Mod Warnings/edits

[=Lizzy]

Hi this is not a complaint or anything like that I just didn't know what to call the thread.

Anyway as you can see in this thread below, I think the Mod phrases need to be changed as this could make new users think that they shouldn't post in new threads therefore results in new users not posting. I'm not sure what it should be changed to but I dont think "Please Do Not Post In The Trading Section" is right
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=729462&p=7356690#post7356690
Sorry if this is wrong im just wondering if it could be changed to something else? such as please dont post pointlessly.

[:odey:]

We do also have a 'do not post pointlessly' rule, but the trading section is governed by a seperate set of rules, which include the 'please do not post in the trading section' rule,

It's this:

Commenting in the trading section


Please remember that commenting in the trading section is only permitted if it is a question about the buying or selling of the item, or is a post that is relevant to the topic.

I think the wording of the actual rule is a little wishywashy, to say the least. It's quite hard to judge when someone is being 'relevant to the topic' or commenting pointlessly...

[=Lizzy]

We do also have a 'do not post pointlessly' rule, but the trading section is governed by a seperate set of rules, which include the 'please do not post in the trading section' rule,

It's this:

Commenting in the trading section


Please remember that commenting in the trading section is only permitted if it is a question about the buying or selling of the item, or is a post that is relevant to the topic.

I think the wording of the actual rule is a little wishywashy, to say the least. It's quite hard to judge when someone is being 'relevant to the topic' or commenting pointlessly...





I thought there was one! aha, but yeah just changing a few words of it would make it sound better i think. :D

[beth]

don't see the problem: there is a big thing at the top of the trading section about not commenting.

[Samantha]

At the end of the day, only comment in the trading section if you have an item someone needs/needs an item someone wants or say so and so might have some.

The people in that thread could have just used the 'anything about trading and furni forum,' 'habbo in general' or 'habbo news and rumours' as the topic they were discussing were in most of those forums and it isn't hard to search.

If you understand that.

If you wanted to re-word it why not say please dont discuss in the trading section? (not set in stone it should be that).

[Jordan]

In the PM the user gets told that they are only permitted to comment in the section when interested in selling/purchasing. So I don't think it will put them off.

[Catzsy]

I can't see a problem. myself. How else would you phrase - please do not comment in the tradng section? :)

[Mathew]

I think it's a daft rule anyway. We should be encouraging posting, not restricting what they can and can't post. Let's take a look at that thread: Sinsinaty and scottish were having a perfectly good discussion which was related to the thread. Warning them for contributing to this forum's post count is absurd.

[scottish]

Yeah I'm arguing about that just now

The rule clearly states that you're allowed to post a question about buying/selling/anything relevant to the thread

So I don't see why I got mod warning.

Sinsinaty was asking why his price/general price has gone so low (related to the freeze furniture)

I answered his question (related to freeze furniture and error last week)

The third person to post should of got a mod warning as it in no way contributed to the thread, but my post did, and sinsinatys was relevant to the thread.

[Catzsy]

I think it's a daft rule anyway. We should be encouraging posting, not restricting what they can and can't post. Let's take a look at that thread: Sinsinaty and scottish were having a perfectly good discussion which was related to the thread. Warning them for contributing to this forum's post count is absurd.

Matthew that is what forum specific rules are for. They are specific to a forum. In the trading section it as always been strict i.e for buying and selling not for a general discussion on the item of furniture. If it was related to the actual trade then that is fair enough otherwise members trying to sell or buy furni are just going to their threads invaded by people wanting to discuss the item which has nothing at all to do with the actual trading. If they want to do that they can file a thread in ' Discuss Anything about Furni'. [@]@Scottish[/@] if you are saying that your post and the post above are relevant why are you saying the third one is not because it is an extension of your conversation which would have been perfectly acceptable in 'Discuss Anything about Furni'.This is the way that I have always moderated this forum and I believe 99% of the mods and smods have also done it this way.

[scottish]

My post and the above post asking a question are relating to the specific items in the thread and about their value.

The third post says 'omg i wish i was on to take advantage of this bug' or something along those lines, nothing to do with the items for sale/the value of said items.

[Eoin247]

From what i can see these days mods aren't that strict on people going off topic or doing a few pointless posts anymore. At least in a few forum sections that is the case. I think maybe , if anything, maybe a more constant consistency is all that's needed.

[Mark]

I think it's a daft rule anyway. We should be encouraging posting, not restricting what they can and can't post. Let's take a look at that thread: Sinsinaty and scottish were having a perfectly good discussion which was related to the thread. Warning them for contributing to this forum's post count is absurd.

I totally agree with this. If it's on topic, it should be allowed.

[Jordan]

I think it's a daft rule anyway. We should be encouraging posting, not restricting what they can and can't post. Let's take a look at that thread: Sinsinaty and scottish were having a perfectly good discussion which was related to the thread. Warning them for contributing to this forum's post count is absurd.


I totally agree with this. If it's on topic, it should be allowed.

Trading forums are for discussing trading. Anything about Trading and Furniture is for discussing pricing etc... It makes it very confusing when 2 topics are being discussed. It's absolutely fine how it's been dealt with in my opinion.

[Mathew]

Trading forums are for discussing trading. Anything about Trading and Furniture is for discussing pricing etc... It makes it very confusing when 2 topics are being discussed. It's absolutely fine how it's been dealt with in my opinion.
Discussions should be able to flow in whichever direction they please. You don't get boundaries for discussions in real life, so I don't think it should be any different here. Obviously if you start analysing the extent to which unicorns are oppressed creatures, then it's worthy of a warning - but topics which follow the general gist of a thread should be fine. They're doing you a favour by making a post in the first place. Naturally, the moderator's discretion is final and you lot would probably continue regardless! :P

[Catzsy]

Discussions should be able to flow in whichever direction they please. You don't get boundaries for discussions in real life, so I don't think it should be any different here. Obviously if you start analysing the extent to which unicorns are oppressed creatures, then it's worthy of a warning - but topics which follow the general gist of a thread should be fine. They're doing you a favour by making a post in the first place. Naturally, the moderator's discretion is final and you lot would probably continue regardless! :P


It is not like that at all. In normal circumstances and in normal forums what you say is correct and threads can evolve into different areas as far as they are constructive. There are though, also, forums with 'special rules' such as Graphics, Trading, Debate and the Papoy thread where it has been felt necessary to be a bit stricter. As far as trading is concerned they are not 'discussion' threads they are for buying and selling items and that is is their sole purpose and it is for the benefit of the OP that they are not invaded with a discussion that would more suit 'Anything about Furni'. I think people are getting mixed up between the main rules and the special rules There are no warnings for breaking of forum specific rules in any event they are just edits and pms. They do not lead onto warnings or infractions but could lead to a ban from that section for a period if the member continually breaks them.


They're doing you a favour by making a post in the first place.

How do you come to this conclusion? This is baffling. LOL


Naturally, the moderator's discretion is final and you lot would probably continue regardless!
I have to say this comment seems a bit unlike you but 'us lot' moderate to the rules we do not make things up as we go along. You know there have always been rules I don't agree with but as a mod I have to moderate to them because it is my job to do so regardless of my personal feeling but it is impossible for the management to please everyone all the time including moderators. We can't just pick and choose what we moderate because perhaps personally we don't agree with the actual rule. That would lead to unfairness and inconsistency in itself. :P

[Mathew]

It is not like that at all. In normal circumstances and in normal forums what you say is correct and threads can evolve into different areas as far as they are constructive. There are though, also, forums with 'special rules' such as Graphics, Trading, Debate and the Papoy thread where it has been felt necessary to be a bit stricter. As far as trading is concerned they are not 'discussion' threads they are for buying and selling items and that is is their sole purpose and it is for the benefit of the OP that they are not invaded with a discussion that would more suit 'Anything about Furni'. I think people are getting mixed up between the main rules and the special rules There are no warnings for breaking of forum specific rules in any event they are just edits and pms. They do not lead onto warnings or infractions but could lead to a ban from that section for a period if the member continually breaks them.
Whilst I understand the difference between specific and whole, as I've said - I think the discussion should be allowed to flow. Someone was enquiring about the value of the item, and someone else replied with the information. Surely this is the discussion that we should be promoting, not covering up. I highly doubt Sinsinaty was going to create a whole new thread simply to ask why they'd reduced in price, when he could just as well enquire in a thread which is related to the topic..

I also daresay that people are unaware of this rule anyway. Bolt's announcement in that forum regarding Varnius' Trade City is more prominent than the rule thread. :P


How do you come to this conclusion? This is baffling. LOL
If you've got new members taking the time to post and engage in a discussion on your site, I don't think it's appropriate to PM over something so trivial. The post would have been legitimate elsewhere.



I have to say this comment seems a bit unlike you but 'us lot' moderate to the rules we do not make things up as we go along. You know there have always been rules I don't agree with but as a mod I have to moderate to them because it is my job to do so regardless of my personal feeling but it is impossible for the management to please everyone all the time including moderators. We can't just pick and choose what we moderate because perhaps personally we don't agree with the actual rule. That would lead to unfairness and inconsistency in itself. :P
Ha, it was meant tounge-in-cheek hence the ":P".

[scottish]

Commenting in the trading section

Please remember that commenting in the trading section is only permitted if it is a question and has relevance to the topic.

Asking why the members / the general price of said item has dropped so low is relevant to the topic.

If I started a thread 'Selling a throne - 30 Credits', I'm sure some people would ask why I'm selling it for such a low price. It's relevant to the thread so it is permitted by the rule.

If you wish to change the rule to


Commenting in the trading section

Please remember that commenting in the trading section is only permitted if it is a question is related to buying or selling an item.

Using that would prevent any discussion other than those based around buying or selling of the items that the thread was created for.

However as it stands you're allowed to post as long as it's a question relevant to the topic

Also from what I see you constantly keep going on about 'better suited in anything about trading and furni' then why don't you move the posts to anything about trading and furni?

Surely that would seem more logical as for example when two people make a post on the same topic, you don't tell them not to post, you simply merge it.

Same thing can be done here but opposite way, if they shouldn't be commenting in the trading forum (if it's not related to buying an item, selling an item, or any question relevant to the thread) instead of telling them please don't post, simply move their post to anything about trading and furni?

[Catzsy]

Asking why the members / the general price of said item has dropped so low is relevant to the topic.

If I started a thread 'Selling a throne - 30 Credits', I'm sure some people would ask why I'm selling it for such a low price. It's relevant to the thread so it is permitted by the rule.

If you wish to change the rule to



Using that would prevent any discussion other than those based around buying or selling of the items that the thread was created for.

However as it stands you're allowed to post as long as it's a question relevant to the topic

Also from what I see you constantly keep going on about 'better suited in anything about trading and furni' then why don't you move the posts to anything about trading and furni?

Surely that would seem more logical as for example when two people make a post on the same topic, you don't tell them not to post, you simply merge it.

Same thing can be done here but opposite way, if they shouldn't be commenting in the trading forum (if it's not related to buying an item, selling an item, or any question relevant to the thread) instead of telling them please don't post, simply move their post to anything about trading and furni?

I think your wording of the rule does make some makes sense tbh but we would not move a post to' anything about trading and furni' as:

1. It may not make sense there as it could well be out of context.

2. How would we know if the member wanted to post a thread about it?

On a final note to stop repeating myself like a ground down record you will notice that all the posts not edited in that thread all have something to do with the actual trade. The conflict here lies in the word 'topic'. My view is that the topic of the thread is the trading not the item itself.

[scottish]

I think your wording of the rule does make some makes sense tbh but we would not move a post to' anything about trading and furni' as:

1. It may not make sense there as it could well be out of context.

2. How would we know if the member wanted to post a thread about it?

On a final note to stop repeating myself like a ground down record you will notice that all the posts not edited in that thread all have something to do with the actual trade. The conflict here lies in the word 'topic'. My view is that the topic of the thread is the trading not the item itself.

When moving it you (mods) would be responsible for naming the thread, so could make it appropriate

If a member posted a question in the thread, then logic dictates that they want that question answered, so whether its answered in said thread or moved to a new thread wouldn't make a difference, as long as they get the reply.

For example if you were to move sinsinaty's post, you could put the thread title as something along the lines of 'Freeze Furniture' and the question would make sense. Imho that would be better than telling someone not to post in a section.

It's like if someone posts a thread in the wrong section, you move the thread, you don't say 'hey don't post that here'

[Chris]

Just to back up what has been said by Rosie and Jordan,

The trading forums are not for the general discussion of items, they are strictly for the trading of them. Questions related to the trade itself are permitted but general comments related to the item are not. It has always been this way and if you want to make comments about an item, such as how the pricing of an item has changed, then create a thread in 'Anything about trading and furni' and do it there. :P

[Catzsy]

When moving it you (mods) would be responsible for naming the thread, so could make it appropriate

If a member posted a question in the thread, then logic dictates that they want that question answered, so whether its answered in said thread or moved to a new thread wouldn't make a difference, as long as they get the reply.

For example if you were to move sinsinaty's post, you could put the thread title as something along the lines of 'Freeze Furniture' and the question would make sense. Imho that would be better than telling someone not to post in a section.

It's like if someone posts a thread in the wrong section, you move the thread, you don't say 'hey don't post that here'

Yes I appreciate the threads argument although we never say 'hey don't post that here' - that is very old school :P We just move it and vm them. The fact remains though that a post is a different thing and the member might not want to post a thread about it. The title is not the problem it is the post which could be half way down answering something else which as a stand alone makes little sense.

Also Infectious has pretty much hit the nail on the head with his post.

[scottish]

Yes I appreciate the threads argument although we never say 'hey don't post that here' - that is very old school :P We just move it and vm them. The fact remains though that a post is a different thing and the member might not want to post a thread about it. The title is not the problem it is the post which could be half way down answering something else which as a stand alone makes little sense.

Also Infectious has pretty much hit the nail on the head with his post.

forums going slow again, great

the 'hey don't post that here' is exactly what i'm saying, if someone posts a thread in the wrong section, you DONT edit it and say that, you simply move it.

The same should go if someone asks a question in the thread, for example sinsinaty asked a question, you could easily move that to the anything bout furni rather than saying hey don't comment in this section.

If you wish to enforce the rule as if it has no "relevant to the topic" bit then you could move the questions rather than telling the member not to comment in that section, and vm them saying it's moved

If someones posting a question, i'm fairly sure they won't care if it's moved to a thread on its own, aslong as its answered

[Catzsy]

forums going slow again, great

the 'hey don't post that here' is exactly what i'm saying, if someone posts a thread in the wrong section, you DONT edit it and say that, you simply move it.

The same should go if someone asks a question in the thread, for example sinsinaty asked a question, you could easily move that to the anything bout furni rather than saying hey don't comment in this section.

If you wish to enforce the rule as if it has no "relevant to the topic" bit then you could move the questions rather than telling the member not to comment in that section, and vm them saying it's moved

If someones posting a question, i'm fairly sure they won't care if it's moved to a thread on its own, aslong as its answered

Well I don't think it's a viable option for the reasons I have already given but I am sure the management will take your views onboard. As it stands it is a very minor rule break with just a pm and threads are edited if they are moved but just with as an example; Edited by Catzsy (Forum Super Moderator): Thread moved from ' Discuss Anything' to here as probably more suitable . :)

[scottish]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying

I'm not saying change anything with the current thread moving

I'm saying if someone asks a question in a trading thread (as sinsinaty did) then instead of editing the question and subsequent answers simply move the thread to the Talk about trading/furni section, instead of giving the user a PM telling them not to post in that specific area, simply VM them telling them that you've moved the post to its own thread. (although as it stands you can post questions, as the rule states you are allowed to post questions relevant to the topic, which will include asking why a price is so low).

Obviously people posting general crap would still get the please dont post ere, but legitimate questions would get moved and the user wouldn't get told off.

[Catzsy]

I don't think you understand what I'm saying

I'm not saying change anything with the current thread moving

I'm saying if someone asks a question in a trading thread (as sinsinaty did) then instead of editing the question and subsequent answers simply move the thread to the Talk about trading/furni section, instead of giving the user a PM telling them not to post in that specific area, simply VM them telling them that you've moved the post to its own thread. (although as it stands you can post questions, as the rule states you are allowed to post questions relevant to the topic, which will include asking why a price is so low).

Obviously people posting general crap would still get the please dont post ere, but legitimate questions would get moved and the user wouldn't get told off.

I do understand and as I said before they may not want to post a thread about it. They are at liberty to do so at anytime.

[scottish]

People may not want their posts merged with other thread, you do it anyways

People may not want you to move their threads to other sections, you do it anyways

I'm sure majority of members would rather you move a post and make a thread out of a question, rather than getting a pm warning them not to do it again...