WHats the point in reputation now

[GoldenMerc]

Hi,

Well recently i've noticed a bit of a decrease in people using reputation up untill Christmas when its used constantly. I've noticed all this year no matter what the comment says for a negative rep it seems to be removed, I mean i've -repped Josh! about 2-3 times and every time its been removed even though i've left a good comment on why im negative repping him?
It sort of defeats the object nowdays...
Ross

[Chippiewill]

I too feel I've made similar -reps, being entirely valid and then also removed. Defeats the point.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'd like to see a free-for-all in terms of reputation - that means you can ask for rep and rep anybody for any reason.

How about it?

[Chippiewill]

I'd like to see a free-for-all in terms of reputation - that means you can ask for rep and rep anybody for any reason.

How about it?
I think a change needs making, but probably not one which allows the top ten reputations on the forum to +rep each other for no reason.

[Sharon]

I think a change needs making, but probably not one which allows the top ten reputations on the forum to +rep each other for no reason.

That would be unfair to exclude them?

[GommeInc]

I found staff were removing valid rep so I just assumed it was corruption, is it happening for ordinary members now?

[Stephen]

I've had plenty of legit +reps this year so ur posts must just be rubbish

Dunno about the -reps thing. I remember when oli was fm it was pretty bad also cos he used to go through his own rep like every week and remove any -reps people gave him because he was an abusing little shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhakes ma maracas

[GoldenMerc]

I too feel I've made similar -reps, being entirely valid and then also removed. Defeats the point.


I'd like to see a free-for-all in terms of reputation - that means you can ask for rep and rep anybody for any reason.

How about it?
Would make it hecktic :( wouldnt like


I think a change needs making, but probably not one which allows the top ten reputations on the forum to +rep each other for no reason.


That would be unfair to exclude them?


I found staff were removing valid rep so I just assumed it was corruption, is it happening for ordinary members now?


I've had plenty of legit +reps this year so ur posts must just be rubbish

Dunno about the -reps thing. I remember when oli was fm it was pretty bad also cos he used to go through his own rep like every week and remove any -reps people gave him because he was an abusing little shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhakes ma maracas

[Eoin247]

I agree that -reps get removed far too easily. I admit even, that once or twice i got -reps removed that i know very well shouldn't have been removed.

[beth]

i've had plenty of +rep on posts all year round so yr posts must not be up there ross ;) also i've never see the object of people getting -rep removed, get over it. think people shouldn't be allowed to remove it unless it's outrightedly abusive.

[GoldenMerc]

i've had plenty of +rep on posts all year round so yr posts must not be up there ross ;) also i've never see the object of people getting -rep removed, get over it. think people shouldn't be allowed to remove it unless it's outrightedly abusive.
Agreed, nah iv had lots of rep this year, specially this month. but people seem to get -reps removed so easily...

[IceNineKills]

Rep is nothing to me, I never rep people and they never rep me, I haven't had a +rep or a -rep for about 4-5 months.

[Jin]

It's been a broken system for years anyway.

I think the downfall for the system was when we sold it and offered out loads as prizes.

It holds no relevance to anything, the system is suppose to be a way to gauge the quality of a member and their contribution however it doesn't do that.

Though I would much rather do the following before making it a free for all as suggested:

1) Reset all the scores back to 0 and impose strict rules (though completely impractical).

2) Remove the system entirely.

3) Rename the system to the "Pointless" system and have it called "Pointless Points" and "Point Power" and +/- Points.

However if I did any of these I would be burnt at the stake by 99% of the forum.

[FlyingJesus]

I don't believe negatives or positives ought to be removed EVER no matter how abusive or pointless they appear - the comment can be edited perhaps if it really causes a problem but the key is in the word "reputation", meaning what others think of you. If one person takes a disliking to you then it does bring your overall reputation down, no matter how small an increment it may be by. I also think it ought to take away the full power rather than half when you -rep someone, just because it makes absolutely no sense not to.

[Jin]

What about when people pointless rep each other or revenge rep?

[GoldenMerc]

I guess reputation is sort of popularity so i guess pointless reputation should actually be allowed.

[Inseriousity.]

It's been a broken system for years anyway.

I think the downfall for the system was when we sold it and offered out loads as prizes.

It holds no relevance to anything, the system is suppose to be a way to gauge the quality of a member and their contribution however it doesn't do that.

Though I would much rather do the following before making it a free for all as suggested:

1) Reset all the scores back to 0 and impose strict rules (though completely impractical).

2) Remove the system entirely.

3) Rename the system to the "Pointless" system and have it called "Pointless Points" and "Point Power" and +/- Points.

However if I did any of these I would be burnt at the stake by 99% of the forum.

That's because all 3 are silly and an overreaction to something that isn'ta problem. You're meant to earn reputation so selling it is a no but as you have to win something to get it as a prize you could say you've earned it in that way. It's often said "you'd have to win 3 comps to match my 1 +rep" as if that's a bad thing but it's not. That's the way it should be.

Despitethat, I don't really agree with removing -rep either. Often the only excuse you hear nowadays is 'its a revenge rep'I mean come on, how the hell are you going to be able to check whether that's true or not!

In response to the question in the thread title, the point is that it gives you something to earn. That could be making brilliant posts orgoing through the effort of entering competitions and events with the former naturally being the mostrewarding.It gives people the chance to say 'well done' or 'MERRY CHRISTMAS HERE'S A FREE +REP' but mostly the former. It's all harmless fun that isn'tharming anyoneand when weleave the forum, we won't give a toss about it.

[Chippiewill]

I'd like to point out the rep is still being sold *cough*charity vip*cough*

[FlyingJesus]

What about when people pointless rep each other or revenge rep?

Pointless reputation is still reputation. People not liking Justin Bieber because "he's gay lol" when he's clearly not is pointless but still affects his overall reputation in the real world


Often the only excuse you hear nowadays is 'its a revenge rep'I mean come on, how the hell are you going to be able to check whether that's true or not!

By looking at both of their reps lol, pretty simple. Still, ought not to be removed even if it does have an essence of vengeance

[Jin]

Often the only excuse you hear nowadays is 'its a revenge rep'I mean come on, how the hell are you going to be able to check whether that's true or not!

You look at both reps and see if someone has -repped a person because they -repped them first.


I'd like to point out the rep is still being sold *cough*charity vip*cough*

Already broken may as well cash in on it. :P


Pointless reputation is still reputation. People not liking Justin Bieber because "he's gay lol" when he's clearly not is pointless but still affects his overall reputation in the real world

This annoyingly makes a lot of sense however I just see it leading to a playground like attitude.

[GoldenMerc]

Just head over to ClubHabbo to get ideas on how not to make your forum members behave like :P

[Eoin247]

[@]@iceninekills[/@] , i don't really see you posting much, especially recently so how can you expect to get rep without posting?

[@]@Jin[/@] , Those three suggestions as was previously said are overreactions to a problem that can be fixed a lot easier (I'm not too sure if you were joking about them though) .

[@]@flyingjesus[/@] , i don't agree with it being a full -rep power or fully free, more lenient sure but not totally free for all. A person with a high rep power in your case could just think it's funny to repetedly -rep a new user/ user that doesn't post much just too see them get into the red zone (and you know as well as i do that the kind of people who would do that exist on this forum).

Also to whoever said it, it's not as easy as that to check for revenge reps Jin. If i wanted to revenge rep somebody i would just go around it smartly, wait a few days or more and then find a new post of his/hers that's a goodcandidate . How couldyou prove it's revenge rep then?
I reiterate what i said earlier though, -rep does get removed far too easily. If something needs to be changed it's that.

[Stephen]

[@]@iceninekills[/@] , i don't really see you posting much, especially recently so how can you expect to get rep without posting?

[@]@Jin[/@] , Those three suggestions as was previously said are overreactions to a problem that can be fixed a lot easier (I'm not too sure if you were joking about them though) .

[@]@flyingjesus[/@] , i don't agree with it being a full -rep power or fully free, more lenient sure but not totally free for all. A person with a high rep power in your case could just think it's funny to repetedly -rep a new user/ user that doesn't post much just too see them get into the red zone (and you know as well as i do that the kind of people who would do that exist on this forum).

Also to whoever said it, it's not as easy as that to check for revenge reps Jin. If i wanted to revenge rep somebody i would just go around it smartly, wait a few days or more and then find a new post of his/hers that's a goodcandidate . How couldyou prove it's revenge rep then?
I reiterate what i said earlier though, -rep does get removed far too easily. If something needs to be changed it's that.

**** [@]@Buttons[/@] we've been found out

[Richie]

I just think people can be greedy. For example, someone gets 19 +reps and 1 legit -rep obviously the +reps are most likely going to be greater than the -rep but some people would still prefer to fight their way out of a paper bag. I think -rep gets removed as much as possible to shut people up and to maintain a positive forum. At least 5 or 6 of these threads come up a year, they stop removing -rep for a few months then it happens again. Obviously it's not deliberate.

I am and have always been up for rep to be treated equally. Even up until a while back they were removing pointless +reps i believe. I don't mean to be the grinch but the thread in spam every year for christmas that gives people rep is pointless, hence why it's in spam. Not that I disagree with it, it's nice for people to share some lovin' at christmas but if it's as easy as it is to get a -rep removed it should be the same for +rep to balance things out.

[Inseriousity.]

You look at both reps and see if someone has -repped a person because they -repped them first.

Yeah but that doesn't prove it's a revenge rep. It doesn't prove that the person who -repped the 2nd time -repped said person because they -repped him first. There's no proof of that. It could just be a coincidence. Highly unlikely but still impossible to prove. It could actually be a legitimate -rep that just happens to be from the same person they -repped earlier in the week/month.

The only -rep that I think should be dealt with is the accidental ones. When someone accidently -reps someone even though the comment says '+rep I agree' or whatever. Sounds silly but it does happen, happened to me. Didn't bother changing it but it should be open to change that :)

[GoldenMerc]

Yeah but that doesn't prove it's a revenge rep. It doesn't prove that the person who -repped the 2nd time -repped said person because they -repped him first. There's no proof of that. It could just be a coincidence. Highly unlikely but still impossible to prove. It could actually be a legitimate -rep that just happens to be from the same person they -repped earlier in the week/month.

The only -rep that I think should be dealt with is the accidental ones. When someone accidently -reps someone even though the comment says '+rep I agree' or whatever. Sounds silly but it does happen, happened to me. Didn't bother changing it but it should be open to change that :)

That's actually a really good explanation never thought of that.

[Chippiewill]

I've not agreed with the rep system for a long time and I have provided suggestions in the past.

Ideally I'd remove this idea of a global reputation which is clearly not representative and replace it with a rating for each post, and you do that as many times as you like, no limits. If you want you can have just likes/thanks or you can have a full set of ratings like facepunch.

Pros:
- No "oldies" advantage (This forum REALLY needs to become more accepting of new users, the churn rate hurts this forum a lot)
- No rep "power" which is easily abusable
- A system which is used much more often due to less restrictions on usage
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Cons:
- No representative global statistics, although you could stick some statistics up if you wanted to. I always liked ratings per day which is fairly unbiased but w.e
- Everyone on the forum moans because rep wouldn't exist and the oldies don't like having their epeen chopped off
- Lack of rating limits mean people can negatively rate a single person on all their posts, although it's easy to spot

But as Jin said, the old people who are slowly leaving and will leave this forum as an empty carcass wouldn't like it so we should just take no action and let the forum die.

[GoldenMerc]

But then it sort of doesn't really respect the people who have been using this forum for years....

[FlyingJesus]

[@]@flyingjesus[/@], i don't agree with it being a full -rep power or fully free, more lenient sure but not totally free for all. A person with a high rep power in your case could just think it's funny to repetedly -rep a new user/ user that doesn't post much just too see them get into the red zone (and you know as well as i do that the kind of people who would do that exist on this forum).

Again taking the word reputation literally, those who have higher reputations in the real world do have a bigger impact on those they dislike. Kid on the street says they don't like Person X and it makes very little difference, but someone highly respected says it and Person X takes a far bigger bashing to their reputation.

Also that totallyis funny to do


Yeah but that doesn't prove it's a revenge rep. It doesn't prove that the person who -repped the 2nd time -repped said person because they -repped him first. There's no proof of that. It could just be a coincidence. Highly unlikely but still impossible to prove. It could actually be a legitimate -rep that just happens to be from the same person they -repped earlier in the week/month.

If they've managed to find a post that warrants a -rep and have put a repcomment to thateffectthen it doesn't matter if it's been done as"revenge" rep, it's still got a valid reason

[Chippiewill]

But then it sort of doesn't really respect the people who have been using this forum for years....
The people as I said who are inevitably going to leave but prevent people from replacing them? THOSE people?

[GommeInc]

As FlyingJesus has no doubt said, reputation IS simply reputation, it doesn't need regulation. IF you act like a complete douche then your reputation will reflect it - even the comments. The only time intervention is needed if it becomes completely insensitive or bullying e.g. mocking someone because a loved one has died. If it relates to the post then it should stay, and any editing is purely for aesthetic reasons to remove unfiltered swears (if that is an issue to some).

The same goes for people randomly +repping. They are clearly receiving rep because they are popular, possibly because they have a good reputation with the forum and therefore make enjoyable posts. It's as simple as that.

[GoldenMerc]

So maybe the way to fix all this is to say, no more removing -reps...

[GommeInc]

Any rep really. Sometimes +reps are removed. They used to warn members requesting that any pointless + or - rep maybe removed at the same time, whether you asked or not.

[Catzsy]

So maybe the way to fix all this is to say, no more removing -reps...

I feel that if you know -reps have been removed which unless the person tells you they have you would not know then if you are not happy about it then complain via the complaints system or via pm. At least then you would get a response as to why it was removed. Personally I very, very rarely use -rep. It is easier to reply to the post to get your point across imo.

[buttons]

I feel that if you know -reps have been removed which unless the person tells you they have you would not know then if you are not happy about it then complain via the complaints system or via pm. At least then you would get a response as to why it was removed. Personally I very, very rarely use -rep. It is easier to reply to the post to get your point across imo.
you can see through your reputation given. each time i -repped oli when he was admin i could see it removed that very day on my user cp..



i like rep how it is, i don't like how someone mentioned the 'oldies advantage'. the only people that seperate the oldies from the new are generally the new ones or those that aren't in the 'clique' (which isn't even half as bad as before - there is hardly a clique anymore, people need to move on.). also what people seem to forget is that years ago (probably before the end of 2007) members got quite high rep powers easily even if they weren't well liked because rep power was easier achieved - less rep was required to go up a power which in turn meant that when repping someone their rep would go up easier and you could buy rep then. nowadays it's harder to go up a power so does show your actual forum 'rep'/popularity. when it got changed so that it was harder to go up there was a total uproar and a few people left lol (ie Jazza) so changing it again wouldn't be the best option. i go through periods of getting no rep for a week or 2 then in 1 or 2 days i'll get up to 10 reps - and not from the same people. i think it's used less because there are less people actually using the forum and you have to spread more, not because it's less important.



i'm not gonna lie, i like my rep power because i know that i've earned it, even without the christmas reputation i still get a fair few on top of that and have for the past few years. i only ever rep my 'friends' if they make a good post :S & yeah it's nice that i know i have more reputation than most members and that my power is higher, i do like that but not in a "i'm superior" way or to use it to -rep people but because if people see it they'll (hopefully) understand that maybe i have actually contributed to the forum but meh whatever. i have been active since i started using the forum and have a decent amount of posts - the same as the other people with high reputations. it makes sense. if you post more, get involved more - you gain a better reputation. so yeah chippiewill you're right, i wouln't like my 'epeen' to be removed.


the most pointless rep i hear of is from people with LOWER repuation power (ie new people who generally use habbo;) cough staff cough). also you're lucky cause whenever i'd ask for -rep to be removed when n!ck was manager they would never get removed only my +reps would lol and he removed 100's from people... honestly i don't see what's wrong with the reputation system PLEASE just leave it alone we don't need everything changed >.> soz tired don't make sense only read a few shut up [@]@stephen![/@] i +repped sly when u kept -repping him lol ;l

[Stephen]

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but yeah I agree with buttons

[Catzsy]

you can see through your reputation given. each time i -repped oli when he was admin i could see it removed that very day on my user cp..

I forgot about that even though it is quite a recent innovation. The example you quoted is a bit sad as it is not exactly the end of the world to receive a -rep and I would like to think that it doesn't happen now.




i like rep how it is, i don't like how someone mentioned the 'oldies advantage'. the only people that seperate the oldies from the new are generally the new ones or those that aren't in the 'clique' (which isn't even half as bad as before - there is hardly a clique anymore, people need to move on.). also what people seem to forget is that years ago (probably before the end of 2007) members got quite high rep powers easily even if they weren't well liked because rep power was easier achieved - less rep was required to go up a power which in turn meant that when repping someone their rep would go up easier and you could buy rep then. nowadays it's harder to go up a power so does show your actual forum 'rep'/popularity. when it got changed so that it was harder to go up there was a total uproar and a few people left lol (ie Jazza) so changing it again wouldn't be the best option. i go through periods of getting no rep for a week or 2 then in 1 or 2 days i'll get up to 10 reps - and not from the same people. i think it's used less because there are less people actually using the forum and you have to spread more, not because it's less important.



i'm not gonna lie, i like my rep power because i know that i've earned it, even without the christmas reputation i still get a fair few on top of that and have for the past few years. i only ever rep my 'friends' if they make a good post :S & yeah it's nice that i know i have more reputation than most members and that my power is higher, i do like that but not in a "i'm superior" way or to use it to -rep people but because if people see it they'll (hopefully) understand that maybe i have actually contributed to the forum but meh whatever. i have been active since i started using the forum and have a decent amount of posts - the same as the other people with high reputations. it makes sense. if you post more, get involved more - you gain a better reputation. so yeah chippiewill you're right, i wouln't like my 'epeen' to be removed.


the most pointless rep i hear of is from people with LOWER repuation power (ie new people who generally use habbo;) cough staff cough). also you're lucky cause whenever i'd ask for -rep to be removed when n!ck was manager they would never get removed only my +reps would lol and he removed 100's from people... honestly i don't see what's wrong with the reputation system PLEASE just leave it alone we don't need everything changed >.> soz tired don't make sense only read a few shut up [@]@stephen! i +repped sly when u kept -repping him lol [/@];l

I totally agree. There was an instance of a splurge of pointless repping but NVRSPK4 sorted that I believe by changing the reputation system and basically downgraded and N!ck took his duties way too seriously imo. The points brought up by Ross could be looked into by the management but otherwise as you say nothing needs to be changed. [@]@Stephen[/@] hopefully this is a joke otherwise you have have opened the door wide open for somebody to check your records. You also quoted a spambot! :P

[Stephen!]

Why on earth when everyone types @ Stephen!, the messages go to me? I don't want these.

[Chippiewill]

The system ignores '!' if I remember correctly, people need to be putting tags around them.

[Eoin247]

Reputation needs to be made more lenient but not drastically changed i think. Should be interesting to see what management have to say on this matter.