Steve Jobs vowed to destroy Android

[scottish]

Steve Jobs said he wanted to destroy Android and would spend all of Apple's money and his dying breath if that is what it took to do so.

The full extent of his animosity towards Google's mobile operating system is revealed in a forthcoming authorised biography.

Mr Jobs told author Walter Isaacson that he viewed Android's similarity to iOS as "grand theft".

Apple is suing several smartphone makers which use the Android software.

According to extracts of Mr Isaacson's book, obtained by the Associated Press, Mr Jobs said: "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

He is also quoted as saying: "I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong."

Sour times

Apple enjoyed a close relationship with Google prior to the launch of the Android system. Google products, including maps and search formed a key part of the iPhone's ecosystem.

At that time, Google's chief executive, now chairman, Eric Schmidt also sat on the board of Apple.

However, relations began to sour when Google unveiled Android in November 2007, 10 months after the iPhone first appeared.

In subsequent years Apple rejected a number of Google programs from its App store, forcing the company to create less-integrated web app versions.

Android has subsequently enjoyed rapid adoption and now accounts for around 48% of global smartphone shipments, compared to 19% for Apple.

But its growth has not gone uncontested. Apple has waged an aggressive proxy-war against Android, suing a number of the hardware manufacturers which have adopted it for their tablets and smartphones.

Motorola was one of the first to be targeted, although it is Samsung that has borne the brunt of Mr Jobs' ire.

The South Korean firm is currently banned from selling its Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Australia and Germany because of a combination of patent infringements and "look and feel" similarities. A smartphone ban is also pending in the Netherlands.

Samsung is counter-suing Apple for infringing, it claims, several wireless technology patents which it holds the rights to.

Defence mechanism

Patents blogger Florian Mueller, who has been following the court cases closely, said Apple would be conscious of its past, where other companies exploited some of its early ideas.

"If Apple doesn't want the iPhone and iPad to be marginalized the way it happened to the Macintosh at the hands of the Wintel duopoly, it has to use the full force of its intellectual property to fend off the commoditization threat that Android represents," he told BBC News.

Mr Mueller was also critical of Eric Schmidt's dual role at the time: "The fact that Eric Schmidt stayed on Apple's board while he was preparing an iOS clone was an inexcusable betrayal of Steve Jobs' trust."

Mr Schmidt resigned from the Apple board in August 2009. He was later quoted by Bloomberg as saying: "I was on the board until I couldn't stay on the board anymore."


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[Lee]

haha right he is...

[GommeInc]

I don't know what to say about this but "Ahh, bless him". What a pathetic thing to say, from a man who wanted information to be freely accessible and wanted to change the shape of global technology. What a truely pathetic thing to say, if this is true. It's not even theft! It's called competition, and Android and iOS are quite different from each other. If he wants to talk about companies stealing, then he should take a long hard look at his empire from heaven/hell.

[Ardemax]

And this has only been released today?

I used to admire Steve, and some ways still do, what with him being a drop-out and adopted and everything. But the idea of "I can sue blahblah so I get more money" is just American and frustrating.

Blergh to him.

[-:Undertaker:-]

There's a great quote from Congressman Dr. Ron Paul i'm sure it is, along the lines of; all businessmen support competition - until they're ontop.

[Inseriousity.]

There's a great quote from Congressman Dr. Ron Paul i'm sure it is, along the lines of; all businessmen support competition - until they're ontop.

haha so true
although you don't know if he was being genuine when he said these. the whole 'my dying breath' thing just sounds like someone being sarcastically melodramatic imo.

[Chippiewill]

I'm predicting fake or grossly exaggerated.

[Dopiefreak]

And this has only been released today?

I used to admire Steve, and some ways still do, what with him being a drop-out and adopted and everything. But the idea of "I can sue blahblah so I get more money" is just American and frustrating.

Blergh to him.

For someone who had more money than he could ever spend, to come out with such a strong statement, shows that this was likely nothing to do with money. Apple have slaved away, specifically in the last 10 years, making amazing and intuitive products, through hard work and talent. I can only imagine how frustrating it is for your competitor to then come out with a product blatantly inspired by Apple a few months later.

For people like Steve Jobs, this is their life... I think money is irrelevant.

[scottish]

For people like Steve Jobs, this is their life... I think money is irrelevant.

I find this funny, this is not a pointless post

Very funny post.

[GommeInc]

Everywhere seems to be reporting on him saying this in his biography :/ BBC, Mashable, CNN, Reuters... Why must the media keep digging him up, tying string to his hands and feet and having him do yet another show?

I think Undertaker summed this up nicely. Jobs loved the idea of competition and business moving away from corporate norms, but once he got on top he decided he was exempt from his founding business philosophy and that anyone shaping the world for the good was bad, except himself. I really hope this isn't true because if it is, it's the pot calling the kettle black.

But I guess we can't rant and rave about it. Jobs' legacy is unnecessary corporate court cases, pointless patents and anti-competition. If he saw his company and himself about 20 or 30 years ago he would be angry at himself. If this book is accurate, it's just showing him up as being a megalomaniac :/

"Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
"Those who see splinters in the eyes of their competition cannot see the plank in their own eyes."

To name a few idioms ;)

[xxMATTGxx]

There's also this which I don't think is stated within the first post:


Of course, lawsuits are usually made to be settled, but Jobs was having none of it. Meeting with then-Google CEO Eric Schmidt, a man who for years sat on Apple's board before Android made that no longer possible, Jobs told Schmidt that money wasn't going to make it right. "I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it," Jobs reportedly said. "I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want." And with that, the door to any possible settlement was slammed shut. We wonder if Jobs' passing will open the door to lawsuit settlements down the road.

[Ajthedragon]

I was always told never to speak ill of the dead. Frankly Android did essentially copy iOS and in a business sense, I don't blame him at all.

Plus I expect it's massively exaggerated.

[Dopiefreak]

I find this funny, this is not a pointless post

Very funny post.

The guy worked right up until the day he died, despite the billions in his bank. What possible motivation would extra money give him when he realised death was only a few days away? Common sense would agree with my post.

Seeing one of his devices on nearly every person he walked past was likely much more of an ego booster than an extra $ in the bank.

[Ardemax]

For someone who had more money than he could ever spend, to come out with such a strong statement, shows that this was likely nothing to do with money. Apple have slaved away, specifically in the last 10 years, making amazing and intuitive products, through hard work and talent. I can only imagine how frustrating it is for your competitor to then come out with a product blatantly inspired by Apple a few months later.

For people like Steve Jobs, this is their life... I think money is irrelevant.


The guy worked right up until the day he died, despite the billions in his bank. What possible motivation would extra money give him when he realised death was only a few days away? Common sense would agree with my post.

Seeing one of his devices on nearly every person he walked past was likely much more of an ego booster than an extra $ in the bank.

I'm pretty sure every businessman wants money, including Steve Jobs.

I don't think money is "irrelevant" at all, seeing how Apple boasted about its' superiority compared with Windows at every possibility. Jobs wouldn't obviously take all the money for himself, instead leave it to Apple (you can imagine it like a will) and then they can continue the battle against Android as they see fit.

It is a shame to see someone die at a young age (56) but I'm sure Jobs was highly interested in how much he had in the bank, just as much as the next person.

[Dopiefreak]

I'm pretty sure every businessman wants money, including Steve Jobs.

I don't think money is "irrelevant" at all, seeing how Apple boasted about its' superiority compared with Windows at every possibility. Jobs wouldn't obviously take all the money for himself, instead leave it to Apple (you can imagine it like a will) and then they can continue the battle against Android as they see fit.

It is a shame to see someone die at a young age (56) but I'm sure Jobs was highly interested in how much he had in the bank, just as much as the next person.

Not every business man is bothered about money. Some people are quite content with changing the world, I know I would be.

I guess we will never know what his thinking was, maybe I am just not cynical enough. Hopefully the biography gives something away, I find it very interesting.

[HotelUser]

Everywhere seems to be reporting on him saying this in his biography :/ BBC, Mashable, CNN, Reuters... Why must the media keep digging him up, tying string to his hands and feet and having him do yet another show?

I think Undertaker summed this up nicely. Jobs loved the idea of competition and business moving away from corporate norms, but once he got on top he decided he was exempt from his founding business philosophy and that anyone shaping the world for the good was bad, except himself. I really hope this isn't true because if it is, it's the pot calling the kettle black.

But I guess we can't rant and rave about it. Jobs' legacy is unnecessary corporate court cases, pointless patents and anti-competition. If he saw his company and himself about 20 or 30 years ago he would be angry at himself. If this book is accurate, it's just showing him up as being a megalomaniac :/

"Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
"Those who see splinters in the eyes of their competition cannot see the plank in their own eyes."

To name a few idioms ;)

You didn't forget about that company he created, that innovative multi-billion dollar multinational corporation did you? I think many (just about everyone) would speculate saying that's his legacy, and a pretty damn good one at that :P

[Ardemax]

Not every business man is bothered about money. Some people are quite content with changing the world, I know I would be.

I guess we will never know what his thinking was, maybe I am just not cynical enough. Hopefully the biography gives something away, I find it very interesting.

Although I would love to agree with you, the richest and most famous businessmen in the world have all been tempted by the prize of money. Undoubtedly.

[AgnesIO]

Although I would love to agree with you, the richest and most famous businessmen in the world have all been tempted by the prize of money. Undoubtedly.

Surely it gets to the stage when you really don't care about a $20m you win through suing someone though.

Obviously at some stage money HAS been a motivation, but wasn't Jobs worth about $5b himself? If so, I don't think his main motivation was always earning himself an extra buck.

[Ardemax]

Surely it gets to the stage when you really don't care about a $20m you win through suing someone though.

Obviously at some stage money HAS been a motivation, but wasn't Jobs worth about $5b himself? If so, I don't think his main motivation was always earning himself an extra buck.

I didn't say his main motivation was money :D

I still believe however, although Jobs wouldn't have needed the money, as long as he still squeezed his competitors dry, that was a win in his case.

[AgnesIO]

I didn't say his main motivation was money :D

I still believe however, although Jobs wouldn't have needed the money, as long as he still squeezed his competitors dry, that was a win in his case.

In that case, I don't think he ever won..

[Ardemax]

In that case, I don't think he ever won..

Thankfully he hasn't :)

[Accipiter]

Sheer greed

[Ardemax]

Sheer greed

Liam haha! I totally forgot you had a name change el oh el.... hallo there!

on topic: I think apple are greedy

[Accipiter]

LMAO

Voiceover was lame :(

Apple want to dominate their market so will always sue and sue and sue to get it.

But they've lost their path, they've started to let PC get a grasp onto the media industry which is what MAC Dominated

[Zeptis]

Now in my opinion that is a major form of jealousy!

[Demi]

It's all a big media blast, he's dead so he's a big topic. It's the media wanting $$$ or £££.

[GommeInc]

It's all a big media blast, he's dead so he's a big topic. It's the media wanting $$$ or £££.
Pretty much. The media take no prisoners, they dig up the dead and have them spout rubbish and then create sensationalist stories based on false truths.

Thankfully a few websites have been citing his book (which means not having to pay for his book :D) and the vulgar language quoted from Jobs is horrific. What's shocking is he believes he can control consumer choice by suggesting Android should be destroyed when clearly Android is more popular than his product. It's customers that control the successfulness of a product, not Jobs. What's even more shocking is that he has stolen concepts before and is claimed to be innovative in doing so, then has a huff when his contested ideas are imitated. He did not invent multi-touch, he did not invent Siri, he did not invent the Mobile OS, he did not invent the smartphone... The list is endless. He was just a good marketer, he knew how to sell a product but unfortunately took the credit when many Apple employees thought up the ideas, designed them and produced them, or other companies did.

If he was still alive I'd love to slap him hard across the face for his hypocrisy. They say not to speak ill of the dead, but he's making it very difficult by saying ridiculous nonsense from beyond the grave.

[AgnesIO]

Pretty much. The media take no prisoners, they dig up the dead and have them spout rubbish and then create sensationalist stories based on false truths.

Thankfully a few websites have been citing his book (which means not having to pay for his book :D) and the vulgar language quoted from Jobs is horrific. What's shocking is he believes he can control consumer choice by suggesting Android should be destroyed when clearly Android is more popular than his product. It's customers that control the successfulness of a product, not Jobs. What's even more shocking is that he has stolen concepts before and is claimed to be innovative in doing so, then has a huff when his contested ideas are imitated. He did not invent multi-touch, he did not invent Siri, he did not invent the Mobile OS, he did not invent the smartphone... The list is endless. He was just a good marketer, he knew how to sell a product but unfortunately took the credit when many Apple employees thought up the ideas, designed them and produced them, or other companies did.

If he was still alive I'd love to slap him hard across the face for his hypocrisy. They say not to speak ill of the dead, but he's making it very difficult by saying ridiculous nonsense from beyond the grave.

It makes me laugh over your hypocrisy..

One minute you are saying "people should just leave him alone and let him rest", and then you go on about slapping his face despite the fact he's dead.. what are you on? :S

Also I don't think you are right - he hasn't said anything 'beyond the grave' - what he may have said 5 years ago is totally different.

[GommeInc]

It makes me laugh over your hypocrisy..

One minute you are saying "people should just leave him alone and let him rest", and then you go on about slapping his face despite the fact he's dead.. what are you on? :S

Also I don't think you are right - he hasn't said anything 'beyond the grave' - what he may have said 5 years ago is totally different.
How am I being a hypocrite? Read deeper into my posts. Before this biography the media was making up their own information and posting boring, benign information. Now it's actually quotations from Jobs about how competition is evil and how he never copied anything. He maybe dead, but it's inexcusable to say the least :P Think of it as tearing apart theories and beliefs made by René Descartes. He's dead, but what he said is up to debate and challengable ;)

And the bit in bold made me laugh and I can't tell if you were being serious :P Dead people do not talk, it was a figure of speech. All of a sudden things he has said have come to light, it's nearly as if he is talking beyond the grave. Have you not seen that figure of speech in use before?

[AgnesIO]

How am I being a hypocrite? Read deeper into my posts. Before this biography the media was making up their own information and posting boring, benign information. Now it's actually quotations from Jobs about how competition is evil and how he never copied anything. He maybe dead, but it's inexcusable to say the least :P Think of it as tearing apart theories and beliefs made by René Descartes. He's dead, but what he said is up to debate and challengable ;)

And the bit in bold made me laugh and I can't tell if you were being serious :P Dead people do not talk, it was a figure of speech. All of a sudden things he has said have come to light, it's nearly as if he is talking beyond the grave. Have you not seen that figure of speech in use before?

Have you actually read the book?

If you honestly think there would be less dirt on any of the other brand leaders then you need to think again.

[GommeInc]

Have you actually read the book?

If you honestly think there would be less dirt on any of the other brand leaders then you need to think again.
Nope, do not want to waste my money. I was going to until many reputatable sites started reporting on it and quoted on these ridiculous claims and statements made by Jobs.

And not sure what you're talking about in the last bit.

[AgnesIO]

Nope, do not want to waste my money. I was going to until many reputatable sites started reporting on it and quoted on these ridiculous claims and statements made by Jobs.

And not sure what you're talking about in the last bit.

And let me guess, none of these websites have commented on the positive bits?

And it was hardly difficult to work it out.. I was commenting on the fact that if Gates, Schmidt, Hirai and all the other massive company leaders died tomorrow, there would be similar comments by all of them. The fact is, you clearly refuse to think of ANYTHING positive about Apple (and let me say, I am not their biggest fan, with a grand total of 0 apple products), but I can see what an intelligent man Jobs was, as well as the huge success of the company. The fact you can't it quite simply, laughable.

[GommeInc]

And let me guess, none of these websites have commented on the positive bits?

And it was hardly difficult to work it out.. I was commenting on the fact that if Gates, Schmidt, Hirai and all the other massive company leaders died tomorrow, there would be similar comments by all of them. The fact is, you clearly refuse to think of ANYTHING positive about Apple (and let me say, I am not their biggest fan, with a grand total of 0 apple products), but I can see what an intelligent man Jobs was, as well as the huge success of the company. The fact you can't it quite simply, laughable.
They report on both the good and bad, but at the moment the main reports are based on this quote that Jobs wants to destroy Android because it's an extremely controversial thing to say. Like Descartes saying God is real because it is undoubtable, when it is :P I quite clearly have been talking about Jobs the whole time, not Apple so don't get those two mixed up :P Gates has already written a few books about his life and charity work, the problems inside Microsoft and with other companies, and Gates isn't known to be rude towards his employees, swearing uncontrollably and generally being a hypocrite and megalomaniac. Even if he and others had, they would get the same response but with Jobs there is a huge difference - he is considered a god amongst men while Gates, Schmidt etc. merrily go through life saying very little controversial things or having a set of double standards, like Jobs. The fact you're cementing over these suggests you're more interested in personal attacks, than the matter at hand.

Also, you're basing your argument on assumptions and things no-one has said. Jobs did make a successful company, I never said he hadn't and he was clearly an intelligent man, I have stated numerously how successful a marketing man he was. So I'm not sure why you're now making up things I've said :S

When reports flew in he died I said:


Saw this last night as it happened. Such a shock that it happened so suddenly. Jobs and many other individuals have helped shaped the world we see today. A remarkably interesting man to read about, he was good at marketing a product and quite a good, influential business man. His passing will have a huge impact.

Doesn't make things like wanting to destroy Android acceptable, when he is guilty of copying other companies and imitation, but it doesn't suggest he was thick either, which again I've never stated :P

[AgnesIO]

They report on both the good and bad, but at the moment the main reports are based on this quote that Jobs wants to destroy Android because it's an extremely controversial thing to say. Like Descartes saying God is real because it is undoubtable, when it is :P I quite clearly have been talking about Jobs the whole time, not Apple so don't get those two mixed up :P Gates has already written a few books about his life and charity work, the problems inside Microsoft and with other companies, and Gates isn't known to be rude towards his employees, swearing uncontrollably and generally being a hypocrite and megalomaniac. Even if he and others had, they would get the same response but with Jobs there is a huge difference - he is considered a god amongst men while Gates, Schmidt etc. merrily go through life saying very little controversial things or having a set of double standards, like Jobs. The fact you're cementing over these suggests you're more interested in personal attacks, than the matter at hand.

Also, you're basing your argument on assumptions and things no-one has said. Jobs did make a successful company, I never said he hadn't and he was clearly an intelligent man, I have stated numerously how successful a marketing man he was. So I'm not sure why you're now making up things I've said :S

When reports flew in he died I said:



Doesn't make things like wanting to destroy Android acceptable, when he is guilty of copying other companies and imitation, but it doesn't suggest he was thick either, which again I've never stated :P

Same goes to you, don't make up things I have said? I never said you said that he wasn't, but your attitude over him and Apple are just silly. The thing is, if Jobs was an autocratic leader (which he was), he is going to ship out orders a lot more than Schmidt at Google (who really isn't Autocratic..) But I am sure every single one business man in the world would love to be able to wipe out the competition to make everyone buy their product - after all, companies constantly look at new product ideas to make sure their product is original and no one else has it (cough facial recognition of Android 4.0).

I just think it is amusing that everyone suddenly feels it is fine (including you, the one who said it is disgusting to keep bringing him up when he is dead :rolleyes:) to rip him apart now - when he cannot stand up for himself. How very brave. Another point with Jobs, is that he was always 'out there' and got his views heard, whereas people such as Gates and Schmidt are not always the main men to be heard - especially Gates now he isn't running Microsoft as such anymore, whereas Jobs was right up until a few weeks before his death.

[GommeInc]

Same goes to you, don't make up things I have said? I never said you said that he wasn't, but your attitude over him and Apple are just silly. The thing is, if Jobs was an autocratic leader (which he was), he is going to ship out orders a lot more than Schmidt at Google (who really isn't Autocratic..) But I am sure every single one business man in the world would love to be able to wipe out the competition to make everyone buy their product - after all, companies constantly look at new product ideas to make sure their product is original and no one else has it (cough facial recognition of Android 4.0).
Yes you did, here:


The fact is, you clearly refuse to think of ANYTHING positive about Apple (and let me say, I am not their biggest fan, with a grand total of 0 apple products), but I can see what an intelligent man Jobs was, as well as the huge success of the company. The fact you can't it quite simply, laughable.
You're making assumptions based from no where. I never said Apple wasn't successful and I never said he wasn't intelligent. It's written in black and white, you're literally making up things I've said by making assumptions based on nothing. When did i say he wasn't intelligent then and that Apple is unsuccessful? :P

Also, facial recognition has been in Android since 1.6. My phone has it. It's ancient, cameras have had a simple version of it for years now. It's basic product evolution theory that phones with it now utilise the Facebook face recognition service to match faces. It's part of the point that Jobs was a bit of a fool assuming that products cannot evolve, they must be kept to an original state when the iPhone itself has stolen concepts from other products and evolved over time anyway.


I just think it is amusing that everyone suddenly feels it is fine (including you, the one who said it is disgusting to keep bringing him up when he is dead :rolleyes:) to rip him apart now - when he cannot stand up for himself. How very brave. Another point with Jobs, is that he was always 'out there' and got his views heard, whereas people such as Gates and Schmidt are not always the main men to be heard - especially Gates now he isn't running Microsoft as such anymore, whereas Jobs was right up until a few weeks before his death.
As previously mentioned, it was the media saying things for him and making up statistics and facts which were pointless and spoken as if on behalf of Jobs. That's when it is wrong, because it's always a bit disrespectful to talk on behalf of a dead man and profiting off him with mindless opinions. They kept digging him up for their own benefit. Now that a book has come out with actual quotes by him and about him, it's become controversial and a problem. It is a stupid thing to say. Just because he's dead doesn't make him wrong, and my God is he wrong for saying what he has said about Android :P Perhaps we should blame the media again for bringing up something he has actually said in this dodgy corporate climate, where Android is successful in its own right and court cases across the glob are hindering creativity, choice and identity? :P

Do you not find it is wrong of Jobs to want to destroy Android for his own benefit, when many people use it and prefer it over the iPhone? Consumers are allowed a choice, and Android is successful because of its users as they show how successful a product is. As many people here and elsewhere have said, it's coming off as greedy and selfish. If he was alive I'm sure people would love to have him argue why and be disproven.

[HotelUser]

He might not have created the smartphone industry but it was absolutely useless before the iPhone. Apple did what Palm, RIM and Microsoft did not do which was to bring mobile computing into the modern century by releasing the first smartphone which set the standards for devices. His decisions were game changing, and to suggest that the mobile phone industry was even remotely what it is now before the iPhone would be pure nonsense.

As I have said in the past you just really hate Apple and will criticize them no matter what they do or what happens really.


Pretty much. The media take no prisoners, they dig up the dead and have them spout rubbish and then create sensationalist stories based on false truths.

Thankfully a few websites have been citing his book (which means not having to pay for his book :D) and the vulgar language quoted from Jobs is horrific. What's shocking is he believes he can control consumer choice by suggesting Android should be destroyed when clearly Android is more popular than his product. It's customers that control the successfulness of a product, not Jobs. What's even more shocking is that he has stolen concepts before and is claimed to be innovative in doing so, then has a huff when his contested ideas are imitated. He did not invent multi-touch, he did not invent Siri, he did not invent the Mobile OS, he did not invent the smartphone... The list is endless. He was just a good marketer, he knew how to sell a product but unfortunately took the credit when many Apple employees thought up the ideas, designed them and produced them, or other companies did.

If he was still alive I'd love to slap him hard across the face for his hypocrisy. They say not to speak ill of the dead, but he's making it very difficult by saying ridiculous nonsense from beyond the grave.

[GommeInc]

He might not have created the smartphone industry but it was absolutely useless before the iPhone. Apple did what Palm, RIM and Microsoft did not do which was to bring mobile computing into the modern century by releasing the first smartphone which set the standards for devices. His decisions were game changing, and to suggest that the mobile phone industry was even remotely what it is now before the iPhone would be pure nonsense.

As I have said in the past you just really hate Apple and will criticize them no matter what they do or what happens really.
Again you make wild accusations. When did I say he and Apple weren't game changers? I was posting fact, that he did not invent the smartphone - he just changed the way it works which I actually admire if you bothered reading my posts in the Steve Jobs passes away thread :P His only innovations were his marketing tactics - his keen way of advertising and making a crisp product. My only 'beef' with Apple and Jobs is that they're dirty fighters, who feel the need to self-praise and be anti-competitive when the company and Jobs were all pro-competition until they saw themselves on top :P

I'm sure I've been saying on here for years that Apple products are good, it's just a shame Apple own them ;)

Also, at Marketing. Apple is technically a monocracy - a system of Government by only one person. You very rarely hear of people lower down than Jobs (which would make an autocracy), which is probably why people assume he does everything in Apple, when really he's just the person with the seal of approval stamp.

[AgnesIO]

Again you make wild accusations. When did I say he and Apple weren't game changers? I was posting fact, that he did not invent the smartphone - he just changed the way it works which I actually admire if you bothered reading my posts in the Steve Jobs passes away thread :P His only innovations were his marketing tactics - his keen way of advertising and making a crisp product. My only 'beef' with Apple and Jobs is that they're dirty fighters, who feel the need to self-praise and be anti-competitive when the company and Jobs were all pro-competition until they saw themselves on top :P

I'm sure I've been saying on here for years that Apple products are good, it's just a shame Apple own them ;)

Also, at Marketing. Apple is technically a monocracy - a system of Government by only one person. You very rarely hear of people lower down than Jobs (which would make an autocracy), which is probably why people assume he does everything in Apple, when really he's just the person with the seal of approval stamp.

Jobs was an autocratic leader.

[GommeInc]

Jobs was an autocratic leader.
And your views on what Jobs had to say are? You seem to be ignoring the purpose of this thread to argue trivialities :P

[Dopiefreak]

My only 'beef' with Apple and Jobs is that they're dirty fighters, who feel the need to self-praise and be anti-competitive when the company and Jobs were all pro-competition until they saw themselves on top :P

Steve was guilty of a big ego. His self-praise for Apple was OTT at times, as it is with many companies that have made it to the top. But dirty fighters? Everyone is suing everyone. Apart from Google of course, because they steal every idea out their so they don't have a leg to stand on.

Understandably Apple have the most cases, because this stems back to the iPhone 4 launch that was a game changer and everyone felt the need to copy.

http://rww.readwriteweb.netdna-cdn.com/mobile/Reuters_Patent_Chart.jpg

[GommeInc]

Steve was guilty of a big ego. His self-praise for Apple was OTT at times, as it is with many companies that have made it to the top. But dirty fighters? Everyone is suing everyone. Apart from Google of course, because they steal every idea out their so they don't have a leg to stand on.

http://rww.readwriteweb.netdna-cdn.com/mobile/Reuters_Patent_Chart.jpg
Quite an interesting chart. Reuters is underated as media organisations go. This chart doesn't show companies that have outright banned other products from being sold in other countries. That's the ultimate dirty fighting, and they haven't mentioned counter-lawsuits. That said, the corporate world is one pretty little court case after another.

Also, the chart doesn't show companies that have created counter-lawsuits in retaliation e.g. Apple sued HTC so HTC decided to counter-sue Apple, Apple bringing Samsung to court then Samsung countering the case with another one. Many seem to be located and pointing at Apple which doesn't leave much to the imagination.

[Chippiewill]

Understandably Apple have the most cases, because this stems back to the iPhone 4 launch that was a game changer and everyone felt the need to copy.
Really? I don't see many companies sticking the aerial on the outside of the phone for no reason but to cause problems.

[xxMATTGxx]

Steve was guilty of a big ego. His self-praise for Apple was OTT at times, as it is with many companies that have made it to the top. But dirty fighters? Everyone is suing everyone. Apart from Google of course, because they steal every idea out their so they don't have a leg to stand on.

Understandably Apple have the most cases, because this stems back to the iPhone 4 launch that was a game changer and everyone felt the need to copy.

http://rww.readwriteweb.netdna-cdn.com/mobile/Reuters_Patent_Chart.jpg

How old is that chart?

Here's an image for you all of the current licensing deals Microsoft now has with many Android handset makers but also shows Apple on there etc

http://wmpoweruser.speedymirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/2011102320156.jpg

[Chippiewill]

How old is that chart?

Here's an image for you all of the current licensing deals Microsoft now has with many Android handset makers but also shows Apple on there etc

http://wmpoweruser.speedymirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/2011102320156.jpg
I was just reading an article about that. Microsoft now licenses to half the major android handsets.

On one hand, they're a much better company, not stifling competition and allowing them to carry on without a problem. On the other hand they're only taking that position because they're firmly in third place in the smart phone battle so suing them won't really boost their own phone OS in the same way that it would for Apple, that and a lot of android handset makers also make windows phones.

[Dopiefreak]

Quite an interesting chart. Reuters is underated as media organisations go. This chart doesn't show companies that have outright banned other products from being sold in other countries. That's the ultimate dirty fighting, and they haven't mentioned counter-lawsuits. That said, the corporate world is one pretty little court case after another.

Also, the chart doesn't show companies that have created counter-lawsuits in retaliation e.g. Apple sued HTC so HTC decided to counter-sue Apple, Apple bringing Samsung to court then Samsung countering the case with another one. Many seem to be located and pointing at Apple which doesn't leave much to the imagination.

Fair points :)

Not debating that Apple are more than happy to sue another company, I just don't think this is any different to the other companies out there. The patent system is a joke unfortunately.


How old is that chart?

August 2011 I believe. The Guardian released another infographic at the start of this month, someone put this in a better format than the one guardian did here (http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2010/10/8/1286533333600/Screen_shot_2010-10-08_at_11.18.44.png), image is below:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9ucqq8ZMD1qa34geo1_r3_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKe yId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1319563004&Signature=tpyxusxAIm%2F8PP2SQ%2BTr3zqx8uI%3D

[GommeInc]

The Guardian released another infographic at the start of this month, someone put this in a better format than the one guardian did here (http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2010/10/8/1286533333600/Screen_shot_2010-10-08_at_11.18.44.png), image is below:

*snip*
I like how out of date that is too :P Notice how Samsung and Apple do not link up either, when they've been at war for ages now.

I completely agree with the patent system though. It's a mess, too many companies out there own the rights to concepts which are impossible not to be used by all companies. The patent system has patents that are generalised concepts, when the system was meant to be about protecting the certain ways of working around concepts. The patent system should be about protecting the designs of a certain way of doing something, not the entirety.

What's shocking is how these lawsuits go back and forth and who wins them. I'm slightly concerned by how the Samsung Galaxy S II is banned in Australia and Germany (and maybe the Netherlands soon) for the wrong reasons. Samsung should win this fight against Apple to ban the iPhone 4S in some countries if Apple is allowed to ban Samsung phones - the iPhone 4S is afterall using technology Samsung owns so they have every right to, but I doubt they will win the case - not that any phones should be banned anyway as it completely destroys the point of consumer choice and fair competition.

[scottish]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU&feature=player_embedded