Grand National

[j0rd]

As most of you probably already know, the Grand National is tomorrow.

Are you backing any horses, if so, which ones?
I've backed Ballabriggs and Black Apalachi

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[Kasabian]

£10 on Shakalakaboomboom @ 16/1, mainly cus I liked the name.
£10 on West End Rocker @ 14/1.

[Deak]

I've picked 3 out who i am going for

Shakalakaboomboom
Seabass
Mon Mone

Not sure how much i'm going to put on them yet, but here's hoping that one of them win! :P

[Mathew]

I don't gamble and I don't agree with the Grand National, so no.

[Adam]

I don't gamble and I don't agree with the Grand National, so no.

Brilliant, informative, thought provoking post. Thank you.

I'll be putting a bet on tomorrow, haven't even looked at the runners yet.

[Mathew]

Brilliant, informative, thought provoking post. Thank you.

I'll be putting a bet on tomorrow, haven't even looked at the runners yet.
Get down off your high "horse" and take another look at the first post. Perhaps we could have a discussion about how you haven't looked at the runners yet.
-rep.


Are you backing any horses, if so, which ones?

[Jssy]

Grandads putting bets on West end Rocker & Chicago Grey, for me.

[David]

I'll be going out tomorrow to stick mines on, not sure how many or how much though. Only had a glance at the names so will need to check thoroughly tomorrow.

[SackRace]

My dads bought a few for me dno who though :)

[Adam]

Get down off your high "horse" and take another look at the first post. Perhaps we could have a discussion about how you haven't looked at the runners yet.
-rep.

Ahh no -rep!

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[CaptainAce$$]

I don't want a bet but my four would of been. Synchronised, Ballabriggs, Mon Mome & State Of Play.

[AlexJRiley]

Ive put a fiver to win on cappa bleu 14/1 odds :D £70 in my back pocket ;D

[David]

going for ;
Synchronised @ 10/1
Becauseicouldntsee @ 20/1

[AlexJRiley]

My mum went for Alwaysright, dont know the odds

[Samantha.]

I just put my bets on! Backing Seabass, Synchronised and Ballabriggs :) Hopefully i'll be rich later!

[SackRace]

I bets are on =] sea bass, synchronised and junior

[wixard]

why didn't we do the forum thing where we bet :(

[Jssy]

Someone on my facebook just said they've put £50 on one horse wow. I only bet like £1 each way

[Kasabian]

why didn't we do the forum thing where we bet :(

hahaha habbo sweepstakes :(

Tempted to lump on Seabass.

[SackRace]

Someone on my facebook just said they've put £50 on one horse wow. I only bet like £1 each way

Iv put £5 each way =]

[AlexHenry]

I've put £1 on each way for organisedconfusion - I'm like that and WeirdAl - seeing as it's my name. ;)

[Jazz]

I put £2.50 on Weird al and Sychonised

[Kasabian]

Winner was Neptune Collonges, at 25/1.

[Chris]

I put a pound on a few, my mum put some on Sunnyhillboy and was so close aha.

[David]

Winner was Neptune Collonges, at 25/1.

piece of **** :( **** the system

[Kasabian]

I put a pound on a few, my mum put some on Sunnyhillboy and was so close aha.

Must be gutting to lose by a nostril.

Neptune Colonges was as high as 33/1.

[orientalframe?]

got 34/1 on neptune colonges, won back £100 or something along those lines woo :)

[Chris]

According to pete and synchronised both put down :( Its the only bad thing about these races.

[Oleh]

I put a pound on a few, my mum put some on Sunnyhillboy and was so close aha.

I put £6 each way on that lad too :(, was gutted when he lost! But still got some monies :)

[Circadia]

15/40 horses finished
and two horses had to be put down

One of them being syncronised who was the favorite until his jockey fell off, so he slipped down to third
The other being according to pete

[David]

15/40 horses finished
and two horses had to be put down

One of them being syncronised who was the favorite until his jockey fell off, so he slipped down to third

:( Kasabian; jinxed Synchronised the noob he said it would get shot because i backed it

[j0rd]

Well done Kasabian; he should so get an infraction now

Step dad won 1st & 2nd in work sweepstake, winning about £50

[Circadia]

Yeah synchronised jump the fence perfectly then landed on its head
not sure what happened to according to pete

[Catchy]

Can't believe two horses have been put down, it's so sad but yeah anyways my horse shakalakaboomboom didn't win :( Was a really good race though!

[Jssy]

Apparently a third one is dead too

[Glen Coco]

surprised there hasn't been loads of people on here saying the Grand National is cruel!
i bet on shakalalaboomboom, gutted he didn't win.
it's sad that horses have to be killed if they break a bone but they love racing so at least they're doing something that they love

[Kasabian]

Syncronised was spooked before the race even started, was apparent when he flipped McCoy off.

I still think the fences are too high/long in the National, one fence is 11foot.

[Glen Coco]

Syncronised was spooked before the race even started, was apparent when he flipped McCoy off.

I still think the fences are too high/long in the National, one fence is 11foot.

not in this race?
the highest was 5ft 2.
i don't think he was spooked, just overly excited

[Jssy]

Everyone on my facebook is moaning its cruel, but people only moan when its the grand national. My horses went down in the first five minutes:(

[Kasabian]

not in this race?
the highest was 5ft 2.
i don't think he was spooked, just overly excited

The distance of the jump was 11ft, my bad :P

[brandon]

Gutted for the two horses that died, it's like Synchronised knew :(.

[beth]

really enjoyed the race today, yeah 2 horses died but y'know happens all year round in horse racing no point getting upset over the grand national if yr not complaining about the 1000's of races throughout the year.

didn't have any money on, but was gonna put money on shakalakaboomboom. glad i didn't hahahha!

[Mathew]

Another year has passed where people jump on the bandwagon and get overly excited over a cruel, disgusting, inhumane sport. I didn't used to mind it, but after seeing the horses die, and after seeing them being whipped year on year, I just don't think it's justified when people get so hyped up over it. Yes, people think it's amazing because money is involved, but you're doing it at the expense of lives and that's just wrong. Shameful.

[Jordan]

Another year has passed where people jump on the bandwagon and get overly excited over a cruel, disgusting, inhumane sport. I didn't used to mind it, but after seeing the horses die, and after seeing them being whipped year on year, I just don't think it's justified when people get so hyped up over it. Yes, people think it's amazing because money is involved, but you're doing it at the expense of lives and that's just wrong. Shameful.

I know, I saw it today because my parents had it on the TV and I had to look away, I found it awful. ughh!

[CaptainAce$$]

I dislike horse racing in general. Horses like running but not in a race with a human upon their backs whipping them. Horses are raced at the tender age of 2 onwards which means they are not mature and there bones are not fully strong and developed.
They go through speed tests at 2 years old all to be bought to compete in the proper races. Some of them during that time, break down due to being pushed too fast, too far, too soon. Some of the speed tests see them go faster then they ever will in their racing career. (If they survive that far) Also if horses love racing so much, why have a whip? Surely if these horses DO love to run, they can do so without a whip.

[LoveToStack]

There was a piece on before the race began about According To Pete and his owners were saying "we don't mind if he doesn't win, obviously it would be nice but the most important thing is that he comes home safe because we love him so much" or words to that effect. Must be horrible for them.

:(

[Mathew]

They love their horse but they're willing to inflict pain through whipping and push him to his absolute limits until he's staring death in the face. If they didn't mind about winning then they wouldn't do it - they have nobody but themselves to blame for his death.

[Adam]

Another year has passed where people jump on the bandwagon and get overly excited over a cruel, disgusting, inhumane sport. I didn't used to mind it, but after seeing the horses die, and after seeing them being whipped year on year, I just don't think it's justified when people get so hyped up over it. Yes, people think it's amazing because money is involved, but you're doing it at the expense of lives and that's just wrong. Shameful.

My God you're boring.

Do you eat meat? Right then. Don't complain about a few horses being killed.

Ignorance.




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[Oleh]

All I'm going to say is, the whip doesn't hurt the horses, it's basically just to gain their attention. Stop jumping on the bandwagon of calling it cruel or inhumane, if they hated it so much they have all the time in the world to refuse to run or act up.

[beth]

the whip doesn't even hit the horses the majority of the time, it hits the riders boot and as far as i'm aware they're only allowed to hit the horse a certain amount of times now anyway aren't they?

dunno bout people jumping on the bandwagon for the grand national, more like people jumping on the animal welfare bandwagon when they fail to mention horse cruelty during the rest of the racing calendar.

[Adam]

It's not even cruel, it puts the horse out of its miserary and out of pain. It's the opposite of cruel.

Those racing horses and the best looked after horses in the world and nobody wants to see them get hurt. They like racing, like a dog likes chasing a stick, it's nature. There's just an unfortunate consequence.

Bore off all you PETA pals.


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[AlexHenry]

They love their horse but they're willing to inflict pain through whipping and push him to his absolute limits until he's staring death in the face. If they didn't mind about winning then they wouldn't do it - they have nobody but themselves to blame for his death.

I thought exactly the same but firstly, they are NOT allowed to whip the horses at all - they do it to gain their attention and secondly, why do you think the horses continue to run without their jockey on? Because they love it! I know it's sad to see horses die but that's the risk in the sport...

[SackRace]

I won £440 quite pleased with myself.

[CaptainAce$$]

I thought exactly the same but firstly, they are NOT allowed to whip the horses at all - they do it to gain their attention and secondly, why do you think the horses continue to run without their jockey on? Because they love it! I know it's sad to see horses die but that's the risk in the sport...

Horses continue to run without their jockey because they are trained to do so. Any horse that is trained, will do the only thing it knows how to and thats to keep on running no matter what happens.

[AlexHenry]

Horses continue to run without their jockey because they are trained to do so. Any horse that is trained, will do the only thing it knows how to and thats to keep on running no matter what happens.

Correct, but if they didn't like doing it then they wouldn't continue to run.

[CaptainAce$$]

Correct, but if they didn't like doing it then they wouldn't continue to run.

Horses follow each other in the wild. It's natural instinct to A) Do as its trained to do and B) Follow it's 'herd' in this case the herd was the rest of the racers. It didn't run it for fun nor cause it 'enjoyed' it. It did it because naturally, horses like to keep in a herd.

[Glen Coco]

Horses follow each other in the wild. It's natural instinct to A) Do as its trained to do and B) Follow it's 'herd' in this case the herd was the rest of the racers. It didn't run it for fun nor cause it 'enjoyed' it. It did it because naturally, horses like to keep in a herd.

Have you ever ridden a horse?
if a horse didn't want to jump you wouldn't be able to get it to jump, simple as.

if you're going to ban horse racing why don 't you ban fishing at the same time?
and horse riding in general for that matter, any type of horse riding can result in injury.
Oh and football? there's been quite a few cardiac arrests recently hasn't there, why don't we jut ban that as well?
how about Crufts? the dogs clearly hate that, ban it. they could fall over and hurt themselves.
and the olympics maybe? because someone might get hurt.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WISHES TO BAN BECAUSE IT HAS A RISK?

[AlexJRiley]

I won £440 quite pleased with myself.

Well done Ross

[AlexHenry]

Horses follow each other in the wild. It's natural instinct to A) Do as its trained to do and B) Follow it's 'herd' in this case the herd was the rest of the racers. It didn't run it for fun nor cause it 'enjoyed' it. It did it because naturally, horses like to keep in a herd.

As the other user said, you would not be able to get it to jump if it didn't want to but I see where you're coming from.

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Have you ever ridden a horse?
if a horse didn't want to jump you wouldn't be able to get it to jump, simple as.

if you're going to ban horse racing why don 't you ban fishing at the same time?
and horse riding in general for that matter, any type of horse riding can result in injury.
Oh and football? there's been quite a few cardiac arrests recently hasn't there, why don't we jut ban that as well?
how about Crufts? the dogs clearly hate that, ban it. they could fall over and hurt themselves.
and the olympics maybe? because someone might get hurt.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WISHES TO BAN BECAUSE IT HAS A RISK?

Totally agree with you! :)

[SackRace]

Well done Ross

thanks m8 =]

[Adam]

Horses continue to run without their jockey because they are trained to do so. Any horse that is trained, will do the only thing it knows how to and thats to keep on running no matter what happens.

Dogs are trained not to piss on the carpet.

[beth]

horses have free will as much as any other living creature does, that is why horses refuse to jump sometimes. do the jockeys FORCE them over the jumps? no. if a horse refuses then they're out of the race, they don't get shot for that. THAT would be cruel. if a horse really hated racing/jumping/whatever it would refuse to start.

they are shot/destroyed (not sure how it happens any more) for their own good.

[Glen Coco]

oh btw, whoever here is preaching about how cruel horse racing is, i hope that you're vegetarians because the way which animals are kept and their lifestlye (and they way in which they're killed) is a LOT worse than a race horse.
race horses probably have a far better life style then a normal, domestic horse. so whoever said 'he was pushed until he was staring death in the face'; erm no, he most likely had a great life. it just happened that he fell and must have broken something so the kindest thing to do was kill him before he began to feel the pain.
Jockeys are only allowed to hit the horses something like 5 times throughout the race, most of the flapping is to create the sound of the whip to encourage the horses to go forward. if you look, it's usually used before a jump or towards the end of the race to try to keep the horses going.
it is sad that two of them died, and how horses die all the time in races and other events but at the end of the day every sport comes with a risk.
although i don't think it's the course that's the problem; it's the number of horses which race. if you notice, at the start when it's almost like a stampede a lot more of the horses fall.

[Jordy]

Another year has passed where people jump on the bandwagon and get overly excited over a cruel, disgusting, inhumane sport. I didn't used to mind it, but after seeing the horses die, and after seeing them being whipped year on year, I just don't think it's justified when people get so hyped up over it. Yes, people think it's amazing because money is involved, but you're doing it at the expense of lives and that's just wrong. Shameful.I hope you're a vegetarian then. The horses were bred to race and then die. How's that any different to chickens, cows, pigs?

Infact I bet that horse was treated better than any animal you've ever eaten.

I won £3 on Seabass

Edit: You also need to grow up massively. I -repped you for not adding constructively to the thread, I mean was there any need to bring up your complaints about the Grand National in this post? It's incredibly juvenile to -rep me with the same message within 2 minutes yet not even have the courtesy to reply to the thread. Not encountered such patheticness on this forum for years, probably because above all you're a cowardly hypocrite.

[David]

horses have free will as much as any other living creature does, that is why horses refuse to jump sometimes. do the jockeys FORCE them over the jumps? no. if a horse refuses then they're out of the race, they don't get shot for that. THAT would be cruel. if a horse really hated racing/jumping/whatever it would refuse to start.

they are shot/destroyed (not sure how it happens any more) for their own good.

I believe they get euthanised

[beth]

is it ironic that i've been a vegetarian since birth and i am completely fine with horse racing? infact i think the horses involved in horse racing have far happier lives than other horses.

[Jordy]

is it ironic that i've been a vegetarian since birth and i am completely fine with horse racing? infact i think the horses involved in horse racing have far happier lives than other horses.I have been a vegetarian for 9 years and also have no problem with it, I'm happy to bet on it.

Still can't believe Mathew has the audacity to go through this thread -repping in revenge but refuses to reply.

[Mathew]

I have been a vegetarian for 9 years and also have no problem with it, I'm happy to bet on it.

Still can't believe Mathew has the audacity to go through this thread -repping in revenge but refuses to reply.

Only you, dear. :)

After reading a few replies, I can see the other point of view: I'm not that narrow-minded to go down one route. If they're bred specifically to race then indeed, it's no different to eating chicken. What pains me is the animal-like attitude that people take to it - egging the horses on and simply not batting an eye-lid if one dies. It's the greedy nature of it which makes me sit back and take an alternative stance. I think it's more of a personal, moral opinion than something against the whole sport, but I still don't support it either way.

[Jordy]

Only you, dear. :)

After reading a few replies, I can see the other point of view: I'm not that narrow-minded to go down one route. If they're bred specifically to race then indeed, it's no different to eating chicken. What pains me is the animal-like attitude that people take to it - egging the horses on and simply not batting an eye-lid if one dies. It's the greedy nature of it which makes me sit back and take an alternative stance. I think it's more of a personal, moral opinion than something against the whole sport, but I still don't support it either way.Nice attempt to belittle me once again by referring to me as "dear" and putting kisses on a -rep comment, it doesn't strengthen your argument by trying to be condescending, it just goes to show what a poor argument you really have.

I'm glad to see you have climbed off your high horse however (Although I'd rather have you seen you fall off). If you really had a "personal, moral opinion" about it you'd be against much more than just a whole sport, you would be a vegan (And seeing as you've avoided the vegetarian and vegan comments, I think its fair to say you are neither, merely a once a year pest trolling a thread). I don't think there's anyone who hasn't batted an eye lid if one dies and "egging the horses on" is inevitable in horse racing. I'm sure anyone who placed money on a horse in any race would egg on their horse. You said you didn't agree with the Grand National at all previously.

[Mathew]

Nice attempt to belittle me once again by referring to me as "dear" and putting kisses on a -rep comment, it doesn't strengthen your argument by trying to be condescending, it just goes to show what a poor argument you really have.

I'm glad to see you have climbed off your high horse however (Although I'd rather have you seen you fall off). If you really had a "personal, moral opinion" about it you'd be against much more than just a whole sport, you would be a vegan (And seeing as you've avoided the vegetarian and vegan comments, I think its fair to say you are neither, merely a once a year pest trolling a thread). I don't think there's anyone who hasn't batted an eye lid if one dies and "egging the horses on" is inevitably in horse racing. I'm sure anyone who placed money on a horse in any race would egg on their horse. You said you didn't agree with the Grand National at all previously.

Poor argument? It's called an opinion. You have yours and I've respected that, although you've always had a bee in your bonnet with my posts so it's a lost cause attempting to debate with you. I don't agree with horse racing because I don't gamble and I don't wish to support something which is overrated and cruel. What you do is your problem, not mine, although I don't come in here and accuse you of being a troll just because it's a different stance. :)

[Adam]

My God just shut up.

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[Glen Coco]

Only you, dear. :)

After reading a few replies, I can see the other point of view: I'm not that narrow-minded to go down one route. If they're bred specifically to race then indeed, it's no different to eating chicken. What pains me is the animal-like attitude that people take to it - egging the horses on and simply not batting an eye-lid if one dies. It's the greedy nature of it which makes me sit back and take an alternative stance. I think it's more of a personal, moral opinion than something against the whole sport, but I still don't support it either way.


are you a vegetarian then?

[Mathew]

are you a vegetarian then?

We've already addressed this issue.. :rolleyes: I just had a delicious roast chicken for dinner.

[Adam]

We've already addressed this issue.. :rolleyes: I just had a delicious roast chicken for dinner.

How did you eat a full roast chicken you'd be sick.

[Mathew]

How did you eat a full roast chicken you'd be sick.
Ha, just a leg along with some potatoes and carrots!

[beth]

that chicken was living a long and illustrious life when someone (egged on by greedy souls and moneymakers no doubt) killed that chicken and now people have profited from it's death and enjoyed their meal and are looking forward to the next chicken dinner.

[Mathew]

that chicken was living a long and illustrious life when someone (egged on by greedy souls and moneymakers no doubt) killed that chicken and now people have profited from it's death and enjoyed their meal and are looking forward to the next chicken dinner.
..and damn it was nice. ;)

[Adam]

that chicken was living a long and illustrious life when someone (egged on by greedy souls and moneymakers no doubt) killed that chicken and now people have profited from it's death and enjoyed their meal and are looking forward to the next chicken dinner.

and for someone to eat a full one out of nothing more than pure greed is astonishing #baneatingchicken

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[beth]

..and damn it was nice. ;)

and so was the horse race!

[Mathew]

and so was the horse race!

You have your horse race, I'll have my chicken. HORSE KILLER.

[Glen Coco]

..and damn it was nice. ;)

*REMOVED*
why is it fair that you have a go saying that horse racing is cruel (even though the horses enjoy it) but then sit there eating a chicken that's been bred so all that it knows is artificial calories and pain and has been killed inhumanely?

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[Adam]

so you're admitting you're an immature hypocrite?
why is it fair that you have a go saying that horse racing is cruel (even though the horses enjoy it) but then sit there eating a chicken that's been bred so all that it knows is artificial calories and pain and has been killed inhumanely?
'cos he's mint obvs.

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[AlexHenry]

oh btw, whoever here is preaching about how cruel horse racing is, i hope that you're vegetarians because the way which animals are kept and their lifestlye (and they way in which they're killed) is a LOT worse than a race horse.
race horses probably have a far better life style then a normal, domestic horse. so whoever said 'he was pushed until he was staring death in the face'; erm no, he most likely had a great life. it just happened that he fell and must have broken something so the kindest thing to do was kill him before he began to feel the pain.
Jockeys are only allowed to hit the horses something like 5 times throughout the race, most of the flapping is to create the sound of the whip to encourage the horses to go forward. if you look, it's usually used before a jump or towards the end of the race to try to keep the horses going.
it is sad that two of them died, and how horses die all the time in races and other events but at the end of the day every sport comes with a risk.
although i don't think it's the course that's the problem; it's the number of horses which race. if you notice, at the start when it's almost like a stampede a lot more of the horses fall.

Jockeys are not actually allowed to whip their horses at all, if they do then they are disqualified from the race.

[Glen Coco]

'cos he's mint obvs.

OH AND JUST TO MENTION MONEY.
the chicken that you just ate was bred and raised purely for profit; race horses are not bred entirely for profit.

[Ed.]

Race Horses are often not even profitable. The majority of horse race owners do it because they love horses and they love the racing and the atmosphere. Yes, you get £975,000 if your horse wins the grand national, but think about all the money spent on the horse.

[Glen Coco]

Jockeys are not actually allowed to whip their horses at all, if they do then they are disqualified from the race.

I swear they are? there was a close up slow-motion of the jockey on the grey horse (that i think won?) hitting the horse on the shoulder...

[beth]

you are allowed to whip the horse a certain amount of times. but like i said previously it's very rarely actually HITTING the horse, it's usually the riders boots or the saddle. the sound/action is the stimulant to the horse rather than the pain.

[Glen Coco]

Race Horses are often not even profitable. The majority of horse race owners do it because they love horses and they love the racing and the atmosphere. Yes, you get £975,000 if your horse wins the grand national, but think about all the money spent on the horse.

exactly. I don't think all of these people saying how badly the horses are treated realise how much effort and time goes into training and horse, let alone the expenses.
no one would go to that much effort for something that they didn't love.

[Ed.]

exactly. I don't think all of these people saying how badly the horses are treated realise how much effort and time goes into training and horse, let alone the expenses.
no one would go to that much effort for something that they didn't love.

Horse races are actually the best kept animals. They have fortunes spent on their grooming, they have round the clock vets etc.

They are better kept than many humans!

[Adam]

ITT: Mathew gets burnt.

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[Glen Coco]

ITT: Mathew gets burnt.

love how he wasn't replied!!!

[Mathew]

ITT: Mathew gets burnt.
Oh I know my argument sucks when comparing it to the fact I eat meat, but I still don't like it! :P


love how he wasn't replied!!!
Clearly true.

[Glen Coco]

Oh I know my argument sucks when comparing it to the fact I eat meat, but I still don't like it! :P


Clearly true.

it was until you replied.
why are you still trying to argue your point if you know it's wrong?

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[Mathew]

it was until you replied.
why are you still trying to argue your point if you know it's wrong?

An opinion can never be wrong. Grow up.

[Glen Coco]

An opinion can never be wrong. Grow up.

'grow up' says the one calling the grand national cruel yet eats meat...

[beth]

WHAT. am i losing the plot or is a metaphor about eating chicken being the same as betting on a horse than dies completely related to this thread.

[Glen Coco]

WHAT. am i losing the plot or is a metaphor about eating chicken being the same as betting on a horse than dies completely related to this thread.

it is!
ONTOPIC: i like horses

[Lee]

Gutted for the horses that died, it's a shame and I disagree with it.

[CaptainAce$$]

Have you ever ridden a horse?
if a horse didn't want to jump you wouldn't be able to get it to jump, simple as.

if you're going to ban horse racing why don 't you ban fishing at the same time?
and horse riding in general for that matter, any type of horse riding can result in injury.
Oh and football? there's been quite a few cardiac arrests recently hasn't there, why don't we jut ban that as well?
how about Crufts? the dogs clearly hate that, ban it. they could fall over and hurt themselves.
and the olympics maybe? because someone might get hurt.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE WISHES TO BAN BECAUSE IT HAS A RISK?

LOL, As it happens I do ride horses. I have done for 14 years. You can force a horse to jump with the use of a whip because a horse trusts you. Therefore it sees you as the 'leader'. Im not saying ban it am I? Your the one that is bringing 'banning' it into the mix. Im merely saying they don't always enjoy doing it but they do it because they are a herd animal. They don't wanna be left behind in the field, horses stick together in herds. Once the jockey is removed, 9 times out of 10 they continue because a horse on its own in the wild is unsafe. Btw, a broken leg can be attempted to be fixed. It'll just take a long long time and might have complications such as an abscess and in some cases, laminitis.

[Glen Coco]

LOL, As it happens I do ride horses. I have done for 14 years. You can force a horse to jump with the use of a whip because a horse trusts you. Therefore it sees you as the 'leader'. Im not saying ban it am I? Your the one that is bringing 'banning' it into the mix. Im merely saying they don't always enjoy doing it but they do it because they are a herd animal. They don't wanna be left behind in the field, horses stick together in herds. Once the jockey is removed, 9 times out of 10 they continue because a horse on its own in the wild is unsafe. Btw, a broken leg can be attempted to be fixed. It'll just take a long long time and might have complications such as an abscess and in some cases, laminitis.

in the long run, trying to fix the leg can be crueller to the horse in the long run.
and no, just because you whip a horse does not mean that they horse is going to go it.
and even if the horse was running because it wanted to stay in a herd, it wouldn't bother to jump all of the jumps.

[CaptainAce$$]

in the long run, trying to fix the leg can be crueller to the horse in the long run.
and no, just because you whip a horse does not mean that they horse is going to go it.
and even if the horse was running because it wanted to stay in a herd, it wouldn't bother to jump all of the jumps.

You run for 4 and half miles, you jump the huge jumps and you break your leg. See how fun it is then.
I am not going to continue this argument as you clearly do not know that much about horses therefore it is no good for me to explain to you about them. At the end of the day, a life is a life. Weather it be a horse or humans.


P.s, There are such things as pain killers that can be given to a recovering horse and I am not saying, putting down is cruel. All im saying is horses die in this race and it should be made much more safe then it is.

[Glen Coco]

You run for 4 and half miles, you jump the huge jumps and you break your leg. See how fun it is then.
I am not going to continue this argument as you clearly do not know that much about horses therefore it is no good for me to explain to you about them. At the end of the day, a life is a life. Weather it be a horse or humans.

lol ok then. i don't know anything about horses clearly.
if you're willing to keep a horse alive when it's in an incredible amount of pain then you don't deserve to set foot next to one, let alone get on it or own one. you're just cruel.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I am fed up of this "the horses don't have a choice" well of course, they are horses. The horses don't have a choice to race thats true, but neither do the cows, pigs and sheep on your dinner plates.

Three other points,

- Horses race and jump in the wild, often resulting in broken limbs and agony as there is nobody to put them down immediately like at the Grand National.
- If horse racing were banned tommorow, thousands upon thousands of horses around this country would have to be put down as they would no longer serve a purpose.
- A great deal of people, thousands, depend on horse racing for a livelihood. That also includes rural communities.

On a side note, I used to live on the estate just next to the Grand National. :P

[GirlNextDoor15]

Why some of you guys are betting cause you like the name etc.? I mean my father likes to gamble and one of the things he has gambled is horse racing. He has won a lot of bets and for some reason, he said it's not that hard to win one cause apparently, he analyze the previous results etc..

[Adam]

Why some of you guys are betting cause you like the name etc.? I mean my father likes to gamble and one of the things he has gambled is horse racing. He has won a lot of bets and for some reason, he said it's not that hard to win one cause apparently, he analyze the previous results etc..

When there's 44 horses in a race you don't know who's going to win. 33-1 horse won it - did your magical future telling father predict that? No. It's called gambling, not winning.

[Glen Coco]

You run for 4 and half miles, you jump the huge jumps and you break your leg. See how fun it is then.
I am not going to continue this argument as you clearly do not know that much about horses therefore it is no good for me to explain to you about them. At the end of the day, a life is a life. Weather it be a horse or humans.


P.s, There are such things as pain killers that can be given to a recovering horse and I am not saying, putting down is cruel. All im saying is horses die in this race and it should be made much more safe then it is.

love how it was probably you gave me -rep for being clueless but you're the one saying you can give a horse painkillers for a broken leg?
erm.. no, it'll never heal as horses need to be up, they can't lie down all the time, and if they're stood up it's going to make the leg worse.
it's not the jumps that are unsafe, it used to be a lot worse and there's no evidence that there was a greater number of horses that died, it's the number of horses that run in the race.
oh and if you can get a horse to jump by whipping it you've clearly been riding riding school horses who do grammatically anything you ask them.
trying riding a 'real' horse then get back to me
XXXOXOXOXOXOXOX

[Cerys]

Laughing at half of the pathetic arguments in this thread xD

I always have and will think horse racing is cruel. Eating meat does not relate to horse racing at all - those animals are practically part of the food chain, where as horse racing it just wrong. If you see what I mean.

Really sorry for the horses that died! (Not sure if there was more than one)

[Glen Coco]

Laughing at half of the pathetic arguments in this thread xD

I always have and will think horse racing is cruel. Eating meat does not relate to horse racing at all - those animals are practically part of the food chain, where as horse racing it just wrong. If you see what I mean.

Really sorry for the horses that died! (Not sure if there was more than one)

and how does horse racing not relate to eating meat?
it's still humans killing animals, yet it's ok?

[Cerys]

and how does horse racing not relate to eating meat?
it's still humans killing animals, yet it's ok?

Hm, its my opinion - stop trying to cause arguments out of everyones opinions :) its so annoying, and people will turn against you if you keep at it. :)

[CaptainAce$$]

Hm, its my opinion - stop trying to cause arguments out of everyones opinions :) its so annoying, and people will turn against you if you keep at it. :)

You just said what I've been wanting to say to this user however, I didn't want to seem as if I was retaliating. + Rep for you Cerys (:

[Adam]

Hm, its my opinion - stop trying to cause arguments out of everyones opinions :) its so annoying, and people will turn against you if you keep at it. :)

she's right tho.

[beth]

Hm, its my opinion - stop trying to cause arguments out of everyones opinions :) its so annoying, and people will turn against you if you keep at it. :)


You just said what I've been wanting to say to this user however, I didn't want to seem as if I was retaliating. + Rep for you Cerys (:

no cerys people turned against you for lying about having an eating disorder not because you voiced yr opinions.

people are ALLOWED to have opinions however when they don't back them up with facts and statistics and another person can challenge yr opinion with said information yr opinion becomes inferior as you choose not to be educated.

[CaptainAce$$]

no cerys people turned against you for lying about having an eating disorder not because you voiced yr opinions.

people are ALLOWED to have opinions however when they don't back them up with facts and statistics and another person can challenge yr opinion with said information yr opinion becomes inferior as you choose not to be educated.

An opinion can end up with an argument though also, which means it can get out of hand. People can have opinions but sometimes, people say them in the most 'stuck' up manner.


Btw Zedda, Yes I do ride riding school horses but they are not push buttons ponies. They are horses and ponies with major bolting, bucking and general stubborness. I don't know why you bring riding school horses into this as we are talking about racehorses here, aka thoroughbred's who 'trust' the jockey upon their backs enough to do as they ask. If you really knew about horses and horseriding, you would know horsemanship and riding is based on trust.

[Cerys]

no cerys people turned against you for lying about having an eating disorder not because you voiced yr opinions.

people are ALLOWED to have opinions however when they don't back them up with facts and statistics and another person can challenge yr opinion with said information yr opinion becomes inferior as you choose not to be educated.

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[beth]

Firstly, I never said I had an eating disorder xD
Also, what relevance does the first paragraph have with what I said...?
Bethie, did you really read any of his/hers arguments? They caused them on practically everyones opinions that I read. It was getting ridiculous.

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[Cerys]

yeah hun i did read the opinions hence why my comments are there about 6 pages previous to this.............

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[Kasabian]

Cba reading the thread;

Horses bred for racing. Horses die. Sob Sob.

/thread.

[beth]

Mk so why did you bring up the first paragraph? Is it just to accuse me of something that I haven't don't, and call me a liar again - just to make me feel like rubbish? Because its not very nice what you are doing. :)

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[The Don]

Mk so why did you bring up the first paragraph? Is it just to accuse me of something that I haven't don't, and call me a liar again - just to make me feel like rubbish? Because its not very nice what you are doing. :)

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[GirlNextDoor15]

Mk so why did you bring up the first paragraph? Is it just to accuse me of something that I haven't don't, and call me a liar again - just to make me feel like rubbish? Because its not very nice what you are doing. :)
not really convinced youre a liar but i think you just enjoy being uneducated and naive.

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