegal but TV shows are fine.

If it was legal to download tv shows after airing then why would they bother selling the DVDs?

You wouldn't necessarily find programs aired on the TV in a store. Really old programs, that you wouldn't find on the shelves or on the iplayers, then you would look to download it to watch it again.

You pay for your tv license, to be able to watch tv programs, therefore effectively paying to watch that program through different ways, and so it makes it legal to download the program once it has been shown already.

[peteyt]

You wouldn't necessarily find programs aired on the TV in a store. Really old programs, that you wouldn't find on the shelves or on the iplayers, then you would look to download it to watch it again.

You pay for your tv license, to be able to watch tv programs, therefore effectively paying to watch that program through different ways, and so it makes it legal to download the program once it has been shown already.

While some programs might be hard to get hold of as far as I know its still illegal. Of course the chances of getting caught are slim.

[Recursion]

Personally I don't see the problem people have at Uni. You can use your parent's home TV license if you simply unplug your laptop whilst watching live TV.