View Full Version : Jury reaches verdict in trial of Conrad Murray
xxMATTGxx
07-11-2011, 09:19 PM
The jury in the trial of Dr Conrad Murray, doctor to pop star Michael Jackson, has reached a verdict.
The announcement is expected at the Los Angeles court at around 13:00 local time (21:00 GMT).
Dr Murray, 58, who is accused of involuntary manslaughter, denies giving the pop superstar a fatal overdose of a powerful sedative, propofol.
If convicted, he could face a sentence of four years in prison and lose his licence to practise medicine.
The jury - made up of one African American, six whites and five Hispanics - deliberated on Friday and through the morning on Monday.
Outside the court, fans of Michael Jackson have begun cheering and chanting, "Guilty! Guilty!"
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15624869
So they have finally found him guilty then!
dirrty
07-11-2011, 09:20 PM
lol, been watching it on tmz. heard somewhere that he'll only get house arrest for a few months? hopefully it'll be prison time though - but hey, at least he won't be practicing medicine ever again.
Accipiter
07-11-2011, 09:22 PM
Silly silly judges... convicted of "Criminal Negligence" from what i heard, I don't know how a criminal can be negligent, yes being negligent makes you commit something accidentally without intention too, if anything this was Michael Jacksons negligence to his own body.
Hopeless
07-11-2011, 09:27 PM
Ridiculous in my opinion. Just because of MJs stature they needed someone to blame.
Mathew
07-11-2011, 09:27 PM
Yep, just saw Lord Sugar announce it on Twitter! I find all this a bit fishy really because Michael Jackson MUST have known what he was taking... and he therefore must have requested it.
..but then again, it's up to the doctor to dissuade him.
Hopeless
07-11-2011, 09:30 PM
Yep, just saw Lord Sugar announce it on Twitter! I find all this a bit fishy really because Michael Jackson MUST have known what he was taking... and he therefore must have requested it.
..but then again, it's up to the doctor to dissuade him.
How do you say no to one of the most famous and powerful men in the world who has specifically hired you though? Feel sorry for the chap.
Mathew
07-11-2011, 09:33 PM
How do you say no to one of the most famous and powerful men in the world who has specifically hired you though? Feel sorry for the chap.
Yeah that's true, but he's undoubtedly extremely good at his job or he wouldn't have got it in the first place. He was being paid to take care of him. :P
Yeah, I'm torn.
Slowpoke
07-11-2011, 09:34 PM
I don't know how I feel about this. I've found the whole thing really controversial and pretty painful to follow since the beginning. I do agree that is was the doctor's responsibility to persuade Michael using the drug wasn't in his best interests if that was the case, but there are doctors out there that prescribe things they shouldn't all the freakin' time! I believe prison time is too much of a harsh sentence; stripping his doctors licence is sufficient punishment in my opinion. I don't for one second believe that the doctor wanted to harm Michael.
Take his medical license away and that should have been it imo
this is just a show trial
dirrty
07-11-2011, 09:41 PM
How do you say no to one of the most famous and powerful men in the world who has specifically hired you though? Feel sorry for the chap.
i wouldn't be surprised if he could have just simply quit (as after all, jacko was only one of his patients), but i bet the $$$$ was enough to quash his guilt of what he was doing.
The total sum Conrad Murray of a $150,000 for twelve months would be almost $1,800,000 which is quite a bit more than the average cardiologist salary. According to the physician salary medium online, an average yearly salary of $398,034, this is over four times the average salary of a person who had the same job.
just shows what greed does to a man, eh?
Ajthedragon
07-11-2011, 09:44 PM
Ridiculous in my opinion. Just because of MJs stature they needed someone to blame.
I hate this blame culture.
They're doing it with that crash on Friday too.
When will the law accept, both sides of the pond, that there isn't always anyone or anything to blame.
Inseriousity.
07-11-2011, 10:12 PM
i wouldn't be surprised if he could have just simply quit (as after all, jacko was only one of his patients), but i bet the $$$$ was enough to quash his guilt of what he was doing.
just shows what greed does to a man, eh?
if you were doing it for greed, i wouldnt kill the cash cow!
dirrty
07-11-2011, 10:15 PM
if you were doing it for greed, i wouldnt kill the cash cow!
well i don't think that was his plan haha :P
-:Undertaker:-
07-11-2011, 10:33 PM
If Mr. Jackson was paying him and asked him to administer this drug, then the fault is solely with Mr. Jackson.
dirrty
07-11-2011, 10:39 PM
If Mr. Jackson was paying him and asked him to administer this drug, then the fault is solely with Mr. Jackson.
surely the medical professional holds responsibility - considering he is supposed to be the ~professional within the field~, whereas jacko is just his patient. sure he (jacko) most probably knew what he wanted/needed and thus flashed the cash, but murray was the doctor, he did the action, so therefore he is responsible considering he could have simply said 'no' and let another doctor feed the addict until jacko died. if i went to my doctors right now, asked for whatever drug i desired and slipped him £200, yes i shouldn't have gone in the first place, but he shouldn't of given me anything that isn't allowed within medical guidelines or whatever.
Inseriousity.
07-11-2011, 10:42 PM
surely the medical professional holds responsibility - considering he is supposed to be the ~professional within the field~, whereas jacko is just his patient. sure he (jacko) most probably knew what he wanted/needed and thus flashed the cash, but murray was the doctor, he did the action, so therefore he is responsible considering he could have simply said 'no' and let another doctor feed the addict until jacko died. if i went to my doctors right now, asked for whatever drug i desired and slipped him £200, yes i shouldn't have gone in the first place, but he shouldn't of given me anything that isn't allowed within medical guidelines or whatever.
agreed he had a professional responsibility to say no regardless of how much cash was flung at him.
Mathew
07-11-2011, 10:49 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/search/%23DoctorsBetterThanConradMurray
Fantastic.
-:Undertaker:-
07-11-2011, 10:50 PM
surely the medical professional holds responsibility - considering he is supposed to be the ~professional within the field~, whereas jacko is just his patient. sure he (jacko) most probably knew what he wanted/needed and thus flashed the cash, but murray was the doctor, he did the action, so therefore he is responsible considering he could have simply said 'no' and let another doctor feed the addict until jacko died. if i went to my doctors right now, asked for whatever drug i desired and slipped him £200, yes i shouldn't have gone in the first place, but he shouldn't of given me anything that isn't allowed within medical guidelines or whatever.
It purely depends on the relationship they had.
An absolute joke. Jackson was a serious junkie who killed himself. All that has happened here is all his family and hangers on want to pass the buck
- william thomson, Mold, UK, 7/11/2011 21:31
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058699/Michael-Jackson-verdict-Conrad-Murray-guilty-manslaughter-King-Pops-death.html#ixzz1d3xYvhua
Technologic
07-11-2011, 10:59 PM
As a doctor he should've put the safety of Jackson before money, this is the real issue with the american health care system, Money > people.
-:Undertaker:-
07-11-2011, 11:16 PM
As a doctor he should've put the safety of Jackson before money, this is the real issue with the american health care system, Money > people.
And the NHS isn't driven by the same thing? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6127514/Sentenced-to-death-on-the-NHS.html)
The Don
07-11-2011, 11:47 PM
And the NHS isn't driven by the same thing? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6127514/Sentenced-to-death-on-the-NHS.html)
But we aren't discussing the NHS, the doctor should put the health of their client over money.
GommeInc
07-11-2011, 11:54 PM
Bit too controversial for my liking. Not sure what to think as I think Jackson was stupid to be taking the drugs in the first place, and then you get the idea that Dr. Murray was probably forced to give him the drugs given the position Jackson was in. Celebrity cases are always controversial, especially when it involves the death of a celebrity - you'll get die-hard fans screaming murder, much like they did throughout the trial.
Dragonpox
08-11-2011, 12:36 AM
IMO, Jackson was the one that took all of the stuff he was giving him.
Catzsy
08-11-2011, 10:22 AM
Well I believe that the 'money' he was paid by MJ got in the way of his doctor's ethics and he deserves a prison sentence for it. He should have done what was right for his patient not what his patient requested all the time.
Hopeless
08-11-2011, 11:09 AM
Well I believe that the 'money' he was paid by MJ got in the way of his doctor's ethics and he deserves a prison sentence for it. He should have done what was right for his patient not what his patient requested all the time.
Easier said than done. When your patient is the most recognised man in the world and you can see he's in obvious pain you aren't going to say no. He was a special case, special cases need special treatment. It isn't black and white (ba dum dum tsh). It's Michael Jackson.
Catzsy
08-11-2011, 11:41 AM
Easier said than done. When your patient is the most recognised man in the world and you can see he's in obvious pain you aren't going to say no. He was a special case, special cases need special treatment. It isn't black and white (ba dum dum tsh). It's Michael Jackson.
Yes, when the repercussions are likely to damage health further and in this case kill the patient. Doctors
should follow the law the same as anybody else no matter who the patient is.
GommeInc
08-11-2011, 10:21 PM
Well I believe that the 'money' he was paid by MJ got in the way of his doctor's ethics and he deserves a prison sentence for it. He should have done what was right for his patient not what his patient requested all the time.
Depends. In a simple world we would assume the doctor would have control over himself and the patient, but MJ could well be corrupt behind closed doors and threaten legal action if the doctor didn't do what he was asked to do. Strangely this reminds me of Absolutely Fabulous:
"Philip, darling! It's Eddy. Look, can I have a few more of those pills I had last time? I want to lose a stone... Two weeks... Hmm, but it must be years since I had them last, isn't it?... Hmm, but they were just palpitations, for God's sake! Hmm? Are you telling me I can't have them?... What is the point of having a private doctor if he won't do what you want? Listen!... Please?... I want them to kill me!... Philip?"
Murray probably felt threatened - we'll never know! Although he does seem to be keeping quiet if threats were made between him and the client.
As far as I care, Jackson was stupid and shouldn't rely on drugs. Dr. Murray should of got him institutionalised when offered the job, let alone after accepting it. Perhaps we should blame the American medical industry for allowing people like Jackson to exist in every day society, relying on drugs that seem like they should be banned in private use and should only be used within the confines of a hospital or asylum.
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