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-:Undertaker:-
17-01-2012, 01:37 AM
The elephant in the clinic


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Health secretary Andrew Lansley was on the Andrew Marr show today, accusing private clinics which inserted potentially faulty PIP breast implants of "not stepping up to their responsibilities" in removing them.

The egregious Lansley told Marr: "I'm not happy about private providers not stepping up to their responsibilities at all". He adds: "The argument that they somehow can't afford to do so begs the question of where was their insurance, where were they insuring themselves against their liabilities".

However, the health secretary admits that he has no powers to force the clinics to act, stating instead that: "There are clear legal obligations on the providers, as well as a moral obligation for the continuing care to their patients".

But what is completely missing from the discourse is any mention of the "elephant" – the fact that the breast implants carried the EU's CE marking, certifying their safety and performance.

As Booker thus remarks in his column (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/9015342/The-continent-is-the-final-destination-for-HS2.html), the clinics were entitled to rely on the marking and cannot be held liable for defects in their manufacture. The legal (and moral) responsibility lies with the manufacturers and the national authority – in this case the French government.

Such arrangements are not new – they are an intrinsic part of the EU's Single Market, and the best thing Lansley could do is pursue the French government, on behalf of the affected women, for appropriate compensation.

Instead, we learn that the government is continuing to pressure clinics to replace implants free of charge. But we are also in the mad situation that, if a private clinic refuses to do so or no longer exists, the NHS will also pay to remove, but not replace, those implants at public expense - if the woman's GP agrees and there is considered to be clinical need.

This is quite clearly a misuse of public money yet the media cannot bring itself to discuss this issue, or the EU involvement. Although the Mail on Sunday and the Sunday Telegraph carry extensive stories on the implant drama, in common with the rest of the media, they are silent on the "elephant in the clinic".

We are, thus, entering a new dimension in public affairs where the government of the day will wrongly spend public money rather than highlight the EU in an unfavourable context, and the media close their eyes to this abuse.

These are sad and strange times.

Another issue which the government and the media ignore or even cover up the real reason why there are problems with the breast plant fiasco - the EU. This is just the same as so many other issues, from Employment Rights to High Speed Rail, from the Human Rights Act to VAT.. we are not told the truth which is that in reality our government and our parliament have both been reduced by the European Union to the equivalent of a Town Hall simply administering rather than governing.

I do keep telling you all that elections are pointless if you opt to vote for a pro-EU political party (Labour, Conservative or Liberal Democrat) all of which have no intention of removing us from the clutches of the European Union which now makes the majority of our laws ... Oh to be an independent nation once more.

Thoughts?

The Don
17-01-2012, 02:24 AM
I never thought I'd see the day you blamed breast implants gone wrong on the EU. It's as if the EU is the root of all evil in this world...

-:Undertaker:-
17-01-2012, 02:36 AM
I never thought I'd see the day you blamed breast implants gone wrong on the EU. It's as if the EU is the root of all evil in this world...

Next time before you comment, it would be wise to read the article.

But since thats too much effort for you or maybe its the case that you do not understand, the article refers to the on-going legal mess which is the fault of the European Union.

If you'd have read the article which I find rather clear and put just a little thought into it, you will have realised this.

The Don
17-01-2012, 02:47 AM
Next time before you comment, it would be wise to read the article.

But since thats too much effort for you or maybe its the case that you do not understand, the article refers to the on-going legal mess which is the fault of the European Union.

If you'd have read the article which I find rather clear and put just a little thought into it, you will have realised this.

Oh please, get off your high horse...

I was going to read the article after I read your comment, however, as soon as I realised it was another dig at the EU I naturally didn't read it. It's getting extremely boring logging in to see the Current Affairs section clogged up with delusional threads aimed at the EU.

-:Undertaker:-
17-01-2012, 02:48 AM
Oh please, get off your high horse...

I was going to read the article after I read your comment however as soon as I realised it was another dig at the EU I naturally didn't read it. It's getting extremely boring logging in to see the Current Affairs section clogged up with delusional threads aimed at the EU.

Then don't waste my time with stupid comments.

The Don
17-01-2012, 02:49 AM
Then don't waste my time with stupid comments.

Don't waste my time with your paranoid and delusional threads...

-:Undertaker:-
17-01-2012, 02:50 AM
Don't waste my time with your paranoid and delusional threads...

Where is the paranoia and delusion here?

You either read the thread or you didn't.

The Don
17-01-2012, 02:55 AM
Where is the paranoia and delusion here?



Meanwhile, our real leaders and government who make 75% of our laws sit back in Brussels rubbing their hands with glee as the country breaks apart making it easier to absord into a new European superstate

Need I say more?

-:Undertaker:-
17-01-2012, 03:09 AM
Sounds awfully deluded to me, and slightly paranoid too...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_euroregions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da8ZuF2LSGU
http://www.arcmanche.com/en/the-channel-arc/what-is-it/
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2004/05/myth-of-week_23.html
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2004/06/myth-of-week-europe-is-being-reunited.html

Many more links can be provided should you wish, book lists I can also provide on request.


Also see the following; (all of which can be found, and read, on the internet)

- The Laeken Declaration
- The Treaty of Rome
- Jean Monnet
- The Single European Act
- The Maastricht Treaty
- The Spinelli Group
- The Lisbon Treaty

Here's a small selection of quotes i've gathered from reading material/sources and copied up, more will be provided should you request them.


In 1992 the German chancellor Helmut Kohl told us what was coming: 'The European Union Treaty . . . within a few years will lead to the creation of what the founding fathers of modern Europe dreamed of after the war, the United States of Europe.'

Out of the horses mouth.


In 1993 the Commission president Jacques Delors explained: 'We're not just here to make a single market, but a political union.'

Out of the horses mouth.


In 1996 the German president Roman Herzog declared: 'The day of the nation state is over.'

Out of the horses mouth.


In 1999 Romano Prodi, who took over as Commission president from Jacques Santer, gave an excellent description of how the EU had developed over the years: 'The single market was the theme of the eighties' the single currency was the theme of the nineties; we must now face the difficult task of moving towards a single economy, a single political unity.' and we went on to explain where he was headed: 'For the first time since the fall of the Roman Empire, we have the oppertunity to unite Europe.'

Out of the horses mouth.


The head of the Bundesbank, Hans Tietmeyer, said; 'A European currency will lead to member nations transferring their sovereignty over financial and wage policy as well as monetary affairs. It is an illusion to think that states can hold on to their autonomy.'

Out of the horses mouth.


The first president of the European Central Bank (ECB) backed up this view; 'The process of monetary union goes hand in hand, must go hand in hand, with political integration and ultimately political union. EMU (European Monetary Union] is, and always was meant to be, a stepping stone on the way to a United Europe.'

Out of the horses mouth.


And the second head of the ECB, Jean-Claude Trichet, was also explicit about the EU's powers; ' The Council of Ministers will have more power over the budgets of member states than the federal government in the United States has over the budget of Texas.'

Out of the horses mouth.


EU Commission president Romano Prodi again said; 'But what is the Commission? We are here to take binding decisions as an executive power. If you don't like the term government for this, what other term do you suggest?'

Out of the horses mouth.


In case we hadn't got the message still, he said around a month later 'Here in Brussels, a true European government has been born. I have governmental powers, I have executive powers for which there is no other name in the world, whether you like it or not, than government.'

Out of the horses mouth.


A memo written by a senior British civil servant in 1971, but released only 30 years later, reportedly gave an unambiguous insight into the attitudes of our leaders:

'Of course this is the end of British democracy as we have known it, but if it is properly handled the people won't know what's happened until the end of the century. With any luck old boy, by then I'll be dead.'

Out of the horses mouth.


Peter Sissons: The single currency, a United States of Europe, was all that in your mind when you took Britain in?

Edward Heath: Of course, yes.

Out of the horses mouth, of a former British Prime Minister.

-:Undertaker:-
17-01-2012, 04:33 AM
Delusional? I think not.

I await a response, but anywho back to the topic of breast implants..

GommeInc
17-01-2012, 01:01 PM
It is an interesting story as it does seem to be pertruding from a problem with the EU and single market. Tests should of been done, and because of this assumption errors were made. Private Clinics should not rely on weak information from the whoever tested these products, and ask for further evidence to ensure the safety of the people using them. It's pretty ridiculous to assume the NHS should remove/replace the implants, as the responsibility is down to the private clinics AND the idiots who created the implants AND the people who believed these passed safety regulations.

As for blaming the EU, it's hard to say as there is no clear evidence. The fact of the matter is no-one regulated them, and the regulations may of needed to of been done on a local level, rather than EU level (from the country who was exporting and manufacturing them).

Inseriousity.
17-01-2012, 01:26 PM
I was under the impression (although could be wrong as I can't remember where I heard this) that the company, in pursuit of profit, changed the materials used in the implants thatthen made themdangerous. The EU safety marker can't be at fault if the company changes direction after the testing. That'd be like testing if something is organic then once they've passed the test they start adding chemicals. It is the fault of the company for having no moral compass to abide by any ethical consideration for the patients that would use their product. I do not think it's right that the NHS is being expected to pick up the tab when the private clinics involved have a duty of care to their patients. If something goes wrong with the procedure that is not the patient's fault, they should pay for removal or replacement.

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