PirateBay block in UK by ISPs, court rules

[efq]

All I can say is that it'll be useless, unless you have no brains to get around.


File-sharing site The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK internet service providers, the High Court has ruled.

The Swedish website hosts links to download mostly-pirated, free music and video.

Sky, Everything Everywhere, TalkTalk, O2 and Virgin Media must all prevent their users from accessing the site.

"Sites like The Pirate Bay destroy jobs in the UK and undermine investment in new British artists," the British Phonographic Industry (BPI) said.

The BPI's chief executive Geoff Taylor said: "The High Court has confirmed that The Pirate Bay infringes copyright on a massive scale.
"Its operators line their pockets by commercially exploiting music and other creative works without paying a penny to the people who created them.
"This is wrong - musicians, sound engineers and video editors deserve to be paid for their work just like everyone else."

Virgin Media told the BBC they will comply with the request, but warned such measures are, in the long term, somewhat ineffective.
"As a responsible ISP, Virgin Media complies with court orders addressed to the company but strongly believes that changing consumer behaviour to tackle copyright infringement also needs compelling legal alternatives, such as our agreement with Spotify, to give consumers access to great content at the right price."http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17894176

[beth]

think virgin media have it totally spot on, there should be education and incentives to promote LEGAL downloading rather than just blocking off all illegal sources and thinking that'll force people into paying money, because it won't.

[peteyt]

The problem I think is this - Courts, the music, film etc. industry are spending so many time taking down sites when if they really want to stop it I think they should target the actual people uploading the illegal stuff. The problem is if you block one illegal site you just lead to another being launched and they can't keep up.

Obviously both ways won't stop illegal downloading but there's a lot of key teams out there that have been distributing illegal stuff including also cracked applications and games for ages. By blocking sites it just means that they will end up moving to another site. My worry is by forcing them to move to another site, they may end up uploading stuff on a site that doesn't tolerate illegal downloads - I mean look at YouTube it keeps removing stuff when asked to yet it's still being fined - what would happen if this happened to a small site just wanting to let people to upload legal stuff.

[efq]

The problem I think is this - Courts, the music, film etc. industry are spending so many time taking down sites when if they really want to stop it I think they should target the actual people uploading the illegal stuff. The problem is if you block one illegal site you just lead to another being launched and they can't keep up.

Obviously both ways won't stop illegal downloading but there's a lot of key teams out there that have been distributing illegal stuff including also cracked applications and games for ages. By blocking sites it just means that they will end up moving to another site. My worry is by forcing them to move to another site, they may end up uploading stuff on a site that doesn't tolerate illegal downloads - I mean look at YouTube it keeps removing stuff when asked to yet it's still being fined - what would happen if this happened to a small site just wanting to let people to upload legal stuff.
It's like impossible to take TPB down. The biggest nations and courts have tried but it's just impossible.

And I'm sure I heard that it isn't illegal in Sweden and seeing as they're mainly hosted there, therefore the US and rest of the world have no right or jurisdiction to take action over them. It's Sweden's job.

Anyone TPB is just an directory, it just actually store files does it?

[xxMATTGxx]

It's like impossible to take TPB down. The biggest nations and courts have tried but it's just impossible.

And I'm sure I heard that it isn't illegal in Sweden and seeing as they're mainly hosted there, therefore the US and rest of the world have no right or jurisdiction to take action over them. It's Sweden's job.

Anyone TPB is just an directory, it just actually store files does it?

No the actual content isn't hosted or stored by them. There will be ways around the block via proxies, VPN's and whatever else.

[efq]

No the actual content isn't hosted or stored by them. There will be ways around the block via proxies, VPN's and whatever else.
^Sorry I mean't "it doesn't store files etc"

Yup exactly, knowing TPB, they will provide some tool or method easy to everybody on how to avoid it. That's if you don't know, which most people do already.

[Recursion]

It's like impossible to take TPB down. The biggest nations and courts have tried but it's just impossible.

And I'm sure I heard that it isn't illegal in Sweden and seeing as they're mainly hosted there, therefore the US and rest of the world have no right or jurisdiction to take action over them. It's Sweden's job.

Anyone TPB is just an directory, it just actually store files does it?

TPB is just a directory and only provides links. It's also hosted around the world in multiple countries and no one knows exactly where all the pirate bay servers are.

Either way, this is an appalling decision and I hope some of the larger players will fight it, it's ridiculous to think this will stop piracy. The media industry are a) stuck so far in the past and b) so far up their own asses that they're slowly killing themselves.

[efq]

ISP's never have wanted to block piracy sites, hence why they never have by their own decision. It always takes the high court to force them to do it, and as respectable companies, they agree.

But they know better than anybody that doing this is pointless, hence why most of the leading ISP's comment on how such action would be a waste of time and only cause the ISP's problems with their customers.

[peteyt]

TPB is just a directory and only provides links. It's also hosted around the world in multiple countries and no one knows exactly where all the pirate bay servers are.

Either way, this is an appalling decision and I hope some of the larger players will fight it, it's ridiculous to think this will stop piracy. The media industry are a) stuck so far in the past and b) so far up their own asses that they're slowly killing themselves.

This is the problem however - SOPA and other acts want to prevent people who host anything illegal even links. Now at face value this can look okay but when you look into the deeper things - Like I mentioned YouTube of all people is apparently having to pay fines for illegal stuff that was posted on their site.

I'm all for stomping out illegal stuff - but there need's to be some kind of protection for sites who don't actually want people using their site illegally but have a massive audience and can't actually control them fully - I mean this goes back to YouTube I can't remember the exact figure but basically lots of stuff is uploaded onto YouTube every second which means it takes a lot of time for YouTube to actually go through it all and remove the bad stuff.

However - sites like YouTube do have to agree with the law - but the courts should understand how hard it is to monitor everything and they should if anything chase after the people uploading the stuff rather than the service.

I know people will probably be against that - but I kind of think it's the only way - it protects the site at least. I mean I run my own site and under SOPA if someone illegaly posted something on my old forum I could have actually being closed just for that (without even knowing they had posted it).

[Kieran]

How come BT doesn't have to do it? :S

[triston220]

Surely a VPN would just circumvent the block anyway? :P

[Recursion]

How come BT doesn't have to do it? :S

Because they requested a few weeks to look into their options in the case, likelihood is they will be included in this too in a month or so though.


Surely a VPN would just circumvent the block anyway? :P

Any method of tunnelling your traffic (or even just using another DNS provider such as OpenDNS, if this is how they block it) will circumvent it.

[David]

this won't solve anything, tpb is but one of a lot of torrent sites. if people can't get it there, they'll get it somewhere else.

[iBlueBox]

Isn't pirate bay a star network? :S

[Recursion]

Isn't pirate bay a star network? :S

... the entire internet is a star network. What you're looking for is high availability.

[Charlie]

Pointless. You can go after one but there is plenty more out there and there will be plenty more to come. It isn't going to prevent anything, it just means people will just have to find a new site to use.

[Lee]

Bad news really, even though we can still access it illegally it's still shameful on them to be taking this into their own hands. IMO Sweden are responsible for bringing it down - and since it violates no swedish law it should be left.

[Mikey]

It is wrong but it's a way of life at the moment, people will find a way around it - even I do it, doesn't make me a bad person. Btw I had to post this comment from that news article. it made me laugh


Close it down now!! These sites fund the drugs trade, terrorism & pornography.

Anyone using these sites should be charged as an accomplice to murder!!!

[Recursion]

Bad news really, even though we can still access it illegally it's still shameful on them to be taking this into their own hands. IMO Sweden are responsible for bringing it down - and since it violates no swedish law it should be left.

There's nothing illegal about going on ThePirateBay.

[peteyt]

There's nothing illegal about going on ThePirateBay.

If they ban it won't it be illegal to access it just like it's illegal to get uncut versions of films that are partly banned in the country

[Recursion]

If they ban it won't it be illegal to access it just like it's illegal to get uncut versions of films that are partly banned in the country

No. They're simply telling ISPs to block it, it's not like it's child pornography or something.

[HotelUser]

I don't get to brag about how Canada is superior in the technology industry very often (mostly because of tweedle dee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_In_Motion), tweedle dum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nortel) and tweedle dummer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Canada)), so I'm going to savour this glorious moment and mention that I am very happy to be Canadian right about now.

[xxMATTGxx]

I don't get to brag about how Canada is superior in the technology industry very often (mostly because of tweedle dee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_In_Motion), tweedle dum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nortel) and tweedle dummer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Canada)), so I'm going to savour this glorious moment and mention that I am very happy to be Canadian right about now.

Come back and say that again when the UK internet is more like China, at the moment this is nothing. Plus it's one torrent site that can be easily accessed again.

[Kasabian]

I don't get to brag about how Canada is superior in the technology industry very often (mostly because of tweedle dee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_In_Motion), tweedle dum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nortel) and tweedle dummer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Canada)), so I'm going to savour this glorious moment and mention that I am very happy to be Canadian right about now.

y u still alive?

Obvious post is obvious - there will always be work arounds and alternatives.

[HotelUser]

y u still alive?

Obvious post is obvious - there will always be work arounds and alternatives.


Come back and say that again when the UK internet is more like China, at the moment this is nothing. Plus it's one torrent site that can be easily accessed again.

Yes and now you have to use them and I do not ;)

[David]

I don't get to brag about how Canada is superior in the technology industry very often (mostly because of tweedle dee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_In_Motion), tweedle dum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nortel) and tweedle dummer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Canada)), so I'm going to savour this glorious moment and mention that I am very happy to be Canadian right about now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c

Piratebay is not going anywhere.

[HotelUser]

Piratebay is not going anywhere.

Nobody said it was going anywhere, and nobody ever should, ever (http://www.beritai.com/blog/2012/03/23/pirate-bay-will-put-the-server-in-space/).

[xxMATTGxx]

Yes and now you have to use them and I do not ;)

Well actually I don't.

[HotelUser]

Well actually I don't.

If what big T says is true:


Because they requested a few weeks to look into their options in the case, likelihood is they will be included in this too in a month or so though.

That might not be the case for very long!

[Recursion]

If what big T says is true:



That might not be the case for very long!

It's not exactly difficult to set your router/computer to use another DNS server (assuming this is how they do it).

[xxMATTGxx]

If what big T says is true:



That might not be the case for very long!

Well no because you haven't taken into the fact that I don't actually use that website.

[HotelUser]

It's not exactly difficult to set your router/computer to use another DNS server (assuming this is how they do it).

Never said it was hard once, but it is stupid to have to in the first place.

[xxMATTGxx]

Never said it was hard once, but it is stupid to have to in the first place.

Doesn't mean you can brag about your country over the matter :P

[HotelUser]

Doesn't mean you can brag about your country over the matter :P

Yes it does, Canada can access Pirate Bay freely therefore Canada is clearly the best country on Earth. We also have much better bacon than everyone else.

[xxMATTGxx]

Yes it does, Canada can access Pirate Bay freely therefore Canada is clearly the best country on Earth. We also have much better bacon than everyone else.

So can the United Kingdom. Just because they have been ordered to block it, doesn't mean we won't be able to access it.

[Recursion]

Yes it does, Canada can access Pirate Bay freely therefore Canada is clearly the best country on Earth. We also have much better bacon than everyone else.

Why are Canadians so scared of the dark? O_o

lol, anyway, it's only a few ISPs, there are plenty others who won't be affected.

[HotelUser]

So can the United Kingdom. Just because they have been ordered to block it, doesn't mean we won't be able to access it.

Clearly it means you will be thrown in prison for life if you access it, and you totally haven't considered the bacon aspects of my previous post.

[xxMATTGxx]

Clearly it means you will be thrown in prison for life if you access it, and you totally haven't considered the bacon aspects of my previous post.

Come back to me when you have better mobile phone networks. Nothing wrong with BRITISH bacon :P

[HotelUser]

Come back to me when you have better mobile phone networks. Nothing wrong with BRITISH bacon.

Hey.

We have RIM which just started doing stuff (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=746722) for the very first time in six years, clearly more important than phone companies! So you're throwing bacon off the table? Fine, then I'm inviting a new party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Bieber) for dinner.

P.S.

http://assets0.wordansassets.com/wordansfiles/images/2009/7/20/20428/20428_340.jpg?1258088400

[xxMATTGxx]

Hey.

We have RIM which just started doing stuff (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=746722) for the very first time in like six years, clearly more important than phone companies! So you're throwing bacon off the table? Fine, then I'm inviting a new party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Bieber) for dinner.

P.S.

http://assets0.wordansassets.com/wordansfiles/images/2009/7/20/20428/20428_340.jpg?1258088400

Only took them 6 years! This may not even be a success for them yet. In regards of your link, he moved to the United States now! ;)

[HotelUser]

Only took them 6 years! This may not even be a success for them yet. In regards of your link, he moved to the United States now! ;)

He moved to the United States because his lover is American, not Canadian or from Great Britain ;)

OT: Pirate Bay is a cool website.

[David]

He moved to the United States because his lover is American, not Canadian or from Great Britain ;)

OT: Pirate Bay is a cool website.

http://strangebeaver.com/gallery/albums/uploads/memes/meanwhile/meanwhile_in_canada.jpg

ot: when are these isp changes taking place pls

[Recursion]

http://iamkio.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/demotivational-meanwhile-in-canada.jpg
on topic: Ridiculous changes, I hope someone manages to change the high courts' decision.

[HotelUser]

http://strangebeaver.com/gallery/albums/uploads/memes/meanwhile/meanwhile_in_canada.jpg

ot: when are these isp changes taking place pls

Notice how happy they look in the photo and look how much water Canada has being shown off in the photo


http://iamkio.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/demotivational-meanwhile-in-canada.jpg
on topic: Ridiculous changes, I hope someone manages to change the high courts' decision.

Notice how the steering wheel is on the correct side of the vehicle ;)

On Topic:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lya9f06cFW1qexpu1o1_500.gif

[efq]

-CRIES-

http://www.mattgarner.net/upload/images/r7PJ.png

[dirrty]

-CRIES-

http://www.mattgarner.net/upload/images/r7PJ.png
damn, was working yesterday aswell haha. ahwell, still plenty more sites out there

[Recursion]

damn, was working yesterday aswell haha. ahwell, still plenty more sites out there

Or just get around it, not difficult.

[David]

interesting indeed.

http://icap.me/i/0DVeng08gR.png

also, this is not stopping piracy. PirateBay reports 12m traffic increase

[efq]

^what proxy you using?

lmao i just used hide my*** which worked perfectly, movie downloaded in 5 minutes ;]

Use any proxy, simple.

[David]

^what proxy you using?

lmao i just used hide my*** which worked perfectly, movie downloaded in 5 minutes ;]

Use any proxy, simple.

i stick with proxy.org, nice collection on there.

[Recursion]

^what proxy you using?

lmao i just used hide my*** which worked perfectly, movie downloaded in 5 minutes ;]

Use any proxy, simple.

Perfect example of why blocking anything on the internet is a lost cause.

[efq]

Anybody who's blocked who wants to access the main site, use this link (http://www.thefacebookproxy.com/browse.php?u=Oi8vdGhlcGlyYXRlYmF5LnNlLw%3D%3D&b=31) if you cba to find a proxy. That's a proxy, just a link to a setup to tpb.

[dirrty]

just makes me wonder - are those who are pushing/pushed for this, aware how easy it is to get around these blocking methods? or that there'll always be plenty of alternatives? like, surely they can't be that clueless - as it's basically just a waste of time, effort and money on their (and our) part?

[David]

nice article on the pirate bays thoughts

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-enjoys-12-million-traffic-boost-shares-unblocking-tips-120502/

[Recursion]

just makes me wonder - are those who are pushing/pushed for this, aware how easy it is to get around these blocking methods? or that there'll always be plenty of alternatives? like, surely they can't be that clueless - as it's basically just a waste of time, effort and money on their (and our) part?

People know nothing about technology, this is why having a load of 40 - 60 year olds in government right now doesn't work too well.

[xxMATTGxx]

just makes me wonder - are those who are pushing/pushed for this, aware how easy it is to get around these blocking methods? or that there'll always be plenty of alternatives? like, surely they can't be that clueless - as it's basically just a waste of time, effort and money on their (and our) part?

Well it's been mentioned time and time again that we will always be one step ahead of them. This was mentioned back when that Digital Economy Act 2010 was getting pushed through.

[Jack!]

Anyone know if its blocked with DNS or if its deeper?

Cba to change my DNS to check.

EDIT; yay


While the above options will cut straight through any kind of blocking with zero problems, Pirate Bay are also advising people to change their DNS provider. By permanently switching to a DNS offered by the likes of OpenDNS and Google, users of UK ISPs that censor The Pirate Bay purely by DNS will have a free and effective work around.

EDIT:

Changing DNS Didn't work :(

[The Don]

Don't know if someone's posted a link to get round it but here's one!

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://thepiratebay.se/

[David]

Don't know if someone's posted a link to get round it but here's one!

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://thepiratebay.se/

here's a faster one specific for tpb

http://tpb.pirateparty.org.uk/

[Jack!]

Don't know if someone's posted a link to get round it but here's one!

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://thepiratebay.se/

Or this one; https://tpb.pirateparty.org.uk/

[GommeInc]

A stupid decision and as bethany said, Virgin Media's idea is better - in order to totally eradicate a problem it's better to educate society rather than outright block a website. It teaches those who illegally download absolutely nothing. Is ThePirateBay even a big website for such things now? I always thought it became a useless source, even before it was attacked by Government(s).

This is a clear example of those who are in control not knowing what is actually happening and just going out on a whim. If they really want to tackle this problem, they should be hiring people who are not compeltely stupid and tech-unsavvy,

[Misawa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJKapW8KSs

[Chippiewill]

That video's awesome, I should create a torrent so that people can download that.

[peteyt]

funny thing is sites like BBC news are talking about how people are getting around it mentioning VPS's so those who don't know much about it are being told really how to get around the block

[Recursion]

Despite the blocks, TPB got 12 MILLION extra hits... http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-enjoys-12-million-traffic-boost-shares-unblocking-tips-120502/

[Luke]

hmm.
http://i.imgur.com/A2C1p.jpg

[Chris]

I rarely use tpb anymore, but thanks for the link Jackabee; :P

[N!ck]

Ludicrous decision.

Advert free proxy for TPB. http://www.bayproxy.com