i don't get it

[buttons]

why can we use ffs and lmfao etc but not fu? i can see how it's insulting/rude but why does this avoid the filter but the other two don't? :)

not saying we should allow swearing, i completely disagree with that but can you clarify what we can actually say? can i say idgaf (i don't give a ****) - it's not rude or insulting but it 'avoids the filter'. it's not clear in the rules at all, it says no abbreviations but there are clearly some exceptions such as the first two examples which we fought for before. :S


oh and i got told off for saying FUUUn. it doesnt avoid the filter. it says fun with an abbreviation for a swear word that isn't even offensive. it's like you just decide when to use the rule, surely it should only be used when its actually avoiding the filter or being rude..........

edit; oh yeah, i never get told off for saying jfc (jesus ******* christ)

[Martin]

In the FAQ it does state some of the exceptions: http://www.habboxforum.com/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item2#faq_new_faq_item_swearin gandfilter

It has also recently been suggested to Forum Management that this list is updated and tweaked so that all abbreviations which are allowed are placed onto the list. So hopefully this will be done soon. This will then prevent any confusion. The abbreviation you are questioning however is clearly under the not allowed part.

Things such as omfg and idgaf. are allowed and these do need to be put onto the list.


I think the only exceptions to these should be ones which can be used as a way of insulting people.

[The Don]

Also I've been given an infraction (don't want to discuss that, want to keep this thread on topic so it isn't moved to complaints) for posting a filtered word even though I placed it in a spoiler and gave a clear warning...the language was apparently inappropriate, but as the rules state, if you spoiler the image/video which contains the swearing and also give a warning, it's allowed, and I assume this is also the reason stephen got banned. It makes no sense, why allow it in some cases, but not in others?

[Inseriousity.]

The last sentence of Martin's post basically. I imagine it was more the context of the post rather than the content (trying to find loopholes to the rule) that action was taken, using the FUUUUUUUUUnnnn example

[The Don]

The last sentence of Martin's post basically. I imagine it was more the context of the post rather than the content (trying to find loopholes to the rule) that action was taken, using the FUUUUUUUUUnnnn example

but the rules state that as long as a clear warning has been given and there isn't any explicit material (18+) then you are allowed to avoid the filter....

[FlyingJesus]

FU is directly and solely used personally - unless you're addressing an inanimate object (such as Tara in bed) then it's always an insult, whereas jfc, idgaf and all that can be used objectively about situations

[Chris]

why can we use ffs and lmfao etc but not fu? i can see how it's insulting/rude but why does this avoid the filter but the other two don't? :)

not saying we should allow swearing, i completely disagree with that but can you clarify what we can actually say? can i say idgaf (i don't give a ****) - it's not rude or insulting but it 'avoids the filter'. it's not clear in the rules at all, it says no abbreviations but there are clearly some exceptions such as the first two examples which we fought for before. :S


oh and i got told off for saying FUUUn. it doesnt avoid the filter. it says fun with an abbreviation for a swear word that isn't even offensive. it's like you just decide when to use the rule, surely it should only be used when its actually avoiding the filter or being rude..........

edit; oh yeah, i never get told off for saying jfc (jesus ******* christ)

As martin said above, the faqs lists a few exceptions to this rule, however not all are listed e.g. Omfg and idgaf which are allowed too. :)

I guess the reason they were allowed in the first place is because they are used so much by so many forum members and because they don't directly avoid the filter in a way that can be used to insult someone.


Also I've been given an infraction (don't want to discuss that, want to keep this thread on topic so it isn't moved to complaints) for posting a filtered word even though I placed it in a spoiler and gave a clear warning...the language was apparently inappropriate, but as the rules state, if you spoiler the image/video which contains the swearing and also give a warning, it's allowed, and I assume this is also the reason stephen got banned. It makes no sense, why allow it in some cases, but not in others?

Surely by now you know the rules and are mature enough not to try and be clever as to come up with a reason like this? If filter avoidance was allowed like this then the whole forum would be doing it which certainly wouldn't be a good look for a forum which caters for young members and supports a online game aimed at young teenagers.


FU is directly and solely used personally - unless you're addressing an inanimate object (such as Tara in bed) then it's always an insult, whereas jfc, idgaf and all that can be used objectively about situations

Basically this!

[The Don]

FU is directly and solely used personally - unless you're addressing an inanimate object (such as Tara in bed) then it's always an insult, whereas jfc, idgaf and all that can be used objectively about situations

The context I used it in was "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu......" as in "fuuuuuuuuuuuuc*" as in “I can't believe that's just happened" not in an insulting way, nor as an abbreviation for the words “**** you”




Surely by now you know the rules and are mature enough not to try and be clever as to come up with a reason like this? If filter avoidance was allowed like this then the whole forum would be doing it which certainly wouldn't be a good look for a forum which caters for young members and supports a online game aimed at young teenagers.


In that case, the current rules need to be updated as we can't rely on "you should know by now...." which is a rather weak reason to justify issuing infractions to a post which hasn't actually broke a single rules. Or can moderators infract anyone regardless if their post breaks a rule, if they can justify it with the reason “you are mature enough to know by now…”

[buttons]

YEAH i know this i was trying to make a point but i can't remember what LOLOL
anyway it's a bit silly to have "avoiding filter" if you are actually allowed to avoid the filter. it would make more sense to infract for "being rude/insulting" for words such as 'fu' instead of avoiding filter if that's the case

[The Don]

YEAH i know this i was trying to make a point but i can't remember what LOLOL
anyway it's a bit silly to have "avoiding filter" if you are actually allowed to avoid the filter. it would make more sense to infract for "being rude/insulting" for words such as 'fu' instead of avoiding filter if that's the case

Yeh but the 'FU' in the spoiler wasn't directed at anyone either so it wasn't really being rude :P

[Inseriousity.]

Yeh but the 'FU' in the spoiler wasn't directed at anyone either so it wasn't really being rude :P

It's the context that's important. The context of FU in terms of insulting someone isn't right. Putting something avoiding the filter in a spoiler with warningisn't against the rules (unless its directed at someone). Putting something avoiding the filter in a spoiler with warning because it's a loophole is.Your post clearly showed it was placed in a spoiler to get around the ruleandothers joined in with you hence the warnings.

[Chris]

In that case, the current rules need to be updated as we can't rely on "you should know by now...." which is a rather weak reason to justify issuing infractions to a post which hasn't actually broke a single rules. Or can moderators infract anyone regardless if their post breaks a rule, if they can justify it with the reason “you are mature enough to know by now…”

No the rules are fine, although A3 could possibly be tweaked if its going to cause this much fuss. Rule A2 is for inappropriate content which does not include filter avoidance and is purely for inappropriate comments, videos or images. As you can see there is an entirely separate rule for filter avoidance which clearly states that no filter avoidance is allowed including abbreviations (Which isn't entirely true because some abbreviations are allowed so this could be tweaked).


YEAH i know this i was trying to make a point but i can't remember what LOLOL
anyway it's a bit silly to have "avoiding filter" if you are actually allowed to avoid the filter. it would make more sense to infract for "being rude/insulting" for words such as 'fu' instead of avoiding filter if that's the case

When in the spam forums there is a lot of banter which normally involves filtered words. As these words are filtered and the comments which are made are usually said in jest it doesn't really matter and we allow it. However, as some abbreviations are un filtered, they can be used for the same purpose in jest but actually do avoid the filter.

I really confused myself with that, so apologies if it doesn't make a lot of sense.


Yeh but the 'FU' in the spoiler wasn't directed at anyone either so it wasn't really being rude :P

Actually it was originally directed at someone, although in jest. The point is, the abbreviation avoided the filter and that is why it was removed, not because it was directed at anyone.

[The Don]

It's the context that's important. The context of FU in terms of insulting someone isn't right. Putting something avoiding the filter in a spoiler with warningisn't against the rules. Putting something avoiding the filter in a spoiler with warning because it's a loophole is.Your post clearly showed it was placed in a spoiler to get around the ruleandothers joined in with you hence the warnings.

Yes but there isn't a rule against that? One rule states that you can avoid the filter, the other states you can't (A2 and A3) so there is a rule supporting my argument as well as supporting yours. If you’re allowed to post forbidden content (in a spoiler) then it’s irrelevant whether you’ve done it to avoid the filter or not as you are allowed to post it if you give a clear warning (so it isn’t actually avoiding the filter since the rules state you can, it’s only avoiding the filter if you don’t give a clear warning and place it in a spoiler)




Actually it was originally directed at someone, although in jest. The point is, the abbreviation avoided the filter and that is why it was removed, not because it was directed at anyone.

I made the original comment; I know that I didn't direct it at anyone... I posted "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu......." the dots filtering the words c and k, so either way, I did avoid the filter, but I didn't post FU (meaning **** you)

[Inseriousity.]

No, context is relevant. By avoiding the filter by using a loophole, you are in essence avoiding the filter unless it was done legitimately which you know it wasn't cos your post clearly refered to it as avoiding rules by using loopholes.

[The Don]

No, context is relevant. By avoiding the filter by using a loophole, you are in essence avoiding the filter unless it was done legitimately which you know it wasn't cos your post clearly refered to it as avoiding rules by using loopholes.

But rule a2 states that filtered content can be posted as long as you give a clear warning and place it in a spoiler. (This argument can go in circles forever) I'm not that fussed over this, just add to rule a2 something such as "*Although filtered content can be posted if a clear warning and spoilers have been used, posting said content for the sheer purpose of avoiding the filter is still against the rules, see A3" or something

[Martin]

But rule a2 states that filtered content can be posted as long as you give a clear warning and place it in a spoiler. (This argument can go in circles forever) I'm not that fussed over this, just add to rule a2 something such as "*Although filtered content can be posted if a clear warning and spoilers have been used, posting said content for the sheer purpose of avoiding the filter is still against the rules, see A3" or something

There is a difference between 'Midly inappropriate content' as stated in rule A2, and avoiding the filter (which is not mentioned until rule A3.) Rule A2 does not say anything about filtered content as far as I can see. Either way as the rule states its down to moderators discretion and you avoided the filter deliberately whilst knowing you were doing it to get around the rules and so obviously we are not going to allow this.

[Adam]

I don't know.



Edited by Catzsy (Forum Super Moderator) : Please don't make pointless posts

[Chris]

You're exploiting very minor flaws in the rules to try and be clever when we both know that you cant avoid the filter by putting it in the spoilers and anyone else who reads the rules will figure that out too. I'm sure sct and brandon will be happy to add these tweaks to the rules though if it puts a stop to these disputes.

[The Don]

There is a difference between 'Midly inappropriate content' as stated in rule A2, and avoiding the filter (which is not mentioned until rule A3.) Rule A2 does not say anything about filtered content as far as I can see. Either way as the rule states its down to moderators discretion and you avoided the filter deliberately whilst knowing you were doing it to get around the rules and so obviously we are not going to allow this.

Moderators Discretion shows the weakness in the moderator’s argument as they can't justify their reason, which for habbox, doesn't look very professional. Mildly inappropriate content, which is why songs which contain the F word are allowed to be posted (the f words filtered, isn't it?) which is why FU is allowed to be posted under this rule. The only reason you are punishing me for using it is because I clearly stated I had found a loophole, which it is. Rule a3 says you can't avoid the filter but a2 says you can post inappropriate content (a.k.a avoiding the filter) which is why the rules need to be modified.

[Eoin247]

I actualy think that as long as it's put in a spoiler with an obvious and clear warning , pretty much near anything should be allowed in it. I really don't see a reason that this cannot be the case. So with regards to the spoilers i agree with the don.

[Inseriousity.]

Well using loopholes to avoid any rule is wrong really. It goes without saying. Although I think it's covered here:

"The Moderators and Administrators have the right to use their discretion in regard to the rules when executing punishments as a result of rule violation."

[The Don]

Well using loopholes to avoid any rule is wrong really. It goes without saying. Although I think it's covered here:

"The Moderators and Administrators have the right to use their discretion in regard to the rules when executing punishments as a result of rule violation."

i'll direct you to this...


Moderators Discretion shows the weakness in the moderator’s argument as they can't justify their reason, which for habbox, doesn't look very professional. Mildly inappropriate content, which is why songs which contain the F word are allowed to be posted (the f words filtered, isn't it?) which is why FU is allowed to be posted under this rule. The only reason you are punishing me for using it is because I clearly stated I had found a loophole, which it is. Rule a3 says you can't avoid the filter but a2 says you can post inappropriate content (a.k.a avoiding the filter) which is why the rules need to be modified.

Why not just change the rule like i've suggested...?

[Chris]

Moderators Discretion shows the weakness in the moderator’s argument as they can't justify their reason, which for habbox, doesn't look very professional. Mildly inappropriate content, which is why songs which contain the F word are allowed to be posted (the f words filtered, isn't it?) which is why FU is allowed to be posted under this rule. The only reason you are punishing me for using it is because I clearly stated I had found a loophole, which it is. Rule a3 says you can't avoid the filter but a2 says you can post inappropriate content (a.k.a avoiding the filter) which is why the rules need to be modified.

This does not include written filter avoidance. It only applies to videos and images and this has always been the case which you very well know.

[The Don]

This does not include written filter avoidance. It only applies to videos and images and this has always been the case which you very well know.

and what I posted was an image, stephen may have wrote it, but I didn't...

[Inseriousity.]

But we have justified our reasoning so your comment makes no sense. There is no need to add amendments every time someone finds a loophole. It is already covered in the rules that it isn't allowed via moderation discretion. It's not really a frequent occurance for it to really need to be added.

[The Don]

But we have justified our reasoning so your comment makes no sense. There is no need to add amendments every time someone finds a loophole. It is already covered in the rules that it isn't allowed via moderation discretion. It's not really a frequent occurance for it to really need to be added.

but as you've stated, this is a loophole and it seems just lazy to not edit the rule...

[Chris]

and what I posted was an image, stephen may have wrote it, but I didn't...

But in this case you deliberately did it just to bend the rules and as mike said, find a loophole. We have justified our reasons but its up to you if you accept it or not. At the end of the day it wont make any difference what you say, you broke the rules, you tried to be smart and because you got punished for it you decided to pick out the small flaws.


but as you've stated, this is a loophole and it seems just lazy to not edit the rule...

No it isn't lazy at all. It just takes some common sense which I know you have.

[Jordan]

Content that isn't produced by you, so images and videos that contain mildly inappropriate content or minor filter avoidances are absolutely fine as long as a warning is shown with a spoiler. By actually writing the word or abbreviation, you are actually doing it yourself which is against the rules. Only abbreviations that are not directed at people like omfg or wtf is fine, but the word FU is not. I wouldn't say it's a loop hole as it does make sense.

[The Don]

But in this case you deliberately did it just to bend the rules and as mike said, find a loophole. We have justified our reasons but its up to you if you accept it or not. At the end of the day it wont make any difference what you say, you broke the rules, you tried to be smart and because you got punished for it you decided to pick out the small flaws.

but i didn't actually break a rule ;) anyway, this debates boring, don't be lazy and change the rules, there's no reason not to...

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Content that isn't produced by you, so images and videos that contain mildly inappropriate content or minor filter avoidances are absolutely fine as long as a warning is shown with a spoiler. By actually writing the word or abbreviation, you are actually doing it yourself which is against the rules. Only abbreviations that are not directed at people like omfg or wtf is fine, but the word FU is not. I wouldn't say it's a loop hole as it does make sense.

I posted this...

http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/450/fu1_450.jpeg

[Jordan]

but i didn't actually break a rule ;) anyway, this debates boring, don't be lazy and change the rules, there's no reason not to...

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I posted this...

http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/450/fu1_450.jpeg

I don't want to go into detail with it, but the post you posted this image in has content which basically said you knew about these rules and carried on with the post. It was completely fair.

To be honest, I did have this conversation with Rosie a few weeks ago and understood thereasoningbut I do believe that the rules need to be made more clearer.

[Chris]

but i didn't actually break a rule ;) anyway, this debates boring, don't be lazy and change the rules, there's no reason not to...

Yes you did, and because you didn't like the consequences you came here and complained about it by pointing out flaws which make no difference to how the rules work.


I posted this...

http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant2/imgs/450/fu1_450.jpeg

Allowed in normal circumstances but I'm not sure why you post this anyway as it would obviously be aimed at someone. This was removed tonight because you deliberately tried to bend the rules.

[Inseriousity.]

Content that isn't produced by you, so images and videos that contain mildly inappropriate content or minor filter avoidances are absolutely fine as long as a warning is shown with a spoiler. By actually writing the word or abbreviation, you are actually doing it yourself which is against the rules. Only abbreviations that are not directed at people like omfg or wtf is fine, but the word FU is not. I wouldn't say it's a loop hole as it does make sense.

It is a loophole if you've already posted it once, got warned for it and then posted it againin a spoiler with the clear intention to break the rules and try and get away with it. :)

[The Don]

Yes you did, and because you didn't like the consequences you came here and complained about it by pointing out flaws which make no difference to how the rules work.



Allowed in normal circumstances but I'm not sure why you post this anyway as it would obviously be aimed at someone. This was removed tonight because you deliberately tried to bend the rules.

It wasn't aimed at anyone, it was funny because you kept getting frustrated over it, when I first posted it, I didn't post it with the intention of saying **** you to somebody, in fact that was never the context I had in mind, the same sentence can have different meaning. There isn't a rule that states you can't use a loophole, there's only one which says you can't avoid the filter, which, is allowed if you follow rule a2. I gave a clear warning stating that the image contained rude language and also placed it in a spoiler, thus making it suitable according to rule a2...

[Chris]

It wasn't aimed at anyone, it was funny because you kept getting frustrated over it, when I first posted it, I didn't post it with the intention of saying **** you to somebody, in fact that was never the context I had in mind, the same sentence can have different meaning. There isn't a rule that states you can't use a loophole, there's only one which says you can't avoid the filter, which, is allowed if you follow rule a2. I gave a clear warning stating that the image contained rude language and also placed it in a spoiler, thus making it suitable according to rule a2...

I will repeat myself for a third time. Under the circumstances of the events, the image you posted was deliberately used to avoid the filter and to continue in breaking the rules, hence it was removed.

[The Don]

I will repeat myself for a third time. Under the circumstances of the events, the image you posted was deliberately used to avoid the filter and to continue in breaking the rules, hence it was removed.

Ok, I obviously can't get through to you, again, there's a flaw in your argument as rule a2 says you can post mildly inappropriate content (regardless whether it avoids the filter) which means the two rules counteract each other. Why not just modify the rule?!

[FlyingJesus]

Going by your logic Akeam I could quote someone and post a picture that has someone saying all sorts of abusive things, and as long as it's in a spoiler that's fine and not aimed at anyone as long as I say it's not

"Mildly inappropriate content" does not stretch to abusing other members

[GommeInc]

I don't cry when someone says FU over the internet, directly at me or others. Only deal with an insult when it is insulting - we're not 5 and been let loose on the internet for the first time. Abbreviations aren't insulting, they do a pee poor job at doing so.

[Martin]

Ok, I obviously can't get through to you, again, there's a flaw in your argument as rule a2 says you can post mildly inappropriate content (regardless whether it avoids the filter) which means the two rules counteract each other. Why not just modify the rule?!



There is also this part added onto the end which makes the decision justified. "The final decision on what is or is not inappropriate is at the Moderator's discretion."

In the circumstances you posted there was a lot of filter avoiding going on and so it was completely inappropriate and unjustified for you to post such content, there was no need for it basically. You deliberately tried to avoid the rules otherwise there would be no reason for you to post it other than trying to promote further rulebreaking within the threads. What other reason would you possibly have for posting that image lets be honest.

I fail to see where it mentions anything about the filter in rule A2 so you are adding that bit yourself in your head. To a lot of people it may be seen as offensive and not mildly inappropriate at all. In the circumstances of the way you did it it was NOT appropriate so not even rule A2 cant save you. Rule A3 is the actual rule you have broken and is the one you need to be looking at for future reference.


The rules are fine as they are really and the only one which perhaps needs tweaking would be the filter rule itself to include all of the abbreviations which are allowed which I believe was the main issue wanting to be addressed in this thread rather than you disputing something which Im sure the forum manager will clear up for you in the reported infractions thread.

[GommeInc]

The rules are fine as they are really and the only one which perhaps needs tweaking would be the filter rule itself to include all of the abbreviations which are allowed which I believe was the main issue wanting to be addressed in this thread rather than you disputing something which Im sure the forum manager will clear up for you in the reported infractions thread.
Good luck making that list, no-one has that much time to list billions of possible abbreviations that can be used. You'll be better off allowing all abbreviations and punishing in terms of context used or just listing FU as the only abbreviation you must not use, as it seems to be the only "insulting" abbreviation.

[Chris]

Ok, I obviously can't get through to you, again, there's a flaw in your argument as rule a2 says you can post mildly inappropriate content (regardless whether it avoids the filter) which means the two rules counteract each other. Why not just modify the rule?!

Because the rules aren't going to change every time someone complains. If it makes sense for them to be changed then I'm sure they would be, but Scott has told me that its unlikely that they'll be changed over something as minor as this. If the events of tonight didn't happen then the image would have been allowed so long as it wasn't aimed at another member in a serious way.

At the end of the day though, rules like this come down to the moderators discretion, so as much as you or anyone else dislike that fact, I very much doubt it's going to change.


Going by your logic Akeam I could quote someone and post a picture that has someone saying all sorts of abusive things, and as long as it's in a spoiler that's fine and not aimed at anyone as long as I say it's not

"Mildly inappropriate content" does not stretch to abusing other members

Exactly.


I don't cry when someone says FU over the internet, directly at me or others. Only deal with an insult when it is insulting - we're not 5 and been let loose on the internet for the first time. Abbreviations aren't insulting, they do a pee poor job at doing so.

Thats not the point. It may not bother you but habbox is a habbo fansite which unfortunately for some members is aimed at young teens. This means that we have to be very careful what we allow and dont allow on the forum.

[GommeInc]

Thats not the point. It may not bother you but habbox is a habbo fansite which unfortunately for some members is aimed at young teens. This means that we have to be very careful what we allow and dont allow on the forum.
It is the point, it been mentioned dozens of times that it's not allowed because it insults people. Also, have you even seen what young teens care about, or is this some wild assumption?

You're forgetting this is about the abbreviation 'FU'. There is already a better rule in place to cover actual swearing. It's FU at the end of the day, members aren't actually telling others to 'French Connection United Kingdom' you :P

I've seen more mature logic coming from reddit, where FU appears in whimsical comics reflecting on the norms and drama of the internet. These young teens must be easily offended.

[Chris]

It is the point, it been mentioned dozens of times that it's not allowed because it insults people. Also, have you even seen what young teens care about, or is this some wild assumption?

No but as an official fansite it is habbox's job to set a good example to its members.


You're forgetting this is about the abbreviation 'FU'. There is already a better rule in place to cover actual swearing. It's FU at the end of the day, members aren't actually telling others to 'French Connection United Kingdom' you :P

Nonetheless its an abbreviation for a filtered word, and as I said above it is habbox's job to set an example.

[GommeInc]

No but as an official fansite it is habbox's job to set a good example to its members.
Nonetheless its an abbreviation for a filtered word, and as I said above it is habbox's job to set an example.
Official sites mean sod all these days.
Most abbreviations contain some sort of swear word - the fact of the matter is they are not offensive, and never have been and should only be acted on when it's actually being used in an offensive matter. The use in the spam forum was completely harmless. Did you get any reports from members actually upset by the use of the word? I mean actual reports, not ones where some boring member loves reporting non-rule breaks.

[The Don]

Please highlight where I was quoting and being abusive to any other member, no ones 'fu' was aimed at anyone, people were joining in because of how ridiculous it was in the first place that my post got edited and if someone was being abusive its covered by the respect other members and do not be rude rule


Going by your logic Akeam I could quote someone and post a picture that has someone saying all sorts of abusive things, and as long as it's in a spoiler that's fine and not aimed at anyone as long as I say it's not

"Mildly inappropriate content" does not stretch to abusing other members

[Chris]

I'm getting a bit tired of going round in circles when we have given our reasons. Scott has said that nothing is going to change in regards to the rules and we stand by our actions, so its a waste of time to continue this debate as it comes down to moderators discretion in the end anyway.

/end

[The Don]

Ah democracy!
It seems you've replaced hoteluser since his departure, its a bit odd that Scott makes the final decision, shouldn't that be the general managers job?


I'm getting a bit tired of going round in circles when we have given our reasons. Scott has said that nothing is going to change in regards to the rules and we stand by our actions, so its a waste of time to continue this debate as it comes down to moderators discretion in the end anyway.

/end

[xxMATTGxx]

Ah democracy!
It seems you've replaced hoteluser since his departure, its a bit odd that Scott makes the final decision, shouldn't that be the general managers job?

Well technically the Forum Management team deal with the forum and if they wish to change rules then they can do so as the majority of the time I don't have an issue with the changes they wish to do. Now in terms of this rule, Scott has said no changes need to be made and no changes will be made because they don't need to be made. The rules about using such words on the forum is fine.

[Chris]

Ah democracy!
It seems you've replaced hoteluser since his departure, its a bit odd that Scott makes the final decision, shouldn't that be the general managers job?

I have no say over what changes and what doesn't, so no I haven't replaced anyone. If Scott has said no then I don't think anyone has any need to interfere with that decision, unless its vitally important and needs to be changed immediately. Sure you can argue your point but I doubt it will get you very far (Trust me Ive tried and failed many times!).

[GommeInc]

I'm getting a bit tired of going round in circles when we have given our reasons. Scott has said that nothing is going to change in regards to the rules and we stand by our actions, so its a waste of time to continue this debate as it comes down to moderators discretion in the end anyway.

/end
Meh, if you want to further reduce the activity throughout Habbox further then so be it. If you don't keep up with the times you get left behind, which has been happening with Habbox for years now. Also, if you can't take the heat get out of the fire, it's not offensive to use FU and it certainly was not in the context it was used. You've not answered this and have taken the "we're not changing it so there" route.

It wasn't rude or offensive, so whoever deals with infractions/warnings should remove The Don's one. Using the rules for the sake of using the rules is stupid and makes you look robotic.

[xxMATTGxx]

Meh, if you want to further reduce the activity throughout Habbox further then so be it. If you don't keep up with the times you get left behind, which has been happening with Habbox for years now. Also, if you can't take the heat get out of the fire, it's not offensive to use FU and it certainly was not in the context it was used. You've not answered this and have taken the "we're not changing it so there" route.

Because we won't allow people to swear on the forum? We aren't going to allow it. FU = **** you and if users are going to use it against people then that's breaking the rules and I'm sure you don't want to be told to **** off now - It doesn't matter if you don't find it offensive.

In terms of the image The Don used, it's allowed in normal circumstances and doesn't break the rules when using it normally. Although I'm sure he has already but he can use the report the infraction and see what Scott/Brandon/One of the Super Moderator feels about it.

[Chris]

Meh, if you want to further reduce the activity throughout Habbox further then so be it. If you don't keep up with the times you get left behind, which has been happening with Habbox for years now. Also, if you can't take the heat get out of the fire, it's not offensive to use FU and it certainly was not in the context it was used. You've not answered this and have taken the "we're not changing it so there" route.

I don't create the rules, I just work to them. You've got your answer from Scott and Matt who have to do what is best for habbox, which more often than not, is the complete opposite of what the community actually wants. "Fu" is the same as "**** you" and should be dealt with exactly how it was tonight.

[The Don]

Have you not read the whole thread? I didn't use fu as **** you, I used it in the same context as fuarkkkkkk but didn't write the c or k to ironically, avoid any moderator action.... If I were you, I'd tell my moderators to focus on people making threads targeting other users ie, the one this all happened in, that thread targeted another who has sent naked photos which have now been spread. Rather than taking action on this, your moderators focused on a bit of banter between friends. You all need to sort your priorities out otherwise habboxforum will die. Wasn't it last year we were averaging 100 odd listeners on habbox live? the largest amount of users online over a 24 hour period is a joke, just like forum moderation. You need to take action to sort this out as loads of older members are leaving and I don't see the new ones joining and you can't use your usually excuse of the time of year as this low activity has been fairly consistent. And with dave leaving, who the hell is going to replace him? Let's face it, he carried habbox. If you want to destroy habbox, be my guest, but I don't anticipate being here to say I told you so...


Because we won't allow people to swear on the forum? We aren't going to allow it. FU = **** you and if users are going to use it against people then that's breaking the rules and I'm sure you don't want to be told to **** off now - It doesn't matter if you don't find it offensive.

In terms of the image The Don used, it's allowed in normal circumstances and doesn't break the rules when using it normally. Although I'm sure he has already but he can use the report the infraction and see what Scott/Brandon/One of the Super Moderator feels about it.

[GommeInc]

Because we won't allow people to swear on the forum? We aren't going to allow it. FU = **** you and if users are going to use it against people then that's breaking the rules and I'm sure you don't want to be told to **** off now - It doesn't matter if you don't find it offensive.

In terms of the image The Don used, it's allowed in normal circumstances and doesn't break the rules when using it normally. Although I'm sure he has already but he can use the report the infraction and see what Scott/Brandon/One of the Super Moderator feels about it.
No, I don't want to be told to F off, but to be told FU, two harmless letters which fly around a lot on the internet these days, is so harmless. If someone said that you question them, and look down upon them because it doesn't really say anything. So no, your example simply doesn't work and is a clutching at straws method. When I see someone say F.U., I don't think of it written out as full words, because the human mind simply doesn't work like that. You just see it as an abbreviation which could mean someone is disgruntled, mocking around or too lazy to come up with a real insult. You're serving teenagers, not 10 year olds.

Also, again, is it offensive? Was anyone actually offended by it or were they just using a rule for the rules sake? Because the latter has been used far too much on this forum, and you seem to be suggesting this - no-one was offended but we must act because we have a load of text on a page telling us to.

And as The Don said above, he used it in that comic context - FUUUUUUUUUUUUU - which I think comes from someone trying to say the F word, but is either falling off a building hitting the floor before finishing with CK. It is quite a common meme these days, slowly replacing lolcats.

[xxMATTGxx]

Have you not read the whole thread? I didn't use fu as **** you, I used it in the same context as fuarkkkkkk but didn't write the c or k to ironically, avoid any moderator action.... If I were you, I'd tell my moderators to focus on people making threads targeting other users ie, the one this all happened in, that thread targeted another who has sent naked photos which have now been spread. Rather than taking action on this, your moderators focused on a bit of banter between friends. You all need to sort your priorities out otherwise habboxforum will die. Wasn't it last year we were averaging 100 odd listeners on habbox live? the largest amount of users online over a 24 hour period is a joke, just like forum moderation. You need to take action to sort this out as loads of older members are leaving and I don't see the new ones joining and you can't use your usually excuse of the time of year as this low activity has been fairly consistent. And with dave leaving, who the hell is going to replace him? Let's face it, he carried habbox. If you want to destroy habbox, be my guest, but I don't anticipate being here to say I told you so...

I don't think I stated you did. If you didn't use FU in any swearing context then I don't see the problem.

In terms of the naked photos of an under-aged person going around, people complain when we take issues outside of Habbox into our own hands. These pictures have not been posted on the forum and there is no PM's with these pictures in. Now if someone did post these pictures on the forum or send them in a Private Message or a Visitor message then those details will be handed over to the Police. I've said that since day one of me hearing the rumor of the pictures going around, I've contacted the Police about Habbox members in the past and I will do it again if needed.

In regards of the listeners: They weren't at 100 every single week last year and they will not be 100 or over on any Habbo radio station. Radios such as Habbox and other fansites may hit a high amount but it won't stay like that X amount of days.

This rule hasn't changed over the past couple of years and hasn't really big a main concern apart from people wishing they could say all of the words that are currently in the filter. Why would this rule even affect members rates? It's not like it's an important rule that would cause that many problems at all. Now we can try filtering the "FU" word and therefore will prevent people from using it and will also mean no one would get told off from using it apart from legit use.


In regards of:

"And with dave leaving, who the hell is going to replace him? Let's face it, he carried habbox. If you want to destroy habbox, be my guest, but I don't anticipate being here to say I told you so..."

David said no to the changes of the filter and such rules in the past.


No, I don't want to be told to F off, but to be told FU, two harmless letters which fly around a lot on the internet these days, is so harmless. If someone said that you question them, and look down upon them because it doesn't really say anything. So no, your example simply doesn't work and is a clutching at straws method. When I see someone say F.U., I don't think of it written out as full words, because the human mind simply doesn't work like that. You just see it as an abbreviation which could mean someone is disgruntled, mocking around or too lazy to come up with a real insult. You're serving teenagers, not 10 year olds.

Also, again, is it offensive? Was anyone actually offended by it or were they just using a rule for the rules sake? Because the latter has been used far too much on this forum, and you seem to be suggesting this - no-one was offended but we must act because we have a load of text on a page telling us to.

Just because so many people don't find it offensive, doesn't mean we should allow it. You can find all swear words on the internet on many websites. Does that mean we should start allowing them? No it doesn't. The actual rules stated don't need changing. The word "FU" may be discussed and debated and like I said above, could be filtered if people wish it to be like that.

[GommeInc]

Just because so many people don't find it offensive, doesn't mean we should allow it. You can find all swear words on the internet on many websites. Does that mean we should start allowing them? No it doesn't. The actual rules stated don't need changing. The word "FU" may be discussed and debated and like I said above, could be filtered if people wish it to be like that.
It's not a swear word, it's an abbreviation. Understand the argument first before replying :P If people were actually saying "Duck You", then it would be offensive, but using abbreviation loses all credibility as a substitute, it's why all abbreviations bar one were unfiltered a few years ago - and look where we are, a forum that allows for a wider pallette of speech.

Also, if so many people don't find it offensive, who are you protecting? A minority? Loads of people do not like to talk about cancer, should you ban talking about it? I'm sure more people care about talking about cancer, than an abbreviation which makes whoever is using it uncredible.

[Chris]

Have you not read the whole thread? I didn't use fu as **** you, I used it in the same context as fuarkkkkkk but didn't write the c or k to ironically, avoid any moderator action.... If I were you, I'd tell my moderators to focus on people making threads targeting other users ie, the one this all happened in, that thread targeted another who has sent naked photos which have now been spread. Rather than taking action on this, your moderators focused on a bit of banter between friends. You all need to sort your priorities out otherwise habboxforum will die. Wasn't it last year we were averaging 100 odd listeners on habbox live? the largest amount of users online over a 24 hour period is a joke, just like forum moderation. You need to take action to sort this out as loads of older members are leaving and I don't see the new ones joining and you can't use your usually excuse of the time of year as this low activity has been fairly consistent. And with dave leaving, who the hell is going to replace him? Let's face it, he carried habbox. If you want to destroy habbox, be my guest, but I don't anticipate being here to say I told you so...

In regards to the thread that was removed. The thread may have been related to the incident but there were no names mentioned, no images posted and no details given out. There will always be someone who posts to target the members involved but it is always dealt with as an individual issue. If the majority of members who posted in that thread had have given out any details then the thread would have been removed immediately.

[GirlNextDoor15]

The rules have always been confusing to me. I got edited TWICE for saying **** waffles. It wasn't meant to be offensive and let alone rude. They are just blueberries on waffles. So, what's so wrong about that? Like [@]@gommeinc[/@] said, if nobody finds it offensive/rude, then it would be very unfair for moderators to edit the post for the sake of editing and working to the rules. And when we say it's unfair, we got told that this forum has lots of young kids etc. Just face the fact! Most of the active users are 14 or 15+. They know what is what. There's no need in protecting them etc.
p/s I agree with making the rules clearer. it only takes a few minutes to do it. so i don't see why not?

[Richie]

A lot of things really don't make sense in regards to swearing on the forum. I don't understand why you can play one filtered word in a video but if it's the same word being repeated another seven times in a different video it gets removed for excessive swearing, either way you still hear the swearing. Spoilers are pointless DON'T CLICK HERE IT SWEARS really means if you don't want to hear swearing really DON'T CLICK IT, common sense?


How does adding a video outside a spoiler with text above it which states the video contains swearing make any difference? why does it need to be edited into a spoiler, it makes no sense. The only answer we get for that is the video is larger than the text so it's the first thing someone clicks, i don't believe that for a second, perhaps others love to read books with pretty colours and drawings because it attracts their attention but for me i like to read the cover before opening the book.


I don't understand how linking others to genuine songs that contains some amount of swearing is wrong. If someone posts contains swearing and another user clicks that song and it swears that's their problem, they were warned. Another thing that annoys the hell out of me is rap / hip hop music, lets be honest the majority of the best rappers are black males, they say stuff that people assume is racist when it really isn't meant in that context. Can't the media and people that live in the past move on, it started off as racist **** then somebody made it cool andthat'sthat, they don't mean it in a racist way and i feel monitoring videos like that should all be based off the context.


Sorry for hijacking your thread Jen I just thought it'd be pointless to express my opinion in another thread when one has already been sparked about swearing. I agree though Jen oneabbreviationis fine and another which is fairly equal isn't. Thenany timeyou question it you get a reply like "FINE WE WILL REMOVE ALL ABBREVIATIONS THAT CONTAINS SWEARING" just to shut people up, it's just silly.

Everything I have posted is just my opinion, obviously a lot of people willdisagreewith the whole N word in music videos and hey I'm not black so i don't know if people who are black get offended. I'm a fat **** and if someone posts "FAT MAN FALLS OFF CHAIR" or "MAN RANTS ABOUT FAT PEOPLE" i don't start crying (even though it's in a rude context) and yes I really did just compare fat people to black people, I'm so naughty. Everything in regards to swearing inabbreviationor videos needs to be based on the context, if Jen posts in a thread "haha f.u richie" that shouldn't be classed as being rude as she's just joking around. The rules need some tweaking imo but the main problem is every post gets treated the same. "F.U JEN YOU IDIOT I ACTUALLY HATE YOU" and "haha f.u Jen" it doesn't really take a genius to find out which one should be fine and which should be removed.



Stop protecting the users that don't exist and focus on the ones that do. That's my rant complete, what do i know though I'm just a user not an admin.


Have fun arguing,
night,
rich.

[GirlNextDoor15]

if a kid accidentally read rich's post, will he cry lol

[HotelUser]

Before I get into this, I want to mention that I think Tom's summarized the FU situation quite nicely here:

FU is directly and solely used personally - unless you're addressing an inanimate object (such as Tara in bed) then it's always an insult, whereas jfc, idgaf and all that can be used objectively about situations
I was not around when abbreviated variations of swearing became allowed. If I had initially been in the loop about that I would have strongly disagreed with allowing abbreviated swearing such as idgaf, lmfao and so on. However, Habbox at the time did allow users to use such abbreviations. Because abbreviated swearing remains allowed I think the only two really reasonable options here would be to A) completely ban abbreviated swearing across the board (this one probably wont be popular so isn't a great option), or B) Update the allowed abbreviated swearing conventions to include ones such as "FU", so long as it's not used in a context directed at another individual. Based on the logic behind allowing abbreviated swearing in the first place I don't see a problem if individuals said things like, "Maths exam went terrible, FUUUUUUU maths," but it would be a problem if users said things like, "FU John Doe". So long as the foremost was within the rules and the latter prohibited, I don't see the problem.

When I say update the list of allowed abbreviations of swear words, I don't mean allowing users to say things like "f k", "sh t", "b c h" and so on. These are and should remain avoidances of the language filter. I would class "FU" as different because a lot of times when you see "FU" or when people say "FU", they say or think the letter "F" as opposed to the actually derogatory word. I don't know of this is the general consensus surrounding "FU", or just how my mind works.


The rules have always been confusing to me. I got edited TWICE for saying **** waffles.
I unfortunately have to point out that on a Western world internet forum populated with teens, when you say a term including a certain colour of waffle (heck, even when you just say "waffle"), most folks here know exactly what you're talking about within seconds. I would say those edits are fair, because the topic at hand when you mention such things is absolutely repulsive, and I think you and I both know you were not talking about the food.


A lot of things really don't make sense in regards to swearing on the forum. I don't understand why you can play one filtered word in a video but if it's the same word being repeated another seven times in a different video it gets removed for excessive swearing, either way you still hear the swearing. Spoilers are pointless DON'T CLICK HERE IT SWEARS really means if you don't want to hear swearing really DON'T CLICK IT, common sense?

How does adding a video outside a spoiler with text above it which states the video contains swearing make any difference? why does it need to be edited into a spoiler, it makes no sense. The only answer we get for that is the video is larger than the text so it's the first thing someone clicks, i don't believe that for a second, perhaps others love to read books with pretty colours and drawings because it attracts their attention but for me i like to read the cover before opening the book.

I don't understand how linking others to genuine songs that contains some amount of swearing is wrong. If someone posts contains swearing and another user clicks that song and it swears that's their problem, they were warned. Another thing that annoys the hell out of me is rap / hip hop music, lets be honest the majority of the best rappers are black males, they say stuff that people assume is racist when it really isn't meant in that context. Can't the media and people that live in the past move on, it started off as racist **** then somebody made it cool andthat'sthat, they don't mean it in a racist way and i feel monitoring videos like that should all be based off the context.

Sorry for hijacking your thread Jen I just thought it'd be pointless to express my opinion in another thread when one has already been sparked about swearing. I agree though Jen oneabbreviationis fine and another which is fairly equal isn't. Thenany timeyou question it you get a reply like "FINE WE WILL REMOVE ALL ABBREVIATIONS THAT CONTAINS SWEARING" just to shut people up, it's just silly.

Everything I have posted is just my opinion, obviously a lot of people willdisagreewith the whole N word in music videos and hey I'm not black so i don't know if people who are black get offended. I'm a fat **** and if someone posts "FAT MAN FALLS OFF CHAIR" or "MAN RANTS ABOUT FAT PEOPLE" i don't start crying (even though it's in a rude context) and yes I really did just compare fat people to black people, I'm so naughty. Everything in regards to swearing inabbreviationor videos needs to be based on the context, if Jen posts in a thread "haha f.u richie" that shouldn't be classed as being rude as she's just joking around. The rules need some tweaking imo but the main problem is every post gets treated the same. "F.U JEN YOU IDIOT I ACTUALLY HATE YOU" and "haha f.u Jen" it doesn't really take a genius to find out which one should be fine and which should be removed.

Stop protecting the users that don't exist and focus on the ones that do. That's my rant complete, what do i know though I'm just a user not an admin.

Have fun arguing,
night,
rich.

Though I disagree with you about spoilers (I don't think it's really a big deal to put certain videos in spoilers), admittedly I've even avoided posting YouTube videos in the past because I've been paranoid about what they may contain that I've missed and because I'm not completely clear on the rules myself. I think there should be three classes of violating this rule. 1) If the Youtube video a member posts without a spoiler contains 1-2 swear words I think only an edit and edit notification from a moderator should be necessary because the member probably didn't know about the swear word in the video, or the rule itself. 2) If the song contains excessive (3+) swearing, or if a specific user consistently leaves out spoilers in many videos in a short period of time I think it should be an edit and a user note which could lead to a warning or infraction like any other rule violation. 3) If the song swears every other word, or has extreme inappropriate messages (such as anything by Cannibal Corpse), then I think actual removal of the video is appropriate; this should also prohibit users of posting music videos which contain pornography. I think it's important to keep the forum clean of videos which could get Habbox in trouble, or offend other members, but I think upholding this rule is all about finding a fair medium which wont discourage members from posting videos on the forum.

[GirlNextDoor15]

I unfortunately have to point out that on a Western world internet forum populated with teens, when you say a term including a certain colour of waffle (heck, even when you just say "waffle"), most folks here know exactly what you're talking about within seconds. I would say those edits are fair, because the topic at hand when you mention such things is absolutely repulsive, and I think you and I both know you were not talking about the food.

oops ok fine. what if a kid posted blue waffles, will he get edited? there are two meanings for that term and you shouldn't warn them because of whatever based on your understanding. you'll end up offending them.

[HotelUser]

oops ok fine. what if a kid posted blue waffles, will he get edited? there are two meanings for that term and you shouldn't warn them because of whatever based on your understanding. you'll end up offending them.

This is a scenario where a moderator would exercise their best judgement and assess the scenario as best they could to determine in what context the user posted the phrase in. When it comes down to "waffles", it's usually quite obvious where a user is having a genuine discussion about cooking for example, and when they're promoting the other sort of "waffle".

[GirlNextDoor15]

This is a scenario where a moderator would exercise their best judgement and assess the scenario as best they could to determine in what context the user posted the phrase in. When it comes down to "waffles", it's usually quite obvious where a user is having a genuine discussion about cooking for example, and when they're promoting the other sort of "waffle".

genuine.. genuine as in what an 18 year old would think of what a 10 year old said or 10-10? its just not right. oh and when does this whole 'moderators have the best judgement' thing started? what i posted wasnt even offensive. but meh. i only get edited. im still ok with it

[xxMATTGxx]

genuine.. genuine as in what an 18 year old would think of what a 10 year old said or 10-10? its just not right. oh and when does this whole 'moderators have the best judgement' thing started? what i posted wasnt even offensive. but meh. i only get edited. im still ok with it

Let's be honest here, blue waffles is hardly blueberry waffles now. What you posted was related to the rather disturbing image.

[beth]

if you were thinking blueberry waffles why would you shorten it to blue... even without the disgusting connotation. nobody shortens blueberry to just blue, that's silly.

[brandon]

I've updated the FAQ here (http://www.habboxforum.com/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item2#faq_new_faq_item_swearin gandfilter) and rule A3 too. :)

[GommeInc]

I've updated the FAQ here (http://www.habboxforum.com/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item2#faq_new_faq_item_swearin gandfilter) and rule A3 too. :)
Finally some common sense - you can use FU as long as it's not in a way of insult. So anyone posting those FUUUUU comics cannot be penalised for posting non-insulting material. Good job brandon ;)

[brandon]

Finally some common sense - you can use FU as long as it's not in a way of insult. So anyone posting those FUUUUU comics cannot be penalised for posting non-insulting material. Good job brandon ;)
Haha don't praise me because it doesn't say that! I don't think 'FU' is a big deal really, I spoke to sct about including it or not and the only problem in allowing it I can see is that in going down the road of allowing some and not others we've already made it a bit complex before adding exceptions to the ones that aren't allowed, that and the fact that there could be cloudy situations where someone claims they were using 'FU' indirectly and they weren't, when it's 100% clear it's not aimed at somebody then yes I don't think you should be penalised for using it.

[Catzsy]

Haha don't praise me because it doesn't say that! I don't think 'FU' is a big deal really, I spoke to sct about including it or not and the only problem in allowing it I can see is that in going down the road of allowing some and not others we've already made it a bit complex before adding exceptions to the ones that aren't allowed, that and the fact that there could be cloudy situations where someone claims they were using 'FU' indirectly and they weren't, when it's 100% clear it's not aimed at somebody then yes I don't think you should be penalised for using it.

So all abbreviations are now allowed unless they are used to insult other members? Just to clarify as the way it reads it could be interpreted that FU is still not allowed. If all abbreviations of the 'f' word are allowed except for insulting which would be rule A1 anyway I do think it is a good move and much better than just a few exceptions.

[brandon]

So all abbreviations are now allowed unless they are used to insult other members? Just to clarify as the way it reads it could be interpreted that FU is still not allowed. If all abbreviations of the 'f' word are allowed except for insulting which would be rule A1 anyway I do think it is a good move and much better than just a few exceptions.
Yes I think that's the way we're going to have to go otherwise it's far too confusing still :(, I've tweaked it slightly again. So to clarify, you can use all of these abbreviated phrases now including FU but if they are deemed to be used offensively they'll be removed under rule A1 - correct.

[Shar]

Ah that's so much clearer now. Thanks Brandon!

[Chris]

Yes I think that's the way we're going to have to go otherwise it's far too confusing still :(, I've tweaked it slightly again. So to clarify, you can use all of these abbreviated phrases now including FU but if they are deemed to be used offensively they'll be removed under rule A1 - correct.

Thanks for clearing it up Brandon! :D

[Catzsy]

Yes I think that's the way we're going to have to go otherwise it's far too confusing still :(, I've tweaked it slightly again. So to clarify, you can use all of these abbreviated phrases now including FU but if they are deemed to be used offensively they'll be removed under rule A1 - correct.

Looks great now and makes so much more sense. Gomme the crusade is now over! Took a long time - you will now probably now get a Habbox
knighthood. Don't always agree with you but have always posted in support of you on this one. :)

[HotelUser]

Very good change :)

[Rozi]

Am I the only one that thought HotelUser had resigned? :S

Edited by Jordan (Forum Super Moderator) Please stay on topic

[The Don]

Am I the only one that thought HotelUser had resigned? :S

Let's hope he has changed his mind

[GommeInc]

Yes I think that's the way we're going to have to go otherwise it's far too confusing still :(, I've tweaked it slightly again. So to clarify, you can use all of these abbreviated phrases now including FU but if they are deemed to be used offensively they'll be removed under rule A1 - correct.
*plans a happy party for taking a good step in the right direction* :D Finnaly the rules are being recognised. If anything is used offensively, you have it come under A1 as nature intended.


Looks great now and makes so much more sense. Gomme the crusade is now over! Took a long time - you will now probably now get a Habbox
knighthood. Don't always agree with you but have always posted in support of you on this one. :)
I can literally die happy. Seriously.

[GirlNextDoor15]

yeh. I thought hoteluser resigned

[xxMATTGxx]

yeh. I thought hoteluser resigned

He has done but he's been sticking a around a while longer to fix any bugs that still remain on the forum and elsewhere and to complete some final tasks.

[GirlNextDoor15]

He has done but he's been sticking a around a while longer to fix any bugs that still remain on the forum and elsewhere and to complete some final tasks.

oh well. i hope he won't resign. and what's this 'undefined' thing in the dual challenge? is it a bug?

[HotelUser]

oh well. i hope he won't resign. and what's this 'undefined' thing in the dual challenge? is it a bug?

On which posts do you see undefined in matches?

[Chippiewill]

Christ it's bad enough when staff members leave and they come back a week later. David's retired and hasn't even bothered leaving.

[HotelUser]

[@]@Chippiewill[/@] you will be rid of me as soon as, well, at least one more priority thing gets released smoothly.

[Chippiewill]

Can you add post count back to the memberlist it's probably like a ten second job to add in another column and echo out the user's post count.

Also I know you're not english but you can at least speak it so can you spell "losses" like that and not "loses" (Noughts and crosses scoring thing)

[buttons]

Can you add post count back to the memberlist it's probably like a ten second job to add in another column and echo out the user's post count.

Also I know you're not english but you can at least speak it so can you spell "losses" like that and not "loses" (Noughts and crosses scoring thing)
& reputation
& reputation pages

[Chippiewill]

& reputation
& reputation pages
Apparently David's replacement is going to do that :(

[HotelUser]

& reputation
& reputation pages

I did reputation pages last night. 'Reputation'?

[buttons]

oh thanks!!!
i mean you know how on members list you used to be able to click 'reputation' and it would show everyone's reputation from highest to lowest, the same if you clicked on 'posts'. not sure how much people knew about that actually.. :P

[HotelUser]

[@]@buttons[/@], I never knew about that but I'll check into it. Right now I'm writing something a lot of people have been asking for for a few months.