iPhone 5 / iPhone4s

[Lost_Addict]

As many know apple have a yearly release and much speculation has been going around about the new iPhone but Huzzah! Apple have a meeting today and will (hopefully) release all kinds of information.

Speculation is that the new iPhone will be avalible around October 28th

Please post with any updates or announcements :)

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[Recursion]

I'm doubting the 5, I reckon it'll be a 4S, hopefully just in time for my contract renewal in November, otherwise it'll be a Galaxy S2 lol.

[AgnesIO]

I'm doubting the 5, I reckon it'll be a 4S, hopefully just in time for my contract renewal in November, otherwise it'll be a Galaxy S2 lol.

Basically the next gen iPhone lol

Has been some speculation of an iPhone 4S, which could be cheaper than the current iPhone - but to me that wouldn't encourage current owners to buy a new iPhone - as a cheaper price would make people think it is worse.

I am expecting an iPad 2/3GS/iPod Touch style design though - moving back to the old curved back. However it will be thin, probably with the same aluminium back as the iPad 2. Could be..?

[AgnesIO]

The Apple Store is now down.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/04/yes-the-apple-store-is-down/
http://store.apple.com/uk (http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/04/yes-the-apple-store-is-down/)

[Mathew]

40 mins to go! Announcement about iOS 5 plspls!!

[AgnesIO]

40 mins to go! Announcement about iOS 5 plspls!!

What? iOS 5 was released months back wasn't it? :P

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This made me laugh on engadget..

"11:11AM Also, if you're in the Cupertino area for the next half-hour or so, swing by and say hello. We're the pair of dudes near the front with Android handsets."

[xxMATTGxx]

What? iOS 5 was released months back wasn't it? :P

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This made me laugh on engadget..

"11:11AM Also, if you're in the Cupertino area for the next half-hour or so, swing by and say hello. We're the pair of dudes near the front with Android handsets."

I'm pretty sure it was just Beta, I don't think even GM has been released yet.

[N!ck]

It is 100% an iPhone 4S, not an iPhone 5. The Japanese Apple website leaked it accidentally. The base model starts at a lower price than the iPhone 4.

[AgnesIO]

I'm pretty sure it was just Beta, I don't think even GM has been released yet.

Oh yeah!

It isn't officially rolled out yet, probably today then haha

iMessage.. iCloud..

[xxMATTGxx]

iPhone 4
http://storeimages.apple.com/1990/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/step1-iphone4-black?wid=123&hei=211&fmt=png-alpha&qlt=95


iPhone 4s
http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/iphone-4s-on-apple-website-black.png?w=123&h=211

Think I got that in the right order? Basically it's from: http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/04/iphone-4s-images-appear-on-apples-website/

[AgnesIO]

It is 100% an iPhone 4S, not an iPhone 5. The Japanese Apple website leaked it accidentally. The base model starts at a lower price than the iPhone 4.

Can someone do me a favour and tell me what S stands for? Slim, Super, ****..? :P

Sony Tablet S
Samsung Galaxy S
iPhone 4S ... anyone? :P

So are we expecting an improved iPhone 4 still?

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iPhone 4
http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/iphone-4-on-apple-website-black1.png?w=123&h=211


iPhone 4s
http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/iphone-4s-on-apple-website-black.png?w=123&h=211

They look identical? Like the same images? :P

[xxMATTGxx]

Can someone do me a favour and tell me what S stands for? Slim, Super, ****..? :P

Sony Tablet S
Samsung Galaxy S
iPhone 4S ... anyone? :P

So are we expecting an improved iPhone 4 still?

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They look identical? Like the same images? :P

Go back I edited my post, was having issues trying to get the right ones in the post. Go to the article at; http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/04/iphone-4s-images-appear-on-apples-website/

[Mr-Trainor]

Go back I edited my post, was having issues trying to get the right ones in the post. Go to the article at; http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/04/iphone-4s-images-appear-on-apples-website/
http://storeimages.apple.com/1990/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/step1-iphone4s-black?wid=123&hei=211&fmt=png-alpha&qlt=95 http://storeimages.apple.com/1990/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/step1-iphone4-black?wid=123&hei=211&fmt=png-alpha&qlt=95

iPhone 4s - iPhone 4

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Can someone do me a favour and tell me what S stands for? Slim, Super, ****..? :P

Sony Tablet S
Samsung Galaxy S
iPhone 4S ... anyone? :P

So are we expecting an improved iPhone 4 still?

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They look identical? Like the same images? :P
Maybe 'Successor' :P? But I suppose that wouldn't work for the Sony tablet. Would work for the iPhone though,

[iLogan]

Will we be able to watch it live?

[AgnesIO]

http://storeimages.apple.com/1990/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/step1-iphone4s-black?wid=123&hei=211&fmt=png-alpha&qlt=95 http://storeimages.apple.com/1990/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/step1-iphone4-black?wid=123&hei=211&fmt=png-alpha&qlt=95

iPhone 4s - iPhone 4

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Maybe 'Successor' :P? But I suppose that wouldn't work for the Sony tablet. Would work for the iPhone though,

They look identical haha

Yeah it could be, I just want to know what it means haha

Another amusing comment on engadget..

"12:41PM Just saw that Apple's Japanese website is showing an October 14th launch date for the iPhone 4S. Guess we'll be hearing more about that guy soon!"

[Mr-Trainor]

Will we be able to watch it live?No, they're not streaming it live. However, many sites will have live feeds with text/pictures - eg Macrumors.com which I'll be using :D.

[AgnesIO]

Will we be able to watch it live?

I think you can if you have an iPad/Mac

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Oh maybe not then - I read something about Mac/iPad :P

[iBlueBox]

I think you can if you have an iPad/Mac

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Oh maybe not then - I read something about Mac/iPad :P

There not streaming this event live this time around.

[AgnesIO]

Will we be able to watch it live?

I recommend reading: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/04/apples-lets-talk-iphone-keynote-liveblog/

P (http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/04/apples-lets-talk-iphone-keynote-liveblog/)ictures and text blog :)

[Stephen]

just gotta wait 30 minutes til he stops saying apple is better than windows

[AgnesIO]

just gotta wait 30 minutes til he stops saying apple is better than windows

To be expected haha

Obviously the stats are being used to make Apple look great, but they would hardly make it sound as if they are number one :P

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Just so everyone knows, the iPhone is not a smartphone.

[Stephen]

ahhhhh engadget just died

[AgnesIO]

I know :P
They better fix it soon :(

The wait would be ruined..

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Was back up.

And gone again.

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Seems to be the blog that is dying, not engadget..

[AgnesIO]

Get iOS 5 October 12th!

[Jordan]

woo i cant wait

[Stephen]

omg im excited :O

[AgnesIO]

I like how they are repeating what was released at WWDC. Just for any brain dead Apple fans.

[Mathew]

OMG WOOOOOO! A week on Saturday! :D

[Mark]

Is the launch not in 4 hours?

[AgnesIO]

Common Occurrence in price drops..

$30 price drop on iPod Touch 8GB
$20 price drop on iPod Nano 8GB and 16GB

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iPhone 4S announced.

[Mr-Trainor]

iPod Nano:
- Multi-touch display can be displayed with large icons rather than 4 smaller icons, per page.
- 16 new clock faces
Price: 8GB $129/16GB $149


iPod Touch:
- iOS 5 (ofc)
- iCloud
- Available in white
Price: 8GB $199/32GB $299/64GB &399


iPhone:
- 'iPhone 4S'
- A5 Processor
- 2x faster than before
- Dual-core graphics, 7x faster than before

They're now doing a demo to demonstrate the change in speed.

[AgnesIO]

A5 dual core processor - shock.
Same design as previous iPhone 4
Up to 7x faster graphics

[Mr-Trainor]

The only price change for the iPod Touch seems to be that the 8GB model is now $30 cheaper.

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iPhone 4S Battery Life:
- 8 hours 3G talk time
- 6 hours browsing
- - 9 on wifi
- 10 hours video
- 40 hours music

[AgnesIO]

The only price change for the iPod Touch seems to be that the 8GB model is now $30 cheaper.

Have they not all changed, or is it just the Touch - they didn't mention the others..

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Is it just me, who thinks 6 hours 3G internet is quite poor - can't remember the standard mind..

[Mr-Trainor]

Have they not all changed, or is it just the Touch - they didn't mention the others..

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Is it just me, who thinks 6 hours 3G internet is quite poor - can't remember the standard mind..
There were some changes to the Nano but nothing in terms of the design of it.

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2x faster downloads on the 4S.
"even better call quality"
"Our engineering system has worked really hard at advancing the state of the art... it can now intelligently switch between the two antennas between transmit and receive."

[AgnesIO]

There were some changes to the Nano but nothing in terms of the design of it.

I meant have not all the Touches changed or is it just the 8GB touch - my bad :P

[Mr-Trainor]

I meant have not all the Touches changed or is it just the 8GB touch - my bad :PWell I went on to the Apple website and checked the US prices, and compared to what engadget posted and only the 8GB one seems to have changed :P.

[AgnesIO]

"2:02PM Phil's taking a shot against the Atrix, Thrill, and Inspire 4G. "The iPhone 4S is just as fast as these phones."

Er, surely you want it to be faster?

[Mr-Trainor]

Comparing to the iPhone 4,
the 4S 3G talktime has gone up by an hour, but the wifi browsing has gone down by an hour (from 10, to 9).

[Recursion]

Bit of a poor show really hardware-wise.

[Mr-Trainor]

- New camera
- - 8MP camera
- - 60% more pixels
- - backside illumination, 73% more light
- - 33% faster capture
- - Hybrid IR filter, better colour accuracy, more colour uniformity
- - five element lens, 30% more sharpness
- - f/2.4 aperture
- - face detection
- - 26% better white balana
- Video recording
- - 1080p
- - video image stabilization
- - temportal noise reduction

[Lost_Addict]

I need to know prices as i'm deffo buying it as i'm still on Iphone 3G XD

[Mr-Trainor]

I need to know prices as i'm deffo buying it as i'm still on Iphone 3G XDYea lol.. shouldn't be to long now :P!

- Voice/Siri/Assistant
- - Beta for English (UK,US,Australia), French, German

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On contract:
Black and white versions 16GB: $199, 32GB for $299, 64GB for $399.
"The 3GS and iPhone 4 will live on. The 4 is now $99 for 8GB. The 8GB 3GS will be free -- on contract."

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- Pre orders begin 7th October
- Releases 14th October (US,Canada,Australia,UK,France,Germany,Japan)
- Released 28th October in 22 more countries; 77 by the end of the year on over 100 carriers

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No iPhone 5 then!

[iBlueBox]

I really don't know if its worth upgrading from an iPhone 4 to an iPhone 4S...

[AgnesIO]

I really don't know if its worth upgrading from an iPhone 4 to an iPhone 4S...

In short, I don't think so.

Just wait for the five if you want to upgrade.

[Mr-Trainor]

"You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/uk/" on this server."

Was working a min ago :(.

[Lost_Addict]

Agreed if you have 4 dont bother with 4s however i'm on 3G meaning i've already missed the 3Gs and 4 so i'm all up for getting it. any idea of price not on contract?

[Mr-Trainor]

Agreed if you have 4 dont bother with 4s however i'm on 3G meaning i've already missed the 3Gs and 4 so i'm all up for getting it. any idea of price not on contract?Probably be what the iPhone 4 was.

[Lost_Addict]

I didn't have an iPhone 4 so i'm unaware of the prices completley XD

[AgnesIO]

A bit of a lame upgrade - 15 months to release something that has been available on Android since January?

[Mr-Trainor]

I didn't have an iPhone 4 so i'm unaware of the prices completley XD
16GB: £510
32GB: £612

iPhone 4 prices were something like that if you were buying directly from Apple.

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Apple's stocks have fallen
but their website is back up again :D.

[iBlueBox]

Yeah, I've always upgraded every two gens.

I've only had the iPhone 4 since christmas. Can wait, the thing whats really attracting to the iPhone 4S is Siri.

[Lost_Addict]

Damn pricey indeed. i was hoping the 32gb would be around the 500 pound mark,

[AgnesIO]

Yeah, I've always upgraded every two gens.

I've only had the iPhone 4 since christmas. Can wait, the thing whats really attracting to the iPhone 4S is Siri.

Voice recognition is SO overrated :P

Seriously, you will barely use it imo, you will hardly stand in the middle of the street giving your phone voice commands. Will it work with background noice?

[Recursion]

Yeah, I've always upgraded every two gens.

I've only had the iPhone 4 since christmas. Can wait, the thing whats really attracting to the iPhone 4S is Siri.

Android has had a form of voice commands for yonks (and to some extent the iPhone too? Not sure) seriously it's a gimmick unless you have some sort of physical disability.

[HotelUser]

Absolutely awesome handset with the dual core chip :)

[Jordan]

After waiting half a year because I left my ipod on a beach, I'm stuck on an ipod colour, im about to pre order it and im like, black, or white?? They both look great.

[GommeInc]

I like how they are repeating what was released at WWDC. Just for any brain dead Apple fans.
Or in other words - Apple fans *ba dum cha*

So nothing significant coming from Apple in the tech world then? This event is hardly worth the hype. Also, I think S used to mean speed. When the 3GS was released the UK ads used to end with "The 'S' stands for 'speed'".

[HotelUser]

Or in other words - Apple fans *ba dum cha*

So nothing significant coming from Apple in the tech world then? This event is hardly worth the hype. Also, I think S used to mean speed. When the 3GS was released the UK ads used to end with "The 'S' stands for 'speed'".

Pretty sure Microsoft, Google and the likes all repeat what they say at presentations etc. Nothing significant? Speak for yourself not Apple because they're going to make a killing selling this thing :P

[GommeInc]

Pretty sure Microsoft, Google and the likes all repeat what they say at presentations etc. Nothing significant? Speak for yourself not Apple because they're going to make a killing selling this thing :P
Of course it will sell, but it's not anything special in the tech world, releasing out of date tech :P If it had something amazing and unique it would be significant, but this is only of interest to people who want to see a fruit logo on a piece tech :P

[HotelUser]

Of course it will sell, but it's not anything special in the tech world, releasing out of date tech :P If it had something amazing and unique it would be significant, but this is only of interest to people who want to see a fruit logo on a piece tech :P

I could say the exact same thing (if I wanted) about Windows 8, Google Plus, or many many products from many companies. The problem here is quite simple, you pretty much just hate Apple and everything they do :P

[GommeInc]

I could say the exact same thing (if I wanted) about Windows 8, Google Plus, or many many products from many companies. The problem here is quite simple, you pretty much just hate Apple and everything they do :P
No they're new, the iPhone 4S isn't anything amazing :P Windows 8 = restructuring of the Windows platform, new features etc. Google Plus is a nice mix of Twitter and Facebook where you do not have to add friends or subscriptions, you just add to circles. All the iPhone 4S is, is a piece of technology only interesting to Apple users. It's nothing new to the tech world, considering Android devices have virtually all those features for ages. It isn't innovative, is basically what I'm saying :P

[HotelUser]

No they're new, the iPhone 4S isn't anything amazing :P Windows 8 = restructuring of the Windows platform, new features etc. Google Plus is a nice mix of Twitter and Facebook where you do not have to add friends or subscriptions, you just add to circles. All the iPhone 4S is, is a piece of technology only interesting to Apple users. It's nothing new to the tech world, considering Android devices have virtually all those features for ages. It isn't innovative, is basically what I'm saying :P

One could argue Windows 8 isn't anything new because we've had other mobile platforms for a long time, especially considering this (http://www.slashgear.com/windows-8-on-arm-wont-run-x86-apps-microsoft-admits-16180415/) (I'm not saying that's what I believe Matt and Tom and other Microsofts, relax ;)!) however it would be a similar stance to go along with what you're saying.

Apple never really advertised this to be something huge did they? If it was meant to be a big transition it would have been dubbed the 5 right? Also most phones aren't dual core, most phones don't don't have at first glance anything like the voice recognition. Did you want them to push out a 12MP camera and quad core phone now? I think a dual core handset with a refined camera is just right for the 4S, and will make a lot of iPhone users really happy.

You can't forget, this is also significant because it means iOS 5 is surly making its non beta public appearance soon too, and that in itself is absolutely huge.

[GommeInc]

One could argue Windows 8 isn't anything new because we've had other mobile platforms for a long time, especially considering this (http://www.slashgear.com/windows-8-on-arm-wont-run-x86-apps-microsoft-admits-16180415/) (I'm not saying that's what I believe Matt and Tom and other Microsofts, relax ;)!) however it would be a similar stance to go along with what you're saying.

Apple never really advertised this to be something huge did they? If it was meant to be a big transition it would have been dubbed the 5 right? Also most phones aren't dual core, most phones don't don't have at first glance anything like the voice recognition. Did you want them to push out a 12MP camera and quad core phone now? I think a dual core handset with a refined camera is just right for the 4S, and will make a lot of iPhone users really happy.

You can't forget, this is also significant because it means iOS 5 is surly making its non beta public appearance soon too, and that in itself is absolutely huge.
But they're not innovative are they? ;) iOS5 looks and sounds as though it's a replica of Android :P This event wasn't made huge by Apple, but it's fans made this event bigger than what it really is - which is sort of my point, the hype hasn't reaped anything interesting to the tech world, which let's face it, Apple haven't done since the release of the iPhone/iPad. Windows 8 is something new and attempting to do something innovative and unique with the layout of tablets - a real OS on a mobile device - which Microsoft seem to be the only company attempting to do this.

So as you've made clear, this event is only really interesting to people wanting to see an Apple logo on a device which isn't filled with anything unique, and the OS coming soon on it is equally uninteresting.

[HotelUser]

But they're not innovative are they? ;) iOS5 looks and sounds as though it's a replica of Android :P This event wasn't made huge by Apple, but it's fans made this event bigger than what it really is - which is sort of my point, the hype hasn't reaped anything interesting to the tech world, which let's face it, Apple haven't done since the release of the iPhone/iPad. Windows 8 is something new and attempting to do something innovative and unique with the layout of tablets - a real OS on a mobile device - which Microsoft seem to be the only company attempting to do this.

So as you've made clear, this event is only really interesting to people wanting to see an Apple logo on a device which isn't filled with anything unique, and the OS coming soon on it is equally uninteresting.

You're saying Microsoft is the only one trying to do something innovative? They do everything five years after everyone else, so I assume you're just joking - and only metro UI apps will be cross compatible on ARM so I guess no Grand Theft Auto IV on my Windows tablet as planned, it is infact extremely so a mobile platform.

If this is a duplicate of Android so is WebOS, and so is Windows Phone 7 (minus the fact that neither actually has any applications or direct future). The features in iOS 5 are not rips from Android as you would have everyone believe, not at all. Things like notification center are natural things all mobile platforms should have. Also it's funny because I don't remember my Android machines having thumb keyboards, wifi syncing, native system integrated push peer messaging or whatever that Apple voice tool is that Engadget says works excellently.

Atleast my hate for RIM and Blackberry devices can be justified now because the company is actually dying. Your hate for Apple? I see absolutely no basis for it here my friend because this is infact a very big new product from Apple!

[GommeInc]

You're saying Microsoft is the only one trying to do something innovative? They do everything five years after everyone else, so I assume you're just joking - and only metro UI apps will be cross compatible on ARM so I guess no Grand Theft Auto IV on my Windows tablet as planned, it is infact extremely so a mobile platform.

If this is a duplicate of Android so is WebOS, and so is Windows Phone 7 (minus the fact that neither actually has any applications or direct future). The features in iOS 5 are not rips from Android as you would have everyone believe, not at all. Things like notification center are natural things all mobile platforms should have. Also it's funny because I don't remember my Android machines having thumb keyboards, wifi syncing, native system integrated push peer messaging or whatever that Apple voice tool is that Engadget says works excellently.

Atleast my hate for RIM and Blackberry devices can be justified now because the company is actually dying. Your hate for Apple? I see absolutely no basis for it here my friend because this is infact a very big new product from Apple!
I'm not sure why you're considering this new as it really isn't and you keep inadvertently admitting this (bits in bold) :P The hardware is old and the OS, as you clearly agree, isn't innovative or new either. The notification bar 'should' come naturally, but they didn't for the iPhone, it came naturally for Android which is miles ahead of iOS in virtually everyway. You're also assuming features cannot be unique, but only the OS as you keep mentioning throughout your posts. WebOS, Windows Phone 7, iOS and Android are not the same OS, because the features and the way they do them is what is unique. What I'm discussing is the lack of innovation in the features new to iOS because they've been done before in other platforms. There's nothing new to the tech world in this Apple conference, and it's only of particular significance to Apple junkies. To the rest of the world, it's nothing new or innovative.

[HotelUser]

I'm not sure why you're considering this new as it really isn't and you keep inadvertently admitting this (bits in bold) :P The hardware is old and the OS, as you clearly agree, isn't innovative or new either.

Thank you for bolding all the features iOS has the Android does not, and I didn't know you were the one who got to say when something's innovative or when it's not.


The notification bar 'should' come naturally, but they didn't for the iPhone, it came naturally for Android which is miles ahead of iOS in virtually everyway. You're also assuming features cannot be unique,

Okay, then an actual multitasking interface with the ability to close applications 'should' come naturally but Android doesn't have this.


but only the OS as you keep mentioning throughout your posts. WebOS, Windows Phone 7, iOS and Android are not the same OS, because the features and the way they do them is what is unique.

But those OSes don't matter because if you hate iOS so much shouldn't you insta-hate WebOS and WP7 since they do a lot less than iOS?


What I'm discussing is the lack of innovation in the features new to iOS because they've been done before in other platforms. There's nothing new to the tech world in this Apple conference, and it's only of particular significance to Apple junkies. To the rest of the world, it's nothing new or innovative.

This is the most narrow minded aspect of your post. Every OS and every major software manufacture (Microsoft, Apple, Google and so on) feed off each other's ideas. Apple hasn't even done this to a crazy extent at all but I'm not surprised you commented. When Google made Facebook-Google you didn't say anything, but naturally since you superhate Apple you've mentioned it when Apple hasn't even stolen any direct features whatsoever. It's incredibly stupid for you to come into this thread just to say "these changes are nothing brand new to the tech world and Apple isn't innovative" because I can easily say exactly what you said about pretty much any company I want, and you've probably never used an iPhone, will never use iOS five and only said this because you clearly just hate Apple. On the correct side of things, Apple's going to make bucket loads of money from this device, this OS, and millions of iPhone users really want this phone. So yes, it kind of is a big thing.

[Lost_Addict]

I'm not sure why you're considering this new as it really isn't and you keep inadvertently admitting this (bits in bold) :P The hardware is old and the OS, as you clearly agree, isn't innovative or new either. The notification bar 'should' come naturally, but they didn't for the iPhone, it came naturally for Android which is miles ahead of iOS in virtually everyway. You're also assuming features cannot be unique, but only the OS as you keep mentioning throughout your posts. WebOS, Windows Phone 7, iOS and Android are not the same OS, because the features and the way they do them is what is unique. What I'm discussing is the lack of innovation in the features new to iOS because they've been done before in other platforms. There's nothing new to the tech world in this Apple conference, and it's only of particular significance to Apple junkies. To the rest of the world, it's nothing new or innovative.

I think what Hoteluser is trying to say is that your having an irrational hatred for apple because it has brought nothing new to the table. I dont belive the iPhone 4s is trying to it's an improvement on the iPhone 4 hence improved not new features.

And if you hate everything that isn't brand new, then you're going to hate alot of companies as all companies use recycled ideas with slight changes. For example PS3's move is a blatant copy of the Wii motion controller but you can't blame them for improving their product to appeal and compete with other franchises who are tapping the market.

[e5]

theyre exactly the same from the front. saw this on the news tonight

[xxMATTGxx]

Thankfully I haven't got the time to read David's posts because I'm sure they would have wondful points I would like to reply to! ;)

But from what I have seen I'm unimpressed with the iPhone 4S, I thought it was going to be much bigger and hopefully the iPhone 5 or whatever it will be called will be a much bigger improvement. I know it will sell loads because they always do but I'm not urging to switch platform for it yet.

[HotelUser]

Thankfully I haven't got the time to read David's posts because I'm sure they would have wondful points I would like to reply to! ;)

But from what I have seen I'm unimpressed with the iPhone 4S, I thought it was going to be much bigger and hopefully the iPhone 5 or whatever it will be called will be a much bigger improvement. I know it will sell loads because they always do but I'm not urging to switch platform for it yet.

I mentioned Windows so it's only understandable that you come on to defend her honour ;)

Anyways of course you're unimpressed. I could have told you you were unimpressed last week. You're Microsoft! But anyways I'm not. It has a great screen, it has a dual core processor and it has a great camera. Can't wait to pocket it :)

[xxMATTGxx]

I mentioned Windows so it's only understandable that you come on to defend her honour ;)

Anyways of course you're unimpressed. I could have told you you were unimpressed last week. You're Microsoft! But anyways I'm not. It has a great screen, it has a dual core processor and it has a great camera. Can't wait to pocket it :)

David, what the ****? I haven't even mentioned Windows or the word Microsoft. Re-read my post, thank you and goodnight.

[HotelUser]

David, what the ****? I haven't even mentioned Windows or the word Microsoft. Re-read my post, thank you and goodnight.

If I hadn't mentioned Windows you wouldn't have replied in reference to me. Night ;)

[xxMATTGxx]

If I hadn't mentioned Windows you wouldn't have replied in reference to me. Night ;)

I seen the words "Windows 8" and thought here we go again. But either way you think I will dislike every single new Apple product, one day I may actually go and get myself an iPhone but I'm unimpressed with their new version. I was actually wanting bigger things from them because a new model was actually much needed as it had been quite a while since the iPhone 4 was first released.

[GommeInc]

Thank you for bolding all the features iOS has the Android does not, and I didn't know you were the one who got to say when something's innovative or when it's not.

Okay, then an actual multitasking interface with the ability to close applications 'should' come naturally but Android doesn't have this.

But those OSes don't matter because if you hate iOS so much shouldn't you insta-hate WebOS and WP7 since they do a lot less than iOS?

This is the most narrow minded aspect of your post. Every OS and every major software manufacture (Microsoft, Apple, Google and so on) feed off each other's ideas. Apple hasn't even done this to a crazy extent at all but I'm not surprised you commented. When Google made Facebook-Google you didn't say anything, but naturally since you superhate Apple you've mentioned it when Apple hasn't even stolen any direct features whatsoever. It's incredibly stupid for you to come into this thread just to say "these changes are nothing brand new to the tech world and Apple isn't innovative" because I can easily say exactly what you said about pretty much any company I want, and you've probably never used an iPhone, will never use iOS five and only said this because you clearly just hate Apple. On the correct side of things, Apple's going to make bucket loads of money from this device, this OS, and millions of iPhone users really want this phone. So yes, it kind of is a big thing.
And who are you to say what is innovative or not? It's a circular argument. Also, the bolded features are not innovative, they're just new to iOS as they're iOS features. Derrp :/ Voice recognition isn't anything new. Fact. And from the introduction video, Siri seems to be a gimmick that will either be irritating after a while or die out. I think the proof is in the reporting of the iPhone 4S too. Most news websites and companies are posting tiny articles about the release, and seem to be noticing the lack of anything game changing.

The rest is just some angry person avoiding the simple statement I made originally. This conference isn't showing off anything new to the tech world and is only of interest to people who use Apple products. The way Apple fans hyped this up I was expecting something interesting like with the iPhone 4 or iPad.

P.S. They blatantly copied the idea of Notifications. You're just saying stole to try and make me rile your feathers even though I never used the word stole - infact, you mentioned the notification bar before I did by the looks of things and went on to prove that it wasn't innovative of Apple to put it in iOS, but something that should be natural to all phone systems. Your words, not mine. It's not my fault you're making yourself angry, and your post above is proof of that :P


Thankfully I haven't got the time to read David's posts because I'm sure they would have wondful points I would like to reply to! ;)

But from what I have seen I'm unimpressed with the iPhone 4S, I thought it was going to be much bigger and hopefully the iPhone 5 or whatever it will be called will be a much bigger improvement. I know it will sell loads because they always do but I'm not urging to switch platform for it yet.
Ah, someone else unimpressed by this news. I was being attacked for stating my opinion on the lack of anything interesting with the new iPhone. It's a sin :P

[Chippiewill]

I think Siri is being un-rated in this thread a bit, it's quite a bit more than voice recognition which Android has had (And the iPhone has had previously), it analyses what you say for organisation, queries etc. If I remember correctly the Android voice recognition can only be used to fill in forms / basic commands using specific words (From what I can tell Siri will support non-specific terms to perform actions).

Also, we can send cards... from our iphones... this is so cool.

[HotelUser]

I see the words "Windows 8" and thought here we go again. But either way you think I will dislike every single new Apple product, one day I may actually go and get myself an iPhone but I'm unimpressed with their new version. I was actually wanting bigger things from them because a new model was actually much needed as it had been quite a while since the iPhone 4 was first released.


You bought a Windows Phone Matt, no offense but I think you're never going to buy an iPhone but anyway that's your own decision so it doesn't really concern myself.



And who are you to say what is innovative or not? It's a circular argument. Also, the bolded features are not innovative, they're just new to iOS as they're iOS features. Derrp :/ Voice recognition isn't anything new. Fact. And from the introduction video, Siri seems to be a gimmick that will either be irritating after a while or die out. I think the proof is in the reporting of the iPhone 4S too. Most news websites and companies are posting tiny articles about the release, and seem to be noticing the lack of anything game changing.

The rest is just some angry person avoiding the simple statement I made originally. This conference isn't showing off anything new to the tech world and is only of interest to people who use Apple products. The way Apple fans hyped this up I was expecting something interesting like with the iPhone 4 or iPad.

P.S. They blatantly copied the idea of Notifications. You're just saying stole to try and make me rile your feathers even though I never used the word stole - infact, you mentioned the notification bar before I did by the looks of things and went on to prove that it wasn't innovative of Apple to put it in iOS, but something that should be natural to all phone systems. Your words, not mine. It's not my fault you're making yourself angry, and your post above is proof of that :P


Ah, someone else unimpressed by this news. I was being attacked for stating my opinion on the lack of anything interesting with the new iPhone. It's a sin :P

I'm not making myself angry, more just pointing out that your opinions or accusations against Apple are heavily biased around the fact that you simply just dislike Apple. I personally think you let this cloud your judgement completely - I think they could have released anything and you would have been quick to criticize it. I have noticed this as a common pattern with Apple threads and yourself :P

[Grippz]

Iv'e owned every iPhone ever released and I will not be upgrading my current iPhone 4. I can't express my disappointment enough with the release of the newer model today. To me personally it just seems as if they've pulled this one out of the bag to continue with their 'New iPhone a year' release. Personally I think if they could have got away with it they would have not released a newer model this year and they would have just released the probably under development iPhone 5 (or whatever they're going to call it) sometime next year but because of all the apple fan boys wanting a new phone this year they have gone ahead and met demand. A lot of my friends who have iPhone's as well have also told me they're not going to bother with an upgrade.

[HotelUser]

Iv'e owned every iPhone ever released and I will not be upgrading my current iPhone 4. I can't express my disappointment enough with the release of the newer model today. To me personally it just seems as if they've pulled this one out of the bag to continue with their 'New iPhone a year' release. Personally I think if they could have got away with it they would have not released a newer model this year and they would have just released the probably under development iPhone 5 (or whatever they're going to call it) sometime next year but because of all the apple fan boys wanting a new phone this year they have met demand. A lot of my friends who have iPhone's as well have also told me they're not going to bother with an upgrade.

Really? I want it just to get that dual core chip, seems like it would be worth it to me, hopefully they'll come out with a 5 and a redesign next year at this time.

[Grippz]

Really? I want it just to get that dual core chip, seems like it would be worth it to me, hopefully they'll come out with a 5 and a redesign next year at this time.

I honestly thought this at first but in all honestly it's a phone. What are we going to need that chip for? The apps are all still going to work on both versions of the phone. We have iPad's/PC's to do the other high demand stuff for us. I just can't justify splashing all that cash on a new phone for an upgraded processor. Not for them to release a new phone in June/July anyway haha.

[HotelUser]

I honestly thought this at first but in all honestly it's a phone. What are we going to need that chip for? The apps are all still going to work on both versions of the phone. We have iPad's/PC's to do the other high demand stuff for us. I just can't justify splashing all that cash on a new phone for an upgraded processor. Not for them to release a new phone in June/July anyway haha.

Fair points, but I have a phone upgrade anyway!

[Mr-Trainor]

I think Siri is being un-rated in this thread a bit, it's quite a bit more than voice recognition which Android has had (And the iPhone has had previously), it analyses what you say for organisation, queries etc. If I remember correctly the Android voice recognition can only be used to fill in forms / basic commands using specific words (From what I can tell Siri will support non-specific terms to perform actions).

Also, we can send cards... from our iphones... this is so cool.
I was just reading about that Cards app and it seems like a really nice feature :D. Although I believe it'll be an App for all devices using iOS 5 rather than just the iPhone 4S.

As for Siri, I agree that it's certainly more than just the voice recognition already on the iPhone/Android. I remember trying to use Voice Commands on my iPod Touch and I'd have to say something a few times before it would work; but Siri seems to be much better and also seems as though it's a lot more 'intelligent' and can do a lot more and definitely an improvement from the Voice Commands of iOS 4.

With Siri though, the beta is only for iPhone 4S but I hope when it's out of Beta, it'll also be for iPad 2; particularly as they have the same dual core processor.

[Grippz]

Fair points, but I have a phone upgrade anyway!

Yeah, if you have a phone upgrade then definitely do it. I would if that was the case for me but I specifically didn't get a phone contract because I always upgraded to the newer phone as and when it was released I just simply swapped my sim only contract over to the newer phone. I am hoping for a fast release of the iPhone 5 or whatever they're going to call it next year, hopefully in the first quarter because I really do love the product :-)

[GommeInc]

I'm not making myself angry, more just pointing out that your opinions or accusations against Apple are heavily biased around the fact that you simply just dislike Apple. I personally think you let this cloud your judgement completely - I think they could have released anything and you would have been quick to criticize it. I have noticed this as a common pattern with Apple threads and yourself :P
Is that not an accusation that is still avoiding the central premise of my argument? I do not like Apple, that's obvious -but this event clearly isn't anything interesting or amazing, and there's nothing innovative which is what I stated and asked for originally :P Besides, you're one to talk. You got caught up in one small, unconfirmed detail with the GUI of Windows 8 a few months ago, at least this conference is about features that are actually coming out and confirmed :P

And I don't criticise everything Apple does - someone a few weeks ago asked if getting an Apple TV would solve their streaming problems and I suggested that there must be something iTunes, Apple or a third party company can create to stream music from iTunes to an iPhone/iPod Touch :P

Speaking of Siri. I could of sworn Ford were working on a voice recognition device that can interpret commands in many different ways. I think Microsoft were getting involved but could be wrong.

[Mr-Trainor]

Iv'e owned every iPhone ever released and I will not be upgrading my current iPhone 4. I can't express my disappointment enough with the release of the newer model today. To me personally it just seems as if they've pulled this one out of the bag to continue with their 'New iPhone a year' release. Personally I think if they could have got away with it they would have not released a newer model this year and they would have just released the probably under development iPhone 5 (or whatever they're going to call it) sometime next year but because of all the apple fan boys wanting a new phone this year they have gone ahead and met demand. A lot of my friends who have iPhone's as well have also told me they're not going to bother with an upgrade.
What about when they released the 3GS after the 3G :P?

I honestly thought this at first but in all honestly it's a phone. What are we going to need that chip for? The apps are all still going to work on both versions of the phone. We have iPad's/PC's to do the other high demand stuff for us. I just can't justify splashing all that cash on a new phone for an upgraded processor. Not for them to release a new phone in June/July anyway haha.
I know what you're saying, but there is more to it than just an upgraded processor. And not everything that works on the iPhone 4S will work on the iPhone 4. Eg, I've seen apps reviews for an iPad app with people complaining it's slow on the iPad, yet those using an iPad 2 say it works fine. And you won't be able to use Siri on the iPhone 4 if that's something which appealed to you :P.

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Yeah, if you have a phone upgrade then definitely do it. I would if that was the case for me but I specifically didn't get a phone contract because I always upgraded to the newer phone as and when it was released I just simply swapped my sim only contract over to the newer phone. I am hoping for a fast release of the iPhone 5 or whatever they're going to call it next year, hopefully in the first quarter because I really do love the product :-)I doubt a first quarter release of an iPhone 5, but you never know :P.

[HotelUser]

Is that not an accusation that is still avoiding the central premise of my argument? I do not like Apple, that's obvious -but this event clearly isn't anything interesting or amazing, and there's nothing innovative which is what I stated and asked for originally :P Besides, you're one to talk. You got caught up in one small, unconfirmed detail with the GUI of Windows 8 a few months ago, at least this conference is about features that are actually coming out and confirmed :P

And I don't criticise everything Apple does - someone a few weeks ago asked if getting an Apple TV would solve their streaming problems and I suggested that there must be something iTunes, Apple or a third party company can create to stream music from iTunes to an iPhone/iPod Touch :P

Too true too true, but I would have used my death to BlackBerry thread instead - I plan on buying a Windows 8 tablet, I just extremely so think that startbutton is, well :P

[GommeInc]

Too true too true, but I would have used my death to BlackBerry thread instead - I plan on buying a Windows 8 tablet, I just extremely so think that startbutton is, well :P
Don't start this discussion again :P I've noticed Matt is viewing this thread :P

[Grippz]

What about when they released the 3GS after the 3G :P?

I know what you're saying, but there is more to it than just an upgraded processor. And not everything that works on the iPhone 4S will work on the iPhone 4. Eg, I've seen apps reviews for an iPad app with people complaining it's slow on the iPad, yet those using an iPad 2 say it works fine. And you won't be able to use Siri on the iPhone 4 if that's something which appealed to you :P.

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I doubt a first quarter release of an iPhone 5, but you never know :P.

The 3G's offered more features though which were useful to me at the time. Siri really does appeal to me and I am a bit gutted that it won't be sent to iPhone 4 users. But again that's just a software limitation they have implemented to enable them to use it as one of their main selling points for the upgrade to the 4S. On another note, I can't see it being as good as they say. I feel stupid asking my iPhone what time it is and asking it to call a certain contact in my phone book at the moment. And that's when the thing hears me, cars and background noise make the poor woman confused and it has called unsuspecting people hundreds and hundreds of times. God help it when you're asking it to reply to someone's text message, I dread to think what it may think you're asking it to reply with in a noisy or busy location haha :P

[beth]

okay i don't understand all this gibberish, but i do have an iphone ha. can someone tell me the major differences between 4 and 4s in simple terms? is it just faster?

[xxMATTGxx]

okay i don't understand all this gibberish, but i do have an iphone ha. can someone tell me the major differences between 4 and 4s in simple terms? is it just faster?

Copied and pasted this from Chris Pirillo's Google+:

iPhone 4 vs iPhone 4S? Let's see here...

* A4 Processor vs A5 Processor = Makes it faster and faster GFX for games.
* 32GB Max Capacity vs 64GB Max Capacity = More storage
* Single Carrier vs World phone = GSM (What we use) and CDMA are in one device and users who need to can switch between.
* Bluetooth 2.1 vs Bluetooth 4.0 = Latest bluetooth version? :P
* 5MP photos vs 8MP photos = More mega pixels on the camera.
* ~f/3 Aperture vs f/2.4 Aperture = Makes it a better camera
* 720p Video Rec vs 1080p Video Rec with Stabilization = Higher quality for video recording
* 7 Hours 3G Talk Time vs 8 Hours 3G Talk Time = Extra hour of 3G talk time
* 7.2 Mbps HSDPA vs 14.4 Mbps HSDPA = Faster download speeds for HSDPA
* Single Antenna vs Antenna Switching = Better antenna
* Voice Control vs Siri = New voice recognition.

[AgnesIO]

One could argue Windows 8 isn't anything new because we've had other mobile platforms for a long time, especially considering this (http://www.slashgear.com/windows-8-on-arm-wont-run-x86-apps-microsoft-admits-16180415/) (I'm not saying that's what I believe Matt and Tom and other Microsofts, relax ;)!) however it would be a similar stance to go along with what you're saying.

Apple never really advertised this to be something huge did they? If it was meant to be a big transition it would have been dubbed the 5 right? Also most phones aren't dual core, most phones don't don't have at first glance anything like the voice recognition. Did you want them to push out a 12MP camera and quad core phone now? I think a dual core handset with a refined camera is just right for the 4S, and will make a lot of iPhone users really happy.

You can't forget, this is also significant because it means iOS 5 is surly making its non beta public appearance soon too, and that in itself is absolutely huge.

To be fair a 1.2/5Ghz dual core processor wouldn't have hurt..

[HotelUser]

Copied and pasted this from Chris Pirillo's Google+:

iPhone 4 vs iPhone 4S? Let's see here...

* A4 Processor vs A5 Processor = Makes it faster and faster GFX for games.
* 32GB Max Capacity vs 64GB Max Capacity = More storage
* Single Carrier vs World phone = GSM (What we use) and CDMA are in one device and users who need to can switch between.
* Bluetooth 2.1 vs Bluetooth 4.0 = Latest bluetooth version? :P
* 5MP photos vs 8MP photos = More mega pixels on the camera.
* ~f/3 Aperture vs f/2.4 Aperture = Makes it a better camera
* 720p Video Rec vs 1080p Video Rec with Stabilization = Higher quality for video recording
* 7 Hours 3G Talk Time vs 8 Hours 3G Talk Time = Extra hour of 3G talk time
* 7.2 Mbps HSDPA vs 14.4 Mbps HSDPA = Faster download speeds for HSDPA
* Single Antenna vs Antenna Switching = Better antenna
* Voice Control vs Siri = New voice recognition.

This sounds like fair enough improvements to release a new handset to me. Other companies do all the time without changing so much - especially considering the 4s has a dual core processor I'd say it's a fair iPhone release.

[AgnesIO]

This sounds like fair enough improvements to release a new handset to me. Other companies do all the time without changing so much - especially considering the 4s has a dual core processor I'd say it's a fair iPhone release.

Look at the next Nexus :P

[Jahova]

I think I know the cheapest method to get an iPhone 4S with a decent "contract" / spec;
http://tomspit.com/cheapest-and-best-iphone-4s-plan/

[xxMATTGxx]

AT&T has seen extraordinary demand for iPhone 4S with more than 200,000 preorders in the first 12 hours alone, the most successful iPhone launch we've ever had. It's obvious customers like AT&T's 4G network, which is the only one that lets their iPhone download twice as fast and talk and surf simultaneously.

So it seems to be selling like hot cakes, no surprise! :P

[Chippiewill]

Speaking of Siri. I could of sworn Ford were working on a voice recognition device that can interpret commands in many different ways. I think Microsoft were getting involved but could be wrong.

You're probably referring to My Ford Touch which uses Ford Sync based off of Microsoft Sync released ages ago, itself based off Windows CE.

Been around for about two years now, it's meant to work quite well but I think you can only get it in the US still.

[JoeyK.]

Seems like they haven't really done anything new this time around, and are just playing catch up to the recent Android phones. Hopefully they have something a bit more innovative in store for the 5. To the comments about how high Apple's preorders for this phone have been; guess it's pretty easy to sell a lot of phones when you don't let any other manufacturers produce any hardware with your OS.

[HotelUser]

Seems like they haven't really done anything new this time around, and are just playing catch up to the recent Android phones. Hopefully they have something a bit more innovative in store for the 5. To the comments about how high Apple's preorders for this phone have been; guess it's pretty easy to sell a lot of phones when you don't let any other manufacturers produce any hardware with your OS.

Dual core processor and 8MP camera. That's not playing catchup that's on par with other handsets.

Comparing it to the last iPhone it has a vastly better processor, so I would say for iPhone users this would be a significant upgrade.

[GommeInc]

Dual core processor and 8MP camera. That's not playing catchup that's on par with other handsets.

Comparing it to the last iPhone it has a vastly better processor, so I would say for iPhone users this would be a significant upgrade.
That's playing catch up. To finally be on par with something is to catch up with it :P It's a significant upgrade on the current iPhone, but like I said, nothing special in the eyes of the overall, smartphone genre. It's just finally caught up.

[HotelUser]

That's playing catch up. To finally be on par with something is to catch up with it :P It's a significant upgrade on the current iPhone, but like I said, nothing special in the eyes of the overall, smartphone genre. It's just finally caught up.

No, in my opinion it's not playing catchup at all. There's not that many dual core smartphones right now. Most are still single cored. In a year, if they were just upgrading to a dual core chipset I would call it playing catchup. However since most smartphones are single cored and dual cored phones are new in 2011 it's not catchup. What would you of had Apple release for it not to be catchup? We're far from quad core phones you know :P

[GommeInc]

No, in my opinion it's not playing catchup at all. There's not that many dual core smartphones right now. Most are still single cored. In a year, if they were just upgrading to a dual core chipset I would call it playing catchup. However since most smartphones are single cored and dual cored phones are new in 2011 it's not catchup. What would you of had Apple release for it not to be catchup? We're far from quad core phones you know :P
There's not many dual-core smartphones out there, but it's still becoming on par - to catch up - with latest emerging trends so it is playing a form of catch up. You've got to look at the iPhone by looking at the company, so in this case Apple. Apple is now on par with the growing change in technology which appears to be dual core processors. Although they are not popular, Apple are many months late into the field. It's not a bad thing to have finally caught up as it's obviously a good thing for people who want an extra kick out of their new iPhone, so asking "what should Apple do to not be playing catch up" is unnecessary as you're assuming catching up is bad :P It's just not that special to be considered "new" or amazing :P

So it's fair of people to say it's catching up, but that's the problem with one company with one format. Remove iOS from the equation and Apple are just another smartphone manufacturer, designer and producer in the mix.

[HotelUser]

There's not many dual-core smartphones out there, but it's still becoming on par - to catch up - with latest emerging trends so it is playing a form of catch up. You've got to look at the iPhone by looking at the company, so in this case Apple. Apple is now on par with the growing change in technology which appears to be dual core processors. Although they are not popular, Apple are many months late into the field. It's not a bad thing to have finally caught up as it's obviously a good thing for people who want an extra kick out of their new iPhone, so asking "what should Apple do to not be playing catch up" is unnecessary as you're assuming catching up is bad :P It's just not that special to be considered "new" or amazing :P

You make it sound as if Apple neglected a major element of the phone industry for a very long time. Apple's update brings the iPhone 4 up to the modern developments of the mobile phone industry in 2011. I would label RIM or Microsoft as companies playing catchup in the mobile computing industry.

Microsoft in 2005 was dominating with Windows Mobile. They had a firm 17% of the market and were pushing out Windows CE and Windows Embeded licensing for Phones, HPCs, GPS devices and lots more. By 2005 standards Windows Mobile was arguably superior or on par to PalmOS and BlackBerryOS of the time. When the iPhone was introduced with its multitouch support and full web browser, along with dozens of other unique features, Windows Mobile faded into the dark. It was attempted to be revived with major release revisions 6.0 and 6.5, with the Windows Mobile Market launched for 6.5 however ultimately discontinued. Microsoft has now since re-entered the handset operating system competition with Windows Phone 7 but have only managed to grasp about 2% of the marketshare thus far, whilst Android and iOS are at approximately 43% and 18% respectively. I think Windows Phone 7 and the promise of ARM support in Windows 8 were two giant steps in the right direction from Microsoft, but there's no doubt that since Apple first unveiled 2007, Microsoft, has been playing a serious game of catchup.

Research in Motion essentially fell asleep whilst the iPhone was announced, produced, sold. They were also sleeping when they watched their marketshare of over 35% decrease to 12% in 2011. This company's behaviour is arguably even more irresponsible than Microsoft's in the mobile industry because they had such a vast amount of marketshare and completely and utterly blew it in every way imaginable. Jaguar Financial Canada published an open letter to RIM suggesting they sell off like Nortel, the PlayBook absolutely did not sell and the fact that they released it as such was practically insulting potential buyers. Their stock value? From $150 a share now down to $24, and financial reports for RIM are grim. They've dug their own grave just like Microsoft, but where Microsoft is now filling it back in, RIM is getting ready to lay in it. I truly believe for a handful of years in the future, we are going to refer to the two companies of Palm and RIM as the two companies who made the most stupid decisions out of anyone, and who cause their own complete downfall of the industry.

So there you have Microsoft and RIM who've been playing utterly horrific games of catchup since 2007, and there was also Palm and HP with WebOS. In this industry, the mistakes of the big players can be seen ten miles away, and the attributes separating successful companies in it, Apple and Google, and the loosing companies, Palm, HP, Microsoft (FTAO Mattrosoft: for now), all lead back to how the losers have just been playing catchup for years.

Is Apple really playing catchup because they've just now released a dual core phone when we've only seen dual core phones for mere months? Looking at the examples of Microsoft, Palm and Research In Motion where over a span of years there was next to no software improvement and pathetic hardware improvement, I absolutely couldn't disagree more with you when I say I cannot see any grounds to accuse the catchup game here. Dual Core chipsets in phones are only months old to the consumer industry. Apple releases one revision of the iPhone a year. This year they included a modern dual core chipset in their new iPhone.

[GommeInc]

You make it sound as if Apple neglected a major element of the phone industry for a very long time. Apple's update brings the iPhone 4 up to the modern developments of the mobile phone industry in 2011. I would label RIM or Microsoft as companies playing catchup in the mobile computing industry.

Microsoft in 2005 was dominating with Windows Mobile. They had a firm 17% of the market and were pushing out Windows CE and Windows Embeded licensing for Phones, HPCs, GPS devices and lots more. By 2005 standards Windows Mobile was arguably superior or on par to PalmOS and BlackBerryOS of the time. When the iPhone was introduced with its multitouch support and full web browser, along with dozens of other unique features, Windows Mobile faded into the dark. It was attempted to be revived with major release revisions 6.0 and 6.5, with the Windows Mobile Market launched for 6.5 however ultimately discontinued. Microsoft has now since re-entered the handset operating system competition with Windows Phone 7 but have only managed to grasp about 2% of the marketshare thus far, whilst Android and iOS are at approximately 43% and 18% respectively. I think Windows Phone 7 and the promise of ARM support in Windows 8 were two giant steps in the right direction from Microsoft, but there's no doubt that since Apple first unveiled 2007, Microsoft, has been playing a serious game of catchup.

Research in Motion essentially fell asleep whilst the iPhone was announced, produced, sold. They were also sleeping when they watched their marketshare of over 35% decrease to 12% in 2011. This company's behaviour is arguably even more irresponsible than Microsoft's in the mobile industry because they had such a vast amount of marketshare and completely and utterly blew it in every way imaginable. Jaguar Financial Canada published an open letter to RIM suggesting they sell off like Nortel, the PlayBook absolutely did not sell and the fact that they released it as such was practically insulting potential buyers. Their stock value? From $150 a share now down to $24, and financial reports for RIM are grim. They've dug their own grave just like Microsoft, but where Microsoft is now filling it back in, RIM is getting ready to lay in it. I truly believe for a handful of years in the future, we are going to refer to the two companies of Palm and RIM as the two companies who made the most stupid decisions out of anyone, and who cause their own complete downfall of the industry.

So there you have Microsoft and RIM who've been playing utterly horrific games of catchup since 2007, and there was also Palm and HP with WebOS. In this industry, the mistakes of the big players can be seen ten miles away, and the attributes separating successful companies in it, Apple and Google, and the loosing companies, Palm, HP, Microsoft (FTAO Mattrosoft: for now), all lead back to how the losers have just been playing catchup for years.

Is Apple really playing catchup because they've just now released a dual core phone when we've only seen dual core phones for mere months? Looking at the examples of Microsoft, Palm and Research In Motion where over a span of years there was next to no software improvement and pathetic hardware improvement, I absolutely couldn't disagree more with you when I say I cannot see any grounds to accuse the catchup game here. Dual Core chipsets in phones are only months old to the consumer industry. Apple releases one revision of the iPhone a year. This year they included a modern dual core chipset in their new iPhone.
The key words associated with catching up were all in the bit in bold :P The new iPhone 4s "brings" it up to the standards of modern developments. That's becoming on par :P RIM and Microsoft are behind, yet to "catch up" so to speak. It's the use of language. To bring up to standards is the same as saying to catch up or to be on par as something. So you need not write so much as it's blatantly clear that RIM and Microsoft are behind. In fact, it might be safe to say they're not even trying to catch up, which is a shame as Microsoft brought to us smartphones before with the original Windows Mobile OS, they just didn't market it in the same way Apple did :P

So although you disagree, you're inadvertently admitting Apple are playing catch up but trying to deny it. In the last few posts you've used key words associated with the game of catch up, including key phrases such as:

"Apple's update brings the iPhone 4 up to the modern developments of the mobile phone industry in 2011". They've caught up with new developments. They acted faster than RIM/Microsoft.

"That's not playing catchup that's on par with other handsets." It wasn't before but is now, that's because it is now on par - to have caught up or now be a part of an emerging standard.

Basically, the use of past, present and future tense, and the way they're inter-relating :)

[HotelUser]

The key words associated with catching up were all in the bit in bold :P The new iPhone 4s "brings" it up to the standards of modern developments. That's becoming on par :P RIM and Microsoft are behind, yet to "catch up" so to speak. It's the use of language. To bring up to standards is the same as saying to catch up or to be on par as something. So you need not write so much as it's blatantly clear that RIM and Microsoft are behind. In fact, it might be safe to say they're not even trying to catch up, which is a shame as Microsoft brought to us smartphones before with the original Windows Mobile OS, they just didn't market it in the same way Apple did :P

So although you disagree, you're inadvertently admitting Apple are playing catch up but trying to deny it. In the last few posts you've used key words associated with the game of catch up, including key phrases such as:

"Apple's update brings the iPhone 4 up to the modern developments of the mobile phone industry in 2011". They've caught up with new developments. They acted faster than RIM/Microsoft.

"That's not playing catchup that's on par with other handsets." It wasn't before but is now, that's because it is now on par - to have caught up or now be a part of an emerging standard.

Basically, the use of past, present and future tense, and the way they're inter-relating :)

No, do not annoy me by putting words in my mouth sir I did not inadvertently admit to anything :P

I did not inadvertently admit to anything because I also said, that Dual Core introduction to mobile phones is something that's new. So Apple adhering to this standard now is not a game of catchup because the standard itself is a very new one. If you buy a house made a year ago it's a used house, but it's still considered a new one ;)

[GommeInc]

No, do not annoy me by putting words in my mouth sir I did not inadvertently admit to anything :P

I did not inadvertently admit to anything because I also said, that Dual Core introduction to mobile phones is something that's new. So Apple adhering to this standard now is not a game of catchup because the standard itself is a very new one. If you buy a house made a year ago it's a used house, but it's still considered a new one ;)
That example doesn't work, and I'm not putting words in your mouth, it's written in black and white :P You said Apple have brought it up to standards with the new, emerging technology. That's catching up, to become on par :P Your example would only make sense if it included the design of the house, something that's a new design but a year old. It's new, but the house isn't original and is built to be on par with a new, emerging design :P

In short, it's alright to try and say that it's not an old technology, but it's a growing technology many companies are trying to adopt, with many catching up with it, like Apple for instance :P

[HotelUser]

That example doesn't work, and I'm not putting words in your mouth, it's written in black and white :P You said Apple have brought it up to standards with the new, emerging technology. That's catching up, to become on par :P Your example would only make sense if it included the design of the house, something that's a new design but a year old. It's new, but the house isn't original and is built to be on par with a new, emerging design :P

So by your definition of catching up every phone other than the LG's Optimus 2X has since been playing catchup because the Optimus 2X was the first dual core phone? :P

[GommeInc]

So by your definition of catching up every phone other than the LG's Optimus 2X has since been playing catchup because the Optimus 2X was the first dual core phone? :P
Not my definition, it's the literal definition of catching up / being on par :P

[HotelUser]

Not my definition, it's the literal definition of catching up / being on par :P

You crazy Gomme. Anyways I'm eyeing the Galaxy Nexus instead of a 4S now. Though I would much rather prefer iOS to Android the 4.5" screen on the Nexus is heaven: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py9TfZGie48

[Recursion]

No, in my opinion it's not playing catchup at all. There's not that many dual core smartphones right now. Most are still single cored. In a year, if they were just upgrading to a dual core chipset I would call it playing catchup. However since most smartphones are single cored and dual cored phones are new in 2011 it's not catchup. What would you of had Apple release for it not to be catchup? We're far from quad core phones you know :P

Have you been living under a rock? :P There are plenty of dual core smart phones? :S

[xxMATTGxx]

Some of the dual core phones on the market and I'm pretty sure there is a few more devices missing off the list:

Samsung Galaxy S II
Motorola Droid Bionic
Motorola Atrix
HTC Sensation XE
LG Optimus 2x
LG Optimus 3D
HTC Sensation
HTC Evo 3D

[HotelUser]

Have you been living under a rock? :P There are plenty of dual core smart phones? :S
Some of the dual core phones on the market and I'm pretty sure there is a few more devices missing off the list:
Samsung Galaxy S II
Motorola Droid Bionic
Motorola Atrix
HTC Sensation XE
LG Optimus 2x
LG Optimus 3D
HTC Sensation
HTC Evo 3D

And the list of singular core smart phones is a lot, lot larger. Dual core phones, as I have said, are fairly new to the consumer market.

[Chippiewill]

And the list of singular core smart phones is a lot, lot larger. Dual core phones, as I have said, are fairly new to the consumer market.
Those are all the leading phones in the market, and importantly the majority of the current high-end phones, a group which the iPhone is a member of, the list of single core will be longer because it takes years for stock to clear. If Apple isn't bringing something new to the table they'll simply be behind next time round.

Apple is behind the curve at the moment whether you believe it or not.

[AgnesIO]

One million pre orders in first 24 hours. ****.

[GommeInc]

One million pre orders in first 24 hours. ****.
I don't think it's that amazing considering the number of iPhones in circulation mixed in with the number of countries that have the iPhone. There's bound to be one million die hard iPhone/Apple fans in the world at any given time (let alone 24 hours) so overall I'm not that surprised. 100 million units sold worldwide as of March 2011 and with many contracts coming to an end at the right time, with many people leaving their iPhone 3GS models in hopes for the latest is an expected contributing factor. The iPhone 4 preorders sold out on the first day too due to limited stock. Apple have done what many other organisations do and that's increase pre-order stock because the demand is there (basic supply and demand economics).

[AgnesIO]

I don't think it's that amazing considering the number of iPhones in circulation mixed in with the number of countries that have the iPhone. There's bound to be one million die hard iPhone/Apple fans in the world at any given time (let alone 24 hours) so overall I'm not that surprised. 100 million units sold worldwide as of March 2011 and with many contracts coming to an end at the right time, with many people leaving their iPhone 3GS models in hopes for the latest is an expected contributing factor. The iPhone 4 preorders sold out on the first day too due to limited stock. Apple have done what many other organisations do and that's increase pre-order stock because the demand is there (basic supply and demand economics).

It stills adds a significant amount of iPhones to the world.

[xxMATTGxx]

So the iPhone 4S Dual-Core chip is clocked at like 800MHz. Anyway:

http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/glbenchmark-ipad-2-vs-iphone-4s.png?w=600&h=437P

[Jack!]

So the iPhone 4S Dual-Core chip is clocked at like 800MHz. Anyway:

http://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/glbenchmark-ipad-2-vs-iphone-4s.png?w=600&h=437P

Because the battery is still the same with a bigger processor I think.

[Chippiewill]

One million pre orders in first 24 hours. ****.
If people's contracts are up they're going to get the next iPhone whether it's much better or not.

[Jordy]

If people's contracts are up they're going to get the next iPhone whether it's much better or not.Yeah my two-year contract expired on the day the iPhone 4S expired so I've pre-ordered a 64GB white one which should come on Friday ;D - The boost in capacity is the main reason why I've bought it, my 64GB iPod Touch is waterdamaged and my HTC Touch Pro 2 is proving a bit slow despite being a fantastic phone.

My HTC Touch Pro 2 has run Windows Mobile 6.5 since the day it was released and I've not had any problems with it although it is tricky for anyone unfamiliar with it to use. The phone still attracts attention despite being almost three years old and is incredibly durable, I woke up to find it in a 3 inch deep puddle recently and it's survived. Kinda gutted to be going so "mainstream" and also by the lack of 4G & NFC but it seems the right move :)

[AgnesIO]

If people's contracts are up they're going to get the next iPhone whether it's much better or not.

Not ALL iPhone users are completely brain dead :P

I personally will buy any phone brand assuming the phone is worth it (ok I lie, any decent phone brand)

[Mr-Trainor]

My cousin said a few hours ago that he saw people queuing outside the apple store in Regent Street and MacRumors has posted this article:
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/13/lines-begin-forming-at-apple-retail-stores-ahead-of-iphone-4s-launch/

Good phone or not, I wouldn't queue overnight for it :P.

[Lost_Addict]

Apparently the first que'er que'd since october 4th ;O i got my iphone 4s today without any que, it appears people still think the only sellers of the iphone is apple and 02 as they had massive ques.

[Chippiewill]

Most people who get iPhones are repeat buyers to lazy to change to a new network.

[Lost_Addict]

Indeed. BTW how long should i leave my phone on charge before using it?

[Mr-Trainor]

Indeed. BTW how long should i leave my phone on charge before using it?Depends if like you're planning to go out or something. If you mean until it has enough battery to do the whole activation thing, I suppose just leave it in charge while you do it?

[Lost_Addict]

Ok thx, i've just always been told you need to charge the battery for a certain amount of time before use or you could damage/restrict the battery.

[Mr-Trainor]

Ok thx, i've just always been told you need to charge the battery for a certain amount of time before use or you could damage/restrict the battery.I highly doubt that would happen :P:)!

[AgnesIO]

There was a queue at my local towns O2 shop.

Awkward.

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My god, just seen the queues on the telegraph site.

Some people need to find a 'life'.

[Lost_Addict]

Got to admit it's a pretty awsome phone especially cloud and the camera ;) However i jumped from 3G to 4S so i can't see it being worth getting if you had a 4 :P

[Stephen!]

My god, just seen the queues on the telegraph site.

Some people need to find a 'life'.

Not really.

You have to think many people will have sold their iPhone 4 or 3GS in preparation for this new release, so being without a phone I wouldn't mind lining up.

[AgnesIO]

Not really.

You have to think many people will have sold their iPhone 4 or 3GS in preparation for this new release, so being without a phone I wouldn't mind lining up.

It is so sad :S

My mate just went in earlier this week, pre ordered one and collected it an 10:00am on Friday - instead of queueing overnight to get is just 2 hours early - is that really worth it? Queueing over a phone is just madness imo.

[GommeInc]

You have to think many people will have sold their iPhone 4 or 3GS in preparation for this new release, so being without a phone I wouldn't mind lining up.
Doesn't make them any better to be honest :P They could keep on to their phones until they get the new one, though judging by the way they're acting I'd assume they could live without their phones for a couple of hours if a phone is more important than the contacts in it. I could be mean and say they don't need their phones as they clearly lack any sort of social life and friends, but I won't go down that path :P

[Mr-Trainor]

It has been announced that 4 million devices have been sold over the weekend.

Plus over 25 million people now using iOS 5.

[Stephen!]

3 Mobile any good for iPhone?

[Jahova]

If you can pay upfront, GiffGaff.

[Lost_Addict]

I got 3 and they're actually amazing. i wasn't expecting much when i changed from 02 last weekend. but i get signal and3g everywhere i didn't use to. Free handset and everything unlimited for $37 a month isn't to bad either ;)

[Mr-Trainor]

If you can pay upfront, GiffGaff.
They don't do micro sims though, do they?

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And I'm currently deciding whether to go on contract or PAYG, particularly as tmobile are offering one years free Internet when you buy a micro sim.

[xxMATTGxx]

They don't do micro sims though, do they?

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And I'm currently deciding whether to go on contract or PAYG, particularly as tmobile are offering one years free Internet when you buy a micro sim.

http://apps.giffgaff.com/microgaff/

I believe you can get them from the above URL Or just get a normal sized sim card and then cut it down yourself.

[Johno]

3 Mobile any good for iPhone?

I'm with 3 and so is my girlfriend. Best deals available and have been nothing but brilliant since I went back to them. Not to mention £109 Quidco cashback if you go for "The One Plan"

[Stephen!]

Decided to get the 16GB on Orange. Three's website won't let me place an order, been trying since yesterday morning.

[Fire-Fox]

I remember being livid that there was no iPhone 5 this year, since this was the year I was going to upgrade. Still, I ended up getting the iPhone 4S, and I'm very happy with it.

[Jahova]

They don't do micro sims though, do they?

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And I'm currently deciding whether to go on contract or PAYG, particularly as tmobile are offering one years free Internet when you buy a micro sim.

You can cut them down or order them :)