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-:Undertaker:-
26-01-2012, 09:57 PM
http://www.euractiv.com/future-eu/merkel-vision-political-union-news-510395


German Chancellor Angela Merkel has revealed her long-term vision for Europe, saying the debt crisis is forcing eurozone countries towards a federalist model and placing her on a collision course with the more eurosceptic UK.

In an interview with six major European newspapers, Merkel said closer integration was needed to resolve the EU debt crisis.

"My vision is political union, because Europe has to follow its own path. We need to get closer step by step, in all policy areas," Merkel said.

The chancellor's European vision was made public ahead of an summit on Monday where EU leaders are expected to finalise a new treaty aimed at tightening fiscal discipline and deepening economic integration in the eurozone.

Without mentioning federalism, Merkel described a new architecture for Europe where EU institutions have the last word over member states, placing her on a collision course with British Prime Minister David Cameron, who has vetoed attempts to transfer more power to Brussels.

"In the course a long process, we will transfer more powers to the Commission, which will then work as a European government for European competencies," Merkel said.

"This implies a strong parliament. The Council, which brings together heads of government, will form the second chamber. Finally, we have the European Court of Justice as the supreme court. This could be the future shape of the European political union in a while and, as I said, after many steps."

Two-speed union

Asked about the position of Britain, Merkel said Germany remained committed to a dialogue with all member states, whether they are inside or outside the euro.

But at the same time, she said the crisis is forcing the 17 eurozone countries to take a step further by forging closer economic and political ties among themselves.

"Everyone will understand that the countries that have joined up in adopting a common currency should operate in a very close way."

"We will be able to strengthen our common currency only if we increase our political dialogue, if we are ready to transfer more competences to Europe, step by step. … To do this, we need to give institutions more control rights and give them more teeth."

Eurobonds only after fiscal integration

Merkel reiterated her opposition to eurobonds as a way of addressing the short-term effects of the crisis. However, she remained open to the idea in the longer term, at the conclusion of a process of deeper economic and political integration.

"Eurobonds are not a solution for resolving the momentary crisis. We cannot think of a greater shared responsibility until we have reached a much deeper integration in Europe."

"But for deeper integration, it is necessary, for example, that the Court of Justice of the European Union monitors national budgets, and much more."

"If we were to have one day a harmonised financial and budgetary policy, other forms of cooperation and shared responsibility can then be found."

Call for structural reforms, not stimulus

Merkel said that, when it comes to growth policies, "some people still think in terms of expensive economic stimulus programmes".

The German chancellor referred to unused European regional funds, which could be mobilised to support smaller businesses, youth employment and innovation. "Germany is ready to invest in structural funds in these useful areas," she said.

But she also added that there were other ways of boosting growth, "which cost close to nothing," citing labour market rules that "should be more flexible," especially for young people.

European solidarity and national responsibility

Merkel deflected pressure to increase the eurozone's rescue fund, saying the key to reassuring markets was to restore lost trust in governments' policies. Germany's solidarity, she stressed, has to go hand in hand with a sense of national responsibility.

"If we express our solidarity, we must not however lose sight of our own responsibilities," she said, adding that the eurozone needed to tackle the root causes of the crisis by reducing economic disparities.

"It is absurd to promise more money if we do not fight the origins of the crisis. In Spain, for example, more than 40% of youth are unemployed, which is also due to the legislation."

Merkel insisted she had "a lot of respect" for efforts to make structural reforms in Spain but that Germany and other Central European states had already introduced "painful labour market reforms" which other countries could learn from.

"If we back down from these efforts, if we are only nice to each other and dilute reform projects, it is certainly a bad service we render to Europe."

"Given the billions of aid and the relief funds, we Germans must also be careful if we do not want to be exhausted one day".

When I refer to the project to turn Europe by stealth into one country, some of you may think i'm mad (even if I justify it with numerous quotes stating exactly that thread in, thread out) simply because you think its either far-fetched or just a dream of some Eurocrats in Brussels. Of course, every now and then (and its usually foreign leaders) the true aims of the project started back in the 1950s come out into the light but not in the public eye because of course, who would vote to abolish their own nation state and surrender power to the European Commission?

With the Euro on its knees, the plan of course may never be completed or indeed may end. But don't put it past these people, they'll do everything to save the Euro because without monetary union you cannot have political union just as you cannot have monetary union without fiscal union and fiscal union without political union.

So the question is simple concerning our EU membership, ought the United Kingdom be abolished? I think not as I love my country to bits and i'm no more European than European in the geographical sense. But don't you think it would be nice if the Labour Party, Conservative Party and Liberal Democrats all stood with manifestos pledging to abolish this country and then we could perhaps have a sensible debate on whether that was a good idea or not. It speaks volumes that they dare not to.

Should the United Kingdom leave the European Union? (can't post a poll because it won't let me!)

GommeInc
27-01-2012, 01:29 AM
I always find discussions about Europe odd. It's always about Germany, yet there are more countries in the EU which go completely ignored - they're the labourers for Germany, who cannot control what they are doing because they're all covered in red tape. It's a big hint that something isn't right, and the fact they want EU nations to become closer and controllef by EU commissions isn't going to solve the problem with the EU, it's only going to make them fall faster. Everyone should just leave it, it's a failed experiment - we can all be united another way which gives each country economic and culutural freedom, without killing them in the process.

Chippiewill
27-01-2012, 08:16 PM
I cannot help but think that Germany is trying to enact a certain someone's plans for a single entity in control of europe..

In all seriousness this sheds light on the fact that the puppet masters no longer think of Europe as an economic union (Which is what we were given a Referendum on) and now think of it as the united states of europe and will force it down our throats despite many key people being unelected (So essentially the EU is a dictatorship) and that we have not been given the opportunity ourselves to decide on whether we even wanted to progress from what was a very nice relaxation of economic regulation.

Don't get me wrong, I like a lot about the EU and a lot of it is very good, like fairly open borders (I'd say they're too open at the moment though..), free trade etc. amd hopefully we'll be allowed to pull out of the EU and instead sit in the very nice EFTA and EEA which suits Britain's needs to a FAR greater extent.

-:Undertaker:-
27-01-2012, 10:09 PM
I cannot help but think that Germany is trying to enact a certain someone's plans for a single entity in control of europe..

In all seriousness this sheds light on the fact that the puppet masters no longer think of Europe as an economic union (Which is what we were given a Referendum on) and now think of it as the united states of europe and will force it down our throats despite many key people being unelected (So essentially the EU is a dictatorship) and that we have not been given the opportunity ourselves to decide on whether we even wanted to progress from what was a very nice relaxation of economic regulation.

Don't get me wrong, I like a lot about the EU and a lot of it is very good, like fairly open borders (I'd say they're too open at the moment though..), free trade etc. amd hopefully we'll be allowed to pull out of the EU and instead sit in the very nice EFTA and EEA which suits Britain's needs to a FAR greater extent.

The EU and trade blocs are the opposite of free trade by nature.

If you want free trade (which I do, with everybody) then our future sovereign government could dismantle all tariffs and sanctions tommorow and we'd have free trade, free trade is nothing to do with the EU/EEA/EFTA.

JackJones
28-01-2012, 12:31 AM
I think greater unity is exactly what we need! If that leads to one country of europe then so be it. We'll all be better of having one great and powerful national identity, rather than all these small greedy central and northern eurozone countries only looking out for votes back home. You see the problem these days is politicians care only about votes from where they're from, they never look at the wider future picture and cause the rest of the world to sink to dispair. Had we proper unity before all this mess we wouldn't have had such a bad economic turn in europe. What we need is REAL leaders with vision for the greater picture and the greater good.

The Don
28-01-2012, 12:36 AM
I think greater unity is exactly what we need! If that leads to one country of europe then so be it. We'll all be better of having one great and powerful national identity, rather than all these small greedy central and northern eurozone countries only looking out for votes back home. You see the problem these days is politicians care only about votes from where they're from, they never look at the wider future picture and cause the rest of the world to sink to dispair. Had we proper unity before all this mess we wouldn't have had such a bad economic turn in europe. What we need is REAL leaders with vision for the greater picture and the greater good.

The Euro has proven that greater unity is the last thing we need.

JackJones
28-01-2012, 12:43 AM
Had we proper unity, then the euro would be working much better than it is currently. My feelings are that it was brought about too early for the kind of Europe we currently have. Ask yourself why you think the euro is a bad idea, and unless you're one of these horribly patriotic people, you would see that as a system if europe was as one it would work for the greater good of all concerned.

-:Undertaker:-
28-01-2012, 12:48 AM
Had we proper unity, then the euro would be working much better than it is currently. My feelings are that it was brought about too early for the kind of Europe we currently have. Ask yourself why you think the euro is a bad idea, and unless you're one of these horribly patriotic people, you would see that as a system if europe was as one it would work for the greater good of all concerned.

Like the Soviet Union worked for the 'greater good' for the peoples of Eastern Europe?

A national identity and national culture and customs cannot be created by bureaucrats overnight other than via force, and when it is done via force it always ends in blood.

Chippiewill
28-01-2012, 05:13 PM
Had we proper unity, then the euro would be working much better than it is currently. My feelings are that it was brought about too early for the kind of Europe we currently have. Ask yourself why you think the euro is a bad idea, and unless you're one of these horribly patriotic people, you would see that as a system if europe was as one it would work for the greater good of all concerned.

A union generally occurs for cultural reasons, EUROPE does not have cultural unity and the EU is not even a democracy, there are very few things like it that work because they have to be culturally similar and not have massive language barriers. Until they no longer need translators in the EU parliment there is no reason for a political union, these guys do not respect each other enough to do that.

In the past it has worked, a very clear example is the formation of the UK, both Scotland and England benefited from it (At the time) and whilst there are differences and conflicts we're both culturally similar to a large enough extent for it to have worked. Another is the USA which worked because firstly they didn't have a culture at the time and secondly they all spoke English and were generally similar.

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