Being 'Fat'

[Delimed]

Well i'm like really self-conscious and think I am fat, I have got told i'm not buy I think I am, I go to the gym often and sometimes swim and I also play ice-hockey.

Can anyone tell me like gymprogramswhich will help me lose weight and gain muscle at the same time as I cannot use weights yet.

+rep for any answers

Ben

[Matthew]

How old are you?

[dirrty]

it's all good and well going to the gym, but you'll also need to trim down your calorie intake and what you actually eat. how much do you weigh and what's your waist size/shirt size & how tall are you?

[Mathew]

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/

MyFitnessPal is really good. I use it just to see the average amount of calories I eat each day, but it allows you to input the exercise you do along with what you eat, etc. You're supposed to keep it updated with your weight so it tells you how much you'll weigh providing you keep up the current system. It's free and available for iPad, iPhone, Android and online.

[Vause]

Just work out you BMI and make sure you're in the average for your weight and height :)

[Sharon]

Before I continue, why can't you use weights?

[Delimed]

I'm 14, 12 stone idk about waist line and 5"8-9

[FlyingJesus]

Before I continue, why can't you use weights?

It's somewhat unsafe to begin weight training before a certain stage of development, as you can seriously damage the natural growth of your muscles

Ben for waistline it'll say on the inside of your jeans

[Delimed]

[@]@FlyingJesus[/@] it says w32 l32

[Sharon]

It's somewhat unsafe to begin weight training before a certain stage of development, as you can seriously damage the natural growth of your muscles

Thanks for that information, Dr Fabulous xo

[Blinger]

I was gonna say use Power90 but that involves weights.. maybe try without weights!
Also, I'm 21 and a size 32! Gawd.

Can't you just do pushups in your room for workouts? Start off with 10 then slowly increase, and PUSH yourself. When you think you cant do anymore do 2-3 more, that's where great athletes are born!

[FlyingJesus]

Shane you're also like 8" taller than him

Anywayyyyyyy as far as I'm aware cardio is your best bet for all-round fitness and weight loss, and since exercise releases some lovely hormones which make you feel good about yourself it's a pretty decent idea to have an exercise regime on all counts

[Blinger]

I know. I'm imagining how "fat" this kid is though..

[Zak]

I used to run Ben. But my doctors told me that it wouldn't be a good idea to continue with that because I have the early stages of osteoarthritis. Running is easy to do (nothing really required) and fun .. if you slow jog. I used to run for a running team, I'm actually an ex 600m county champion XD.

Anyway if you go to the gym, if they have a cross trainer they are amazing for weight loss. The amount of calories that can be burned in an hour from those are a lot. If you stick with it the pounds will drop off.

Just don't stop eating entirely (not sure why Laura tells me). Best to eat regular meals but healthy options. I know healthy food sucks but if you're not going to exercise that's the best way.

Failing all that, liposuction haha!!

[j0rd]

How can't you use weights yet?

[beth]

if you don't wanna be fat, don't eat as much and do some exercise.

that's it. if you can't be arsed to that, then you can't be that bothered with being fat.

[Zak]

How can't you use weights yet?

14 is a little too young to start that, his body isn't even remotely fully developed yet. Probably best he waits!

Then again I see no problem in low weight, high reps.. more toning than anything

[j0rd]

14 is a little too young to start that, his body isn't even remotely fully developed yet. Probably best he waits!

Then again I see no problem in low weight, high reps.. more toning than anything

Light muscle workouts won't do much harm, I know a few boys who started young, my best mate had his own multi-gym at 12.

[Cerys]

Tbh, when you've posted in the pictures section, you don't actually look fat.

It just looks like your body build. My friend Amy is like you, she plays Rugby and it is just her bone structure which makes her appear slightly over weight.

[dbgtz]

Light muscle workouts won't do much harm, I know a few boys who started young, my best mate had his own multi-gym at 12.

Your friends will probably pay for that later in life. Anyway, I'm judging he wants muscular strength not endurance and light weights cater to endurance.


Tbh, when you've posted in the pictures section, you don't actually look fat.

It just looks like your body build. My friend Amy is like you, she plays Rugby and it is just her bone structure which makes her appear slightly over weight.

That sounds ridiculous in my opinion.

Anyway if you are fat, just balance your diet, stop eating crap. My dad lost like 3 stone sticking to this plan of lots of vegetables every day with meats some days etc (it was very specific though, not just any old crap). While you probably won't need anything that extreme due to age, it just proves that a balance of everything is beneficial. Also lol.

[Cerys]

That sounds ridiculous in my opinion.

How is it ridiculous..?

People have different bone structures. People have bigger bones than others, so they have more skin/fat.

It's proven that this is true.

[dbgtz]

How is it ridiculous..?

People have different bone structures. People have bigger bones than others, so they have more skin/fat.

It's proven that this is true.

Bone sizes will not have that much of a variation, nor will bone structure at this age. Skin will also not have huge differences with the only place where skin thickness will probably be noticable is your feet. Also by including skin and fat, you go against your original statement.

This is comparing an average human with no bone or growth disorders etc.

[Cerys]

Bone sizes will not have that much of a variation, nor will bone structure at this age. Skin will also not have huge differences with the only place where skin thickness will probably be noticable is your feet. Also by including skin and fat, you go against your original statement.

This is comparing an average human with no bone or growth disorders etc.

It's scientificly proven that this is true...

[dbgtz]

It's scientificly proven that this is true...

Enlighten me then, show me this evidence on how bone structures can make you look fat.

Oh also I'd like to point out, scientists are never always right and a lot of what they say is just theory.

[beth]

if you don't wanna be fat, don't eat as much and do some exercise.

that's it. if you can't be arsed to that, then you can't be that bothered with being fat.

haha okay i got -rep for this. i'm not really sure why because i'm simply stating the truth. do you think yr gonna sit there and magically lose weight? cause yr not, don't be dumb.

this is the only way yr gonna lose weight. give it a try, hun.

[The Don]

Tbh, when you've posted in the pictures section, you don't actually look fat.

It just looks like your body build. My friend Amy is like you, she plays Rugby and it is just her bone structure which makes her appear slightly over weight.

That’s an absolutely rubbish excuse, yes, some people do have larger frames, but all that means is that the bone density is slightly higher. It won’t make a huge difference on the scale.

Your BMI is roughly 25.8 but it’s probably slightly higher as you haven’t put your precise weight unless you weigh perfectly 12 stone. 25.8 is classed as overweight on BMI scales but obviously it doesn't take muscle mass into account, but obviously since you’re 14 and you are not a bodybuilder, it's probably quite accurate. You have a 32” waist, mine is 32-34 and I’m borderline 6ft3. Judging from all this, I would say you’re a bit overweight. I would advise going to a gym and speaking with a personal trainer, most places offer a free consultation; there they will discuss with you want goals you want to achieve and how to go about it. It won’t take long to lose weight and it will benefit you hugely in the future, with both confidence, and dare I say it, happiness.

[Sharon]

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[Delimed]

I have been to the gym today and I actually feel alot better about myself, I weighed myself here are the results:

11 stone
9 stone FFM
1 stone FAT MASS
7 stone WATER MASS

[Sharon]

what how did you manage to drop a stone in one gym session...?

[beth]

musta been on that cross trainer for hours............................

[Cerys]

Enlighten me then, show me this evidence on how bone structures can make you look fat.

Oh also I'd like to point out, scientists are never always right and a lot of what they say is just theory.

Well, one bit of evidence for this is my friend. As I've already said. I'm currently on my phone so I shall show written evidence on this later.

Also when you're finding out your BMI you usually have to select what body build you are for it to be accurate.
Its practically common sense to know that people have different body builds.
Its usually determined by your genetic makeup. For example my friend Amys mother also has a large body structure but she isn't fat.

[The Don]

Well, one bit of evidence for this is my friend. As I've already said. I'm currently on my phone so I shall show written evidence on this later.

Also when you're finding out your BMI you usually have to select what body build you are for it to be accurate.
Its practically common sense to know that people have different body builds.
Its usually determined by your genetic makeup. For example my friend Amys mother also has a large body structure but she isn't fat.

You do realise that the term ‘fat’ is subjective, meaning everyone has different opinions on what is ‘fat’ some would class it as being slightly overweight, others would say someone’s fat if they’re obese. Your friend Amy isn’t evidence.

Some BMI calculators may ask you for your body type, but that doesn’t matter unless, as I’ve already stated you’re a body builder etc. Your friend is most likely overweight, however I haven’t seen her or know anything about her to make a judgment.

[jasey]

I pardon that you excuse me for taking the liberty of looking at the photos you posted in the picture thread. Based on the info you have given on the forum including your photo and your current weight and height I would say that it is true that you are overweight. Try simple changes at first - try to make your diet a bit healthier each day, for example. You don't have to rush yourself to the gym and exercise if it is too much trouble for you. Granted, going to the gym will give you more muscle mass and faster results. Just bear in mind that something as easy as rewriting your diet and cutting some bad foods out can take off the weight that bothers you.

[Cerys]

You do realise that the term ‘fat’ is subjective, meaning everyone has different opinions on what is ‘fat’ some would class it as being slightly overweight, others would say someone’s fat if they’re obese. Your friend Amy isn’t evidence.

Some BMI calculators may ask you for your body type, but that doesn’t matter unless, as I’ve already stated you’re a body builder etc. Your friend is most likely overweight, however I haven’t seen her or know anything about her to make a judgment.

When doctors in hospitals first take you in they get your body type etc, so tbh it must matter.

And she really isn't overweight.
She has a rugby players body, and she got this from her mum. I mean honestly, everyone has different builds. Excuse me for trying to be nice and say he's not overweight, he might just have a different body build to everyone else!

And btw, Obese and fat are two completely different things in the terms of medical scienticts.

And my friend is evidence, as she gives examples to what I am saying. My body build is very small bones, so I weigh 5stone, she has much larger bones compared to me, so she weighs around 10stone.

[The Don]

When doctors in hospitals first take you in they get your body type etc, so tbh it must matter.


Sorry, I’m lost as to what you’re talking about, please elaborate.



And she really isn't overweight.


Again, I don’t know her weight, height or waist/dress size to make a judgment.



She has a rugby players body, and she got this from her mum. I mean honestly, everyone has different builds.


A rugby players body? There are different roles in rugby which require different characteristics. For example, props are usually the stronger, heavier players. They need to be heavy as well as strong to give them the best chance of winning in the scrum. You wouldn’t have someone with the body type of a prop playing fallback as they need to be quicker so obviously the extra weight wouldn’t be helpful.
I presume you are using the term ‘rugby players body’ to describe the first example I used, which suggests that your friend is indeed, overweight/fat. Again, I don’t know this I can only summarize from what you’ve said.



Excuse me for trying to be nice and say he's not overweight, he might just have a different body build to everyone else!


Telling someone they aren’t overweight/fat when they are causes more harm than being truthful which might hurt their feelings initially, but it’s far better/healthier in the long run for that person.



And btw, Obese and fat are two completely different things in the terms of medical scienticts.


Yes, Obese is a medical term for the extremely overweight, Fat, is not a medical term, and again, is subjective.



And my friend is evidence, as she gives examples to what I am saying. My body build is very small bones, so I weigh 5stone, she has much larger bones compared to me, so she weighs around 10stone.

She weighs around 10 stone, not due to her bone density, but because of other differences e.g how tall she is, her fat content etc.

[Cerys]

Sorry, I’m lost as to what you’re talking about, please elaborate.



Again, I don’t know her weight, height or waist/dress size to make a judgment.



A rugby players body? There are different roles in rugby which require different characteristics. For example, props are usually the stronger, heavier players. They need to be heavy as well as strong to give them the best chance of winning in the scrum. You wouldn’t have someone with the body type of a prop playing fallback as they need to be quicker so obviously the extra weight wouldn’t be helpful.
I presume you are using the term ‘rugby players body’ to describe the first example I used, which suggests that your friend is indeed, overweight/fat. Again, I don’t know this I can only summarize from what you’ve said.



Telling someone they aren’t overweight/fat when they are causes more harm than being truthful which might hurt their feelings initially, but it’s far better/healthier in the long run for that person.



Yes, Obese is a medical term for the extremely overweight, Fat, is not a medical term, and again, is subjective.



She weighs around 10 stone, not due to her bone density, but because of other differences e.g how tall she is, her fat content etc.

1) You said that BMI doesn't really matter.
2) If you don't know anything about her, then don't automatically jump to conclusions eg: she's overweight.
3) I'm using a rugby players body to mean that she has a rugby players body, as she plays rugby.. her whole family pretty much played rugby, so their bodies changed overtime to suit the roles that they're playing.
4) I am being truthful, from what I've seen of him, he isn't overweight, he looks like his bone structure is different. It's like someone has fleshy cheeks. That doesn't mean that they're fat, it just means that they were made different, because guess what, nobody is the same so everyone obviously has different bodies and structures.
5) Fat is just another term for overweight. Overweight is not obese.
6) She weighs 10stone DUE to her bone density. She is the same height as me, and eats WAY less than me, and I eat like a pig! So fat content definatly isn't a factor.

Ask any doctor or science teacher, and they will tell you that people appear to be larger than others because of their bones.

[The Don]

1) You said that BMI doesn't really matter.
what's that go to do with anything?
2) If you don't know anything about her, then don't automatically jump to conclusions eg: she's overweight.
as i said, i used logic to come to the conclusion that she is overweight and have given reasons why I came to that conclusion
3) I'm using a rugby players body to mean that she has a rugby players body, as she plays rugby.. her whole family pretty much played rugby, so their bodies changed overtime to suit the roles that they're playing.
as i said, the term 'rugby players body' is extremely wide. I love how you're trying to suggest she's evolved due to her parents playing rugby, so laughable.
4) I am being truthful, from what I've seen of him, he isn't overweight, he looks like his bone structure is different. It's like someone has fleshy cheeks. That doesn't mean that they're fat, it just means that they were made different, because guess what, nobody is the same so everyone obviously has different bodies and structures.
he doesn't have a different body to everyone else, sorry for using such an old phrase, but have you ever seen a big skeleton?...
5) Fat is just another term for overweight. Overweight is not obese.
no it isn't.
FAT
Adjective:
(of a person or animal) Having a large amount of excess flesh.
as you can see, the ammount of excess flesh isn't stated ,so it is subjective in the sense that everyone has differing opinions as to whether someone's fat or not. lucky for us there are systems to measure whether someone is overweight or not.

6) She weighs 10stone DUE to her bone density. She is the same height as me, and eats WAY less than me, and I eat like a pig! So fat content definatly isn't a factor.
sorry, are you a doctor? how could you possibly know she weighs 10 stone due to her bone density and that she isn't 10 stone just because she overeats and is therefore overweight?

Ask any doctor or science teacher, and they will tell you that people appear to be larger than others because of their bones.
no they won't.

(makes longer so i can respond)

[Sharon]

on a mad one akeaaaaaaaaam, to be on topic... just keep up the gym.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyu1e3u5KV1qhfh2bo1_500.gif

[Cerys]

Oh wow, I'm sorry, but are YOU a doctor then?

Considering my mum is a highschool teacher, she mainly teaches science and she said, and I quote: 'What this person is saying is utterly stupid, as everyone has different body structures, just like boys and girls bone structures are not the same. He/she needs to read up on their facts.'

And also the HEAD of science at our school taught us only last week about this.

And what I said about the fat = overweight is true, considering once again, we learnt it in school.

Did I ever say she evolved to have a rugby players body from her parents? No. What I said was that SHE is a rugby player, so her body ends up adapting its self in slight ways to suit being a rugby player.
If she had tiny little bones, like some people, they'd just snap.

And about the BMI, you said 'Some BMI calculators may ask you for your body type, but that doesn’t matter' so I just replied that it does matter.. before you start to try make me look like an idiot on saying stuff about BMI, maybe you should remember stuff that you wrote on previous posts?

Oh god. Arguing about something which I'm obviously correct in (as most people know) *Removed*

You know what? get google out, and find out *Removed*

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[Sharon]

Oh god. Arguing about something which I'm obviously correct in (as most people know)*removed*

You know what? get google out, and find out *removed*

I think you'll find you're the one doing that, oh also it's pretty rude that you don't have respect for someone older than you because as far as I'm aware The Don is an adult :P

[The Don]

Oh wow, I'm sorry, but are YOU a doctor then?


No, I’m not, but I’m a lot older than you, I’ve looked a lot further into this topic than you have, and I don’t justify and use ‘my friend Amy’ as evidence to support my case which suggests my argument is a lot more valid as I don’t rely on my mum to help me.



Considering my mum is a highschool teacher, she mainly teaches science and she said, and I quote: 'What this person is saying is utterly stupid, as everyone has different body structures, just like boys and girls bone structures are not the same. He/she needs to read up on their facts.'


It’s cute that you got your mum involved, but just because she’s your mum, doesn’t make every sentence that comes out of her mouth fact. Obviously everyone has different body structure, hmm, didn’t I say that in an earlier post of mine? But it’s outrageous to suggest that your friend is 5 stone (double your weight) heavier than you due to her bone density, it’s simply not true.



And also the HEAD of science at our school taught us only last week about this.


I suggest you either pay more attention in school or make a complaint about your head for telling you lies.



And what I said about the fat = overweight is true, considering once again, we learnt it in school.


I’m sorry, but in a ‘grown-up’ discussion, “we learnt it in school" doesn’t cut it as evidence. I could say I studied it in college last week to back up my argument, it doesn’t make it any more true.



Did I ever say she evolved to have a rugby players body from her parents? No. What I said was that SHE is a rugby player, so her body ends up adapting its self in slight ways to suit being a rugby player.


Yes, you said “ her whole family pretty much played rugby, so their bodies changed overtime to suit the roles that they're playing.” Sounds like Darwin’s theory to me?



if she had tiny little bones, like some people, they'd just snap.


Your bones don’t magically grow because you play rugby, so this comments irrelevant.



And about the BMI, you said 'Some BMI calculators may ask you for your body type, but that doesn’t matter' so I just replied that it does matter.. before you start to try make me look like an idiot on saying stuff about BMI, maybe you should remember stuff that you wrote on previous posts?


Yes, your body types only relevant if you’re in the gym lifting weights five times a week. It doesn’t matter if your bone density is slightly higher, it won’t give you an option for that. It will for muscle mass, due to muscle weighing more, thus giving the extra option so you don’t have skewed results. Again, bone density won’t affet your results enough to make BMI irrelevant. It’s only irrelevant if you’re a body builder, which your friend amy, I’m guessing, isn’t, nor is ben…



Oh god. Arguing about something which I'm obviously correct in (as most people know) *removed*


Oh, yeh, sorry I didn’t realise you were correct because ‘your mum said so’ or you ‘learnt it in school’ or your magical friend Amy has magic bones which adapt to suit her rugby playing needs :rolleyes:



You know what? get google out, and find out *removed*


I’d say pot kettle black.

[Cerys]

I really cba to read any of that as I'm tired, but I'm guessing you're still wanting to be the correct one.

Another point which could affect your body is muscle size.
Are you gonna start saying that everyones muscles are the same size and weight, then?

[Sharon]

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[The Don]

I really cba to read any of that as I'm tired, but I'm guessing you're still wanting to be the correct one.

Another point which could affect your body is muscle size.
Are you gonna start saying that everyones muscles are the same size and weight, then?

Read my post and you'll find out. I'm not 'wanting' to be the correct one, but I find your posts quite absurd and the fact that you can't respond to my last post suggest that I am correct :)

[Choco]

theres this diet i just did and im still on it but nearly finished it. the dukan diet. since January 9th to this day I've lost 2st and a half :)

[dbgtz]

Oh wow, I'm sorry, but are YOU a doctor then?

Considering my mum is a highschool teacher, she mainly teaches science and she said, and I quote: 'What this person is saying is utterly stupid, as everyone has different body structures, just like boys and girls bone structures are not the same. He/she needs to read up on their facts.'

And also the HEAD of science at our school taught us only last week about this.

And what I said about the fat = overweight is true, considering once again, we learnt it in school.

Did I ever say she evolved to have a rugby players body from her parents? No. What I said was that SHE is a rugby player, so her body ends up adapting its self in slight ways to suit being a rugby player.
If she had tiny little bones, like some people, they'd just snap.

And about the BMI, you said 'Some BMI calculators may ask you for your body type, but that doesn’t matter' so I just replied that it does matter.. before you start to try make me look like an idiot on saying stuff about BMI, maybe you should remember stuff that you wrote on previous posts?

Oh god. Arguing about something which I'm obviously correct in (as most people know) *removed*

You know what? get google out, and find out *removed*

Oh wow, I'm sorry, but is YOUR MUM a doctor then? The core structure of the human skeleton is the same in each gender (obviously girls and boys differ much more as they age). This means that no one can look fat because they have a different build.

Also to that last sentence about google, you shouldn't believe everything on the internet or from scientists mouths.


I really cba to read any of that as I'm tired, but I'm guessing you're still wanting to be the correct one.

Another point which could affect your body is muscle size.
Are you gonna start saying that everyones muscles are the same size and weight, then?

No **** muscle affects your body, that's pretty much the point of this whole thread.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh god. Arguing about something which I'm obviously correct in (as most people know) *removed*

Actually you claimed that this friend of yours was not overweight despite being 10 stone and the same height as you - unless you happen to be about 5'9" in which case you're likely to be dead at 5 stone then she is almost certainly overweight. Her being a bigger build does not affect this fact to a noticeable degree, unless her bones are made of lead or something.

Maybe YOU should rememer stuff that you've previously written.

[Special]

when i decided to lose some weight for tenerife last month (i was by no means fat or overweight but who doesn't want to lose a pound or 2 before a holiday?) i didn't tell myself i was on a diet i just always watched what i ate. for example i chose a low fat sandwich, orange juice and a bag of fruit for dinner instead of a higher fat sandwich, crisps and cola

all i did was just make that small change and i ended up losing 4 pounds in around 30 days. if you did that combined with exercise (the most important thing for weight loss) you could be losing like 3 pounds a week

[Cerys]

No, me not replying to your posr means I am too busy and tired to answer your post (: like I said before. And my posts are correct, not absurd.
Goodnight.


Read my post and you'll find out. I'm not 'wanting' to be the correct one, but I find your posts quite absurd and the fact that you can't respond to my last post suggest that I am correct :)

[The Don]

No, me not replying to your posr means I am too busy and tired to answer your post (: like I said before. And my posts are correct, not absurd.
Goodnight.

Completely missed the two other posts which completely ruin your argument? I'll paste them here :)



Actually you claimed that this friend of yours was not overweight despite being 10 stone and the same height as you - unless you happen to be about 5'9" in which case you're likely to be dead at 5 stone then she is almost certainly overweight. Her being a bigger build does not affect this fact to a noticeable degree, unless her bones are made of lead or something.

Maybe YOU should rememer stuff that you've previously written.


Oh wow, I'm sorry, but is YOUR MUM a doctor then? The core structure of the human skeleton is the same in each gender (obviously girls and boys differ much more as they age). This means that no one can look fat because they have a different build.

Also to that last sentence about google, you shouldn't believe everything on the internet or from scientists mouths.



No **** muscle affects your body, that's pretty much the point of this whole thread.

[Choco]

why'd you guys have to fight?

[dbgtz]

No, me not replying to your posr means I am too busy and tired to answer your post (: like I said before. And my posts are correct, not absurd.
Goodnight.

Surely it's arrogant to just say "all my posts are correct". Maybe once you're older and open your eyes more, *REMOVED*

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[FlyingJesus]

Your posts are not correct. You know what people who are presented with evidence and deny it simply because it doesn't fit the answer they want to believe are called? The technical term is a bigot, and such people are the root cause of just about every large-scale human travesty. If you are not willing to learn, do not argue

[Cerys]

And [@]@flyingjesus[/@] I'm 5'8 but not dead ;)

[The Don]

And [@]@flyingjesus[/@] I'm 5'8 but not dead ;)

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[FlyingJesus]

Then you're lying about being 5 stone, because anything under a BMI of 15 is extremely noticeable and enough to get you sectioned and 5'8" 70lbs is a BMI of 10.6, which I don't think is even possible to survive on

Unless you're an amputee or something

[Cerys]

Then its obvious you can survive at that height any weight because hi, I'm here.

And why would I lie about my weight? If I wanted to lie surely I'd say I was heavier than that because nobody really wants to be my weight lmfao.

[The Don]

Then its obvious you can survive at that height any weight because hi, I'm here.

And why would I lie about my weight? If I wanted to lie surely I'd say I was heavier than that because nobody really wants to be my weight lmfao.

To make your friends weight seem acceptable?

If you aren't lying, you're extremely deluded, as Tom has pointed out, it's almost impossible to live at that weight coupled with that height.

[FlyingJesus]

Just checked papoy, she is a very slight build but unless she's made of foam she is definitely not 5 stone, all of her bones would be showing, her skin would sag, and she'd almost certainly be confined to a bed and IV unit if that were the case

[beth]

maybe yr scales are broken hun.

[dbgtz]

Just checked papoy, she is a very slight build but unless she's made of foam she is definitely not 5 stone, all of her bones would be showing, her skin would sag, and she'd almost certainly be confined to a bed and IV unit if that were the case

This. I'd guess 8 stone at a bare minimum.

[Oleh]

As far as I'm concerned you are being misfed information, weight lifting at any age doesn't and will never stunt growth. EVER, unless of course, you fall over whilst lifting said weight.


Arnold Schwarzenegger (http://strongliftsinnercircle.com/forum/arnold-schwarzenegger-s-strength-stats-t10605.html), Lou Ferrigno, Dave Draper, Shaquille O’Neal, David Robinson, Karl Malone, Michael Vick, etc. They all started lifting weights in their early teens and are +6′ /1m82 tall.

[dbgtz]

As far as I'm concerned you are being misfed information, weight lifting at any age doesn't and will never stunt growth. EVER, unless of course, you fall over whilst lifting said weight.

This is obviously one source, but it also rules out the age of weightlifting (sort of)
http://www.livestrong.com/article/139091-what-is-right-age-start-lifting-weights/

Here's what it said for 13-14
At the age of 13 or 14, adolescents can begin to devise a more stringent and demanding workout routine. However, youths should still avoid lifting heavy weights. Lifting light weights with high repetitions will prove to be a secure and beneficial method of strength training.

I'd go to more sources and see what they say, but I can't be arsed.

[Mathew]

I've always thought weight lifting can stunt growth because we need look no further than a history textbook where it states how people are getting taller over time. There was a period when people averaged 4ft and history textbooks tend to put it down to individuals undertaking hard labor as a young child. The article below is quite interesting though and could go against this idea (the part about confusing cause with effect is quite applicable in the modern age). Worth a read.

http://skinnybulkup.com/does-weight-lifting-stunt-growth/

[FlyingJesus]

As far as I'm concerned you are being misfed information, weight lifting at any age doesn't and will never stunt growth. EVER, unless of course, you fall over whilst lifting said weight.

I don't recall anyone saying that it stunts growth, rather that it's potentially dangerous and can damage the muscles

[Cerys]

To make your friends weight seem acceptable?

If you aren't lying, you're extremely deluded, as Tom has pointed out, it's almost impossible to live at that weight coupled with that height.

Yes, almost impossible but not entirely impossible.

[Empired]

Yes, almost impossible but not entirely impossible.

Cerys leave it Diamond Girl!

OT: I've always thought lifting weight is just bad for your muscles when you're too young because they aren't fully developed? I've always put the increase in average height over the years down to evolution?

[The Don]

Yes, almost impossible but not entirely impossible.

I've seen your picture in papoy, you aren't 5 stone.
Please just admit you're lying and end this thread.

[Shar]

Just to point out the facts, if someone was 5"8 and 5 stone they would be laying on their death bed right now. You're either not 5 stone or not 5"8 because that sounds absolutely ridiculous to me. Even if I was 5 stone I would be a pile of bones and I'm 5"1.

[Cerys]

Cerys leave it Diamond Girl!

OT: I've always thought lifting weight is just bad for your muscles when you're too young because they aren't fully developed? I've always put the increase in average height over the years down to evolution?

Finee :P.
But it's like, why the hell would I lie about my height or weight lmfao. Oh well, at least I know I'm not lying :3

[FlyingJesus]

At 70lbs (5 stone) the tallest you could be without being perpetually hospitalised is around 4'8"

If you were telling the truth, your organs would have shut down and you'd be incapable of any movement more strenuous than sitting upright

[beth]

Finee :P.
But it's like, why the hell would I lie about my height or weight lmfao. Oh well, at least I know I'm not lying :3

it's kinda sad yr gonna continue to argue the fact when everybody here thinks yr being silly.

[Cerys]

it's kinda sad yr gonna continue to argue the fact when everybody here thinks yr being silly.

Then think I'm being silly?

Its my weight and I like it so ya know.

[The Don]

Right, let's end this once and for all...

Isabelle Caro was a french model most famously known for being anorexic. She was 5ft 5, so 3 inches shorter than what you apparently are.

At the worst of her condition, she weighed 3 stone 13 lbs (1 lb off 4 stone).

Here she is, when she weighed slightly more (4 stone 2 lbs)

http://www.celebrityfluff.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/isabelle-caro.jpeg

Here's a photo of you

http://oi42.tinypic.com/216hbc.jpg

and you are supposedly 3 inches taller than her, you also look bigger than her...

Oh, btw, Isabelle died from her illness.

There is no way you are 5ft 8 and weigh 5 stone.

[Neversoft]

Hey, I think you have the same camera as me.

Edited by Glitzen (Trialist Forum Moderator): Please stay on topic, thanks.

[Cerys]

Ok then, the don.

I'm obviously am going to listen to some random online person, and not listen to my close friends, family and others.
Seriously. You have to accept that sometimes you're wrong about peoples weight and heights. XD

[beth]

should probably stop listening to what close friends say and trust a pair of scales, really.

[Cerys]

should probably stop listening to what close friends say and trust a pair of scales, really.

I use scales obviously...

Weighed 5 mins ago - 5st3. Is that alright with everyone because apparantly I have to make sure you all agree with it before it becomes 'official'

[The Don]

I use scales obviously...

Weighed 5 mins ago - 5st3. Is that alright with everyone because apparantly I have to make sure you all agree with it before it becomes 'official'

Get new scales.

[FlyingJesus]

You know what people who are presented with evidence and deny it simply because it doesn't fit the answer they want to believe are called? The technical term is a bigot, and such people are the root cause of just about every large-scale human travesty. If you are not willing to learn, do not argue

Just felt like this needed repeating. It is quite literally the same mindset as those who believe in natural white supremacy despite all logic, or who think that men's suffering doesn't matter because it hardly ever happens despite being presented with all sorts of studies and evidence to the contrary, and both of these types of people are people that I deal with almost daily and it absolutely kills any faith in humanity to know that someone can be so stupid in the face of fact and reason.

[Cerys]

They are new, and I've used many other scales. LOL seriously guys, what is your problem. You don't even know me but you still insist that I'm a liar and stuff.


Get new scales.

[beth]

because you are arguing a point that is flawed. you are either not 5'8 or you are not 5 stone 3, and i don't know what you're getting out of lying about it...

[Cerys]

I'm clearly not lying though??

I wonder what you're getting out of it by claiming I'm a liar..?


because you are arguing a point that is flawed. you are either not 5'8 or you are not 5 stone 3, and i don't know what you're getting out of lying about it...

[beth]

i'm not getting anything out of apart from the fact i think it's pathetic to make yrself sound like you are something you are not.

people die of anorexia and eating disorders and malnutrition everyday, it's nothing i'd particularly want to pretend i have or even show off about being that way. pretty much disgusts me really. it's a serious condition you are trivialising and it makes me angry.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04/27/article-0-010FA17200000578-329_233x389.jpg

this girl is 5'6 and weighs 5 stone. you are not 5 stone.

[Cerys]

i'm not getting anything out of apart from the fact i think it's pathetic to make yrself sound like you are something you are not.

people die of anorexia and eating disorders and malnutrition everyday, it's nothing i'd particularly want to pretend i have or even show off about being that way. pretty much disgusts me really. it's a serious condition you are trivialising and it makes me angry.

Ugh.

I AM 5stone
I AM 5"8

Why the hell would I want to pretend to be anorexic?
What you're accusing me of doing is pretty disgusting. I am in no way showing off? I mention my weight in 1 post to prove a point, then everyone starts raging at me.
All I am trying to do is defend who I am and not let people like you make me feel like rubbish.

You should just accept who and what I am and DEAL WITH IT.

[The Don]

Ugh.

I AM 5stone
I AM 5"8

Why the hell would I want to pretend to be anorexic?
What you're accusing me of doing is pretty disgusting. I am in no way showing off? I mention my weight in 1 post to prove a point, then everyone starts raging at me.
All I am trying to do is defend who I am and not let people like you make me feel like rubbish.

You should just accept who and what I am and DEAL WITH IT.

Don't play the victim card. I can't tell if you are trolling now, it's becoming that much of a joke. It's an insult to everyone here's intelligence for you to pretend that you weigh 5 stone whilst standing at 5ft8. The fact that you have posted a photo of yourself recently, which shows you are nowhere near anorexic pretty much ends this petty attempt of attention seeking or whatever else it is you're trying to achieve by trying to pass this fabrication off as the truth.

[Cerys]

Lmfao that image is no where near recent.

How is this trolling. I mention my weight. Youb rage at me for it being a low weight. I try stick up for myself.

Jesus christ. If you don't believe what people say you won't get anywhere in life.

[beth]

Lmfao that image is no where near recent.

How is this trolling. I mention my weight. Youb rage at me for it being a low weight. I try stick up for myself.

Jesus christ. If you don't believe what people say you won't get anywhere in life.

i tend to educate myself on varying views and scientific evidence.

[Kyle]

Lmfao that image is no where near recent.

How is this trolling. I mention my weight. Youb rage at me for it being a low weight. I try stick up for myself.

Jesus christ. If you don't believe what people say you won't get anywhere in life.
jut because the image is over 10 years old doesnt mean that it isn't real

u dont weight 5 stone stop pretending

getting irate at u

[Cerys]

What? Sorry. Who are you? LOL

[The Don]

What? Sorry. Who are you? LOL

That's Kyle, He's been here for over 5 years, can you remind me who you are?

[cocaine]

Ugh.

I AM 5stone
I AM 5"8

Why the hell would I want to pretend to be anorexic?
What you're accusing me of doing is pretty disgusting. I am in no way showing off? I mention my weight in 1 post to prove a point, then everyone starts raging at me.
All I am trying to do is defend who I am and not let people like you make me feel like rubbish.

You should just accept who and what I am and DEAL WITH IT.

i've been lurking in this thread for the last few hours and i feel i need to weigh in (see what i did there). i doubt you're 5 stone. infact i'd bet against it. if you are you'd 1) not be on habbox 2) be in hospital 3) not want to parade around the internet disclosing your weight and height to people. i have family who have genuine eating disorders and it's upsetting to see people who want to draw attention to themselves regarding their weight, moreso if they're lying about it.

[jasey]

Coming from someone who has spent every year of his life struggling with bulimia since he was thirteen, I can say that you claiming to weigh five stone is not only offensive to us as a forum but also a stab at the community struggling with eating disorders on a daily basis. By pretending to be a weight you are not - which it is clear you are, sweetie - you are trying to get some sort of shock factor or glamorous feeling from all of the attention. You clearly enjoy arguing and pretending about it because you have been posting over and over with obvious trolls or lies - I can't tell which - for ages.

Let me share something. I am about 5'10" or 5'11" depending on who measures me. Let's say that I fall somewhere in the middle. At my lowest weight I was 7 stone. I couldn't function like a normal person. I was literally a victim of my eating disorder. It was only a couple of days before I was sent to an eating disorder inpatient treatment program. Nothing was comfortable - sleeping, standing, sitting - it all hurt my bones. I am no longer this weight now thanks to recovery programs but I will forever live with an osteoarthritis-type condition that makes my bones sickly because of the damage I did.

I will recap. Me, someone who has been struggling with bulimia nervosa for eight years. My lowest weight was 7 stone, two stone more than you weigh and enough to get me sent to the hospital without any prompting. The doctors insisted upon it and I was not let out for a very long time. You are two inches shorter than me, weigh two less stone and seemingly live a normal life? No, I call bigtime troll or lie on this one.

Just thought my input would be a bit eye-opening. Please don't act like being malnourished or underweight is something to be proud of. Eating disorders are, indeed, the most lethal of all psychological illnesses.

[GirlNextDoor15]

Ugh.

I AM 5stone
I AM 5"8

Why the hell would I want to pretend to be anorexic?
What you're accusing me of doing is pretty disgusting. I am in no way showing off? I mention my weight in 1 post to prove a point, then everyone starts raging at me.
All I am trying to do is defend who I am and not let people like you make me feel like rubbish.

You should just accept who and what I am and DEAL WITH IT.

Saw your pictures at PAPOY and you don't look 5stone or 5''8. If you are, then tbh you should be dead by now. At first, you make yourself sound normal with 5stone and 5''8 but now, you're saying you're anorexic? The muscle size or bone size will definitely not affect that much. Oh and even if I'm not a doctor, that doesnt mean I'm an idiot who knows nothing about our body.

[Gina]

I agree with the above post also seeing the picture that bethie posted of the 5'6 girl thats 5 stone,
im certain you aren't 5stone and tbh I dnt even think you're 5'8, from your pics in papoy it looks nothing like it

[beth]

y'know really i think this thread should be closed cause we're all falling into the trap of giving attention to someone who obviously thinks it's cool to lie to get attention, but that's unfair on ben who had a genuine query and was honest (well, almost) with his weight and height.

[Catchy]

Then think I'm being silly?

Its my weight and I like it so ya know.

5ft8 and 5 stone and you like it? You need professional help... However everyone here has kind of proved that you're wrong anyway so yaknow

[Vause]

My Mum is 5ft 5 and she went down to just above 5 stone during her divorce. She was SO ill, and after seeing that I find it almost impossible to believe someone can be 5 stone and healthy.

[Gina]

k ima reply now bout ben
ben tbh I don't think anything wrong with your weight aha
if you wanted to lose some, i would say keep at the gym, it seems to be doing ya good :)
i walk to school bout 30-1hr walk there then bout 30mins back lol
I do like hr walks with my dogs aswell so likeee

[Jazz]

I don't really know why a person needs to lie about their weight. Yeah it might be for self confidence or whatever, or for attention idk. Personally I am overweight, by quite a bit. For the last 2/3 yearsI'vebeen comfort eating or just eating to pass the time, but I don't want or need to lie about my weight because I'm happy with the way I am now. Yeah I could do with losing a bit of weight, and i've been going for walks and swims to combat it and I've lost a stone and a bit, its also built my muscles up. Another way is athletics, that is amazing for 'toning up'. For those who want to know, I'm about 6ft 1 and I weight about 14 stone (which is awful but yeah)

I've also seen how eating disorders affect people, and how horrid it is. I can't understand why a person would need to make up they had such things or to weigh in this case so little. It's a bit like people faking to have mental illnesses to get out of trouble or to gain attention, well lying in general is for attention seeking purposes mainly. Lying is a nasty little bugger, and it will only make you look silly and lose respect of your peers.

I tried to answer the thread in my little paragraph, I hope it makes sense and Ihaven't like made comments useless to the thread aha

[Vause]

[@]@jazz[/@] that's just like me, but i'm 5ft 5. you're so tall! i've started going for walks in the day just for the sake of it, to pass time and stop me being bored.

[Jazz]

[@]@jazz[/@] that's just like me, but i'm 5ft 5. you're so tall! i've started going for walks in the day just for the sake of it, to pass time and stop me being bored.

id rather be 5ft 5 tbh. I hate being tall, walking is fun i love it, speshy when you're bored :-3

[Richie]

Lol why is everyone being a **** to that girl. She probs is lying but who gives a flying ****, if it makes her happy lying to people on the internet let her lol.


Ben,
I reckon you should just stick with swimming and your other sports atm as you're still young and you're still growing. Perhaps you could join a swimming club or something? I know my school used to have swimming competitions with other schools. I'm not the right person to be giving advice as I'm a fat **** but I know swimming is proven to be really good fitness wise and I know a ton of friends who swim and are extremely fit.

[Gina]

oh yh thats the one, swimming should be good aha
i used to do swimming every day after school
well like every day accept tuesday n thursday
or it was on tuesdays and thursday
I cant remember but yh, its also pretty fun to do if like your goodish at it or enjoy it aha

[Zak]

I'm 4 stone

Edited by Chris (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make pointless posts!

[Cheryl]

I'm 4 stone

This is true, my friend Barry is nearly 6 foot and 4 stone.
Also, I know this because my other friend Paul is about 5 foot 12 and weighs about 12 stone and he looks about 3 times as big as Barry.

Edited by Chris (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make pointless posts!

[Samantha]

I'm 5 foot tall and weigh just under 7 stone, I just scrape a 'normal' bmi so I don't see how anyone taller can weigh less than that. If they do then so be it but anyway this thread is ultimately about Ben so here's my input.

I don't think cutting down on eating is the only way to lose weight, yeah cutting down on snacking might help but at the end of the day most people will eat when they're hungry.

My sister goes to Slimming World with my mum every Wednesday, she isn't fat nor overweight but she wants to lose a few pounds, as she hasn't got a lot to lose (like you in some case) then it may take a while to come off but with persistence it will pay off.

A good way to have physical exercise whilst having fun and not doing too much damage would be console games such as wii fit, just dance things that get your whole body moving, it might seem silly but it does also burn calories that you've consumed off so there would be some difference (eventually).

I remember in my school we weren't allowed to do weights until year 10 meaning we were 14-15 years old, then again they weren't heavy therefore wouldn't have much effect in the long run.

However, as some others have suggested I would keep on with the swimming as it involves tonnes of muscles it will help increase stamina and such; other sports are good too though.

[Zak]

I'm 5 foot tall and weigh just under 7 stone, I just scrape a 'normal' bmi so I don't see how anyone taller can weigh less than that. If they do then so be it but anyway this thread is ultimately about Ben so here's my input.

I don't think cutting down on eating is the only way to lose weight, yeah cutting down on snacking might help but at the end of the day most people will eat when they're hungry.

My sister goes to Slimming World with my mum every Wednesday, she isn't fat nor overweight but she wants to lose a few pounds, as she hasn't got a lot to lose (like you in some case) then it may take a while to come off but with persistence it will pay off.

A good way to have physical exercise whilst having fun and not doing too much damage would be console games such as wii fit, just dance things that get your whole body moving, it might seem silly but it does also burn calories that you've consumed off so there would be some difference (eventually).

I remember in my school we weren't allowed to do weights until year 10 meaning we were 14-15 years old, then again they weren't heavy therefore wouldn't have much effect in the long run.

However, as some others have suggested I would keep on with the swimming as it involves tonnes of muscles it will help increase stamina and such; other sports are good too though.

Such a shortarse sam :)

[Samantha]

[@]@Zak[/@] I know :( doesn't help that I'm almost 18 and can get on a bus for under 11 without a pass.

Anyway, another way would be jogging and walking ben, I have a fast metabolism so I will probably pay in the future with the junk I eat.

[Zak]

[@]@Zak[/@] I know :( doesn't help that I'm almost 18 and can get on a bus for under 11 without a pass.

Anyway, another way would be jogging and walking ben, I have a fast metabolism so I will probably pay in the future with the junk I eat.

Geez louise Sam! It would be funny to see you in real life, you'd be so ickle ! :D

[Matthew]

God quite an argument in this thread :P

[@]@-toxicflames[/@] as you've been told many times, can't understand how you are still alive with your supposed height and weight. Your BMI comes out to something like 11, and considering 18.5 is underweight...

And also to say that bone structure affects your BMI or weight to the extent that you thinkit does is ludicrous :P


Anyway I may as well post something constructive for Ben so here goes;

Just cut down on the crap and exercise more. Little things such as swimming a couple of times a week or cycling to school etc can make a big difference over time.