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MKR&*42
13-10-2011, 09:03 PM
First of all; Please don't reply with something inappropriate X_X I don't want to hear about your 'exciting' life.

Ok,

So we were doing a whole topic on sex in the media (in R.e) and it sort of mentioned pornography. Now I was just wondering if you all find pornography acceptable...

1. I know that A LOT of men watch/claim to watch porn - I mean, at my school it's like a generalised discussion...instead of "How are you" it's now "Did you have a nice _____ last night" which is frankly disgusting, I don't really want to hear you discussing that. I also said men because I don't pornography is such a big issue with women - I thought it was more of a 'man thing' (sorry if I'm wrong) - if you asked a man to name 3 porn sites, he could. If you asked a woman..not so sure.

I just find it ridiculous that you want to discuss how your 'evening' was, in that manner. Especially in school... I'd rather listen to them blabber on about CoD or whatever it is.

2. The average age children first watch porn. Statistics for America suggest that the first age a child watches pornography is 11. In the UK, it's 10. Do you really want that thought of a year/grade 5 or 6 having 'fun' over some naked stranger..it's disgusting and perverted. I have a 9 and a 10 year old sister - I really don't want the thought that they've watched it >.<

So I think that it shouldn't be acceptable at all, especially if it's being shown to children at such a ridiculously low age!

3. Your personal view on pornography. I'm gonna admit that I'm one of the people who hasn't watched porn. I just don't see why on earth you would want to 'get stimulated' over some random girl via the internet/magazines/whatever - seriously, it's disgusting (in my opinion). If you were to ask, yes I do know 2 pornographic sites, no I am not going to post them due to common sense. I only know them because they're discussed so often.

Also, I think that all pornography should just be banned. In China, they have the strictest filtering system of all - wikipedia is blocked, youtube is blocked - heck, even amnesty international is blocked. Is all porn blocked... no! They've 'relaxed' on pornographic websites..but not YouTube :S. I don't see why pornography doesn't deserve a world-wide ban, if you really want to get stimulated 1. You have an imagination or 2. Wait for a partner.

Sorry, went on a bit of a ramble. I'm just completely opposed to pornography - But I'd love to hear all your views. Do you think it is acceptable or not.

* I know child pornography (explicit images of children) is banned in..nearly all countries *

Mathew
13-10-2011, 09:38 PM
Why on earth do you want to ban it? If you want to live in a dictatorship by having your personal rights and freedom completely stripped then move to China and you'll be running back West within the day. Regardless of whether China ban it or not, it's the principle of limiting their citizens in the first place which is horrific.

My view on this is simple. It's not yours, mine or the state's business what people get up to in their own homes. If people want to watch pornography, let them. They're not harming anyone. What gives the state the right to impose their power in our personal lives? Of course, children shouldn't be watching it; but that isn't the state's problem. You'd be nearer to the truth by saying the slight problem lies with the parents for not blocking such sites, or at least teaching them if it becomes a problem (although I would suggest that most children would know of it and click away).

Society is changing. People are changing. Attitudes are changing. You can't stop change because every day there's a new status quo. Let people make their own mind up about things rather than the state getting involved and holding our hands along the way.

beth
13-10-2011, 09:43 PM
pornography is completely acceptable to me. i think the only people who have problems with pornography (and i'm not talking child pornography or beastiality or any other kind of taboo porn) are generally people who have insecurities with their own morals and sexual desire. i think it's perfectly natural for people to do what, we as humans, were created to do. which is enjoy sexual stimulation. obviously the process of having sex was originally just for breeding (hahaha sounds like dogs), but society and humanity has moved forward a long long way and i would now say rather than a primary function, breeding is now the secondary function of sexual intercourse.

the most bizarre thing i find is when people in relationships have problems with their partners watching pornography. why?! i don't get it. yr partner isn't actually having sex with that person, they're just watching a video of that person having sex. just shows complete insecurity if you think one person watching another person having sex on video means they don't love you.

obviously children shouldn't be watching pornography, but the sexualisation of children is another topic. i don't think any SANE adult lets their children watch pornography and if a child does stumble upon it on the internet, then their parents should maybe think about investing in some internet security. though tbh "child" is a loose term, i think from about 14+ it's okay to watch porn. i think it can be quite educational really hahahaha.


just wanted to add to this cause i didn't see this before:

"if you really want to get stimulated 1. You have an imagination or 2. Wait for a partner"

why? why should i? who has the right to tell me what i can do with my body in my own house. if i want to sit in my room watching porn all day i have the absolute right to. if i'm making THAT choice then who else has a ******* right to tell me any different? you sound a bit uptight, maybe you should have a tug.

Inseriousity.
13-10-2011, 09:46 PM
Something to do to pass the time. As long as people are aware that it's not real, it's fine. It's when people have horribly misguided views over what a female/male should look like based on what they've seen in pornography that it becomes unacceptable but this is just a negative consequence to something that people are naturally going to do whether you ban it or not. If you banned it, there'd just be a blackmarket trade of dirty dvds and magazines.

Oleh
13-10-2011, 11:51 PM
As scientific studies reveal "rubbing the johnson" is a method of reducing the risk of testicular cancer, porn is all the more useful in today's society.

As porn is just as useful as a sex education video, it is a good thing. It can educate randy teens how to have intercourse properly, do everything safely and of course, know which profession to move into.


on your third point, porn cannot tell you anything about china nor the outside worlds chatter about it, therefore isn't banned.

-:Undertaker:-
14-10-2011, 03:16 AM
As sympathetic to your arguments as I am, being conservative myself, I cannot support the state banning what is essentially something that is not the business of the state. I would however, in a question to Matthew among others who are now using the 'state cant stop me' card which is all very well and good - but do you have the same stance on the fox hunting ban, the smoking ban and so on? if so, like myself, you think all these ought to be repealed then we are in agreement on the principle that the state should keep its nose out of our business and your argument is sound and principled.

If not, well, i'd have to say you're talking complete rubbish.


As scientific studies reveal "rubbing the johnson" is a method of reducing the risk of testicular cancer, porn is all the more useful in today's society.

As porn is just as useful as a sex education video, it is a good thing. It can educate randy teens how to have intercourse properly, do everything safely and of course, know which profession to move into.

on your third point, porn cannot tell you anything about china nor the outside worlds chatter about it, therefore isn't banned.

Sex Education has failed utterly - since Sex Education was introduced we've had more abortion, more teenage pregnancy and more disease. Sex Education was never about 'educating' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci), it was always about demoralising society - personally I find it shows just how sick we are as a country, that we now show primary school children how to have sex.

beth
14-10-2011, 04:05 AM
As sympathetic to your arguments as I am, being conservative myself, I cannot support the state banning what is essentially something that is not the business of the state. I would however, in a question to Matthew among others who are now using the 'state cant stop me' card which is all very well and good - but do you have the same stance on the fox hunting ban, the smoking ban and so on? if so, like myself, you think all these ought to be repealed then we are in agreement on the principle that the state should keep its nose out of our business and your argument is sound and principled.

If not, well, i'd have to say you're talking complete rubbish.



Sex Education has failed utterly - since Sex Education was introduced we've had more abortion, more teenage pregnancy and more disease. Sex Education was never about 'educating' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci), it was always about demoralising society - personally I find it shows just how sick we are as a country, that we now show primary school children how to have sex.

whereas i don't like fox hunting, i agree that bans such as that should be left to the person nvolved. if you don't like fox hunting, don't go hunting. if you don't like smoking, don't smoke. if you don't like porn, you have every right to remove yrself from it as much as i have the right to watch it if i wanted to.

AgnesIO
14-10-2011, 07:29 AM
Will post later, but to the OP are you relatively young, since I think most girls I know have HEARD of three sites.

Ostinato
14-10-2011, 02:03 PM
I think you need to clarify whether your issue is with porn in general and whether or not it should be socially acceptable, or whether the issue is of underage viewers of pornography - as both are ultimately very seperate issues.

As many people have already said - obviously you are entitled to your own opinion and if you dislike porn or what you think it stands for then nobody is making you watch it and so it shouldn't be a part of your life. However, similairly if people do wish to watch it for personal stimulation then it should ultimately be up to that individual and no-one else should have the authority to tell someone what they can and can't do. Of course - illegal subject matters are outwith this and obviously porn containing minors etc. is a completely different issue.

I think you need to realise that the sort of personality and attitudes you have are ultimately the minority in our society. That is not an issue and is perfectly acceptable - however you need to put these opinions in a realistic context also. You mention how outrageous it is that young people can view pornography at such a young age and use it to get off.

However, whether you like it or not society is sexualised now - and from roughyl the age of 13 and upwards kids these days are constantly thinking about sex and are curious about their bodies and what they can do with them. Surely it's better for their health, development and general safety that they can access pornography if it gives them a safe means of exlporation as opposed to actually going out and doing it?

I think it is clear from other posts you have made that you personally have a low sex drive and are simply not interested in sexual relations with anyone. However - as I said to you before, it is my strong opinion that this will change. Ultimately you have been put on this earth to reproduce and that is your sole purpose. I think you are simply not at a stage of sexual maturity yet in which you are having physical attractions or urges to explore any element of sex or what your body can do. I promise you - whether you think it now or don't want it to, it will come. (Pardon the pun).

Don't get me wrong - some people do have low sex drives and lead happy lives and don't have much sex, however - it is the same principle of a child. Most kids don't ever think really of sex in a serious manner or have any physical urges to experiment until their body is at a stage of maturity and they become curious. Perhaps your development in this area is simply in the latter in comparison to your peers - and this is why you are finding your views so different from others.

Ultimately - to summarise, I think your views are perfectly acceptible but simply unrealistic. You may have a understandable dislike for pornography and the way in which it is now embedded within society - but ultimately you simply cannot get away from the fact that you are living in a sexualised society within which the citizens are sexually active and the children of today are curious about their bodies and development.

I simply put it to you - would you not rather that the kids of today can experiment in a safe environment using porn rather than finding people who they can carry acts out with and experiment in person and ultimately risk their own health and safety, or worse yet increasing their risk of becoming pregnant and therefore becoming a bigger burdon on the state overall?

Jordan:A
14-10-2011, 02:07 PM
I don't see anything wrong with legal porn, it'd probably be better in a bad relationship to go and watch some porn than go to a brothel or something..

Jordy
14-10-2011, 02:32 PM
As scientific studies reveal "rubbing the johnson" is a method of reducing the risk of testicular cancer, porn is all the more useful in today's society.

As porn is just as useful as a sex education video, it is a good thing. It can educate randy teens how to have intercourse properly, do everything safely and of course, know which profession to move into.


on your third point, porn cannot tell you anything about china nor the outside worlds chatter about it, therefore isn't banned.Classic virgin, porn has very little to do with sex. The similarities between the sex in porn and in real life are a world apart. Most the positions etc they use in porn are simply for good camera angles, in real life they'd be extremely painful and I think you'd be surprised how much pain many porn stars go through (but hide on camera of course). Whilst I've no issue at all with porn, using it for "education" or being influenced by it will simply make you look a fool.

Casio
14-10-2011, 02:35 PM
Porn is very good for personal use, but for educational, that's just damn right weird.

Oleh
14-10-2011, 03:46 PM
Classic virgin, porn has very little to do with sex. The similarities between the sex in porn and in real life are a world apart. Most the positions etc they use in porn are simply for good camera angles, in real life they'd be extremely painful and I think you'd be surprised how much pain many porn stars go through (but hide on camera of course). Whilst I've no issue at all with porn, using it for "education" or being influenced by it will simply make you look a fool.

Tis why I'm a virgin unfortunately. The countless pornos didn't help in chatting up ladies quite frankly.

beth
14-10-2011, 04:02 PM
idk if it's so weird for it to be used as educational ha, i was in a relationship before with a virgin and porn helped him be LESS nervous about having sex for the first time. even if it's nothing like sex, it can kinda show where you put it and how haahahahhaha.

Stephen
14-10-2011, 04:23 PM
aslong as he weren't watching anal

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Stephen
14-10-2011, 04:38 PM
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Camy
14-10-2011, 04:41 PM
I know that A LOT of men watch/claim to watch porn - I mean, at my school it's like a generalised discussion...instead of "How are you" it's now "Did you have a nice _____ last night" which is frankly disgusting, I don't really want to hear you discussing that. I also said men because I don't pornography is such a big issue with women - I thought it was more of a 'man thing' (sorry if I'm wrong) - if you asked a man to name 3 porn sites, he could. If you asked a woman..not so sure.

I just find it ridiculous that you want to discuss how your 'evening' was, in that manner. Especially in school... I'd rather listen to them blabber on about CoD or whatever it is.

2. The average age children first watch porn. Statistics for America suggest that the first age a child watches pornography is 11. In the UK, it's 10. Do you really want that thought of a year/grade 5 or 6 having 'fun' over some naked stranger..it's disgusting and perverted. I have a 9 and a 10 year old sister - I really don't want the thought that they've watched it >.<

3. Your personal view on pornography. I'm gonna admit that I'm one of the people who hasn't watched porn. I just don't see why on earth you would want to 'get stimulated' over some random girl via the internet/magazines/whatever - seriously, it's disgusting (in my opinion). If you were to ask, yes I do know 2 pornographic sites, no I am not going to post them due to common sense. I only know them because they're discussed so often.

Also, I think that all pornography should just be banned. In China, they have the strictest filtering system of all - wikipedia is blocked, youtube is blocked - heck, even amnesty international is blocked. Is all porn blocked... no! They've 'relaxed' on pornographic websites..but not YouTube :S. I don't see why pornography doesn't deserve a world-wide ban, if you really want to get stimulated 1. You have an imagination or 2. Wait for a partner.
1) I'll agree with you on this, I remember when i started secondary and people used to always say things like: 'have a good **** last night?' etc. Just annoyed me at the time, being 11/12, told them where to go.

2) I think it's up to the parents, if they don't want them seeing it, they should put measures in place on their computers, if not, then well it's their choice. That's generally the age teenagers start puberty? So if they want to experiment, I don't see the harm. I didn't see anything until I was 13/14, but I know other people had seen it at 11/12, I just waited until I felt ready for it. And having thought's of them watching it? Why would you be doing that...

3) In my opinion, pornography is fine, a good thing, it let's you explore things without having to do anything stupid, and can make you more comfortable with your sexuality.
I'm trying to understand why/how you find it all so disgusting, but I just can't.
It also relieves alot of stress too.

"I don't see why pornography doesn't deserve a world-wide ban, if you really want to get stimulated 1. You have an imagination or 2. Wait for a partner." - Seriously? This is the kind of attitude that annoys me, just because you don't enjoy it, or a group of people don't enjoy it, doesn't mean you have the right to try and ruin things for everyone else. Just stay clear of it.

Wig44.
14-10-2011, 04:59 PM
I never thought porn was an issue until I discovered sites like this one: http://yourbrainonporn.com/

Porn can be quite mentally damaging, this can manifest physically too, erectile disfunction is on the increase in young men.

Inseriousity.
14-10-2011, 05:04 PM
aslong as he weren't watching anal

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"yeh i want backdoor babes 8 please xxxx"

Doesn't matter cos bethie's into that. Maybe that's where she got it from... hmmm.

I don't think porn is educational but it does highlight the pointlessness of the current sexual education in schools if people think it is.

beth
14-10-2011, 05:16 PM
http://www.habboxforum.com/converse.php?u=18342&u2=26409
"yeh i want backdoor babes 8 please xxxx"

Doesn't matter cos bethie's into that. Maybe that's where she got it from... hmmm.

I don't think porn is educational but it does highlight the pointlessness of the current sexual education in schools if people think it is.

omg it was not anal, you are ALL vile. i don't know if educational is the right word, obviously i don't mean people should watch porn and learn what sex is. it can give confidence because it's not like you can practise it hahaha and it's not as though sex education is ever gonna be giving advice on position to do yr girl for maximum effect.

MKR&*42
14-10-2011, 06:13 PM
And..here come the quotes >.<


Of course, children shouldn't be watching it; but that isn't the state's problem. You'd be nearer to the truth by saying the slight problem lies with the parents for not blocking such sites, or at least teaching them if it becomes a problem (although I would suggest that most children would know of it and click away).

Society is changing. People are changing. Attitudes are changing. You can't stop change because every day there's a new status quo. Let people make their own mind up about things rather than the state getting involved and holding our hands along the way.

1. The weakness in your point there is 'The problem lies with the parent for not blocking such sites'. Do you realise, how incredibly easy it is for a child to bypass a filter/remove a filter? For example, if a parent blocked all searches for 'porn' on all search engines - all the child needs to do, is to go into options and turn safe-search off.

Also, parental controls is easy to bypass. Not all websites are blocked by parental controls - if the parents want to type out every pornsite they wish to be blocked, then fine. But if they put .. idk "extreme protection" on web-searches -it won't always work. Parental controls is useless 99% of the time.

2. If you're going to say that the state shouldn't be involved about 'things'. Then, I'm sorry but that's almost impossible. Nearly every website on the internet monitors your information e.g. Facebook keeps data of every website you visit for a 9 month period... mhm. TV channels you watch are also monitored by 'people' - you have almost, no say in what the state get involved in... Especially if it's your own opinion.

What if a person decided "I feel like murdering people today instead of watching porn" ...would you want the state involved then? Both of those situations involve a persons choice, the state won't allow everyone to make every choice they want :S

3. Attitudes may be changing, but do you really want to follow these attitudes? Who knows, in 200 years time - Prostitution may become a 'hobby' for every person in the future... (I'm not saying that's going to actually happen -_-)


i would now say rather than a primary function, breeding is now the secondary function of sexual intercourse.

the most bizarre thing i find is when people in relationships have problems with their partners watching pornography. why?! i don't get it.

i think it can be quite educational really hahahaha.

you sound a bit uptight, maybe you should have a tug.

1. ... Wow at the last sentence.
2. 'Educational' - Ok then.
3. I think people in a relationship would have a problem with their 'other half' watching porn because.. well If I was married to someone, I don't she'd like the thought of me jacking off to some other woman on the internet would she? Basically, if you want to watch porn of some other woman whilst in a serious relationship - then they shouldn't even be in a relationship. If you've clearly got a connection with a man/woman then you'd surely want to be faithful and loving towards them... not imply "Oh, you're not beautiful IMO, so I'm gonna watch some naked stranger online".

Basically, if you're married/in a serious relationship and only care about how attractive a man/woman is and how excited you get by jacking off to them. Then tbh, you shouldn't be in that relationship - you should be a promiscuous man/woman if that's what "floats your boat".


Something to do to pass the time. As long as people are aware that it's not real, it's fine. It's when people have horribly misguided views over what a female/male should look like based on what they've seen in pornography that it becomes unacceptable but this is just a negative consequence to something that people are naturally going to do whether you ban it or not. If you banned it, there'd just be a blackmarket trade of dirty dvds and magazines.

Don't really have much to pick out here except about the 'black-market trade' thing. I agree that it would definitely cause that, but it would limit the number of people who actually viewed porn - I don't think every single person has an interest in buying (if banned) banned magazines and dvds.


As scientific studies reveal "rubbing the johnson" is a method of reducing the risk of testicular cancer, porn is all the more useful in today's society.

As porn is just as useful as a sex education video, it is a good thing. It can educate randy teens how to have intercourse properly, do everything safely and of course, know which profession to move into.

porn cannot tell you anything about china nor the outside worlds chatter about it, therefore isn't banned.

1. Loved the last sentence xL

2. 'Reducing the risk of cancer'. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of all these facts about 'blah blah reduces risk of cancer'. People who have been healthy all their life - lived a good lifestyle, still get cancer... it can be random! You can't purely base the chances of getting cancer on a few facts >.<

Example: Smoking increases chance of cancer, un-healthy lifestyle increases chance of dying early. Well my grandparents lived near a person who'd smoke sinced he was a teen, wasn't healthy throughout is life and wasn't that out-going. He lived to 100 .. he didn't die from cancer or any other terminal illness.

3. Porn does not bring up 'safe views'... Enough said. You don't see some woman on a porn video going "Now, always remember to put a condom on when having sex, and to see your dr. immediately if you have signs of an STI/STD", do you...

4. Fine, I agree that it can give 'information' about sex positions to 'randy teens'.. Don't see why they need to be that interested at 13-16. I'm pretty sure, that most people would want the "missionary" position when first having sex, they don't need to learn how to have 69 properly.


As sympathetic to your arguments as I am, being conservative myself, I cannot support the state banning what is essentially something that is not the business of the state. I would however, in a question to Matthew among others who are now using the 'state cant stop me' card which is all very well and good - but do you have the same stance on the fox hunting ban, the smoking ban and so on? if so, like myself, you think all these ought to be repealed then we are in agreement on the principle that the state should keep its nose out of our business and your argument is sound and principled.

If not, well, i'd have to say you're talking complete rubbish.



Sex Education has failed utterly - since Sex Education was introduced we've had more abortion, more teenage pregnancy and more disease. Sex Education was never about 'educating' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci), it was always about demoralising society - personally I find it shows just how sick we are as a country, that we now show primary school children how to have sex.

Not much to say here either - I agree that Sex Education is that useful. But I don't think that turning to porn is a suitable solution at all, I'd rather have someone with experience e.g. a doctor (IDK?) tell me how to have sex safely. Not some teacher who knows **** all, apart from what the government force-feed them.


I think you need to clarify whether your issue is with porn in general and whether or not it should be socially acceptable, or whether the issue is of underage viewers of pornography - as both are ultimately very seperate issues.

As many people have already said - obviously you are entitled to your own opinion and if you dislike porn or what you think it stands for then nobody is making you watch it and so it shouldn't be a part of your life. However, similairly if people do wish to watch it for personal stimulation then it should ultimately be up to that individual and no-one else should have the authority to tell someone what they can and can't do. Of course - illegal subject matters are outwith this and obviously porn containing minors etc. is a completely different issue.

I think you need to realise that the sort of personality and attitudes you have are ultimately the minority in our society. That is not an issue and is perfectly acceptable - however you need to put these opinions in a realistic context also. You mention how outrageous it is that young people can view pornography at such a young age and use it to get off.

However, whether you like it or not society is sexualised now - and from roughyl the age of 13 and upwards kids these days are constantly thinking about sex and are curious about their bodies and what they can do with them. Surely it's better for their health, development and general safety that they can access pornography if it gives them a safe means of exlporation as opposed to actually going out and doing it?

I think it is clear from other posts you have made that you personally have a low sex drive and are simply not interested in sexual relations with anyone. However - as I said to you before, it is my strong opinion that this will change. Ultimately you have been put on this earth to reproduce and that is your sole purpose. I think you are simply not at a stage of sexual maturity yet in which you are having physical attractions or urges to explore any element of sex or what your body can do. I promise you - whether you think it now or don't want it to, it will come. (Pardon the pun).

Don't get me wrong - some people do have low sex drives and lead happy lives and don't have much sex, however - it is the same principle of a child. Most kids don't ever think really of sex in a serious manner or have any physical urges to experiment until their body is at a stage of maturity and they become curious. Perhaps your development in this area is simply in the latter in comparison to your peers - and this is why you are finding your views so different from others.

Ultimately - to summarise, I think your views are perfectly acceptible but simply unrealistic. You may have a understandable dislike for pornography and the way in which it is now embedded within society - but ultimately you simply cannot get away from the fact that you are living in a sexualised society within which the citizens are sexually active and the children of today are curious about their bodies and development.

I simply put it to you - would you not rather that the kids of today can experiment in a safe environment using porn rather than finding people who they can carry acts out with and experiment in person and ultimately risk their own health and safety, or worse yet increasing their risk of becoming pregnant and therefore becoming a bigger burdon on the state overall?

I don't really have much to add here :L

1. I don't think the point about 'experimenting' is still valid. Right, so I understand that some teenagers genuinely are interested in finding out about sex but the majority are just doing it as a hobby/for fun. I don't think you'd learn much - jacking off to the same thing every day X_x Also, in regards to pregnancy - well they shouldn't experiment until they're in a proper relationship... or if they want to be promiscuous, then they need to try and be as safe as possible if they don't want to become pregnant (for women).

2. My issue is with all porn in general - Including children who watch porn. I don't see why people find it socially acceptable for anyone to watch porn (inc. children) not just specifically kids.


1) I'll agree with you on this, I remember when i started secondary and people used to always say things like: 'have a good **** last night?' etc. Just annoyed me at the time, being 11/12, told them where to go.

2) I think it's up to the parents, if they don't want them seeing it, they should put measures in place on their computers, if not, then well it's their choice. That's generally the age teenagers start puberty? So if they want to experiment, I don't see the harm. I didn't see anything until I was 13/14, but I know other people had seen it at 11/12, I just waited until I felt ready for it. And having thought's of them watching it? Why would you be doing that...

3) In my opinion, pornography is fine, a good thing, it let's you explore things without having to do anything stupid, and can make you more comfortable with your sexuality.
I'm trying to understand why/how you find it all so disgusting, but I just can't.
It also relieves alot of stress too.

"I don't see why pornography doesn't deserve a world-wide ban, if you really want to get stimulated 1. You have an imagination or 2. Wait for a partner." - Seriously? This is the kind of attitude that annoys me, just because you don't enjoy it, or a group of people don't enjoy it, doesn't mean you have the right to try and ruin things for everyone else. Just stay clear of it.

I've sort of explained everything you mentioned already, so just take a look at everything below the other quotes ^_^.


I don't know if educational is the right word.

Well, in that situation - you should have said; "It can make people more confident in regards to sex". I've already argued about that btw.

Ok, that's most of the quotes - the rest.. didn't really need a reply :L

Oleh
14-10-2011, 06:34 PM
1. Loved the last sentence xL

2. 'Reducing the risk of cancer'. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of all these facts about 'blah blah reduces risk of cancer'. People who have been healthy all their life - lived a good lifestyle, still get cancer... it can be random! You can't purely base the chances of getting cancer on a few facts >.<

Example: Smoking increases chance of cancer, un-healthy lifestyle increases chance of dying early. Well my grandparents lived near a person who'd smoke sinced he was a teen, wasn't healthy throughout is life and wasn't that out-going. He lived to 100 .. he didn't die from cancer or any other terminal illness.


Facts are named Facts for a reason.. Because they are Fact. and to correct my point it can be both Testicular and Prostate. Yes you are true, because cancer can attack at any time, but what I said was "reduces the risk" and that was used in the same context as apples "faster internet" tagline on the iphone 4s.

Ardemax
14-10-2011, 07:29 PM
Apart from the downgrading to women and all that, I think it's ok for someone to do what they like on the computer, as long as they don't bang on about it the next day.

Camy
14-10-2011, 07:48 PM
"What if a person decided "I feel like murdering people today instead of watching porn" ...would you want the state involved then?" - I don't get this, how has this got anything to do with porn. I very much doubt people that decide to murder people, type into google 'How to murder someone' then a solution comes up. But hey, I wouldn't be surprised.

"Both of those situations involve a persons choice, the state won't allow everyone to make every choice they want :S" That's not really the way things work though, you've always got the choice, even with murder. Most normal people know not to murder people, the state just put in place consequences incase people do decide to do it. Blocking sites takes away that choice, which just shouldn't happen.

"I think people in a relationship would have a problem with their 'other half' watching porn because.. well If I was married to someone, I don't she'd like the thought of me jacking off to some other woman on the internet would she? Basically, if you want to watch porn of some other woman whilst in a serious relationship - then they shouldn't even be in a relationship. If you've clearly got a connection with a man/woman then you'd surely want to be faithful and loving towards them... not imply "Oh, you're not beautiful IMO, so I'm gonna watch some naked stranger online"." - If you're in a serious relationship, I'm pretty sure the trust would be there, things would get stale after a while of being together, and sometimes maybe their partner wouldn't be in the mood. I doubt they would think 'jacking off' over someone else is equal to being unfaithful, or implying they didn't find them attractive. I guess some people would but, I still feel we should always have that choice.

"Basically, if you're married/in a serious relationship and only care about how attractive a man/woman is and how excited you get by jacking off to them. Then tbh, you shouldn't be in that relationship - you should be a promiscuous man/woman if that's what "floats your boat"." - Implying 'jacking off' is some big thing, equal to cheating. It's just not.

"Don't really have much to pick out here except about the 'black-market trade' thing. I agree that it would definitely cause that, but it would limit the number of people who actually viewed porn - I don't think every single person has an interest in buying (if banned) banned magazines and dvds." - Quite possibly it would, but why should the choice be taken away. Why does it bother you so much if that's what people like to do in their own time?

"Not much to say here either - I agree that Sex Education is that useful. But I don't think that turning to porn is a suitable solution at all, I'd rather have someone with experience e.g. a doctor (IDK?) tell me how to have sex safely. Not some teacher who knows **** all, apart from what the government force-feed them." Someone with experience? WHAT? Implying all teachers are virgins? OK.

"I don't think the point about 'experimenting' is still valid. Right, so I understand that some teenagers genuinely are interested in finding out about sex but the majority are just doing it as a hobby/for fun. I don't think you'd learn much - jacking off to the same thing every day X_x " Hahahaha, there's a whole world of different porn out there, women/men of all shapes and sizes and into different things, 80% or a crazy percentage of the internet is porn, so it's hardly the same thing every day, and definitely does let people experiment.

"My issue is with all porn in general - Including children who watch porn. I don't see why people find it socially acceptable for anyone to watch porn (inc. children) not just specifically kids." That's just my main point really, it's not so much socially acceptable, it's just something people enjoy. The only time people brag about it/make it a big thing, is in school, guys just trying to do each other etc.

I'm trying to understand your point of view, but it's just so different from my own, I'm having trouble.

The Don
14-10-2011, 10:45 PM
lol at the comparison between murdering people and watching porn. Watching porn doesn't affect anyone besides the individual viewing it.

beth
14-10-2011, 11:16 PM
Apart from the downgrading to women and all that, I think it's ok for someone to do what they like on the computer, as long as they don't bang on about it the next day.

i think the word yr looking for is degrading and it isn't degrading to women. i find it empowering, but that's a whole different argument.

Wig44.
15-10-2011, 11:05 AM
i think the word yr looking for is degrading and it isn't degrading to women. i find it empowering, but that's a whole different argument.
It's pretty degrading in my eyes..

MKR&*42
15-10-2011, 11:14 AM
It's pretty degrading in my eyes..

I'd have to agree... unless a woman likes the viewpoint that their body is purely for sex/pleasure?

and I don't think they do...if I went and asked a woman now, if she'd like my view that 'the female body is just for sex' she'd prob. slap me? XL

AgnesIO
15-10-2011, 12:28 PM
I'd have to agree... unless a woman likes the viewpoint that their body is purely for sex/pleasure?

and I don't think they do...if I went and asked a woman now, if she'd like my view that 'the female body is just for sex' she'd prob. slap me? XL

You do realise not all porn is females..?

MKR&*42
15-10-2011, 12:35 PM
You do realise not all porn is females..?

I know it's not all women. The majority of it is though - and I was only discussing how degrading it is for women, I didn't mention males.

DPS
15-10-2011, 01:11 PM
I love porn, if you got it banned i'd have to kill you.

Im being serious...

Ardemax
15-10-2011, 01:45 PM
i think the word yr looking for is degrading and it isn't degrading to women. i find it empowering, but that's a whole different argument.

Yeah sorry wrong word haha.

But I would disagree 100%, how are woman who get abused by men "empowered"?

They are setting the example to young girls and women that they should grow up to please men, that academics gets you nowhere and that it's all about what you look on the outside, rather than what you stand for and your personality.

Ostinato
15-10-2011, 01:49 PM
I don't really have much to add here :L

1. I don't think the point about 'experimenting' is still valid. Right, so I understand that some teenagers genuinely are interested in finding out about sex but the majority are just doing it as a hobby/for fun. I don't think you'd learn much - jacking off to the same thing every day X_x Also, in regards to pregnancy - well they shouldn't experiment until they're in a proper relationship... or if they want to be promiscuous, then they need to try and be as safe as possible if they don't want to become pregnant (for women).

2. My issue is with all porn in general - Including children who watch porn. I don't see why people find it socially acceptable for anyone to watch porn (inc. children) not just specifically kids.



I've sort of explained everything you mentioned already, so just take a look at everything below the other quotes ^_^.



Well, in that situation - you should have said; "It can make people more confident in regards to sex". I've already argued about that btw.

Ok, that's most of the quotes - the rest.. didn't really need a reply :L

Sorry but you need to get real.

If you seriously think kids "shouldn't experiment until they are in a loving relationship" you seriously need to re-evaluate the type of society you are living in and emigrate to a morman land or something. I think it is extremely naive that you think kids shouldn't experiment until they are in a relationship - it's simply not natural, never going to happen and the idea of the concept is ridiculous.

Or will this be another mass ban you think should happen in regards to banning all pornography?

AgnesIO
15-10-2011, 01:52 PM
I know it's not all women. The majority of it is though - and I was only discussing how degrading it is for women, I didn't mention males.

For someone who is so against it, you appear to have a very good understanding and knowledge of it.

MKR&*42
15-10-2011, 01:56 PM
Sorry but you need to get real.

If you seriously think kids "shouldn't experiment until they are in a loving relationship" you seriously need to re-evaluate the type of society you are living in and emigrate to a morman land or something. I think it is extremely naive that you think kids shouldn't experiment until they are in a relationship - it's simply not natural, never going to happen and the idea of the concept is ridiculous.

Or will this be another mass ban you think should happen in regards to banning all pornography?

If you read what I said after that "or if they want to be promiscuous, then they need to try and be as safe as possible if they don't want to become pregnant (for women)." I'm not slating teens who want to have sex there - I'm advising them to be as safe as possible if they feel the need to go around "experimenting" . I don't want to ban teens from having sex >.<

Ostinato
15-10-2011, 02:21 PM
If you read what I said after that "or if they want to be promiscuous, then they need to try and be as safe as possible if they don't want to become pregnant (for women)." I'm not slating teens who want to have sex there - I'm advising them to be as safe as possible if they feel the need to go around "experimenting" . I don't want to ban teens from having sex >.<

So you would rather teens expriment and do go out and have sex with each other to satisfy any urges they get during adolescence - as long as their safe. Surely being in the comfort of their own house browsing some porn is going to be much safer and then there is 0 risk of getting pregnant also?

Your logic is flawed.

beth
15-10-2011, 04:59 PM
Yeah sorry wrong word haha.

But I would disagree 100%, how are woman who get abused by men "empowered"?

They are setting the example to young girls and women that they should grow up to please men, that academics gets you nowhere and that it's all about what you look on the outside, rather than what you stand for and your personality.

this is a very sexist attitude. women being abused by men? where's the abuse? the women involved in pornography are not forced to make the porn, and if they were the porn wouldn't be available. because that's rape. these women choose to get into the porn industry. i'm not very good at expressing my opinions none-verbally so i found a quote which pretty sums up my opinion from another forum with the same debate.


Personally, I think if you don't have a problem with it and it's a good way to make money, more power to you. I'd have thought it's degrading men for being dumb enough to hand over cash to see some skin. Surely this puts the woman in the position of power over the men...

porn in no way breeds these ideologies to those that watch it. what about lesbian porn then? does that mean women grow up thinking they should please women? the only women who feel that they should take some kind of guidance from porn movies are very insecure individuals, who probably should sort themselves out really.

The Don
15-10-2011, 05:23 PM
Yeah sorry wrong word haha.

But I would disagree 100%, how are woman who get abused by men "empowered"?

They are setting the example to young girls and women that they should grow up to please men, that academics gets you nowhere and that it's all about what you look on the outside, rather than what you stand for and your personality.

I don't want to know what porn you've been watching :l

Edited by Infectious (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make pointless posts!

Ardemax
15-10-2011, 07:05 PM
this is a very sexist attitude. women being abused by men? where's the abuse? the women involved in pornography are not forced to make the porn, and if they were the porn wouldn't be available. because that's rape. these women choose to get into the porn industry. i'm not very good at expressing my opinions none-verbally so i found a quote which pretty sums up my opinion from another forum with the same debate.



porn in no way breeds these ideologies to those that watch it. what about lesbian porn then? does that mean women grow up thinking they should please women? the only women who feel that they should take some kind of guidance from porn movies are very insecure individuals, who probably should sort themselves out really.

So you're saying that women who reveal themselves to men for money for cash, are better than them? Yeah, nice job there.

I honestly don't see how I have a sexist attitude. Lots of teenage boys are being brought up with the image in their heads that women are there as part of the furniture, an object. As someone who will do anything for a bit of dosh.

Have you seen the producers of lesbian porn? Who are the people that pay them to get saucy in front of a camera?

Would you not agree that women should be running for bigger and better academic roles in society than taking an "easy" route in life and bowing down to what many would call male supremacy?

GommeInc
15-10-2011, 09:54 PM
Hmm, mixed feelings from me. I've had (notice, HAD) a few friends who have unfotunately turned to pornography when they were in debt and need a bit of money, and I'm not sure what happens on set but they're never the same again. They become arrogant, selfish, emotionless drones who need to be chucked onto the scrap heap. Pornography isn't unacceptable as it can be artistic and beautiful in the art sense, from paintings to erotic photography, but the film version is so dodgy I'm amazed the industry is still going when the imagination is far more powerful than the cack the film studios churn out :P

I don't mind porn or discussing porn socially as sex is perfectly natural. Obviously going into the gory details is best left in the privacy of your homes rather than shouted across a table in a restaurant, but to silence people of it backward and unnecessary. I don't think porn is necessary, but it is unavoidable and if people want to watch it then so be it, but it should be left to those who know what sex is and what the consequences of porn are.

If it pleases people, then fine. But I worry about the well-being and mental stability of the porn stars involved.

beth
15-10-2011, 10:22 PM
So you're saying that women who reveal themselves to men for money for cash, are better than them? Yeah, nice job there.

I honestly don't see how I have a sexist attitude. Lots of teenage boys are being brought up with the image in their heads that women are there as part of the furniture, an object. As someone who will do anything for a bit of dosh.

Have you seen the producers of lesbian porn? Who are the people that pay them to get saucy in front of a camera?

Would you not agree that women should be running for bigger and better academic roles in society than taking an "easy" route in life and bowing down to what many would call male supremacy?

women should be entitled to do what they like, why you feel that everyone in porn is forced to make porn or is unhappy making porn is up to you. because it's not like that at all. if someone CHOOSES to make porn, then it's their bed and they will lie in it. i don't think it's abusive if yr agreeing to make it.

and yeah i do think the woman involved is better than the man watching. that woman is sitting there doing something that most people do at home for nothing and getting money for it, and the man still thinks he's exploiting the woman by "making" her do these things. a lot of women in porn are very very clever, and they know what they're doing.

and on yr final point. i am of the belief that people should be who they want to be and not strive to be something people expect them to be. if people want to aim to be a pornstar, then that's fine by me.

GommeInc
15-10-2011, 10:35 PM
and on yr final point. i am of the belief that people should be who they want to be and not strive to be something people expect them to be. if people want to aim to be a pornstar, then that's fine by me.
Fully agree. It can be quite a good business for the professional porn stars, but for the majority of porn stars it's very bad money. £200 per session is very lousy and the social stigma attached to pornography leaves a lot to be desired by the tax man and friends/family. If you strive to be a pornstar then good on you, but for the ones that do it because they're in debt or have very little money, you're doomed and may as well not do it and seek alternative arrangements.

beth
15-10-2011, 10:42 PM
Fully agree. It can be quite a good business for the professional porn stars, but for the majority of porn stars it's very bad money. £200 per session is very lousy and the social stigma attached to pornography leaves a lot to be desired by the tax man and friends/family. If you strive to be a pornstar then good on you, but for the ones that do it because they're in debt or have very little money, you're doomed and may as well not do it and seek alternative arrangements.

the problem is a lot of these people who are in debt haven't researched the industry and enter and basically find themselves a very small fish in an ocean. then these are the people who sell their stories to newspapers and this is how everyone forms the opinion that pornography is a dirty trade, where no-one is treated well and everyone is abused.
it's not like that at all.

GommeInc
15-10-2011, 10:46 PM
the problem is a lot of these people who are in debt haven't researched the industry and enter and basically find themselves a very small fish in an ocean. then these are the people who sell their stories to newspapers and this is how everyone forms the opinion that pornography is a dirty trade, where no-one is treated well and everyone is abused.
it's not like that at all.
Indeed, it's actually well thought through. If anything the only bad thing about the industry is the porn stars, with many like you said, being uneducated and blissfully unaware of the industry when they enter. I've not heard of many selling their stories though, many try to keep it secret as it's embarassing and they get a heck of a lot of abuse from people around them, especially enemies which interestly many porn stars have. I refer to my arrogant, selfish and emotionless points about the people I've known who have turned to porn :P

beth
15-10-2011, 10:51 PM
Indeed, it's actually well thought through. If anything the only bad thing about the industry is the porn stars, with many like you said, being uneducated and blissfully unaware of the industry when they enter. I've not heard of many selling their stories though, many try to keep it secret as it's embarassing and they get a heck of a lot of abuse from people around them, especially enemies which interestly many porn stars have. I refer to my arrogant, selfish and emotionless points about the people I've known who have turned to porn :P

if you read those really bad real life magazines (chat/pickmeup/real lives etc.etc.) there's nearly a story every week about a porn experiment gone wrong and some woman talking about how porn ruined her life. i dunno about the pornstar friends argument though, i have a couple of friends who work on those tv phonelines? where men ring in? and they're pretty much the same people they ever were, except they do far less work than the rest of us and earn far more.

GommeInc
15-10-2011, 10:57 PM
if you read those really bad real life magazines (chat/pickmeup/real lives etc.etc.) there's nearly a story every week about a porn experiment gone wrong and some woman talking about how porn ruined her life. i dunno about the pornstar friends argument though, i have a couple of friends who work on those tv phonelines? where men ring in? and they're pretty much the same people they ever were, except they do far less work than the rest of us and earn far more.
Hmm, perhaps it a gender difference? The only friends I had which turned to porn were all male, and they starred in it. It completely changed them, and made them a bit feckless, cold and selfish. Never been so disappointed in any individual before, and to be honest they deserved to be mocked with their attitude. It's a poor life move to move to porn when you have enemies or a poor personality to begin with. Also, those magazines are only really good for putting down on the floor so a pet doesn't make a mess on what's underneath :P

Ardemax
16-10-2011, 08:59 PM
women should be entitled to do what they like, why you feel that everyone in porn is forced to make porn or is unhappy making porn is up to you. because it's not like that at all. if someone CHOOSES to make porn, then it's their bed and they will lie in it. i don't think it's abusive if yr agreeing to make it.

and yeah i do think the woman involved is better than the man watching. that woman is sitting there doing something that most people do at home for nothing and getting money for it, and the man still thinks he's exploiting the woman by "making" her do these things. a lot of women in porn are very very clever, and they know what they're doing.

and on yr final point. i am of the belief that people should be who they want to be and not strive to be something people expect them to be. if people want to aim to be a pornstar, then that's fine by me.

This "yr" thing is getting very annoying, but oh well

I agree people should be entitled to do what they like - I haven't said anything different

Surely if the women in porn are so clever, they can go out and do something with their lives? Don't tell me being on the cover of nuts is getting somewhere in life, it isn't.

All im saying it it isn't a very good role model that porn stars/tv stars/music stars are portraying of what women should grow up to be.

I think P!NK is a very clever artist in the sense that she addresses some of these issues in her songs...

All the half naked women that appear on pop videos every day are sort of sending out the message that young girls should be more revealing to men, that they shouldn't go out and pursue an amazing career in life and instead do whatever is necessary to make money...

My thoughts only.

Ostinato
16-10-2011, 11:28 PM
To be frank I think half the problem with this debate, and the reason it even came up, is because the OP is currently not at a stage where he has any attraction to individuals and has no interest in sex or what comes with it (ie. porn etc.) and therefore has convinced himself of the attitude that all porn is terrible and should be deleted from the world.

As I say - it would be interesting to fast forward ten years and see what his opinion is then.

-:Undertaker:-
16-10-2011, 11:37 PM
To be frank I think half the problem with this debate, and the reason it even came up, is because the OP is currently not at a stage where he has any attraction to individuals and has no interest in sex or what comes with it (ie. porn etc.) and therefore has convinced himself of the attitude that all porn is terrible and should be deleted from the world.

As I say - it would be interesting to fast forward ten years and see what his opinion is then.

Many find pornography and the sic,k sex-obsessed culture we live in as disturbing, including myself.

Not all of us have fallen to the cultural revolutionaries.

Ostinato
16-10-2011, 11:40 PM
Many find pornography and the sic,k sex-obsessed culture we live in as disturbing, including myself.

Not all of us have fallen to the cultural revolutionaries.

I completely agree - many people understandably disagree with the pornography industry for a multitude of reasons - all of which are understandable and acceptable.

However, if you read my post I was actually referring to the original poster, and it is of my personal opinion that although he may hold these opinions now that the porn industry is sick and vile and some mass ban should be issued on it - I feel that his opinion may change in the future when he does become more physically attracted to others and perhaps begins to feel sexual stimulation towards them.

I may be wrong, but this is in my opinion in regards to the original poster - I never once stated that all of society are the same and that you or anyone else had not escaped the "sick sex obsessed culture".

dbgtz
17-10-2011, 06:22 PM
First of all; Please don't reply with something inappropriate X_X I don't want to hear about your 'exciting' life.

Ok,

So we were doing a whole topic on sex in the media (in R.e) and it sort of mentioned pornography. Now I was just wondering if you all find pornography acceptable...

1. I know that A LOT of men watch/claim to watch porn - I mean, at my school it's like a generalised discussion...instead of "How are you" it's now "Did you have a nice _____ last night" which is frankly disgusting, I don't really want to hear you discussing that. I also said men because I don't pornography is such a big issue with women - I thought it was more of a 'man thing' (sorry if I'm wrong) - if you asked a man to name 3 porn sites, he could. If you asked a woman..not so sure.

I just find it ridiculous that you want to discuss how your 'evening' was, in that manner. Especially in school... I'd rather listen to them blabber on about CoD or whatever it is.

2. The average age children first watch porn. Statistics for America suggest that the first age a child watches pornography is 11. In the UK, it's 10. Do you really want that thought of a year/grade 5 or 6 having 'fun' over some naked stranger..it's disgusting and perverted. I have a 9 and a 10 year old sister - I really don't want the thought that they've watched it >.<

So I think that it shouldn't be acceptable at all, especially if it's being shown to children at such a ridiculously low age!

3. Your personal view on pornography. I'm gonna admit that I'm one of the people who hasn't watched porn. I just don't see why on earth you would want to 'get stimulated' over some random girl via the internet/magazines/whatever - seriously, it's disgusting (in my opinion). If you were to ask, yes I do know 2 pornographic sites, no I am not going to post them due to common sense. I only know them because they're discussed so often.

Also, I think that all pornography should just be banned. In China, they have the strictest filtering system of all - wikipedia is blocked, youtube is blocked - heck, even amnesty international is blocked. Is all porn blocked... no! They've 'relaxed' on pornographic websites..but not YouTube :S. I don't see why pornography doesn't deserve a world-wide ban, if you really want to get stimulated 1. You have an imagination or 2. Wait for a partner.

Sorry, went on a bit of a ramble. I'm just completely opposed to pornography - But I'd love to hear all your views. Do you think it is acceptable or not.

* I know child pornography (explicit images of children) is banned in..nearly all countries *

1) Men? How old are you? Anyway I agree people talking about a **** is disgusting.

2) Just because they watch porn at a young age, does not mean they are getting off from it and they are just curious.

3) You say why you wouldn't want to get stimulated over a random girl, well many species have it with different mates each year, and I know that there are several types of "mating" but the point stands, ish. And the fact that trying to get laid would be much harder (especially at a younger age when old jim could be too small) and a much larger danger.

To be honest, the government should not be allowed to intervene with what a person does in private in their own home unless it affects others without their consent. And though there may be really nasty porn, it is the parents responsibility to care for the child and while you say that children can bypass it, could the parent check history (site and searches, I doubt a child would remember to delete them and even if they did the parent could quite easily notice that all of the history is gone)? Could they not watch them when they are home? Could they not buy further software to prevent access to porn sites which is much more restrictive?

To me, you are just getting personal opinion involved into what is pretty much a political subject (the banning of pornography). Whilst lazy and crap parents would support you all the way, you'd still have the young and old who do not have a woman and have sexual desires to counter it.

Slowpoke
17-10-2011, 10:51 PM
To be honest, the government should not be allowed to intervene with what a person does in private in their own home unless it affects others without their consent

That would be incredibly hard to police. Without going into detail, there is a large market for violent porn, bestiality porn, child porn and other types of extreme porn. These types of porn, when made, are often forced upon the people/animals taking part which is a negative impact upon them. By watching it, the viewer isn't actually affecting anyone else but as long as the demand is there, more will be created which in turn is harming more people and animals - am I making sense here? :P How are the government supposed to police those areas if they aren't intervening? It's extremely difficult subject to debate

I do think pornography is acceptable, but it's important that there are laws on what sorts are acceptable

Misawa
17-10-2011, 10:59 PM
Pornography sold in the UK is already regulated by the BBFC.

Slowpoke
17-10-2011, 11:05 PM
But surely there are loads of dodgy sites with unregulated content (ie, child/violent/rape/bestiality porn) that are accessible once you know the right (wrong) sort of people? It's like drug dealers only much more disgusting and malicious

AgnesIO
18-10-2011, 07:30 AM
But surely there are loads of dodgy sites with unregulated content (ie, child/violent/rape/bestiality porn) that are accessible once you know the right (wrong) sort of people? It's like drug dealers only much more disgusting and malicious

And let's be honest, the really bad sites would escape it anyway..

Rishwin
18-10-2011, 08:18 AM
For younger kids, no.

For adults, I guess they are mature enough to watch it, after all, it is their life. You can't stop them.

betheh
18-10-2011, 04:22 PM
its ok i suppose, but it should be more secure on the net so younger people dnt find it ;s

GommeInc
19-10-2011, 12:18 AM
But surely there are loads of dodgy sites with unregulated content (ie, child/violent/rape/bestiality porn) that are accessible once you know the right (wrong) sort of people? It's like drug dealers only much more disgusting and malicious
Freedom of Speech via the internet. Obviously the UK doesn't have any law regarding freedom of speech and expression, but the internet is incredibly old now and to act out on the internet now is stupid and pointless. If people get off on beastiliality, then so be it. It should only be a problem when an individual goes from virtual to physical, when a UK citizen begins sleeping with an animal publically and actually physically getting involved. It's why the Government at the moment is considered slow and out of touch, because they are acting on technoligical advances too late when the majority of people do not care and should not be considered criminals when the minorities of imbesiles feel offended or actually break UK based laws. I think internet laws should only effect people in the UK or the country of origin. Child pornography is an interesting subject. I don't think it's much of a problem if a person watches it, but it becomes a problem if they begin to reinact or distributed it, the latter two being breaches of copyright and actual UK/country specific laws. So if people film beastiphilia porn in the UK, they are breaking UK law but if someone is watching it in the UK in private then we shouldn't give a damn unless they begin reproducing it or acting it out in the UK.

Welcome to the age of Globalisation, where regulation is impossible unless done internationally :P

As for porn, it's mostly fine, even stuff not covered by the BBFC (amateur porn?). It's only when it breaks laws based purely in the country of origin that the content should be a concern. If parents are so badly informed by internet security then it's their fault, not the whole nation.

:Gero
19-10-2011, 01:29 PM
The internet is for...


On a serious note, I think it's perfectly fine. People have a choice to go to these sites, watch what they choose and what not to.The only problem I see with the internet today is the 'ease' of access to these sites. As many of you have stated, Children are a major concern, not exposing them to such content.

Though there are some types of porn that is just plain wrong.

dbgtz
19-10-2011, 09:46 PM
That would be incredibly hard to police. Without going into detail, there is a large market for violent porn, bestiality porn, child porn and other types of extreme porn. These types of porn, when made, are often forced upon the people/animals taking part which is a negative impact upon them. By watching it, the viewer isn't actually affecting anyone else but as long as the demand is there, more will be created which in turn is harming more people and animals - am I making sense here? :P How are the government supposed to police those areas if they aren't intervening? It's extremely difficult subject to debate

I do think pornography is acceptable, but it's important that there are laws on what sorts are acceptable

By what I said the viewer would not go against the law as they had the intent of "getting off" not making the porn, whereas the person who made it had the intent of forcing the person or animal into sexual acts. I think if someone requested more, then that would be a tricky and would be to the decision of the court.

Yupt
26-10-2011, 11:46 PM
I like porn.




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Vinnie:Safety
27-10-2011, 04:10 AM
I could sit here say the the maddest **** on you , probably type 10 paragraphs , but I'm gonna say is
When we were 8-12 did most of us have cell phones? Did we wear the clothes 8-12 year olds wear today?

Look at 9 year old girls wearing leggings and uggs, thatsexy sexy outfit. -_-

You have any idea the age kids are losing ther virginity, the age kids are first attending there first alcoholic party

16 year olds today have the same lives as 12 year olds.

I don't feel like explaining my point..
If you know where I'm going with this thn you do if not read what I wrote over and over and maybe go outside an see for yourself.

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---------- Post added 27-10-2011 at 04:12 AM ----------

I could probably add that 20-27 year old woman that are "******" are hard to come by
There are more "******" 16 year old girls out there... Or maybe it's just my sexual maturity BUT I DOUBT I AM THE ONLY ONE WITH THESE EXPERIENCES.

Again if u don't know what I'm saying go outside get off your computer stop watching porn (;

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beth
27-10-2011, 03:59 PM
I could sit here say the the maddest **** on you , probably type 10 paragraphs , but I'm gonna say is
When we were 8-12 did most of us have cell phones? Did we wear the clothes 8-12 year olds wear today?

Look at 9 year old girls wearing leggings and uggs, thatsexy sexy outfit. -_-

You have any idea the age kids are losing ther virginity, the age kids are first attending there first alcoholic party

16 year olds today have the same lives as 12 year olds.

I don't feel like explaining my point..
If you know where I'm going with this thn you do if not read what I wrote over and over and maybe go outside an see for yourself.

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---------- Post added 27-10-2011 at 04:12 AM ----------

I could probably add that 20-27 year old woman that are "******" are hard to come by
There are more "******" 16 year old girls out there... Or maybe it's just my sexual maturity BUT I DOUBT I AM THE ONLY ONE WITH THESE EXPERIENCES.

Again if u don't know what I'm saying go outside get off your computer stop watching porn (;

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leggings and ugg boots are a standard every day outfit. they don't reveal anything and maybe you need to review the way you look at women, and particularly younger girls.

MKR&*42
27-10-2011, 04:15 PM
leggings and ugg boots are a standard every day outfit. they don't reveal anything and maybe you need to review the way you look at women, and particularly younger girls.

Read below \/


Look at 9 year old girls wearing leggings and uggs, thatsexy sexy outfit. -_-

Believe me, uggs and leggings are no way revealing at all... Like bethie said, they're hardly unacceptable.

The only thing that annoys me clothes wise (on children) is stuff like this;

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h427/wazzervaldez/Howsickening.png

That is just... absolutely extreme, and you can imagine how people who jack off to child porn are going to react when they see that :S and I'm sure that Publicised will agree these are too extreme.

Btw, those are for 7 year olds .

Vinnie:Safety
27-10-2011, 04:20 PM
leggings and ugg boots are a standard every day outfit. they don't reveal anything and maybe you need to review the way you look at women, and particularly younger girls.

I think you need to talk to more woman, to know what they are really like, you obviously have no idea what they do or how they are,. Theres many different sides to people, public side and private side.

kuzkasate
27-10-2011, 04:22 PM
I saw some documentary about that a few months ago. 7 year olds in high heels with bra's and those adult like knickers with quite rude quotes on them - that's all just totally wrong. But you can't blame the kids, it's almost like a fashion now. What do kids want to be? Adults. How can they go about doing that? Dressing up like them. They see their mums, family members, favourite celebrities dress like that and they think 'I want to dress just like that!' It's not wrong in the eyes of the child, but it's the parents I am worried about. Why on earth would you let your child dress like that?

MKR&*42
27-10-2011, 04:27 PM
I saw some documentary about that a few months ago. 7 year olds in high heels with bra's and those adult like knickers with quite rude quotes on them - that's all just totally wrong. But you can't blame the kids, it's almost like a fashion now. What do kids want to be? Adults. How can they go about doing that? Dressing up like them. They see their mums, family members, favourite celebrities dress like that and they think 'I want to dress just like that!' It's not wrong in the eyes of the child, but it's the parents I am worried about. Why on earth would you let your child dress like that?

I saw something similar to that, it was on a special version of the 'Sex Education Show' (An amazing show tbqh.) and I think that the padded bras are slightly too far, and yeah... some of the quotes are like W.T.H

I would indeed blame the parents, my mum is always so critical over what my sisters wear and I'm like o.O Mum, they can decide for theirselves...

The high heels, I don't consider that much of an issue... no-one stares at a persons feet all the time. Whereas perv's are likely to stare at someones bra or knickers to get a bit 'excited'.

Ardemax
27-10-2011, 05:31 PM
I saw something similar to that, it was on a special version of the 'Sex Education Show' (An amazing show tbqh.) and I think that the padded bras are slightly too far, and yeah... some of the quotes are like W.T.H

I would indeed blame the parents, my mum is always so critical over what my sisters wear and I'm like o.O Mum, they can decide for theirselves...

The high heels, I don't consider that much of an issue... no-one stares at a persons feet all the time. Whereas perv's are likely to stare at someones bra or knickers to get a bit 'excited'.

I saw this also.

I think it's a mix between careless parenting and a young girl wanting to look "grown up" (of course these days it's normal to have kids by the time you're 20, something 50 years ago which would have been frowned upon)

There are so many other factors in this that would take years to explain (and by that time I'd have grand children... I keed I keed)

It's kind of bringing us back in time in terms of women's status in society (I think I've mentioned this before but what the hell) where young girls need to dress up "nicely" for boys, and as this attitude continues over time women just become objects to show off again.

beth
27-10-2011, 05:45 PM
I think you need to talk to more woman, to know what they are really like, you obviously have no idea what they do or how they are,. Theres many different sides to people, public side and private side.

yes being a female i have no idea what females do or how they act. wow. stop looking at young girls wearing leggings as objects of sex. you should look at a child and think okay thats a child not perv on it. wow.

Vinnie:Safety
28-10-2011, 01:55 PM
yes being a female i have no idea what females do or how they act.

Correct.

peteyt
28-10-2011, 03:10 PM
I came into this post quite late (no pun intended) so haven't seen all the replies. However the original poster touches on something interesting. 10 year old's watching porn.

If your saying we should ban porn because people too young are seeing it then shouldn't we be banning alcohol, smoking and all adult rated films (including non porn films).

I don't even think I had a computer at 10, now everyone seems to (Computers where far more expensive and bulky back then). However if we did have one, with the internet, I'm sure I'd have been monitored to a certain degree. It's like with anything, if the young are doing stuff they shouldn't their parents have a responsibility to try and stop them. Why should we suffer because they can't stop them.

The interesting thing is, correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of males in relationships still seem to watch porn. Some partners can find this problematic, but a lot just seem at least in today's age to feel its natural and nothing to worry about as everyone is doing it and its not like they are having an actual affair.

My only concern with porn as I think a few people have mentioned is it often isn't regulated, as in online porn. A lot of sites allow users to upload content and so content. We all know how easy it is for some girls to put on some make up on and get into a club/bar etc and get served alcohol so the chances are a lot of apparently legal porn is illegal.

Does anyone know the definition of child porn. I heard there's different classes. Obviously young young stuff would be at the top but for things borderline legal I'm not too sure. I did hear someone did get done for watching what he thought was legal porn, but it's one of those rumours that you never know is true.

chantellehugs
28-10-2011, 04:20 PM
I was watching The Sex Education show a while back and the woman made a point about porn not showing love or a loving relationship. Therefore if a child was to watch porn it might impact on how they view relationships and love. Having said that, porn was not made for children, adults are able to make their own choices on what they deem as a good relationship, etc.
By all means ban children from watching porn, when I have kids I'll be making sure the filter on the computer is working properly, but there's no reason to ban adults from watching porn. Wouldn't you much rather a crazy sex-driven person acted out their fantasies in front of their computer rather than attacking someone on the street...?

Jake
28-10-2011, 04:36 PM
Banned.. Most people in the world watch porn or have watched porn. Nowadays sex scenes in movies is classed as "porn"

Tbh 99% of people pleasure themselves in their lifetime. Watching something to help it is easier, Now your saying wait for a partner? Right so people who are unfortunate to not have a partner in their lifetime what are they supposed to do? They never get the experience of seeing what someone else looks like naked, what sex looks like.
And the religious point of view, people who don't watch porn or whatever they do (not religious but sure theres something out there like that) they dont have to watch it.. They can go through life not seeing a porn clip.

And as i agree more male people talk about watching porn, it doesnt mean women don't, hell ive had a few girlfriends who ive walked in on watching porn. And most of the women at work talk about it more than men

Lets face it, everyone watches porn in their lifetime so why ban something which brings in a hell of a lot of money each year just by essentially "having fun"

Stupid thread imho, ofcourse porn is acceptable.

HotelUser
28-10-2011, 04:39 PM
If a male tells you he doesn't watch porn he's probably not telling you the truth. If you're a girl who thinks watching porn is gross well I have news for you, every boy you've spoken to who's older than 12 looks at it, it's life!

In our society it's a right of passage for our gender and we all do or have in the past.

The only downside to this is that some folks aren't as good as hiding it as others, and when you throw the word family into this pot it's not one I want to be near.

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