Compulsory "Post What You're Listening to" winge thread

[Chippiewill]

I just read through five pages of the thread (And I'm set to 40 posts per page, meaning that's almost 20 normal pages) and came to the shocking conclusion that there were only four points of discussion in those all those pages and three of those were basically "This. So awesome!!11!!111!!".

I'm not entirely sure how you can justify a thread with less productive discussion than spam.

I decided to also check that "What you're watching" thread also which did marginally better with six occurrences and with some actual discussion involved.

One thing I did notice is that if other people start discussing then others will start discussing things also, since most of the discussions occurred on the same page in both threads.

[FlyingJesus]

Even less discussion than when Jake comes back and makes those POST YOUR..... threads but for some reason they're considered less spammy than the longest-running conversation on the entire forum

[buttons]

so what's your suggestion? put it in spam or take away post counts? if its take away post count then yeah i agree. over 1,000 of my posts are from both the 'what are you listening to threads?' which i'd rather not have, i only post there when i'm bored not for the post count.

[Chippiewill]

Suggestion switch post your music with KKK, guaranteed more productive discussion.

[Eoin247]

Guys, management are gona give the same answer they always do every time this thread shows up. I agree that they are relatively pointless but it seems that most people on the forum want these threads to stay.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh I'm in no way suggesting that KKK should have post counts enabled btw, just that what you're listening to/watching shouldn't. The threads can stay that's not a problem, people seem to enjoy them, but there's no way you can pretend that they promote active discussion

[Catzsy]

Well there is historical and then there is downright ancient as this thread is now. Maybe have a forum poll on it to see what members think now?

[Inseriousity.]

I wouldn't mind them not having a post count. I'd say that if there was any discussion in the threads then it actually has the opposite effect in that it creates less threads for an actual discussion about said film, which is why I was opposed to the idea of a Habbo spam thread/forum. Although is it possible to disable post count on one thread and keep it in the same forum? I didn't think it was so if that was to be the case they'd have to be moved to spam forum

[Neversoft]

It would just die in spam or forum games. I don't see why everyone is so miffed about that thread increasing post count. People enjoy posting there and if others want to spam then fine, so what? Why does it matter?

WHY DO YOU WANT TO RUIN EVERYTHING?

[Chippiewill]

People enjoy posting there
The point is they don't, there's no discussion.

[Neversoft]

The point is they don't, there's no discussion.

Since when does there have to be discussion to be enjoyment? I enjoy posting what I'm listening to. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with you. If people didn't care about posting there, they wouldn't do it.

[Catzsy]

The point is they don't, there's no discussion.

LOL. This is a bit silly. They wouldn't post there otherwise. xx

[The Don]

I enjoy looking through those threads to see what others are listening to, i don't know why but when i'm bored it's there as something to do. I see no reason to move it to a different forum or remove the post count as it will certainly die, why fix something that isn't broken?

If you want to start nitpicking, then we should also remove the post count from the PAPOY thread as well, as it offers no discussion past the inevitable "looking good" comment.

[Chris]

I swear this is discussed every other month. :P I personally don't see the point in moving them to spam or games. If they get moved they will most certainly die and will not be kept to the intended point of the thread.

[beth]

i don't mind making them no post gain from now on i think i'd lose a **** load of my posts though and i think a lot of older members would to. they're just old school.

[Chippiewill]

I see no reason to move it to a different forum or remove the post count as it will certainly die


If they get moved they will most certainly die

Does this not imply that people's main incentive to post in there is for post count?

I'm not suggesting losing past post count, I'm suggesting doing as like a few years ago when forum games was made into no count increase and let everyone keep their count from the threads but cease it from increasing.


If you want to start nitpicking, then we should also remove the post count from the PAPOY thread as well, as it offers no discussion past the inevitable "looking good" comment.
Unlike "what you're listening to" threads you do at least get discussion for almost every post in that thread

[FlyingJesus]

It would just die in spam or forum games.


People enjoy posting there

Which is it Chirs? This is the same false logic people tried for keeping the post count in forum games - either people will post there anyway (which has become the case for forum games and it's all happy happy) or it will die (thus proving that people only post there for easy post count) but there's no way anyone can claim that it's discussive enough to not fall into spam rules

[Neversoft]

Which is it Chirs? This is the same false logic people tried for keeping the post count in forum games - either people will post there anyway (which has become the case for forum games and it's all happy happy) or it will die (thus proving that people only post there for easy post count) but there's no way anyone can claim that it's discussive enough to not fall into spam rules

Why can't it be both? The fact that the thread is in the music section keeps it both active and on topic and it's a nice thread people can easily pop in to. Where it's located is a big part of why it's used so often, it would pretty much lose its purpose if moved to forum games. Notice how all the other 'what are you' threads have faded from existence since they were relocated or closed. And if it were moved to spam you know it will diverge into something else.

[Eoin247]

Why can't it be both? The fact that the thread is in the music section keeps it both active and on topic and it's a nice thread people can easily pop in to. Where it's located is a big part of why it's used so often, it would pretty much lose its purpose if moved to forum games. Notice how all the other 'what are you' threads have faded from existence since they were relocated or closed. And if it were moved to spam you know it will diverge into something else.

I have agree on the last point here, if it was put into spam it will probably become very off topic

[FlyingJesus]

Notice how all the other 'what are you' threads have faded from existence since they were relocated or closed.

Prob because they're all rubbish threads that were only used for easy post count

[Chippiewill]

And if it were moved to spam you know it will diverge into something else.
They can employ rules to avoid that.

You're still making a logical fallacy here though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

I actually think it works as a better subject match in spam, since a lot of spam posts are about what has happened in people's day and posting what you've just listened to is very similar.

[Neversoft]

They can employ rules to avoid that.

You're still making a logical fallacy here though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

I actually think it works as a better subject match in spam, since a lot of spam posts are about what has happened in people's day and posting what you've just listened to is very similar.

What's the point? Rules ruin everything, especially in spam. You can't get people to stay on topic there. Really, who's the one being illogical? I explained everything quite clearly, to be honest. If you think it's a fallacy then that's your problem.

[Chris]

They can employ rules to avoid that.

You're still making a logical fallacy here though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

I actually think it works as a better subject match in spam, since a lot of spam posts are about what has happened in people's day and posting what you've just listened to is very similar.

The whole idea of the spam forum is for people to post freely without having to be met with the off topic or pointless posting rule. It would be illogical to move the thread to spam for that reason, and to games for the reason that the thread is not a game and doesn't belong there.

[Chippiewill]

The spam forum is subject to more rules than the rest of the forum as it is,

[Chris]

The spam forum is subject to more rules than the rest of the forum as it is,

Well thats not true. Spam is the most lenient forum and you'll find that you can get away with far more in there than you would in other forums. Enforcing the off topic rule in spam threads defeats the point of spam and makes moderators jobs a lot harder.

There really are no benefits to moving any of these threads. If people are believed to be posting purely for post count then they are contacted and asked not to do it, which was rarely an issue when I was a moderator anyway.

[Richie]

I have always had a strong opinion on this topic. I always moaned about how pointless the thread was but now when I think about it, it may not create discussions in the actual thread but it does show what music other members enjoy listening too. The more you get to know members the easier it is to befriend them, sure i can just post on anyones page "hey, how're you" but i don't know what their interests are (vice versa) so the chances are they will reply with something like "hey I'm fine, you" and who wants to continue a conversation based on utter ****e, you don't know the person simple as, the conversation will go nowhere. However, if i know what they're interested in it's easier to speak to them so it does havebenefits. I feel if a thread describes another members interests it shouldn't be deemed pointless.

[Eoin247]

Well even though the spam forum has a great deal of rules, most of them are rarely if ever enforced

[Catzsy]

Well even though the spam forum has a great deal of rules, most of them are rarely if ever enforced

But it doesn't LOL. Examples?

[-:Undertaker:-]

At a time when the forum is losing activity, why would we shoot ourselves in the foot by stifling any form of discussion?

I would personally make posts in Spam count myself (and just not allow double+ posts) and why? because why not. The whole point of a forum is discussion/exchanging ideas, thoughts and posting. Who is to say what is 'proper discussion' and what isn't? allow it to be a near free for all.

I can predict i'll get the "but some members will have 50,000+ posts!!" - so? a big number on a screen?

[Eoin247]

But it doesn't LOL. Examples?

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650794

A (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650794)lot things that aren't "officially allowed" are allowed by general practise in spam, or at least are subject to a huge amount of mod discretion and some mods seem to be confused on what's allowed and what's not in spam. I've seen mods browsing (and even posting in) spam threads and nothing is done to a "rule breaking post" , yet when a different mod browses it a few hours later it could get changed.

I'm not suggesting that the spam forum be made more restrictive. In fact i believe that if anything it should be made more lenient. I'm just pointing out what i have observed while i've been on these forums.

[Catzsy]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650794

A (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=650794)lot things that aren't "officially allowed" are allowed by general practise in spam, or at least are subject to a huge amount of mod discretion and some mods seem to be confused on what's allowed and what's not in spam. I've seen mods browsing (and even posting in) spam threads and nothing is done to a "rule breaking post" , yet when a different mod browses it a few hours later it could get changed.

I'm not suggesting that the spam forum be made more restrictive. In fact i believe that if anything it should be made more lenient. I'm just pointing out what i have observed while i've been on these forums.

Well that is is not a great deal of rules. LOL It is not that the mods are confused it is just that friends are allowed to 'banter' in spam so what might sound rude in the rest of the forum in fact is not generally to the person being replied to who takes it and often gives it back with a sense of humour. On occasions though the person may sign in and might not be happy about it and report so then obviously it is dealt with which would account for what you are saying. Yes I agree that the amount of moderator discretion is the highest in spam and it does take a mod awhile to get accustomed to it. :)

[GommeInc]

They can employ rules to avoid that.
Bad idea, creating pointless rules that step-toe around a non-problem is always a bad idea. Over-regulation is constricting.

Keep it where it is. There doesn't appear to be an logical answer for or against it, so you may as well keep it where it is. Individuals suggesting it is moved into Spam or Forum Games are of the belief it doesn't have a point (when it does) while those in favour of keeping it where it is for the sake of post count make very little sense as it could survive without post count. Compromise and keep it where it is. It's about music, therefore it's common sense to keep a thread about what music you are listening to in a forum designed for discussions about music. Besides, a few people have said it's an interesting thread.

[FlyingJesus]

Individuals suggesting it is moved into Spam or Forum Games are of the belief it doesn't have a point (when it does)

That's not true, we're not saying it's pointless just that it isn't active discussion and has no reason to increase post counts


while those in favour of keeping it where it is for the sake of post count make very little sense as it could survive without post count. Compromise and keep it where it is.

That's not a compromise that's going with the second lot and changing nothing :P give it it's own little sub in music that links straight into the thread and set that to not have post counts enabled, THAT is a compromise.

[Chippiewill]

..and a very sensible one. I'd agree with that, isn't derailed by spam and if people don't post in there just for post boost then the thread will stay alive.

[GommeInc]

That's not true, we're not saying it's pointless just that it isn't active discussion and has no reason to increase post counts
Is that really a problem? It shows members actively listen to music and provides members viewing the thread some idea of what is popular on the forum (which some have stated). The "Post Your Desktop and Setup" threads in the Technology Discussion forum are just as guilty of this supposedly cardinal sin, except some with an interest reply to some of the posts (though mostly they do not). If anything, it should be to promote members discussing the music choice of others, which wouldn't go a miss, rather than eradicate the problem altogether by removing one possible type of discussion on this forum. Personally I think the opposite of your proposed idea - instead of remove the thread and the post count, promote active discussion in the thread instead to go along side the central point of the thread - to post what song you are listening to.

I think you're jumping the gun by suggesting it is removed from the forum it best suits, and there doesn't appear to be any harm in allowing the thread to add to the post count - the last few pages I've trawled through seem to be keeping in time with the thread, there are no members posting frantically any odd song they are listening to because they crave posts on this forum (which is news to me :P) Besides, surely adding to the post count is useful? It shows that members are active in one aspect of the forum community, which is what a post count is there to do. Adding a sub-forum that redirects to the thread is going to do wonders with the forum tracking tools on here, especially when you will get another seemingly pointless sub-forum added to the top of the music forum and hogging space.


That's not a compromise that's going with the second lot and changing nothing :P give it it's own little sub in music that links straight into the thread and set that to not have post counts enabled, THAT is a compromise.
That would be a pointless sub-forum to have just one thread inside it :P And I forgot what word I needed, but went for compromise. It's whatever one which suggests the best outcome for a problem that cannot really be tackled due to the general census of no one caring is to keep it the same :P


..and a very sensible one. I'd agree with that, isn't derailed by spam and if people don't post in there just for post boost then the thread will stay alive.
Would it be wise to deminish another aspect of forum activity? There have been discussions early on about how members do not seem to be as active as they used to be. If people are interested in this thread then the best course of action is to leave it be. It may not promote active discussion, but it is one active area of the forum which is more important at the moment. If something has to change, have it so members actively discuss the songs they are listening to, which shouldn't be too hard. You could get moderators and staff who post in that forum to start a discussion by creating an unseen objective in the staff forums to spark discussion in this thread, and members should hopefully actively participate at their leisure soon after. If not, create another forum called "What are you listening to?" - which builds upon the sub-forum mention above - but allows post count and active discussion based on multiple threads, rather than posts in just one thread.

[FlyingJesus]

Is that really a problem? It shows members actively listen to music and provides members viewing the thread some idea of what is popular on the forum (which some have stated). The "Post Your Desktop and Setup" threads in the Technology Discussion forum are just as guilty of this supposedly cardinal sin, except some with an interest reply to some of the posts (though mostly they do not).

"Post your.." threads are also pointless and mostly belong in spam, where they do quite rightly tend to get thrown these days


If anything, it should be to promote members discussing the music choice of others, which wouldn't go a miss, rather than eradicate the problem altogether by removing one possible type of discussion on this forum. Personally I think the opposite of your proposed idea - instead of remove the thread and the post count, promote active discussion in the thread instead to go along side the central point of the thread - to post what song you are listening to.

That's what the rest of the music forum's for, otherwise you'd have multiple discussions going on in one thread and the entire section may as well then be one thread - something you go on to say is a bad thing


I think you're jumping the gun by suggesting it is removed from the forum it best suits

I'm not


surely adding to the post count is useful? It shows that members are active in one aspect of the forum community, which is what a post count is there to do.

That logic suggests that the most active area, spam, ought to also have post count enabled


That would be a pointless sub-forum to have just one thread inside it :P And I forgot what word I needed, but went for compromise. It's whatever one which suggests the best outcome for a problem that cannot really be tackled due to the general census of no one caring is to keep it the same :P

Is Chirs a general census? Pretty sure most people have been saying it ought to be not count, and the subforum could quite easily be a hidden one with just a link through. It would appear exactly the same as it does right now, just clicking the thread would redirect you to its new position. There is if I recall correctly a simple function to do this by leaving a sort of ghost thread in the original section, and you still see it as though it were there


Would it be wise to deminish another aspect of forum activity? There have been discussions early on about how members do not seem to be as active as they used to be. If people are interested in this thread then the best course of action is to leave it be.

If it's that popular then people will still post in it like with forum games, and with my suggestion it won't even be in a different location


It may not promote active discussion, but it is one active area of the forum which is more important at the moment. If something has to change, have it so members actively discuss the songs they are listening to, which shouldn't be too hard. You could get moderators and staff who post in that forum to start a discussion by creating an unseen objective in the staff forums to spark discussion in this thread, and members should hopefully actively participate at their leisure soon after. If not, create another forum called "What are you listening to?" - which builds upon the sub-forum mention above - but allows post count and active discussion based on multiple threads, rather than posts in just one thread.

Again, that's the point of the rest of the music section

[sophiethenerd]

All it is, is a thread where people post songs. Imo its not a constructive thread and it belongs in spam.

[GommeInc]

"Post your.." threads are also pointless and mostly belong in spam, where they do quite rightly tend to get thrown these days
I've not come across this? They shouldn't be though, because the whole point of categories and forums is to group together similar discussions in one place. Many of the big threads have stayed where they were created - Post... a picture of yourself, a picture of your setup, your desktop, your car etc etc


That's what the rest of the music forum's for, otherwise you'd have multiple discussions going on in one thread and the entire section may as well then be one thread - something you go on to say is a bad thing.
Where?


That logic suggests that the most active area, spam, ought to also have post count enabled
Depends on the thread. The Spam forum occasionally has interesting threads chucked in there for goodness knows what reason. Some people post there out of habit, possibly to attract the usual crowd. The last time the Spam forum was discussed I believe I stated that the Spam forum doesn't serve it's purpose as a forum for pointless posts, and that it became the new Discuss Anything forum :P



Most appear to be the odd "if something has to change" or "I wouldn't mind" rather than definitive yes or no answers. There doesn't seem to be any real concerns.

[quote=FlyingJesus]If it's that popular then people will still post in it like with forum games, and with my suggestion it won't even be in a different location
By default you cannot disable posts counts in threads, it's only the forum with the ability (unless 4.1 added this feature?). Your suggestion of moving it to some unknown forum and leaving a ghost will give it a different location (people viewing/posting in the thread will see the forum name associated with it in Last Post etc.) Plus you have the task of creating the sub-forum or forum to place it in - Would spam want it? It's not a pointless thread afterall (as the Spam forum description suggests) and creating one sub-forum for one thread is incredibly wasteful and it's not a forum game. I'm not entirely sure if Ghost threads last, sometimes they disappear but I assume this can be altered.


Again, that's the point of the rest of the music section
Then you have the problem of members not creating threads to express what they are listening to. Not everyone posts threads, they tend to reply to them instead.

[Eoin247]

While we're on the topic of posts, congratz section should have post count i believe. It has more merit for post count than some other sections

[GommeInc]

While we're on the topic of posts, congratz section should have post count i believe. It has more merit for post count than some other sections
It doesn't have a post count? :S I guess it's just generic "Welcome :D!" messages, but to say that would mean that the "What are you listening to?" would have to have a disabled post count too.

[Eoin247]

It doesn't have a post count? :S I guess it's just generic "Welcome :D!" messages, but to say that would mean that the "What are you listening to?" would have to have a disabled post count too.

The congratz section doesn't, but the welcome section does. Seems kinda odd to me

[FlyingJesus]

I've not come across this? They shouldn't be though, because the whole point of categories and forums is to group together similar discussions in one place. Many of the big threads have stayed where they were created - Post... a picture of yourself, a picture of your setup, your desktop, your car etc etc

Plenty got moved to spam when Jake came back and had his usual spout of creating them


Where?

You suggest that a subby with just one thread is a bad thing, which is essentially the same but not really an important point


Most appear to be the odd "if something has to change" or "I wouldn't mind" rather than definitive yes or no answers. There doesn't seem to be any real concerns.

If there weren't concerns there wouldn't be a thread lol


By default you cannot disable posts counts in threads, it's only the forum with the ability (unless 4.1 added this feature?). Your suggestion of moving it to some unknown forum and leaving a ghost will give it a different location (people viewing/posting in the thread will see the forum name associated with it in Last Post etc.) Plus you have the task of creating the sub-forum or forum to place it in - Would spam want it? It's not a pointless thread afterall (as the Spam forum description suggests) and creating one sub-forum for one thread is incredibly wasteful and it's not a forum game. I'm not entirely sure if Ghost threads last, sometimes they disappear but I assume this can be altered.

Wouldn't need to disable post counts in the thread itself because it would be in a different forum. The actual forum ID wouldn't matter as it would still just come from the music section where the ghost would be, and the sub itself can be madeas a child forum ofMusic and hidden so that it doesn't take up any visible space and wouldn't cause any "waste". It would look exactly the same as it does right now to us peasants


Then you have the problem of members not creating threads to express what they are listening to. Not everyone posts threads, they tend to reply to them instead.

There's already a thread for that, it'sthe onewe're talking about :P threads for actual discussion and opinions on music are made in the rest of the section, which does happen and won't be hampered (indeed, might even cause an increase in activity) by making this change

[The Don]

What does Habbox gain from removing the post count in that thread or relocating it into the spam/forum games section? The only thing that will do is reduce activity in the thread which doesn't benefit Habbox whatsoever. Jake's threads were all moved to spam because they didn't create discussion and they weren't as popular as the 'Post What You're Listening to' thread. Obviously, theoretically, it should be moved to Spam, but considering the forums activity is decreasing and the thread generates a lot of interest, it shouldn't be changed.

[FlyingJesus]

I'd argue that removing post count from it might actually promote more discussion, since anyone who does post there just for a post count would instead be getting more involved in current discussion threads or creating their own to actually talk about a track/artist rather than just record what they've got on at the time. Of course, people genuinely interested in the thread won't stop posting in it anyway, so that wouldn't be an issue

AND YES THESE WORDS MERGING IS BLOODY ANNOYING lol

[GommeInc]

Wouldn't need to disable post counts in the thread itself because it would be in a different forum. The actual forum ID wouldn't matter as it would still just come from the music section where the ghost would be, and the sub itself can be madeas a child forum ofMusic and hidden so that it doesn't take up any visible space and wouldn't cause any "waste". It would look exactly the same as it does right now to us peasants
I'm pretty sure this is impossible... The forum will have to be viewable for us peasants to see the thread, as the forum permissions would effect who can see it. So if the forum is hidden from view, then so would the thread as the forum will look at your permissions (for example) and notice that you lack the pre-requisites to view the forum, which then leads to an access denied warning when attempting to view the thread. It's like when threads are moved from Feedback to Trash/Bin (whatever Habbox call their archive of 'deleted' threads).

Also, I'm fairly certain it won't make people create discussions in the forum about what songs they are listening to. If they do not do it now they will never do it unless there is an incentive. It will be business as useful for the Music forum, which people use to discuss songs they've done covers of or particular songs worthy of discussion.

[FlyingJesus]

Forums can be made that are "visible" (ie: people can get to them) but don't have actual links on the main page/in the category, and so wouldn't take up any space visibly. If you really fancied it you'd be able to get to the specific sub by either writing the forum ID in the URL or clicking the link once you're already in the thread, but it can easily be set so that other threads can't be made in there. It really is the work of about 5 minutes and would do the job perfectly

[Grumbles]

Well, I like feta cheese



Edited by Catzsy (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not spam

[Eoin247]

Why not un-stickie them? there are a hell of a lot of threads on this forum that shouldn't have been stickied for as long as they have been. Most forums regularly change the stickie threads in the forum of this type.

[Chippiewill]

The "Post Your Desktop and Setup" threads in the Technology Discussion forum are just as guilty of this supposedly cardinal sin, except some with an interest reply to some of the posts (though mostly they do not).
There's at least triple if not more points of discussion in those threads per page, they also are not spammable in the same way.

[JerseySafety]

Well, I like feta cheese



Edited by Catzsy (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not spam

LOL, totally off topic.

OT: Removing post count just makes the thread dead (in most cases), unstickying the thread could work but then again it could become dead. I really don't see a problem.

[GommeInc]

There's at least triple if not more points of discussion in those threads per page, they also are not spammable in the same way.
Not the same way, but spammable in a different way. There have been the odd occasion where a member will add their background in quick succession, with a different background. You have to ask, "does anyone care?" Personally it's not really the be all and end all knowing or not knowing what some has as their desktop background - the same goes for the music thread. It is a topicless thread with about as much point as the "Post what you are listening to" thread - one posts what your desktop background is while the other asks what you are listening at that specific moment in time ;) There isn't much discussion, other than "where do you download backgrounds?" which is reminiscent of similar one-off questions of "where do you download your songs from. iTunes? Oh." So both as boring and careless-able as each other. Double posts seem non-existent too.

The trouble with the music thread is that it could be topical but the fact it's in the music forum where people already discuss specific songs takes away any discussion, but without it there wouldn't really be any way of knowing what people are listening to, because some may not care about posting such things in their own threads.

To kill off it's post count doesn't seem to of been answered either, other than a half-baked response of "if it can keep the post count then the spam forum should have a post count too", when everyone and their unborn children knows that the spam forum doesn't really act the way it should do :P Half of the forums useful discussions and "pointful" threads are in that forum, and it has it's own sub-culture and sub-community to boot.

[FlyingJesus]

I don't think anyone's suggesting that spam ought to have a post count (except for when we asked if it were possible to just have a report of how many posts we all have in there as a one-off thing, but that's not the same) and there's no suggestion to take away the thread, merely to change it so that post counts don't rise in it

[GommeInc]

I don't think anyone's suggesting that spam ought to have a post count (except for when we asked if it were possible to just have a report of how many posts we all have in there as a one-off thing, but that's not the same) and there's no suggestion to take away the thread, merely to change it so that post counts don't rise in it
When I brought up the usefulness of a post count you stated:



surely adding to the post count is useful? It shows that members are active in one aspect of the forum community, which is what a post count is there to do.
That logic suggests that the most active area, spam, ought to also have post count enabled
But that's merely arguing pedantics :P Spam = pointless yet the Habbox version of Spam isn't, so to bring up Spam was in itself pointless to this discussion, because many of the threads in the Spam forum promote active discussion and have a point of some sort. I'm not sure why having a post count for this thread is so damaging as seems to be the argument here. It's not that popular as threads go, it has its uses and it's not abused. Post counts mean very little these days, it's just a number.

[Chippiewill]

Not the same way, but spammable in a different way. There have been the odd occasion where a member will add their background in quick succession, with a different background. You have to ask, "does anyone care?" Personally it's not really the be all and end all knowing or not knowing what some has as their desktop background - the same goes for the music thread.
Unlike the music section the technology moderators seem much more attentive at catching people who post with just changing backgrounds, the only person who seems to get away with it is Recursion and he puts in the effort to change the OS each time round.


It is a topicless thread with about as much point as the "Post what you are listening to" thread - one posts what your desktop background is while the other asks what you are listening at that specific moment in time ;) There isn't much discussion, other than "where do you download backgrounds?" which is reminiscent of similar one-off questions of "where do you download your songs from. iTunes? Oh." So both as boring and careless-able as each other.
The discussion in the thread is far more diverse, often discussing things seen in the picture, for example the OS they're running, whether it runs well, or pointing out to someone that running IE6 is a dumb idea etc.


The trouble with the music thread is that it could be topical but the fact it's in the music forum where people already discuss specific songs takes away any discussion, but without it there wouldn't really be any way of knowing what people are listening to, because some may not care about posting such things in their own threads.
Sorry, but if we're going to speculate then there's no point debating this.

[GommeInc]

Sorry, but if we're going to speculate then there's no point debating this.
Isn't that what you've been doing the whole time, speculating? :S I thought it was damn right obvious, seeing as it's been stated countless times the "what are you listening to" thread serves one of a few purposes of the music forum - discussions cannot be done with it to the same extent as the desktop backgrounds thread because the whole point of the music forum is to discuss music, but at the same time people are not going to spam the music forum with threads based on what they are listening to, when one thread will suffice - especially one that doesn't appear to have any issues :P So it's not speculation per se, because it's virtually impossible to have a strong discussion in that thread because then the forum will suffer - what you are doing, suggesting the thread will survive without a post count is speculation too, you do know that? Heck, the whole point of discussing ideas is the central point to what speculation means - "Guessing" what/if/will/why/how - so what you said here was pretty silly in retrospect :P

So to answer to your point "there is no point debating this because it's speculation" - Good, then you agree the thread should not be touched because discussing changes based purely on guess work is incredibly bad. It's impossible to predict to 100% accuracy what will happen when something is changed, so what you've been doing the past 5 or 6 pages is based on speculation - guess work on how to change the thread etc. So really you've been wasting your time, seeing as you disagree with yourself and the prospects of "change" :P

[FlyingJesus]

What speculation are you on about? The change we're advocating is to do with something that is current and visible. It's very simply:

Xis the case >Y ought to be the case instead for Z reason{s}> This is how to go about it

Any discussion about whether the thread will "die" as a result and what may go on in the music section after the change might be of interest but really has nothing to do with the suggestion itself, as it doesn't affect the base point that the change ought to be made and that there's an easily viable way of doing so without messing up the look or usability

[GommeInc]

What speculation are you on about? The change we're advocating is to do with something that is current and visible. It's very simply:

Xis the case >Y ought to be the case instead for Z reason{s}> This is how to go about it

Any discussion about whether the thread will "die" as a result and what may go on in the music section after the change might be of interest but really has nothing to do with the suggestion itself, as it doesn't affect the base point that the change ought to be made and that there's an easily viable way of doing so without messing up the look or usability
I'm shocked you do not know what speculation is :S The speculation is that you assume that the change will result, in absolute certainty, in the thread maintaining or receiving greater interest than at its current state. Speculation is, in its basic form, guessing that a change will result in the desired outcome, yet there is no proof it will. There is a lack of evidence or fact is based on incomplete evidence. You are a proposing a change, you, myself and the rest of the forum who have found themselves here are speculating over the prospects of changing the forum - what the desired outcome might be, what they should be etc. etc.

Infact, reading over Chippiewill's initial post in this thread, there doesn't appear to be any suggestion as to what is wrong with the thread other than it lacks any point - when many people here have posted that it does have a point and the very thread itself makes it obvious - it's to post what music you are listening to. The question seems to be: "How can you justify a thread with less productive discussions than spam." The answer is simple: Does it need to?

I think this thread has got to be the worst thread when it comes to discussing the "what are you listening to" thread. If anything, it's questioning the point of having a forum in the first place. Forums are places you share and discuss topics, yet the suggestion here is we remove the sharing aspect and have a boring discussion forum where any lack of discussion results in punishment. (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=729850&p=7358225#post7358225)

There is a lack of evidence that people are posting to increase their post count, which has been stated a few times:

Post #15 (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=729850&p=7358182#post7358182)
Post #16 (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=729850&p=7358185#post7358185)
Post #17 (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=729850&p=7358203#post7358203)
Post #44 (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=729850&p=7359728#post7359728)

It's pure speculation at the moment. Some even contradict each other. Would removing post count promote active discussion? Hopefully not, because the Music forum will suffer because any music discussions should hopefully be turned into threads, which is the case now. Active discussion will, deceptively, make the forum look less active because there will be less posts being made IF post counts were disabled.

It's probably why management are ignoring this thread or not acting upon the lack of suggestions, because there doesn't appear to be any problems as of yet. IF people were posting to increase their post count (which seems to be main problem here) then disabling it could work or moderators could actively use Rule A7 to combat the spam problem, but as of yet there is no clear evidence. Plus you have to measure up post count to the ranking system, which is I assume why people are upset because its an easy way to advance through the ranking system. Most of the people in that forum seem to have VIP so the User Ranking Systems seems to be a bit useless, as the benefits of increasing your post count are non-existent, plus you have to spam a lot to reap the benefits. Heck, if you do spam a lot the only time you get any benefits of the ranking system is when you reach Habbox God, the other ranks are not that useful unless people care that much about the size of their avatar and the bonus rep - 15 to 30 points is useless as rep goes these days anyway. That's like saving 25p towards a car - you've got a lot of work to do.

[-:Undertaker:-]

That logic suggests that the most active area, spam, ought to also have post count enabled

Let's enable it then.

[FlyingJesus]

I'm shocked you do not know what speculation is :S The speculation is that you assume that the change will result, in absolute certainty, in the thread maintaining or receiving greater interest than at its current state. Speculation is, in its basic form, guessing that a change will result in the desired outcome, yet there is no proof it will.

The desired outcome is not having thousands upon thousandsof non-responsive, non-discussive posts counting as though they were useful and part of something proper. No speculation needed about that, and like I say the rest actually has nothing to do with that point


Infact, reading over Chippiewill's initial post in this thread, there doesn't appear to be any suggestion as to what is wrong with the thread other than it lacks any point - when many people here have posted that it does have a point

Chirs =/= many people


I think this thread has got to be the worst thread when it comes to discussing the "what are you listening to" thread. If anything, it's questioning the point of having a forum in the first place. Forums are places you share and discuss topics, yet the suggestion here is we remove the sharing aspect and have a boring discussion forum where any lack of discussion results in punishment. (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=729850&p=7358225#post7358225)

I don't think not having a post count in such a thread qualifies as a "punishment", and that suggestion in the link as far as I'm aware has been revoked


There is a lack of evidence that people are posting to increase their post count, which has been stated a few times:

Post #15 (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=729850&p=7358182#post7358182)
Post #16 (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=729850&p=7358185#post7358185)
Post #17 (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=729850&p=7358203#post7358203)
Post #44 (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=729850&p=7359728#post7359728)

It's pure speculation at the moment.

Those things are speculation yes, but have nothing to do with the main point and are merely follow-ons


Some even contradict each other. Would removing post count promote active discussion? Hopefully not, because the Music forum will suffer because any music discussions should hopefully be turned into threads, which is the case now. Active discussion will, deceptively, make the forum look less active because there will be less posts being made IF post counts were disabled.

More discussion threads is a bad thing? As for less posts, I'd much rather have a smaller amount of interesting and discussive posts than a multitude of one line posts that no-one actually responds to. Otherwise we might as well be Twitter


Plus you have to measure up post count to the ranking system, which is I assume why people are upset because its an easy way to advance through the ranking system. Most of the people in that forum seem to have VIP so the User Ranking Systems seems to be a bit useless, as the benefits of increasing your post count are non-existent, plus you have to spam a lot to reap the benefits. Heck, if you do spam a lot the only time you get any benefits of the ranking system is when you reach Habbox God, the other ranks are not that useful unless people care that much about the size of their avatar and the bonus rep - 15 to 30 points is useless as rep goes these days anyway. That's like saving 25p towards a car - you've got a lot of work to do.

It's a bad time to be looking at the usergroups of people in any thread at the moment since VIP is on sale, so pretty much all active users have it for the time being. That aside, it's extremely clear that the thread doesn't exist for true interest as there is absolutely no response to anything from anyone within it. There are pages upon pages between even so much as an "oh I love that song!" post, so regardless of whether people are posting there to increase their counts or out of boredom it does not in any way qualify as an active discussion thread - that and only that is the real point

[Chippiewill]

It's probably why management are ignoring this thread or not acting upon the lack of suggestions, because there doesn't appear to be any problems as of yet.
Management have learnt to keep their noses out of the threads because they end up looking stupendously arrogant when they do *cough*oli*cough* and it ends up with severely biased discussion as soon as anyone from management takes a view because half of the forum act like sheep at that point.


IF people were posting to increase their post count (which seems to be main problem here) then disabling it could work or moderators could actively use Rule A7 to combat the spam problem, but as of yet there is no clear evidence.
Moderators are very, very, very extraordinarily lenient when it comes to rule A7 and that thread, directly concerning this little gem "~ Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion.".

[GommeInc]

The desired outcome is not having thousands upon thousandsof non-responsive, non-discussive posts counting as though they were useful and part of something proper. No speculation needed about that, and like I say the rest actually has nothing to do with that point
That's a statement of a desired outcome, but to get to that outcome speculation is needed. You of all people should know that change does not happen so smoothly :P Besides, it's just a post count - no one takes it seriously and the thread itself seems to lack any blatant "posting for post count posts". Only one member seems to be posting often, and they only have 2,000 odd posts. If it was there just to increase post count then those members will be long gone before getting anywhere. No one has that much time on their hands.


Chirs =/= many people
Neversoft, The Don, Undertaker, Infectious, Richie.... Eoin247 seems to be jumping between the two camps.


I don't think not having a post count in such a thread qualifies as a "punishment", and that suggestion in the link as far as I'm aware has been revoked
I never said this, I said that not actively engaging in discussion should not result in punishment, something Chippiewill suggested could be a penalty for spamming the thread (which isn't spammed in anyway, might I add). This suggestion was argued against, and as you stated, was revoked.


Those things are speculation yes, but have nothing to do with the main point and are merely follow-ons
They are still actively engaging in the forces for change. The main point is to remove post count, and both sides are speculating for or against it. They are not follow ons, they are forces for and against change. It's how change theory works.


More discussion threads is a bad thing? As for less posts, I'd much rather have a smaller amount of interesting and discussive posts than a multitude of one line posts that no-one actually responds to. Otherwise we might as well be Twitter
Words in mouth syndrome is an undesirable quality :rolleyes: Read what I said. The thread cannot be made to actively discuss songs individually, as the forum it sits in is made for that use. Something you've been stating for a while now (Post 26 etc. etc.) *hand on head*


It's a bad time to be looking at the usergroups of people in any thread at the moment since VIP is on sale, so pretty much all active users have it for the time being. That aside, it's extremely clear that the thread doesn't exist for true interest as there is absolutely no response to anything from anyone within it. There are pages upon pages between even so much as an "oh I love that song!" post, so regardless of whether people are posting there to increase their counts or out of boredom it does not in any way qualify as an active discussion thread - that and only that is the real point
VIP or not, members have got to work very hard to get any worth while benefits from their supposedly spamming the thread. Also, some people prefer to read threads rather than reply. The Don stated one use of the thread and that's what people are generally listening to. Whether there is discussion or not, it serves a purpose - to post what you are listening to. As post counts aren't important these days, the thread doesn't really have any major flaws :/

[Catzsy]

Well to start with this is a very constructive thread with highly mature content but the way I see it those discussing it are mostly all 18 +. I feel what we have to remember is that a lot of members are a lot younger and I am in a good postion to be able to gauge the age of the intake and therefore they cannot really be expected to post threads with content as mature as you guys do and surely they cannot be expected too. As long as the thread does promote active discussion whether the content is eloquent or not then it should be allowed. I am not saying that super spamming of loads of threads that blocks the new posts view that happened awhile ago by somebody who shall be nameless should be allowed.

The 'what you are listening to' thread is moderated and if somebody could not physically listen to as much as they say they are listening to then action would be taken. I feel that if those who feel there are too many pointless threads should report them and they will be considered individually - no not the stickied ones! :P The forum is for all ages, all levels of maturity and lack of it so 'live and let live'.

[FlyingJesus]

There
is
no
discussion
in
that
thread.

End story. The "there's no harm being done" argument can be used for just about everything that's pointless or nonsensical, it's a complete non-argument. There'd be no "harm" in making a pink and orange clashing skin, there'd be no "harm" in creating an official poll to see what everyone's favourite breed of horse is, there'd be no "harm" in merging all of the categories into one and just having a list of forums, but none of these are good ideas. Rosie has put it best in her reply:


As long as the thread does promote active discussion

And that really is that. Non-discussive threads ought not to have a post count.


As for the one person who's very active in that thread Ryan, you may have shot yourself in the foot there - about 20% of her posts are from that thread alone, which as far as I'm aware is a pretty sizeable chunk to be getting from not actually talking to anyone

[xxMATTGxx]

I haven't read all of the pages but if there's no discussion in the music one do you agree that there is no discussion is any other "Post Your" thread then?

This reminds me of the time when "Post Your" threads got banned and around four different members were temp banned due to protesting and a Forum Moderator was also fired. The times of being a Forum Moderator back then!

[Chris]

Just so everyone is aware, THIS (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=730658)thread has just been moved to spam because it was created purely to prove a point and therefore isnt a legitimate thread.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm with Ryan on this all the way.

Tom, why are you so bothered about something that has gone on on this forum for years and help keep the forum active? i'm not that keen on 'post your' threads myself because they're just not in my interest, but I do understand that many people on this forum who prefer topics such as music do like posting what they're listening to and viewing what others are listening to - at the same time they also like having their post count upped, as do most of us. So here's an idea, if you don't like it - then don't read it.

In the same way that I find Spam mostly boring and often don't read the discussions there.


As for the one person who's very active in that thread Ryan, you may have shot yourself in the foot there - about 20% of her posts are from that thread alone, which as far as I'm aware is a pretty sizeable chunk to be getting from not actually talking to anyone

Why does it matter where she got her post count from? provided she's not double posted/had it jacked up then I don't see the problem.

[FlyingJesus]

I haven't read all of the pages but if there's no discussion in the music one do you agree that there is no discussion is any other "Post Your" thread then?

As far as I'm aware, although apparently there is some discussion in the technology ones. I'd have thought that having literally hundreds of posts go by without anyone actually replying to each other would make it fairly apparent


Tom, why are you so bothered about something that has gone on on this forum for years and help keep the forum active? i'm not that keen on 'post your' threads myself because they're just not in my interest, but I do understand that many people on this forum who prefer topics such as music do like posting what they're listening to and viewing what others are listening to - at the same time they also like having their post count upped, as do most of us.

I'd like to have my post count upped by posting what I'm looking at or my current thoughts on mayonnaise, doesn't mean it's justified and should happen. I haven't ever said that the thread ought not to be allowed, and I've posted a very easy way in which post count could be taken out of it without changing anything else, so it's not like I'm trying to take away anyone's ability to post one line responses to a title


So here's an idea, if you don't like it - then don't read it.

In the same way that I find Spam mostly boring and often don't read the discussions there.

If you don't like news about what the EU's up to don't read it. That really is not a solution to anything

[Stephen]

I'm with Ryan on this all the way.

Tom, why are you so bothered about something that has gone on on this forum for years and help keep the forum active? i'm not that keen on 'post your' threads myself because they're just not in my interest, but I do understand that many people on this forum who prefer topics such as music do like posting what they're listening to and viewing what others are listening to - at the same time they also like having their post count upped, as do most of us. So here's an idea, if you don't like it - then don't read it.

In the same way that I find Spam mostly boring and often don't read the discussions there.



Why does it matter where she got her post count from? provided she's not double posted/had it jacked up then I don't see the problem.

I see it as a way to spam without breaking the rules

Post count shouldn't rise in that thread and anyone who says otherwise can taste my fist

WALALALALALALALA

that is my war cry

[Chippiewill]

why are you so bothered about something that has gone on on this forum for years
You've made another logical fallacy here (You seriously have a problem). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition .. Point is moot.


and help keep the forum active?
Allowing random stuff like "dgfjksdgjsdjkgjksdgnkjds" everywhere would help keep the forum active, doesn't make it beneficial.


i'm not that keen on 'post your' threads myself because they're just not in my interest, but I do understand that many people on this forum who prefer topics such as music do like posting what they're listening to and viewing what others are listening toPeople can make threads about current artists or songs and why they like them. In fact I'd be fine if people talked about the song and why it's good or about that good guitar bit in the song, but "$artist - $song" is not promoting active discussion, which is what IS missing from this forum and IS why this forum is dying. Also if Catzsy's case of being physically possible to listen to then I'll set up a script to automated posting in that thread from what I've listened to on last.fm. That is if one post every three minutes or 480 posts every 24 hours is SERIOUSLY acceptable then fine, this forum really has gone to the dogs.


Why does it matter where she got her post count from? provided she's not double posted/had it jacked up then I don't see the problem.Posting in PWYLT is jacking it up.


I haven't read all of the pages but if there's no discussion in the music one do you agree that there is no discussion is any other "Post Your" thread then?
Crucial difference is some others DO have active discussion.

[GommeInc]

As for the one person who's very active in that thread Ryan, you may have shot yourself in the foot there - about 20% of her posts are from that thread alone, which as far as I'm aware is a pretty sizeable chunk to be getting from not actually talking to anyone
20% of 2,000 posts? 400 posts - that's not a lot to match up to the Ranking System :P She's VIP too so posts do not mean anything to her. I don't think posts have meant anything for years on this forum VIP or not :P Besides, is she not expressing her like for music? One key use of a forum is to express yourself and she clearly likes her music, and she doesn't appear to be spamming the thread with her posts.

Most "Post Your..." threads do not have a point to them. They're literally there to post one line replies - discussion is quite rare, so the Post Your Desktop Background and Setup Threads are useless as far as discussion goes, and they rarely have any discussions and I'm sure the intentions of the users in those threads is to just post what their background is - they're not actively seeking a point of discussion.


That is if one post every three minutes or 480 posts every 24 hours is SERIOUSLY acceptable then fine, this forum really has gone to the dogs.
Bit of an exaggeration, is it not? The way people are acting, you'd of thought the thread was being spammed with double posts and excessive activity, but there does not appear to be much (if any) evidence of this.

[Stephen]

marvin - 713 - 1825
wahey - 627 - 1643
Keri?! - 402 - 1219
Biuscuitss - 378 - 2020
Jammazzz - 51 - 117

got boredddd

think some of these are more than 20% even though a few of them dont come on anymore but still

[Chippiewill]

How'd you work those out?

[Eoin247]

Biuscutss is the only one in that list that actualy uses the forum anymore, and that's under 20%

[Chippiewill]

Biuscutss is the only one in that list that actualy uses the forum anymore, and that's under 20%
18.7% is hardly far off from 20%

Edit: Also makes up for 18.75% of posts for the last two pages. Spam much :rolleyes:

[Stephen]

Biuscutss is the only one in that list that actualy uses the forum anymore, and that's under 20%

Does it matter who is active though? Still shows that even when they were active a big chunk of their posts were from that thread

[Eoin247]

Yeah i suppose a few percents isn't much of a difference, that said it's only nearly 20% for one current user of the forum as far as i can see.

[Chippiewill]

Does it matter who is active though? Still shows that even when they were active a big chunk of their posts were from that threadHow do you generate those numbers exactly?

[Stephen]

Top thread posters

[Chippiewill]

Where is this feature? I've never seen it.

[Eoin247]

Same as chipphie ^^^^^^^^^^^^, i've never heard about it

[Stephen]

click the number next to Replies:

also combine marvin's posts in both waylt threads and it goes up to 872

[Chippiewill]

Where's that I don't see a "Replies:" anywhere?

[Stephen]

http://i.imgur.com/ugK7Z.png

[Eoin247]

I found it, it's on the actual thread name before "entering the thread"

:Edit - just saw stepens pic after posting, now i look a bit silly :L

[Chippiewill]

I NEVER knew that was there. I will forever cherish this feature. TYVM for showing me.

Edit: Fun fact, 1/8 of Jord's posts are in one of the two PWYLT threads...

Edit2: 1/6 of Rixion's

[Stephen]

wait that's wrong I mean

jesus would of taken like a year longer to get forum god if the threads didn't count posts

[Chippiewill]

These are significant amounts of posts here..

I'm willing to come to a compromise on this personally. I suggest a six week period during which moderators and the more influential members of the forum when posting in these sorts of threads try to create discussion. So when they post what they're listening to they also try replying and commenting on what other people are listening to. This I believe would be very effective as I have observed that when two people converse in PWYLT other people start to converse also. If people actively tried for a bit to do this I reckon that the thread could even stay in this way long term.

[Catzsy]

These are significant amounts of posts here..

I'm willing to come to a compromise on this personally. I suggest a six week period during which moderators and the more influential members of the forum when posting in these sorts of threads try to create discussion. So when they post what they're listening to they also try replying and commenting on what other people are listening to. This I believe would be very effective as I have observed that when two people converse in PWYLT other people start to converse also. If people actively tried for a bit to do this I reckon that the thread could even stay in this way long term.

1. It is up to the management whether they decide to remove this thread or not not Chippie:P What is the point of trying to promote active discussion in a thread like this - it is for members to post what they are listening too and I for one find it quite interesting to see what people's taste in music is even though I do not participate in the thread.

2. I do not feel it is fair to start singling out members individually, guys, as to what percentage of their post count is etc.

I think Matt summed it up earlier in the thread more members want this thread than don't and if it was removed there would be quite a storm. A sign of it's popularity is that it has never died and is always active.
To get to the crux of the matter which I believe this is all about is the fact it has a post count not the thread itself. The post your desktop thread in Tech is in exactly the same as this thread imo. Tbh I am not bothered about member's desire for a high post count provided it is not sheer spamming. Each to his/her own.

[FlyingJesus]

I don't think anyone's suggesting that the thread is actually removed (at least not any more if it was ever originally the case) nor even moving it to spam/games as the people seemed to think in the early pages of this thread. A suitable change that makes no aesthetic or functional difference other than taking out the post count has been explained fully and would be easily implemented, and frankly I think it's not just lazy but rude that Matt couldn't even be bothered to read 6 pages of feedback to see that this was the case, even if he were then to say "nah cba" it would at least show an interest in his users beyond hanging around HxHD. I'll await the "Christmas is a busy time" and "Matt does X amount of work" replies and I appreciate both of those facts, but taking 5 or 10 minutes to read an active feedback thread isn't all that taxing. I've read through it at least twice just writing this reply.

[Stephen]

1. It is up to the management whether they decide to remove this thread or not not Chippie:P What is the point of trying to promote active discussion in a thread like this - it is for members to post what they are listening too and I for one find it quite interesting to see what people's taste in music is even though I do not participate in the thread.

2. I do not feel it is fair to start singling out members individually, guys, as to what percentage of their post count is etc.

I think Matt summed it up earlier in the thread more members want this thread than don't and if it was removed there would be quite a storm. A sign of it's popularity is that it has never died and is always active.
To get to the crux of the matter which I believe this is all about is the fact it has a post count not the thread itself. The post your desktop thread in Tech is in exactly the same as this thread imo. Tbh I am not bothered about member's desire for a high post count provided it is not sheer spamming. Each to his/her own.

He didnt even say remove the thread in that post let alone demand the thread gets removed so I'm not sure what post you're reading

And a thread where you can post what you're listening to multiple times a day, with no discussion and with a post count... has never.... died???!?!?!!!11 Well blow my horn and call me willy i wonder why that would be

[Eoin247]

Just to clarify. I think they should stay. However i don't think they should be stickied.

[beth]

right i read a few pages back but not all the way as i got bored. i think post count should be removed from all threads regarding anything as 'post your' from now on.

the historic argument doesn't work anymore, when i first came to the forum in 05 i used to post in the what yr listening to thread all the time because i used to look for new bands and people would comment on what yr listening to and this was still the case in 2007, when the music forum was thriving with members such as redstratocas, myself, jordan, clarissa, samsabear, lesbian amy, matt/cocaine it was INTERESTING. now i don't post in the listening thread because to me people only use it to get their post count up. now i don't mean to point users out but biscuitss posts constantly in that thread making no active discussion.

its just a quick way to rank up and it's stupid. it's not the same as it was and it should be sorted.

[xxMATTGxx]

I'm not the only person in the entire management team who needs to reply to this thread for something to be done about it. Changing the thread or any "Post Your" threads so that post count isn't counted seems a bit messy and long way of doing that without a specific plugin being installed.

I don't really see the big problem with the thread, if it's being used then it's being used. I doubt very much you will see anything come from the post count being disabled or the thread being removed, the majority of them won't start making threads around the forum to increase actual discussion. Not that anything isn't going to be done about it but I can have my own opinion on what I think about the thread of course! :P

If you only want action doing to one "Post Your Thread" (What you are listening to) then we are also going to have to come up with a way to manage any future threads that may be made. So to only allow "Post Your" threads if they create a good discussion such as the ones in the technology forums.

In regards of what I said the other post, I read the majority of pages but not every single post into great detail.

So:

1. Leave it as it is and get on with how it has been for the past god knows how long
2. Remove it
3. Put it in a place where post count doesn't rise
4. Unstick it but leave it
5. Other

[Catzsy]

I don't think anyone's suggesting that the thread is actually removed (at least not any more if it was ever originally the case) nor even moving it to spam/games as the people seemed to think in the early pages of this thread. A suitable change that makes no aesthetic or functional difference other than taking out the post count has been explained fully and would be easily implemented, and frankly I think it's not just lazy but rude that Matt couldn't even be bothered to read 6 pages of feedback to see that this was the case, even if he were then to say "nah cba" it would at least show an interest in his users beyond hanging around HxHD. I'll await the "Christmas is a busy time" and "Matt does X amount of work" replies and I appreciate both of those facts, but taking 5 or 10 minutes to read an active feedback thread isn't all that taxing. I've read through it at least twice just writing this reply.


He didnt even say remove the thread in that post let alone demand the thread gets removed so I'm not sure what post you're reading

And a thread where you can post what you're listening to multiple times a day, with no discussion and with a post count... has never.... died???!?!?!!!11 Well blow my horn and call me willy i wonder why that would be

The history of Chippiewill's compulsory ' Post what etc' threads is that he doesn't agree with these historical threads and thinks they should be unstickied and removed.... there has been quite a history of this request during the years which is why I said it. In fact as Matt said it was removed once and there was a uproar about it. It still takes an effort to post what you are actually listening too and I honestly see this is no different to somebody saying 'I agee with Stephen' or 'welcome to the forum'.

[MissAlice]

Don’t you just love feedback; it’s always been one of just a few interesting parts of the forum that I rarely tire of reading. So yes I've read all of the thread.

Post count appears to still be as important as ever and we all know why and yet its quality threads and posts that mainly contribute and encourage the better discussions, just like this thread has done. Personally I don’t have a problem with this said thread, it does no harm but also has no interest to me, and don’t recall ever having posted in the thread.

I do think members should be encouraged to post wherever they choose to, particularly when the forum isn’t as active as management may like, however I do feel that not enough reward is given to the better discussions that are created, the majority of posts in this thread are all good quality, and can’t all win ‘Member of the Month’ for good contribution in feedback. Habbox Management perhaps needs to find another way of rewarding the true dedicated members who consistently contribute, and are not here just to boost their post count.

Maybe it’s time for Management to come up with a solution!

[Stephen]

I know a solution

fire infectious

that always works in my eyes

Edited by Jordan (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not pointless post

[Chippiewill]

BERLIN WALL INCOMING

Catzsy:

The history of Chippiewill's compulsory ' Post what etc' threads is that he doesn't agree with these historical threads and thinks they should be unstickied and removed.... there has been quite a history of this request during the years which is why I said it.

It still takes an effort to post what you are actually listening too and I honestly see this is no different to somebody saying 'I agee with Stephen' or 'welcome to the forum'.My history of the "post your" threads is not that I don't agree with them, I just don't like them being exempt from rule A7, in the past when I've raised this issue Oli's always been around and frankly he sticks his neck in and I have every staff member lapping his heels, hopefully now he's gone I'll get a proper response for this. Historical argument is flawed, if history is the motive then I demand the immediate return of the FS sub-forum.


It still takes an effort to post what you are actually listening too
Yes I guess a fraction of effort is still technically effort, good-job.


I honestly see this is no different to somebody saying 'I agee with Stephen' or 'welcome to the forum'. I raised the issue of the welcome forum post count a while back and it kind of came to a compromise of "We'll actually bother moderating this forum and make sure people don't bump threads from last month' which should have been done in the first place anyway. The "I agree" thing used to be not allowed, and I think I was part of the reason for getting it allowed (But I intended for discretional purposes) because in the technology section, for example, if someone relatively unknown tries to help the person asking might be unsure of whether to trust it so when I reply "I agree" or "Do this" or similar then they can be reassured they can trust it without me having to say the same thing in different words just to avoid being warned for pointless posting.


1. It is up to the management whether they decide to remove this thread or not not Chippie:P
Sorry, the way I wrote that post may have given the impression that after six weeks it had to be removed, I meant after six weeks we re-review the situation.


What is the point of trying to promote active discussion in a thread like this
Why should we promote active discussion for a DISCUSSION forum.. hmmm I DONT KNOW?!?!



- it is for members to post what they are listening too and I for one find it quite interesting to see what people's taste in music is even though I do not participate in the thread.
Here you did not say it would be ruined by discussion, probably because it wouldn't be, so why be against promoting discussion. I think it would help the thread as it would mean that those against "one or two word answer threads" such as myself wouldn't feel guilty posting in there.


2. I do not feel it is fair to start singling out members individually, guys, as to what percentage of their post count is etc. I feel it is an important, but uncomfortable, issue that should be highlighted.


I think Matt summed it up earlier in the thread more members want this thread than don't I don't think Matt actually said that


and if it was removed there would be quite a storm.
That was for removal altogether, not removal of post count or just encouraging active discussion.


A sign of it's popularity is that it has never died and is always active.
Because a stickied, official, easily abusable, lack of discussion thread doesn't die? I guess the concentration camps were popular because they were always active, perhaps we should return them? (Bit of reductio ad hitlerum there..)


To get to the crux of the matter which I believe this is all about is the fact it has a post count not the thread itself. It's the thread, I'm bothered about the thread, if it didn't have post count then it wouldn't be a problem but yes, I'm bothered about the thread which violated rule A7 quite clearly and doesn't promote active discussion.


The post your desktop thread in Tech is in exactly the same as this thread imo.Again not the whole "post your" thing we're talking about here. We're concerned by the lack of discussion. I count many cases of discussion on the latest page of PYD, none on the latest of post what you're listening to. I like looking at desktop images but it's much nicer when there's discussion in the thread.

Matt:

I'm not the only person in the entire management team who needs to reply to this thread for something to be done about it. You're chummy with David and the other AGMS, direct them to read this thread in full - problem sorted.


Changing the thread or any "Post Your" threads so that post count isn't counted seems a bit messy and long way of doing that without a specific plugin being installed. I personally agree that the way of doing this without a plugin for it would be too messy and not worth it which is why active discussion promotion should be sought after as a possible solution. People aren't going to feel hurt by this either.


I don't really see the big problem with the thread, if it's being used then it's being used. The SPAM forum is being used, I guess it's not a problem then (By your logic that is).


I doubt very much you will see anything come from the post count being disabled or the thread being removed, the majority of them won't start making threads around the forum to increase actual discussion. Well, a 200 post count drop to most people is pretty large.


If you only want action doing to one "Post Your Thread" (What you are listening to) then we are also going to have to come up with a way to manage any future threads that may be made. So to only allow "Post Your" threads if they create a good discussion such as the ones in the technology forums. I think a hardline rule on this isn't going to be effective, but a general glance at discussion points per page (Basically number of posts with discussion in them) for the previous 5 pages of a thread is a good way to measure whether the thread is being abused or not.


In regards of what I said the other post, I read the majority of pages but not every single post into great detailInspiration to us as always Matt ;)



So:

1. Leave it as it is and get on with how it has been for the past god knows how long
2. Remove it
3. Put it in a place where post count doesn't rise
4. Unstick it but leave it
5. Other
6. My suggestion that you clearly missed because management hasn't found the 40 posts per page feature which makes reading long threads really easy.

Others:

now i don't post in the listening thread because to me people only use it to get their post count up. now i don't mean to point users out but biscuitss posts constantly in that thread making no active discussion.

its just a quick way to rank up and it's stupid. it's not the same as it was and it should be sorted.
Someone of similar opinion to me of desire to post in the thread. As I said earlier I'd like to post in that thread but I'd feel guilty about it.


Don’t you just love feedback; it’s always been one of just a few interesting parts of the forum that I rarely tire of reading. So yes I've read all of the thread.

[QUOTE=MissAlice;7364539]I do think members should be encouraged to post wherever they choose to, particularly when the forum isn’t as active as management may like, however I do feel that not enough reward is given to the better discussions that are created, the majority of posts in this thread are all good quality, and can’t all win ‘Member of the Month’ for good contribution in feedback. Habbox Management perhaps needs to find another way of rewarding the true dedicated members who consistently contribute, and are not here just to boost their post count.
This is ideally what I'd like, although someone will likely cite the reputation system which is only ever used in spam nowadays and generally floats around a fairly closed group most of the time, just like back in the old days of being able to rep people into a new rep power once a week.


Maybe it’s time for Management to come up with a solution!
I like this thought, because I've never liked the "Remove it" or the "Move it" or the "Remove post count in elaborate way" method all THAT much, even the one I'm suggesting could be improved upon. I'm certain there's a better way.

[FlyingJesus]

I'm not the only person in the entire management team who needs to reply to this thread for something to be done about it. Changing the thread or any "Post Your" threads so that post count isn't counted seems a bit messy and long way of doing that without a specific plugin being installed.

Yeahhhhhhhhhbutno if I've managed to doit in 5 minutes on forums I've worked with beforeI'm sure the tech team with their vastly superior knowledge of forums can do it. The thread itself does not change, it's really not a difficult concept


I don't really see the big problem with the thread, if it's being used then it's being used. I doubt very much you will see anything come from the post count being disabled or the thread being removed, the majority of them won't start making threads around the forum to increase actual discussion. Not that anything isn't going to be done about it but I can have my own opinion on what I think about the thread of course! :P

I can't speak for everyone but personally the only thing I want to see come from this is a stop to non-discussive threads being promoted as a way of gaining post count. Any other changes like possible (but obviously not certain) increase in actual discussion in the Music section would be nice but aren't the real point at this moment


If you only want action doing to one "Post Your Thread" (What you are listening to) then we are also going to have to come up with a way to manage any future threads that may be made. So to only allow "Post Your" threads if they create a good discussion such as the ones in the technology forums.

Is that not the rule anyway? For ALL threads not just "post your" threads


So:

1. Leave it as it is and get on with how it has been for the past god knows how long
2. Remove it
3. Put it in a place where post count doesn't rise
4. Unstick it but leave it
5. Other

Or y'know the very easy and workable idea that I've posted a few times in this thread which does the job of 3 but without it actually going anywhere different. I guess you're terming that under "other" as I'm sure you can't still have not read through the ideas that have been posted

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeahhhhhhhhhbutno if I've managed to doit in 5 minutes on forums I've worked with beforeI'm sure the tech team with their vastly superior knowledge of forums can do it. The thread itself does not change, it's really not a difficult concept



I can't speak for everyone but personally the only thing I want to see come from this is a stop to non-discussive threads being promoted as a way of gaining post count. Any other changes like possible (but obviously not certain) increase in actual discussion in the Music section would be nice but aren't the real point at this moment



Is that not the rule anyway? For ALL threads not just "post your" threads



Or y'know the very easy and workable idea that I've posted a few times in this thread which does the job of 3 but without it actually going anywhere different. I guess you're terming that under "other" as I'm sure you can't still have not read through the ideas that have been posted

I don't fully get what your idea was in terms of moving it so it's in a forum that's hidden but still accessible by the ID or something on the lines of that?

Thread gets moved to a section no one can really see - post count is off
They can see the thread by the ID
It some how appears up in the Music forum?


Is that not the rule anyway? For ALL threads not just "post your" threads

Sort of but If the music one is going to be stopped in terms of post count rising and anything else. Then any future post your threads that may get posted will also have to come under something similar. They either create a discussion more often like the other post your threads and if they don't, then they either go or have post count turned off.



(For my use)
[@]@Sct[/@] , [@]@HotelUser[/@]

[FlyingJesus]

Essentially the "real" thread is moved into a new subforum of music (which you can make unseen but still usableso as not to waste space/look weird)but youleave a "ghost" in the exact same place as the thread currently is so that nothing is changed visually but the actual location of the thread is a subforum without post counts enabled. Just to be on the safe side (in case people do for some reason navigate themselves to the new subforum) it would probably be best to make it so that new threads can't be posted in it but replies can, so that the thread still works for all users.

I've tried looking for examples on other forums but sod's law I can't find any now :P they tend to have the tag MOVED: before the thread title and then it links through to the new location of it

[xxMATTGxx]

Essentially the "real" thread is moved into a new subforum of music (which you can make unseen but still usableso as not to waste space/look weird)but youleave a "ghost" in the exact same place as the thread currently is so that nothing is changed visually but the actual location of the thread is a subforum without post counts enabled. Just to be on the safe side (in case people do for some reason navigate themselves to the new subforum) it would probably be best to make it so that new threads can't be posted in it but replies can, so that the thread still works for all users.

I've tried looking for examples on other forums but sod's law I can't find any now :P they tend to have the tag MOVED: before the thread title and then it links through to the new location of it

I think I understand you better now.

New Sub-forum created (This is hidden from the forum view but people can see if they know URL)
Thread gets moved into that section with a redirect left on the thread so it comes up as "Moved:"
People can then click the thread, will take them to the new area with post count is disabled.

[FlyingJesus]

MOVE WITH REDIRECT THAT'S THE ONE god I'm getting old, memory's going. That comes up with far more examples than searching"ghost thread" lol

But yessssssssss that is correct, much easier to understand when we have the right words I apologise :P

[The Don]

Or we could keep it as it is as no one seems to be abusing the thread and there isn't any need to change it.

[Eoin247]

i agree with [@]@The[/@] Don , although i wouldn't mind it being unstickied.

So its not getting changed or what in the end?

[Chippiewill]

Or we could keep it as it is as no one seems to be abusing the thread and there isn't any need to change it.
Or we should keep it as it is because large chunk of people's post counts are contained in that thread which supplies little to no discussion benefit to the whole forum and primarily serves those who post in that thread with little thought and prevent others from posting in there.