Weed

[Glen Coco]

I keep seeing loads of stuff like oh it's fine for boys to smoke weed but if a girl does it it's duuuurty.
So what's your opinions?

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[buttons]

meh i don't find it dirty i know a range of people that take it all ages/social class, males and females blahhh
does nothing for me and i don't like the smell or taste much, if people are doing it like sitting in a group away from people that's fine but i hate when people blatantly smoke it in the middle of the street. nasty.

[geo]

don't see a problem with it. it's their life and if they wanna do it then that's up to them.
i've been offered it numerous amounts of times and i've declined all the time because i'm such a good girl (A).
i don't really see why others have a problem with people smoking it, as long as they're not near them and stuff then it shouldn't really concern them.

[GirlNextDoor15]

generally, male is the 'dominant' gender and they are tough, rough and strong while female is the opposite of it (thats not my opinion. it's generalisation or whatev).
so, it's perfectly well to imagine males smoking weed while it's a disgrace for a female to smoke weed. it's sexist and the thought itself is selfish and unfair for girls. however, smoking weed is unhealthy for your body and so, i don't really care.

what i care the most is the way people think of each gender and how they think they shouldn't do or should do certain things. for example, oh girls shouldn't be doctors etc. it's weird cause girls can do what boys can do and vice versa but most of the doctors or let's say fashion designers are males. so, the issue is still there although girls should be the 'dominant' gender by now as the number of girls in this planet is exceeding that of boys.

[FlyingJesus]

Literally never seen this opinion stated

[Jurv]

i don't see a problem with it unless they're smoking it in public places. it's their life they can do whatever they want.

[Rozi]

I haven't heard it expressed so strongly but I deffo know where you're coming from. I've heard numerous people say girls are "annoying" when they smoke weed but boys are fine - like what :S obviously it's personality not gender.

I think anyone can smoke weed if they wannnaaaaa

[GirlNextDoor15]

Seeing that you have a poll there now, I voted no one can but the words there aren't right. it should be like 'no one should' because smoking weed is not only unhealthy to your body, it affects your family and society. it leads to the downfall of morality of a country. i understand about the freedom thing and you should be allowed to do whatever you want but where do you draw the line? there must be a limit to everything or else, you, your family and your country will suffer. kay a bit off topic but you don't have to be a genius to really understand the consequences of smoking weed etc. most people don't think much about what they are doing and so, the flaw exists.

[Cerys]

I've personally never done it. I don't see why boys are considered to be allowed to do it though!

It's their lives, let them do what they want.

[Vause]

I've done it a few times only when I'm drinking. Never paid for it. I enjoy it but I'm not one to go out and let it wreck my life.

However I disagree that it's bad for a girl to do it, it's fine for anyone to smoke it if they feel the need too.

[shiver]

absolutely stinks so am against it either way.

[Samantha]

Never done weed, never really seen anyone do it. I think it should be balanced for both men and women though, just like smoking, drinking and swearing in some cases.

[Robbie]

very much for it, anyone can have it if they want.... doesn't affect me whatsoever. wouldn't judge someone over it either

[kasi]

i don't really smoke weed anymore but i think anyone can, your gender doesn't affect you being able to smoke
i've heard the opinion stated a lot of times before though, boys being able to smoke but girls cant
i think it has to do with people thinking that girls should be all proper and stuff and not do bad things idk how to word it

[wixard]

don't see why it should matter to anyone
never heard anyone say anything

only thing i can think of is girl dealers who people criticise as they tend to get ****** over more

[Camy]

I've never heard anyone say that before.

But on the subject of weed, it's no worse than alcohol/cigarettes and noone has ever died from it. You get it drummed into your head from such a young age that it's such a horrible, horrible thing, but it really isn't.

[MKR&*42]

As others have said, never heard anyone say that before lol.

I'm not fussed about whatever gender is doing it. It's there choice to do it + I know about an equal number of women and men who do weed, there doesn't seem to be any dispute between them lol. I wouldn't encourage it and probably won't do it but if they want to take it, so be it.
McDonalds; "Good girl" aha x I joke babe.

[dbgtz]

Weed doesn't bother me at all, no matter who smokes it (unless they become properly dependant on it). What annoys me is seeing these people on Facebook who constantly post themselves smoking it and posting statuses saying "legalise weed" (badly misspelled which really doesn't help their "campaign" to legalise it) as if their Facebook message makes a huge different.

[scott]

absolutely stinks so am against it either way.

this really hate the smell of it so wouldn't want to be with someone smoking it but I do know a few people who smoke it so I don't have much of an issue other than the smell ;l

[FlyingJesus]

What annoys me is seeing these people on Facebook who constantly post themselves smoking it and posting statuses saying "legalise weed" (badly misspelled which really doesn't help their "campaign" to legalise it) as if their Facebook message makes a huge different.

Haha totally, there's nothing more detrimental to a cause than people using ignorance and stupidity to support it, which seems to be what the majority of weed smokers in my experience are/do

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[Mikey]

My opinion on people smoking weed is the exact same with people that smoke. If they want to do it then they can feel free, it's their life and their body. Also I would think it wouldn't matter what gender you are if you smoke weed or not.

[Metric1]

I love a girl who will sit and get high with me. Props to you!

[Adam]

I love a girl who will sit and get high with me. Props to you!

in your car?

[AlexJRiley]

Unpopular opinion.
I don't like weed, i think its pointless and its illegal for a reason. People who smoke are ultimately unattractive and I find it disgusting.

[David]

personally i dont see the appeal in it, i've tried it and it was just meh what's the point? some of my mates do it and it doesn't bother me.


Don't give me that **** about it's a drug it ain't no mother ******* drug, I had done the research, it's just a plant. It's just grows like that. And if you happen to set it on fire, there are some affects. But that's not the same as drugs. Drugs, you got to do **** to it chemically. You got to add baking soda, water stir it up. I don't know the recipe,
I'm just saying.

[FlyingJesus]

Kat Williams is an idiot who is seemingly unaware of the fact that not only do many controlled substances grow naturally, but marijuana itself has been chemically and genetically altered over the decades to create stronger "strains" or ones with slightly different effects, etc. I'm not against it and I don't really think it ought to be a controlled substance, but as I said before campaigning with ignorance is never going to help anything

[le harry]

Seeing that you have a poll there now, I voted no one can but the words there aren't right. it should be like 'no one should' because smoking weed is not only unhealthy to your body, it affects your family and society. it leads to the downfall of morality of a country. i understand about the freedom thing and you should be allowed to do whatever you want but where do you draw the line? there must be a limit to everything or else, you, your family and your country will suffer. kay a bit off topic but you don't have to be a genius to really understand the consequences of smoking weed etc. most people don't think much about what they are doing and so, the flaw exists.

consequences... unhealthy to your body. lol so uneducated. i can name dozens of intellectuals and athletes that have smoked pot in the past. marijuana promotes a lazy lifestyle - not an unhealthy one. it is no different to someone being dependent on alcohol. you shouldn't listen to what they teach you in grade 8 assembly.

[GirlNextDoor15]

consequences... unhealthy to your body. lol so uneducated. i can name dozens of intellectuals and athletes that have smoked pot in the past. marijuana promotes a lazy lifestyle - not an unhealthy one. it is no different to someone being dependent on alcohol. you shouldn't listen to what they teach you in grade 8 assembly.

a lazy lifestyle is an unhealthy lifestyle. can actually imagine how productive a country will be with people practicing such lifestyle.

[dirrty]

Seeing that you have a poll there now, I voted no one can but the words there aren't right. it should be like 'no one should' because smoking weed is not only unhealthy to your body, it affects your family and society. it leads to the downfall of morality of a country. i understand about the freedom thing and you should be allowed to do whatever you want but where do you draw the line? there must be a limit to everything or else, you, your family and your country will suffer. kay a bit off topic but you don't have to be a genius to really understand the consequences of smoking weed etc. most people don't think much about what they are doing and so, the flaw exists.
damn, what you been smoking? talk about going a bit OTT about it all lmao

[GirlNextDoor15]

damn, what you been smoking? talk about going a bit OTT about it all lmao

give me proof that it's not true. there might be hundreds of thousands of people who think we should be allowed to do whatever we want. they just won't think about how dire the consequences can be unless it happens and they'll regret it. it happened to china before (opium wars) and we all don't want history to repeat itself. that's why we shouldn't smoke weed or let weed be a controlled substance. there's just too much to risk.

[Glen Coco]

bob marley smoked weed and he was really successful

[dirrty]

give me proof that it's not true
give me proof that it is true.

there are SO many factors that comes into the equation when it comes to individuals managing a legal/illegal lifestyle. just assuming that that taking weed affects the family and society is preposterous. individuals manage their drug-use extremely differently depending upon their social/economic standings, health/mental status, how frequent the said drug is being used, what drug, whether it's light or heavy usage, etc. so you can't just say that the said individuals family and country would suffer when it comes to basic weed consumption (lmao).

read nigel south's "managing work, hedonism and 'the borderline'" in addiction research and theory which basically expands everything i just said. had to do a presentation based upon it last month it's all so very true.

[GirlNextDoor15]

give me proof that it is true.

there are SO many factors that comes into the equation when it comes to individuals managing a legal/illegal lifestyle. just assuming that that taking weed affects the family and society is preposterous. individuals manage their drug-use extremely differently depending upon their social/economic standings, health/mental status, how frequent the said drug is being used, what drug, whether it's light or heavy usage, etc. so you can't just say that the said individuals family and country would suffer when it comes to basic weed consumption (lmao).

read nigel south's "managing work, hedonism and 'the borderline'" in addiction research and theory which basically expands everything i just said. had to do a presentation based upon it last month it's all so very true.

i gave u my proof and basically, you're talking about addiction. yes it depends on different factors but that doesn't mean it won't affect family and country. you are risking your health when someone smokes near you. and i'll check that out.

[dirrty]

i gave u my proof and basically, you're talking about addiction. yes it depends on different factors but that doesn't mean it won't affect family and country. you are risking your health when someone smokes near you. and i'll check that out.
i suppose i worded/constructed my previous post poorly (which i apologise for and now slightly backtracking lmao). i kinda see what you mean by taking weed (and any other drug for that matter) can affect the family and society, but the extent to which you argue is preposterous (if that makes more sense). you seem to argue that weed = the failure of the family unit and society as we know it - when that isn't the case. as i initially said, individuals handle drug-use differently depending upon various factors (that i mentioned in the previous post). because of those factors, you can't just assume that smoking weed is detrimental to the family and society (because those who dabble in drugs aren't identical).

nevertheless, in your edit, you mentioned something about china. the majority of the population don't smoke weed, so i still don't get how you believe it will be the downfall. most use it recreationally and in their spare time. the effects of alcohol can be just as bad (and even worse) than recreational weed use, but nevertheless - what individuals do in their spare them is up to them, and whatever consequences arise from their actions is essentially their doing - and it's frankly impossible to completely ban something in our society when everything (legal or illegal) is so readily available and everyone will always find a way of getting what they want.

but anyway kinda rambled on and should be writing paragraphs for my portfolio (which ironically is partly on drug-use) and not this, so yeah.

[FlyingJesus]

it is no different to someone being dependent on alcohol.

Very different actually, alcohol is far FAR more destructive in just about every way


i gave u my proof

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[GirlNextDoor15]

i suppose i worded/constructed my previous post poorly (which i apologise for and now slightly backtracking lmao). i kinda see what you mean by taking weed (and any other drug for that matter) can affect the family and society, but the extent to which you argue is preposterous (if that makes more sense). you seem to argue that weed = the failure of the family unit and society as we know it - when that isn't the case. as i initially said, individuals handle drug-use differently depending upon various factors (that i mentioned in the previous post). because of those factors, you can't just assume that smoking weed is detrimental to the family and society (because those who dabble in drugs aren't identical).

that's why I said we shouldn't smoke weed/drugs and they should be controlled substances because if they abused, consequences which I mentioned earlier will arise.


nevertheless, in your edit, you mentioned something about china. the majority of the population don't smoke weed, so i still don't get how you believe it will be the downfall. most use it recreationally and in their spare time. the effects of alcohol can be just as bad (and even worse) than recreational weed use, but nevertheless - what individuals do in their spare them is up to them, and whatever consequences arise from their actions is essentially their doing - and it's frankly impossible to completely ban something in our society when everything (legal or illegal) is so readily available and everyone will always find a way of getting what they want.

The majority of the population smoked opium or whatev a century ago and that was how british could use opium as a weapon to cause war. The whole country collapsed. However, weed/drugs are controlled substances now at china. So, the country's steadily climbing back up.

have fun with ya portfolio btw :)


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[Camy]

This is a good film for anyone that's interested; http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007

[Rhw]

I'm not too bothered about it. I see it all the time but I'm never involved. People are free to do as they wish in this day and age.

[le harry]

Very different actually, alcohol is far FAR more destructive in just about every way


oh effect wise, of course. i worded it poorly cuz it's like 3am haha. i was simply stating that you have no one else to blame for the addiction but YOU. should alcohol be banned because people become alcoholics? no. marijuana is no different. you can't blame marijuana for "society's deterioration" or whatever that chick said.


that's why I said we shouldn't smoke weed/drugs and they should be controlled substances because if they abused, consequences which I mentioned earlier will arise.


a controlled substance like alcohol? i'm not sure what you're getting at. marijuana is illegal and i can still get it from atleast 10 different people whenever i want. do you want it to be distributed by the government? o.O

[Stephen]

imo the only time when weed and other drugs will be legalised is when all these no nothing old government **** are dead

[GirlNextDoor15]

oh effect wise, of course. i worded it poorly cuz it's like 3am haha. i was simply stating that you have no one else to blame for the addiction but YOU. should alcohol be banned because people become alcoholics? no. marijuana is no different. you can't blame marijuana for "society's deterioration" or whatever that chick said.



a controlled substance like alcohol? i'm not sure what you're getting at. marijuana is illegal and i can still get it from atleast 10 different people whenever i want. do you want it to be distributed by the government? o.O

thanks for your name calling and labels. just because i have different opinions doesn't mean I'm wrong. you certainly have no respect for other people or maybe that's how you are brought up. Legalising it and controlling the amount of it is way better than getting it from 10 different people whatsoever. Easy to say the one addicted to illegal substances like marijuana should be the only one blamed but when a country is affected by the number of people getting addicted to it, government will get the blame. Now, I ask you how do you think it should be.

[le harry]

thanks for your name calling and labels. just because i have different opinions doesn't mean I'm wrong. you certainly have no respect for other people or maybe that's how you are brought up. Legalising it and controlling the amount of it is way better than getting it from 10 different people whatsoever. Easy to say the one addicted to illegal substances like marijuana should be the only one blamed but when a country is affected by the number of people getting addicted to it, government will get the blame. Now, I ask you how do you think it should be.

i dunno where to start... you think legalizing marijuana will benefit society? LOL. the whole reason smoking weed isn't mainstream is because people fear the legal repercussions. controlling marijuana will lead to overpriced ****** bud. alcohol is a prime example of what controlled substances lead too.

where is your evidence that society is going downhill? where is your evidence that the government is getting the blame? you are pulling nonsensical arguments out of your ass with absolutely 0 evidence. actually i don't even know what your point it. have you ever smoked weed? lol.

[GirlNextDoor15]

i dunno where to start... you think legalizing marijuana will benefit society? LOL. the whole reason smoking weed isn't mainstream is because people fear the legal repercussions. controlling marijuana will lead to overpriced ****** bud. alcohol is a prime example of what controlled substances lead too.

where is your evidence that society is going downhill? where is your evidence that the government is getting the blame? you are pulling nonsensical arguments out of your ass with absolutely 0 evidence. actually i don't even know what your point it. have you ever smoked weed? lol.

education is there for a purpose and legalizing it can prevent unwanted crimes. it's the same with prostitution etc. i gave my evidence and you are the one turning a blind eye and start to call me **** stuff when you have nothing to back your opinion. what does this have to do with me smoking weed?

[Oleh]

I have qualms with the way they bang on about it. Why do people go on about it all the time? You don't bang on about having a cigarette or a can of lager, so why bang on about having an illegal drug?


I have no qualms with people smoking it, it's their choice, as long as they don't do what I have outlined in the Spoiler, it isn't an issue in the slightest.

[Glen Coco]

omg i hate it when people post pictures of them smoking a j on facebook and stuff and go on about how they get high all the time. that gets on my nerves so much

[le harry]

education is there for a purpose and legalizing it can prevent unwanted crimes. it's the same with prostitution etc. i gave my evidence and you are the one turning a blind eye and start to call me **** stuff when you have nothing to back your opinion. what does this have to do with me smoking weed?

prevent unwanted crimes? like what? possession and dealing? because they are the only crimes that come out of marijuana. should we legalise ecstasy also? it's a slippery slope. you can't legalise it for that reason.

it's not at all the same as prostitution because their effects are in a completely different context!? you are saying that society is going downhill because people are becoming addicted to marijuana and the government is getting the blame. please don't tell me your logical solution to THAT problem is legalising marijuana. yep. okay. lets make it available to everyone so that addiction is even higher. it's not as if the government will cop any more blame... right? i'm sorry i don't really mean to sound condescending but your arguments make 0 sense.

[Metric1]

in your car?

**** your mom has a big mouth

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[GirlNextDoor15]

prevent unwanted crimes? like what? possession and dealing? because they are the only crimes that come out of marijuana. should we legalise ecstasy also? it's a slippery slope. you can't legalise it for that reason.

it's not at all the same as prostitution because their effects are in a completely different context!? you are saying that society is going downhill because people are becoming addicted to marijuana and the government is getting the blame. please don't tell me your logical solution to THAT problem is legalising marijuana. yep. okay. lets make it available to everyone so that addiction is even higher. it's not as if the government will cop any more blame... right? i'm sorry i don't really mean to sound condescending but your arguments make 0 sense.

addiction will cause a lot of unwanted crimes to happen. not just possession and dealing. the most important purpose for legalising it is to educate people and get everything under control instead of spending not just money but also risking lives of thousands of people. in fact, not legalising it didn't help much in regulating the addiction. so, why not try another way and see how it'll work? and I don't know how you think legalising marijuana will lead to a worse addiction. certainly the substance should be controlled for its medicinal values etc. and the effects of marijuana and prostitution might not be the same. but obviously allowing prostitution and controlling it will help to lower the risk of STDs and getting impregnated etc.? an example would be Singapore.

[Samantha.]

It doesn't really bother me, if someone wants to smoke weed they can it's their choice no-one else's!

[Robbie]

addiction will cause a lot of unwanted crimes to happen. not just possession and dealing. the most important purpose for legalising it is to educate people and get everything under control instead of spending not just money but also risking lives of thousands of people. in fact, not legalising it didn't help much in regulating the addiction. so, why not try another way and see how it'll work? and I don't know how you think legalising marijuana will lead to a worse addiction. certainly the substance should be controlled for its medicinal values etc. and the effects of marijuana and prostitution might not be the same. but obviously allowing prostitution and controlling it will help to lower the risk of STDs and getting impregnated etc.? an example would be Singapore.

weed can only be psychologically addictive, say you smoke every night before bed, you get into the habit of doing that, just like people who drink coffee every morning when they wake up, or someone who eats at mcdonalds every day. there are no physical withdrawal symptoms and your body cannot become dependent on it like other drugs. the addiction argument is null and void.

[Stephen]

weed can only be psychologically addictive, say you smoke every night before bed, you get into the habit of doing that, just like people who drink coffee every morning when they wake up, or someone who eats at mcdonalds every day. there are no physical withdrawal symptoms and your body cannot become dependent on it like other drugs. the addiction argument is null and void.

Are you saying that mcdonalds is psychologically addictive?

Cos I'd define someone who eats it everyday as an unhealthy fat **** with a bad habit

[FlyingJesus]

i gave my evidence

Still have not seen any links to studies or anything but you keep saying you've given evidence of your views being correct


should we legalise ecstasy also?

Yes because that is also less damaging than alcohol and tobacco and merely requires an understanding of how it works. All that is achieved by criminalising drugs is more dangerous compounds (cut with all sorts of other, cheaper things) and a total lack of control for all involved


addiction will cause a lot of unwanted crimes to happen.

I agree with you on the main point that it ought to be legalised and regulated, but you seem to have this idea that marijuana addiction is actually a big problem. Of the literally hundreds of people I've known who've dabbled with the stuff, I've only known one to have built up an addiction, and that was due to him pretty much forcing addiction on himself by being high 24/7 for about 4 months. It's one of the least addictive substances out there, and people are far more likely to just get a nicotine addiction from the tobacco they smoke it with


weed can only be psychologically addictive, say you smoke every night before bed, you get into the habit of doing that, just like people who drink coffee every morning when they wake up, or someone who eats at mcdonalds every day. there are no physical withdrawal symptoms and your body cannot become dependent on it like other drugs. the addiction argument is null and void.

While the premise is true (it's "only" a psychological addiction even if it does ever occur) that shouldn't be taken quite so lightly. Psychological dependency isn't something you can just be like "oh never mind, it's all in my head" and turn off, even if you have the strongest will in the world. That's the same sort of attitude that tells mentally ill people to just shut up and get on with it because there are no physical signs

[froobe]

Weed is good.

Girls who smoke weed are also good.

That is all.

[le harry]

addiction will cause a lot of unwanted crimes to happen. not just possession and dealing. the most important purpose for legalising it is to educate people and get everything under control instead of spending not just money but also risking lives of thousands of people. in fact, not legalising it didn't help much in regulating the addiction. so, why not try another way and see how it'll work? and I don't know how you think legalising marijuana will lead to a worse addiction. certainly the substance should be controlled for its medicinal values etc. and the effects of marijuana and prostitution might not be the same. but obviously allowing prostitution and controlling it will help to lower the risk of STDs and getting impregnated etc.? an example would be Singapore.

it's late so can someone merge my two posts cuz *** re-editing.

saving thousands of lives? MARIJUANA DOES NOT KILL. It was scientifically tested that for the THC levels in your system to be lethal, roughly 979 hits of weed were required. If you smoked, you would know how impossible that is. you want to educate people marijuana? tell them that it's harmless, you get tired and laugh at ****. it will not **** up your future unless you become a massive stoner. if you're able to become dependant on marijuana so easily then you can't blame the drug. if it wasn't for pot, then it will probably have been something else. I would even go as far to say that video games are far more harmful then marijuana if we want to take into education and the future. From previous experience, I can honestly say that video games have affected my marks more than marijuana ever has.

Also, if you were aware of the effects of marijuana, you would also know that no unwanted crimes happen. Possession and dealing are literally the only things that come from smoking weed. You smoke, you eat, you sleep. Sure there's a chance that a car accident may occur, but not to the large extent that it should be regulated lol. How will legalising it lead to a worse addiction you ask? It's far more readily available, far more people will be open to try it, far more people will subsequently become dependant on it. It's not rocket science. Man if marijuana was legal, I can assure you i'd be smoking a lot more than I currently do and I'm positive all my friends would aswell.

Furthermore, do you think legalising it will get it under control? Does the legalisation of alcohol and tobacco prevent deaths?

These statistics are old but you get the picture:

http://www.nt.gov.au/health/healthdev/health_promotion/bushbook/volume2/chap1/deaths.gif

Now tell me, what are the two main drug killers and what is there legality status right now? Oh right, alcohol and marijuana. Now quit arguing when you have no idea what you're ******* talking about.


this is a pretty good video as to why it shouldn't legalised haha. it has no public policy points, but anyone who gets blazed will understand: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6629182/dont-legalize-weed


Yes because that is also less damaging than alcohol and tobacco and merely requires an understanding of how it works. All that is achieved by criminalising drugs is more dangerous compounds (cut with all sorts of other, cheaper things) and a total lack of control for all involved


haha here on the coast, ecstasy is rarely just a party drug. usually far more altered than what it's advertised to be. although, you can argue that you can't really consider that ecstasy then. /shrug, maybe i'll experience the pure **** one day.

[redtom]

absolutely stinks so am against it either way.

Depends purely on the type, weed has a massive range of smells and strengths in smell.


however, smoking weed is unhealthy for your body and so, i don't really care.


THC has been proven to have many medical benefits and only proven side effect of weed is not of causing psychological problems but instead just activating these problems earlier in your life then they would have appear naturally. This is also a incredibly small % of people, much less of a risk then say cancers caused by both drinking and smoking tobacco. Weed is incredibly healthy when compared to most common drugs.



I don't like weed, i think its pointless and its illegal for a reason. People who smoke are ultimately unattractive and I find it disgusting.

What reason is it illegal? (I actually don't know so would like to know)


A lazy lifestyle is an unhealthy lifestyle. can actually imagine how productive a country will be with people practicing such lifestyle.

Obama has openly admitted to smoking weed.
Many successful computer programmers smoked weed and repeatedly raved about its benefits. The same is also said for many authors, artists and musicians. Its said to help with rights block and one ever its called when you stare at the same thing for ages and can't see what your looking for (Forgot the word used to describe that.)
Holland is one of the most beautiful countries in Europe and has if I remember correctly one of the highest levels happiness.


Weed isn't addictive, at all and Hemp would prove jobs for millions in the UK its one of the words best natural resources and has many applications, its not just good for smoking. In a recent report it was said that legalisation of weed in the uk would be 10 billion to the economy instantly

[GirlNextDoor15]

k. one by one


I have qualms with the way they bang on about it. Why do people go on about it all the time? You don't bang on about having a cigarette or a can of lager, so why bang on about having an illegal drug?


I have no qualms with people smoking it, it's their choice, as long as they don't do what I have outlined in the Spoiler, it isn't an issue in the slightest.

Who knows smoking only rolled tobacco leaves will turn into smoking reconstituted tobacco and 4000+ additives? Who knows with wine, there'll be lager, beer, vodka and so on? People will do whatever they can to create a greater demand and the demand itself is worrying. Thus, it should be controlled. I think there was a time people were thinking like you are right now.


Still have not seen any links to studies or anything but you keep saying you've given evidence of your views being correct

uhm right. i did not give out any links to studies but I did mention something about China's history of opium wars. I don't know which is more addictive. However, opium was used as a weapon which caused preventable wars. They started out as a normal trade of tea-opium but ended badly with China paying war debts to Britain and Hong Kong ceded to Queen Victoria. Addiction made the wars even worse. People and the whole country suffered from it. If only there wasn't a huge demand of opium, wars would not happen. Same with weed here. What weed can do will be even worse than opium. Although natural weed alone may not cause addiction, I am sure synthetic weed will with its chemical substances. I never smoke weed before and so, I don't know how to differentiate natural weed from synthetic weed. Plus, not legalising it makes it even worse because the demand of weed causes some people to be ignorant and they probably won't even care whether the weed they are smoking is natural or not. Like they said, for recreational purposes.


I agree with you on the main point that it ought to be legalised and regulated, but you seem to have this idea that marijuana addiction is actually a big problem. Of the literally hundreds of people I've known who've dabbled with the stuff, I've only known one to have built up an addiction, and that was due to him pretty much forcing addiction on himself by being high 24/7 for about 4 months. It's one of the least addictive substances out there, and people are far more likely to just get a nicotine addiction from the tobacco they smoke it with



Did some homework about the addiction part. Weed is said to be the safest drug, apparently. However, with sugar alone, comes aspartame and artificial sweeteners. With salt alone, comes MSG. They are all unhealthy to our body but that doesn't mean they should be banned. Instead, they should be controlled and people should educate themselves about the consequences of consuming them and stay away from it as possible as they can.


weed can only be psychologically addictive, say you smoke every night before bed, you get into the habit of doing that, just like people who drink coffee every morning when they wake up, or someone who eats at mcdonalds every day. there are no physical withdrawal symptoms and your body cannot become dependent on it like other drugs. the addiction argument is null and void.

This doesn't represent forever. We used to have pure coffee without caffeine and now, it contains caffeine. Eating french fries doesn't mean it contains only potato and oil, sweetie.


saving thousands of lives? MARIJUANA DOES NOT KILL. It was scientifically tested that for the THC levels in your system to be lethal, roughly 979 hits of weed were required. If you smoked, you would know how impossible that is.


ok fine. Marijuana does not directly cause deaths but it causes preventable deaths and so, it shouldn't be neglected.


How will legalising it lead to a worse addiction you ask? It's far more readily available, far more people will be open to try it, far more people will subsequently become dependant on it. It's not rocket science. Man if marijuana was legal, I can assure you i'd be smoking a lot more than I currently do and I'm positive all my friends would aswell.

At least hopefully, synthetic marijuana will be less produced and will not be brought into a country. Still, people shouldn't smoke it though. Prevention is better than cure.


Furthermore, do you think legalising it will get it under control? Does the legalisation of alcohol and tobacco prevent deaths?

You are contradicting yourself here. At first, you totally supported that marijuana is harmless and now, you're saying it will lead to a worse addiction and not prevent death. If it is like what you said 'harmless', why shouldn't the government legalise and then, regulate it?
Some people turn to alcohol and tobacco because marijuana('the safest drug') is not legalised and sadly, both alcohol and tobacco are highly addictive.



http://www.nt.gov.au/health/healthdev/health_promotion/bushbook/volume2/chap1/deaths.gif

Obama has openly admitted to smoking weed.
Many successful computer programmers smoked weed and repeatedly raved about its benefits. The same is also said for many authors, artists and musicians. Its said to help with rights block and one ever its called when you stare at the same thing for ages and can't see what your looking for (Forgot the word used to describe that.)
Holland is one of the most beautiful countries in Europe and has if I remember correctly one of the highest levels happiness.

The world doesn't revolve around western countries only.


Weed isn't addictive, at all and Hemp would prove jobs for millions in the UK its one of the words best natural resources and has many applications, its not just good for smoking. In a recent report it was said that legalisation of weed in the uk would be 10 billion to the economy instantly

Synthetic weed is addictive and won't that 10 billion contribute to the productivity of UK? No statistics or evidences involved here but if weed is just like what le harry said, causes laziness? What about decreasing rate of gang activity? What about prison spending taking a nosedive? What about a large cut in military spending?

[Stephen]

synthetic cannabis is only around more because weed is illegal. Controlling anything just leads people to taking something more harmful which is why banning drugs causes more harm than good. It's a game of cat and mouse which is never going to end and it gets more dangerous with every step. The government think they're helping by banning all this stuff but I'd go as far as saying that they're the cause of most drug related deaths

[le harry]

eh i've made my point. your argument now just seems to follow that "we should regulate because we can" so there isn't any debate. with regards to the contradiction - it was a rhetorical question. i wasn't referring to deaths, my bad, rather the problems you said that stem from marijuana addiction.

[FlyingJesus]

uhm right. i did not give out any links to studies but I did mention something about China's history of opium wars. I don't know which is more addictive. However, opium was used as a weapon which caused preventable wars. They started out as a normal trade of tea-opium but ended badly with China paying war debts to Britain and Hong Kong ceded to Queen Victoria. Addiction made the wars even worse. People and the whole country suffered from it. If only there wasn't a huge demand of opium, wars would not happen. Same with weed here. What weed can do will be even worse than opium. Although natural weed alone may not cause addiction, I am sure synthetic weed will with its chemical substances. I never smoke weed before and so, I don't know how to differentiate natural weed from synthetic weed. Plus, not legalising it makes it even worse because the demand of weed causes some people to be ignorant and they probably won't even care whether the weed they are smoking is natural or not. Like they said, for recreational purposes.

Opium is processed to create heroin, which is quite famous for its highly addictive qualities to the point where it's reported that you can get addicted from a single hit and can kill you at any time. Compare that with how marijuana is even less addictive than caffeine (http://www.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=1492) and has minimal damage (http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain) comparable to, say, a lack of sleep. I can't see from that how it could possibly do worse things to humanity than opium has, especially considering the fact that we actually know the effects of both now whereas at the time of the big opium trade very little was medically known concerning its long-term effects. As for synthetic cannabinoids, these are often more expensive and less effective than the natural plant and since they too are often made illegal, it would make very little sense for a street dealer to cut real marijuana with chemically-enhanced mixes, so I don't see them becoming a widespread problem at any time. It's far more likely that cannabis itself will be made legal than it is that someone will develop a cost-effective synthetic with the proper strength and necessary antipsychotic chemicals to be a major player in the drug market.


Did some homework about the addiction part. Weed is said to be the safest drug, apparently. However, with sugar alone, comes aspartame and artificial sweeteners. With salt alone, comes MSG. They are all unhealthy to our body but that doesn't mean they should be banned. Instead, they should be controlled and people should educate themselves about the consequences of consuming them and stay away from it as possible as they can.

I really hope you're not advocating for government intervention and legislation over all potentially harmful substances lol, especially since sugar and salt are both absolutely necessary nutrients


This doesn't represent forever. We used to have pure coffee without caffeine and now, it contains caffeine.

What world do you live in where coffee doesn't naturally have a caffeine content :S


ok fine. Marijuana does not directly cause deaths but it causes preventable deaths and so, it shouldn't be neglected.

As does oxygen. As does water. As does absolutely anything, along with absolutely nothing.

[GirlNextDoor15]

Opium is processed to create heroin, which is quite famous for its highly addictive qualities to the point where it's reported that you can get addicted from a single hit and can kill you at any time. Compare that with how marijuana is even less addictive than caffeine (http://www.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=1492) and has minimal damage (http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain) comparable to, say, a lack of sleep. I can't see from that how it could possibly do worse things to humanity than opium has, especially considering the fact that we actually know the effects of both now whereas at the time of the big opium trade very little was medically known concerning its long-term effects. As for synthetic cannabinoids, these are often more expensive and less effective than the natural plant and since they too are often made illegal, it would make very little sense for a street dealer to cut real marijuana with chemically-enhanced mixes, so I don't see them becoming a widespread problem at any time. It's far more likely that cannabis itself will be made legal than it is that someone will develop a cost-effective synthetic with the proper strength and necessary antipsychotic chemicals to be a major player in the drug market.
What world do you live in where coffee doesn't naturally have a caffeine content :S

Should have written it properly, my bad.
http://dherbs.com/articles/caffeine-bio-caffeine-304.html
Synthetic caffeine can be just as addictive as synthetic nicotine etc. if more addictives are used.
I think tobacco was cheaper than cigarettes back then and you don't see the addiction going down. The demand is there as more and more people are getting addicted to cigarettes. Once there's a demand, there'll be an industry running to fulfill the demand or something even though cigarettes are harmful because of the 4000+ addictives rather than tobacco.
of course we don't hope smoking weed will cause addiction like that but synthetic marijuana still exists and needs to be controlled whether it is cheap or expensive.


I really hope you're not advocating for government intervention and legislation over all potentially harmful substances lol, especially since sugar and salt are both absolutely necessary nutrients

naaaaa. I was just giving examples lol. sugar and salt are necessary but with a limit. we can control our diet for that. msg and aspartame are proven harmful if we consume them excessively.


As does oxygen. As does water. As does absolutely anything, along with absolutely nothing.

Agreed but don't we all try to prevent it? lol nobody's forcing u to swim when u no u cant.

[redtom]

The world doesn't revolve around western countries only.

No it doesn't but i dont see what your getting at? I used Holland as an example because its in Europe and legalised weed



Synthetic weed is addictive and won't that 10 billion contribute to the productivity of UK? No statistics or evidences involved here but if weed is just like what le harry said, causes laziness? What about decreasing rate of gang activity? What about prison spending taking a nosedive? What about a large cut in military spending?

We wouldn't have a need for synthetic when you can grow your own? Also weed doesn't cause everyone to instantly become lazy, true if you get high your going to be lazier than normal but when your not high that effect leaves you. Its not a permanent effect and weed also increases creativity.

There is no actual reason behind weed being illegal, both tobacco and alcohol harm both society and the individual 10 fold that of any damaged causes by weed. Weed would bring a benefit to society where as tobacco causes harm, the only reason it isn't illegal is because the government would lose too much from the loss of taxes.

[FiftyCal]

I don't smoke weed myself anymore because it triggered an anxiety attack everytime and i didn't find it very fun. I don't smoke but it shouldn't be illegal and have people arrested for just smoking it. I don't mind if people smoke as long as i can understand what they say and aren't stupid at all, i've met big time stoners in my life that were just out of it and had no idea what was going on around them, and then theres people who get high and i can still understand every word they say, they are just more laid back and chill.

[GirlNextDoor15]

We wouldn't have a need for synthetic when you can grow your own? Also weed doesn't cause everyone to instantly become lazy, true if you get high your going to be lazier than normal but when your not high that effect leaves you. Its not a permanent effect and weed also increases creativity.

There is no actual reason behind weed being illegal, both tobacco and alcohol harm both society and the individual 10 fold that of any damaged causes by weed. Weed would bring a benefit to society where as tobacco causes harm, the only reason it isn't illegal is because the government would lose too much from the loss of taxes.

WHEN SOMEONE IS ADDICTED TO SYNTHETIC WEED, THEY WON'T GIVE A **** WHETHER THEY CAN GROW WEED ON THEIR OWN. And tobacco is less harmful than cigarettes. They are just leaves omg. What's harmful is the 4000+ additives! Don't u see the pattern here? Tobacco is cheaper than cigarettes but people are still smoking cigarettes. why is that? they are addicted to it omg. the same thing with synthetic weed. it's not popular now but soon enough, it'll end up just like what cigarettes did to the society.

[Andeeh]

Its fine for any people to smoke and as for girls I think that smoke it makes them hot as long as they aren't like dirty pikeys and are more like the weed smoking girls on tumblr. The 'I smoke weed' kids get on my nerves but you just got to deal with it, to be honest though I would much rather go round a mates for a smoke instead of going out and getting pissed out of my mind.
also

No it doesn't but i dont see what your getting at? I used Holland as an example because its in Europe and legalised weed

That is often a common misconception, weed is not legal in netherlands, its decriminalized. Also laws are being passed to stop and foreign people from entering coffee shops :(

[wixard]

WHEN SOMEONE IS ADDICTED TO SYNTHETIC WEED, THEY WON'T GIVE A **** WHETHER THEY CAN GROW WEED ON THEIR OWN. And tobacco is less harmful than cigarettes. They are just leaves omg. What's harmful is the 4000+ additives! Don't u see the pattern here? Tobacco is cheaper than cigarettes but people are still smoking cigarettes. why is that? they are addicted to it omg. the same thing with synthetic weed. it's not popular now but soon enough, it'll end up just like what cigarettes did to the society.

your comment about people smoking cigarettes instead of rolling tobacco isn't true... some people are just lazy and can't be bothered to roll their own, I know SO many people that have switched over to rollies after years of cigarettes to save money

also while im here lets use the proper term of decriminalising marijuana, not legalising it

[Andeeh]

your comment about people smoking cigarettes instead of rolling tobacco isn't true... some people are just lazy and can't be bothered to roll their own, I know SO many people that have switched over to rollies after years of cigarettes to save money

also while im here lets use the proper term of decriminalising marijuana, not legalising it

Interesting article in Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9235801/Green-councillor-calls-for-cannabis-cafes-in-Brighton.html won't happen but it would be interesting to hear peoples responses if this were ever to happen.

[Recursion]

I don't care if you want to smoke weed, just don't do it where I'm gonna be breathing your second hand smoke.

[redtom]

WHEN SOMEONE IS ADDICTED TO SYNTHETIC WEED, THEY WON'T GIVE A **** WHETHER THEY CAN GROW WEED ON THEIR OWN. And tobacco is less harmful than cigarettes. They are just leaves omg. What's harmful is the 4000+ additives! Don't u see the pattern here? Tobacco is cheaper than cigarettes but people are still smoking cigarettes. why is that? they are addicted to it omg. the same thing with synthetic weed. it's not popular now but soon enough, it'll end up just like what cigarettes did to the society.

Pretty sure when you can save a bomb growing your own they'll give a **** plus access to synthetic weed would be near enough gone, but hell I don't have a clue about synthetic weed. Its pretty hard to get hold of it now compared to normal weed. As for the part in bold you're simply wrong, I have a feeling you're a bit out of your depth on the topic.


That is often a common misconception, weed is not legal in netherlands, its decriminalized. Also laws are being passed to stop and foreign people from entering coffee shops :(

So how does it work? decriminalization/legalisation? Spain decriminalized weed but you can't buy it legally anywhere, where as Holland has legal coffee shops so weed must be officially legal?

Also the laws to stop foreigners from buying weed is to mainly stop people from countries on the borders using Holland as a way to import weed easily, less so about foreigners smoking it. You'll probably find this law to be barely enforced in large tourist areas, much like how smoking it publicly on the streets isn't really enforced in many places. Although we'll just have to wait and see how that one pans out.

[Andeeh]

Pretty sure when you can save a bomb growing your own they'll give a **** plus access to synthetic weed would be near enough gone, but hell I don't have a clue about synthetic weed. Its pretty hard to get hold of it now compared to normal weed. As for the part in bold you're simply wrong, I have a feeling you're a bit out of your depth on the topic.



So how does it work? decriminalization/legalisation? Spain decriminalized weed but you can't buy it legally anywhere, where as Holland has legal coffee shops so weed must be officially legal?

Also the laws to stop foreigners from buying weed is to mainly stop people from countries on the borders using Holland as a way to import weed easily, less so about foreigners smoking it. You'll probably find this law to be barely enforced in large tourist areas, much like how smoking it publicly on the streets isn't really enforced in many places. Although we'll just have to wait and see how that one pans out.

There is a big difference between legalization and decriminalization a quote i found that best describes
"The legalization of marijuana would most likely involve...
- More government taxes. The tax implication on the legalization of marijuana would probably be as strict or stricter than the tax on tobacco cigarettes.
- Age restrictions would be placed on buying and smoking legalized marijuana similar to those on cigarettes (or alcohol).

Decriminalization, on the other hand is perhaps preferred over the legalization of marijuana. If marijuana were decriminalized then it would be considered a herb and not a drug, much like parsley, sage, marjoram, and oregano."
In relation to Netherlands and coffee shops then it is encouraging a place to discreetly smoke and buy, don't ask me how the coffeeshops get their weed cause I don't know but what I do know is that you can only buy 5grams per coffee per day and if caught with more then you could face arrest.

[Stephen]

Pretty sure when you can save a bomb growing your own they'll give a **** plus access to synthetic weed would be near enough gone, but hell I don't have a clue about synthetic weed. Its pretty hard to get hold of it now compared to normal weed. As for the part in bold you're simply wrong, I have a feeling you're a bit out of your depth on the topic.



So how does it work? decriminalization/legalisation? Spain decriminalized weed but you can't buy it legally anywhere, where as Holland has legal coffee shops so weed must be officially legal?

Also the laws to stop foreigners from buying weed is to mainly stop people from countries on the borders using Holland as a way to import weed easily, less so about foreigners smoking it. You'll probably find this law to be barely enforced in large tourist areas, much like how smoking it publicly on the streets isn't really enforced in many places. Although we'll just have to wait and see how that one pans out.

pretty hard to get hold of synthetics compared to normal weed? All you need is the internet lol

[Shadowsoflight]

Seeing that you have a poll there now, I voted no one can but the words there aren't right. it should be like 'no one should' because smoking weed is not only unhealthy to your body, it affects your family and society. it leads to the downfall of morality of a country. i understand about the freedom thing and you should be allowed to do whatever you want but where do you draw the line? there must be a limit to everything or else, you, your family and your country will suffer. kay a bit off topic but you don't have to be a genius to really understand the consequences of smoking weed etc. most people don't think much about what they are doing and so, the flaw exists.


Okay I don't smoke it but honestly it isn't bad for you thats just made up stuff it might hurt your lungs or throat but thats it a little pain and it only hurts your family if they care and jobs is if the company cares just dont get caught

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't think i've commented on this, so here goes..

I think those who use weed among other drugs are frankly stupid, it is a dangerous drug which can destroy your mind.

..however, people ought to have the right to do damage to their own person - everybody ought to fall on their own sword.

[redtom]

There is a big difference between legalization and decriminalization a quote i found that best describes
"The legalization of marijuana would most likely involve...
- More government taxes. The tax implication on the legalization of marijuana would probably be as strict or stricter than the tax on tobacco cigarettes.
- Age restrictions would be placed on buying and smoking legalized marijuana similar to those on cigarettes (or alcohol).

Decriminalization, on the other hand is perhaps preferred over the legalization of marijuana. If marijuana were decriminalized then it would be considered a herb and not a drug, much like parsley, sage, marjoram, and oregano."
In relation to Netherlands and coffee shops then it is encouraging a place to discreetly smoke and buy, don't ask me how the coffeeshops get their weed cause I don't know but what I do know is that you can only buy 5grams per coffee per day and if caught with more then you could face arrest.

Thanks, some interesting stuff there I'll probably have a read up on it sometime! +rep :D


pretty hard to get hold of synthetics compared to normal weed? All you need is the internet lol

Good point I've never tried to get hold of it myself, still weed is much easier to come by, and with probably the closest thing to instant delivery quicker to acquire. :P

Edit in reply to undertaker

Do you have any actual evidence that its any more dangerous then most other things in modern society? Sitting with a laptop on your balls day in day out will lower your sperm count and could effectively make you infertile, yet no one gives a **** if little jimmy plonks it there for hours each day because its a part of life. Weed isn't as dangerous as people think and compared to many other things accepted in modern society, at least in the UK, its relatively safe.

Haha I probably look like a proper druggie defending weed like this but I'm not I just like a good debate :P

[e5]

i think why does anyone care... but deep down I don't think girls look great smoking it. would be a major put off for me.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Do you have any actual evidence that its any more dangerous then most other things in modern society? Weed isn't as dangerous as people think and compared to many other things accepted in modern society, at least in the UK, its relatively safe.

There are various accounts of the damage that even 'soft' drugs do to the minds of people, especially younger children. One only has to look as far as Russell Brand who the other day made a silly argument for legalising drugs on the basis that they are safe and generally fun, no harm can be done - taking it from Mr. Brand that drugs do no harm, I think he ought to look in the mirror.


Sitting with a laptop on your balls day in day out will lower your sperm count and could effectively make you infertile, yet no one gives a **** if little jimmy plonks it there for hours each day because its a part of life.

I never said ban it, I just said it is dangerous (which it is). I'd personally legalise it on the basis that you can all be as stupid as you want.

[Glen Coco]

Hmm I wouldn't say that people who smoke it occasionally, however those that do it everyday / a lot are.
I've been around people who smoke it everyday and they may as well be zombies.
I do agree that it affects your mind but only if it's done a lot, hence why i don't agree with legalising it.

[redtom]

There are various accounts of the damage that even 'soft' drugs do to the minds of people, especially younger children. One only has to look as far as Russell Brand who the other day made a silly argument for legalising drugs on the basis that they are safe and generally fun, no harm can be done - taking it from Mr. Brand that drugs do no harm, I think he ought to look in the mirror.

I never said ban it, I just said it is dangerous (which it is). I'd personally legalise it on the basis that you can all be as stupid as you want.

It really isn't as dangerous as you think, the media has gone over kill on it taking a problem here and a problem there making it look that its the norm when its not, obviously it can't be legalised over night and allot of eduction would be required before making it legal.

I doubt you refer to people who drink often as stupid but there doing more harm to there body then weed would.


Hmm I wouldn't say that people who smoke it occasionally, however those that do it everyday / a lot are.
I've been around people who smoke it everyday and they may as well be zombies.
I do agree that it affects your mind but only if it's done a lot, hence why i don't agree with legalising it.

I agree with you here. People smoking it day in day out get messed up, but so do people who drink all the time. I think legalisation would increase the amount of people who over use the drug and this is one of the few problems which would need to be delt with first before legalisation.

[Glen Coco]

There was a boy who used to go to my primary school posting how he was going to 'quit weed' and all his friends were like 'oh no don't'. He's about 14!

[Robbie]

i have a question for people, what would you class as excessive use of weed in your opinion? all day every day? once a day?

[wiktoria]

idk why people care if someone smokes weed it's their choice. i don't like the smell of it but loads of people at my school smoke it so i kinda got used to it. meh

[Stephen]

i have a question for people, what would you class as excessive use of weed in your opinion? all day every day? once a day?

Once a day

[Andeeh]

There are various accounts of the damage that even 'soft' drugs do to the minds of people, especially younger children. One only has to look as far as Russell Brand who the other day made a silly argument for legalising drugs on the basis that they are safe and generally fun, no harm can be done - taking it from Mr. Brand that drugs do no harm, I think he ought to look in the mirror.



I never said ban it, I just said it is dangerous (which it is). I'd personally legalise it on the basis that you can all be as stupid as you want.

It is obvious that smoking between the ages of 12 - 15 is highly dangerous as the body develops and can cause problems in the brain, a horizon investigation showed that when lab rats were applied with concentrated doses of THC to equivalent 12 - 15 year olds the memory test was poor however when applied to equivalent of 16+ it had little or no effect on their memory.
The big problem with weed is that it can become a gateway drug on to harder things, however this varies on person to person.

[DPS]

Doesnt matter on gender.. ;s only children would think that.

Shouldnt be doing drugs in the first place, wanna end up with bad paranoia?

[Glen Coco]

I would personally say that someone smokes a lot of weed if they do it more than 4 times a week.
People who are saying tha there is no reason behind it being illegal; of course there is!

If it was legal than think of how many kids would be smoking it, let's face it age restrictions don't stop underage drinking or smoking so why would t affect marijuana? It messed with your brain so much if smoked regularly , and people would be more open about it and probably smoke it more if it was legal, this increasing the amount it was used. This would mean more psychological damage to the people smoking it and would dramatically affect how well people did in education. The people that smoke it wouldn't be able to function properly in work because they'd be high or 'coming down'.

Im not being narrow minded, I've done it and I know a lot of other people that have and also people that do it on a daily basis. It changes you as a person and you generally affects your motor skills.

[Judas]

So many people in this thread are just pulling "facts" out of their ass when they evidently haven't done any research and are just going by the myths they've been fed by the media.


I would personally say that someone smokes a lot of weed if they do it more than 4 times a week.
People who are saying tha there is no reason behind it being illegal; of course there is!

If it was legal than think of how many kids would be smoking it, let's face it age restrictions don't stop underage drinking or smoking so why would t affect marijuana? It messed with your brain so much if smoked regularly , and people would be more open about it and probably smoke it more if it was legal, this increasing the amount it was used. This would mean more psychological damage to the people smoking it and would dramatically affect how well people did in education. The people that smoke it wouldn't be able to function properly in work because they'd be high or 'coming down'.

Im not being narrow minded, I've done it and I know a lot of other people that have and also people that do it on a daily basis. It changes you as a person and you generally affects your motor skills.

Too much of anything is bad for you, though. I don't think that should be a reason for it to be illegal because that's at the fault of the user, not the product.


People die from alcohol overdoses. There has never been a fatal marijuana overdose.

Alcohol use damages the brain. Marijuana use does not.

Alcohol is more addictive than marijuana.

Alcohol use increases the risk of injury to the consumer. Marijuana use does not.

Alcohol use contributes to aggressive and violent behavior. Marijuana use does not.

Alcohol use is a major factor in violent crimes. Marijuana use is not.

Alcohol use contributes to the likelihood of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Marijuana use does not.

http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/

[Glen Coco]

So many people in this thread are just pulling "facts" out of their ass when they evidently haven't done any research and are just going by the myths they've been fed by the media.



Too much of anything is bad for you, though. I don't think that should be a reason for it to be illegal because that's at the fault of the user, not the product.



http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/
no where did i say that alcohol shouldn't be banned though?
i'm not saying that there are no reasons that it should be legalised, i'm just saying i don't personally think it should be due to what i've experienced myself.

[Judas]

no where did i say that alcohol shouldn't be banned though?
i'm not saying that there are no reasons that it should be legalised, i'm just saying i don't personally think it should be due to what i've experienced myself.

I didn't say that you did... I was drawing a comparison between something that is legal and generally considered acceptable and something that is neither of those things, yet arguably less harmful. I was just saying that I don't think the reasons you stated are valid reasons for it to remain illegal.

[Glen Coco]

I didn't say that you did... I was drawing a comparison between something that is legal and generally considered acceptable and something that is neither of those things, yet arguably less harmful. I was just saying that I don't think the reasons you stated are valid reasons for it to remain illegal.

Well let's face it, it's illegal for some reason.
I'm just saying it does mess with your was and is psychologically harmful and personally I wouldn't make it legal. Psychological harm is a perfectly valid reason to it being illegal.
Maybe with a lot more education in schools then legalise it but I personally do not think it would be a wise nove

[Judas]

Well let's face it, it's illegal for some reason.
I'm just saying it does mess with your was and is psychologically harmful and personally I wouldn't make it legal. Psychological harm is a perfectly valid reason to it being illegal.
Maybe with a lot more education in schools then legalise it but I personally do not think it would be a wise nove

If you actually did your research you'd learn that the severity of the impact of weed on the brain is still being researched and debated by scientists. And that to REALLY harm yourself with cannabis you'd have to smoke a hell of a lot of it, which is like I said, at the fault of the consumer, not the product.

Tobacco and alcohol are legal, and they can **** you up in their own respective ways with enough of it, so by the logic you're using here, they should be illegal too? I mean, surely because they are legal that means that everyone that drinks and smokes WILL damage their lungs, livers, brains etc and we're all gonna damage our mental health, get lung cancer, liver disease, brain damage, alcohol poisoning, heart disease, damage our memory and reduce fertility? The list goes on. And marijuana does what? May or may not slow you down a bit if you smoke it excessively every day? Oh.

[Glen Coco]

If you actually read what I wrote instead of going defensive stoner on me then you'd read that I was saying from PERSONAL VIEW POINT I have seen a lot of people who smoke weed regularly who's minds hav been affected dramatically.

And yes, actually I would say everyone who smokes lungs get damaged, because they do.
However I am not saying that everyone that smokes weed will get mental problems. If I believed that then why would I have done it myself.

[Judas]

If you actually read what I wrote instead of going defensive stoner on me then you'd read that I was saying from PERSONAL VIEW POINT I have seen a lot of people who smoke weed regularly who's minds hav been affected dramatically.

And yes, actually I would say everyone who smokes lungs get damaged, because they do.
However I am not saying that everyone that smokes weed will get mental problems. If I believed that then why would I have done it myself.

A nice little generalisation there, assuming I'm a "stoner". Perhaps I'm just a regular person who can see logic and forms my opinions on actual research I've undertaken myself instead of being ill-informed by a load of misconceptions.

It's not your fault if the people you know are so stupid that they smoked it so much, but that doesn't represent an entire group of people at ALL.

I wasn't debating the fact that smoke damages lungs, my point is that alcohol and tobacco both cause more damage than marijuana does, so my question to you is should they be illegal as well, just as you think marijuana should?

[Glen Coco]

Nice saying I have no logic, brilliant assumption seeing as youre saying this because I have a different opinion to you.

I'm saying it's illegal, not that it shouldn't be done occasionally. However if it became legal it would be done far more and much more openly then it is now which, much like alcohol and tobacco, encourages children to start and binge drink, getting themselves into dangerous situations at young ages.

I don't think that tobacco and alcohol should be legal as they do do a lot of harm to the body and society, however , again, I'm not saying it shouldn't be done occasionally in a controlled way.

Instead of basing everything you're saying on research, that you said yourself hasn't been completed, open your eyes to people who are actually doing it.

[Judas]

Nice saying I have no logic, brilliant assumption seeing as youre saying this because I have a different opinion to you.

I'm saying it's illegal, not that it shouldn't be done occasionally. However if it became legal it would be done far more and much more openly then it is now which, much like alcohol and tobacco, encourages children to start and binge drink, getting themselves into dangerous situations at young ages.

I don't think that tobacco and alcohol should be legal as they do do a lot of harm to the body and society, however , again, I'm not saying it shouldn't be done occasionally in a controlled way.

Instead of basing everything you're saying on research, that you said yourself hasn't been completed, open your eyes to people who are actually doing it.

It's not that you have a different opinion, it's that you have a different opinion formed entirely on mythical facts about cannabis and a few people you know.

Do you not think it might work the other way and people do it BECAUSE it isn't legal? Rules were made to be broken, the "rebellious" thing feels cool (to them) etc? Because then, it's illegal for kids to smoke and drink until they're 18 anyway so the fact they are legal for adults is irrelevant.

I don't understand what you mean by "a controlled way". Do you have an example? Cos what I'm reading at the moment is something along the lines of "alcohol, tobacco and marijuana should be illegal but they should be slightly legal too". But I'm sure that isn't what you mean.

And I have a lot of friends who do it, I occasionally do it too. There are also many successful people who openly smoke weed and they're fine. My eyes are very open, I don't think yours are though :)

[Glen Coco]

Well you're saying that my opinion is wrong.
I not saying anything about 'myths' of cannabis, I'm saying from what I've seen and I don't care if you disagree because you're goin to keep saying how much research an md**** you've done.
I PERSONALLY don't think it should be legal.

A controlled way of drinking is like a pub, or where I work if someone's had too much they'll be turned down.

Yes I know successful people smoke weed. But it depends how much they do it.

[redtom]

The big problem with weed is that it can become a gateway drug on to harder things, however this varies on person to person.

The great thing about legalised weed means it would no longer become a gate way drug, the main reason its considered one is because of the environment around purchasing the majority of weed, dealers often trying tog et people to purchase high end drugs and try to talk people into getting 'a bigger hit' from some of the more dangerous drugs and maximise there own profits. If weed was legalised I'm pretty sure it would reduce the number of people taking harder drugs for the next few generations compared to the current and it would also deduce the number of dealers dramatically.


People who are saying tha there is no reason behind it being illegal; of course there is!

Well let's face it, it's illegal for some reason.
I'm just saying it does mess with your was and is psychologically harmful and personally I wouldn't make it legal. Psychological harm is a perfectly valid reason to it being illegal.

The original laws to ban weed was because of propergander and pure lies (proven to be lies) presented to those in power which then took this information and voted to ban. Alcohol and Tobacco avoided these bans because they were a part of life and made the rich even richer.


If it was legal than think of how many kids would be smoking it, let's face it age restrictions don't stop underage drinking or smoking so why would t affect marijuana? It messed with your brain so much if smoked regularly , and people would be more open about it and probably smoke it more if it was legal, this increasing the amount it was used. This would mean more psychological damage to the people smoking it and would dramatically affect how well people did in education. The people that smoke it wouldn't be able to function properly in work because they'd be high or 'coming down'.

The point is it isn't fair to allow one drug and not another which is safer. It isn't fair to say yeah alcohol and tobacco are legal but weed isn't when there is a massive unbalance in terms of damage to health. True like all things it will be miss used but compared to the current accepted drugs it should be allowed.


Im not being narrow minded, I've done it and I know a lot of other people that have and also people that do it on a daily basis. It changes you as a person and you generally affects your motor skills.

Nice saying I have no logic, brilliant assumption seeing as youre saying this because I have a different opinion to you.

I think he's getting at you using pure opinion as a base of an argument rather than facts, he's not trying to offend you :P


However if it became legal it would be done far more and much more openly then it is now which, much like alcohol and tobacco, encourages children to start and binge drink, getting themselves into dangerous situations at young ages.

True if it were legal it would probably be done more at first, but after a while it'll die down. Most people try it within there lives and have actively made the decision not to do it often or again because that's what they want. Legalising weed would remove the majority of dangerous situations young people find them in when trying to get weed. Have you seen the times of people selling weed? I've known people to get in lots of trouble because dealers trying to take advantage of them. Removing the need for young people to interact with dealers would also lower the rate in which young people access harder drugs thus in future massively lowering the addiction rate to hard drugs. This will also take strain off the NHS, and because of the lower addiction rate it would massively in turn reduce the rate of drug related crimes and theft. Saving allot of money in the possess as well.

The lack of people wanting harder drugs and the obviously removal of weed from dealers means it will become harder to make money from drugs, it would make people considering taking that path for easy money change there mind and maybe even get a job! - Selling drugs would no longer be a way to make easy money.


Instead of basing everything you're saying on research, that you said yourself hasn't been completed, open your eyes to people who are actually doing it.

Alot of research has been completed proving the befits of legalising weed including medical reasons and economical reasons. Research has been done to disprove allot of the down sides, physiological problems in the young and those with under lying defects are the only real problems. Legalisation would obviously educate people and make it easy to spot and help any young people on weed.


A controlled way of drinking is like a pub, or where I work if someone's had too much they'll be turned down.

Pubs often only turn people aggressive people away, I could sit quietly at the bar of any pub in my town and drink until I pass out. People shouldn't be allow to drink that much.

[redtom]

Couldn't edit previous


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qKgY5eOlhEc

Here's a good video.

[Judas]

Well you're saying that my opinion is wrong.
I not saying anything about 'myths' of cannabis, I'm saying from what I've seen and I don't care if you disagree because you're goin to keep saying how much research an md**** you've done.
I PERSONALLY don't think it should be legal.

A controlled way of drinking is like a pub, or where I work if someone's had too much they'll be turned down.

Yes I know successful people smoke weed. But it depends how much they do it.

So we've established that you can't form an argument properly, that's fine by me :)

[Richie]

It doesn't really bother me. I literally just watch a program 'weed wars' and it's brilliant :P. I wouldn't personally take weed.

[Glen Coco]

So we've established that you can't form an argument properly, that's fine by me :)
and that you can't accept other people have opinions. :)

[Judas]

and that you can't accept other people have opinions. :)

And that you lack comprehension skills


It's not that you have a different opinion, it's that you have a different opinion formed entirely on mythical facts about cannabis and a few people you know.

[Glen Coco]

And that you lack comprehension skills
well it clearly is that i have a different opinion to you. what is wrong with having an opinion based on personal experience?
maybe you should go out more and see things in the real world rather then behind a computer screen and 'research'.
i can't be bothered with this, i've said my opinion and you can't accept that so bye :) XOXOXOX

[FlyingJesus]

well it clearly is that i have a different opinion to you. what is wrong with having an opinion based on personal experience?

Nothing until you use those preconceptions to try invalidating genuine facts with scientific backing. There is a whole world of difference between having an opinion and being wrong


maybe you should go out more and see things in the real world rather then behind a computer screen and 'research'.
i can't be bothered with this, i've said my opinion and you can't accept that so bye :) XOXOXOX

What a lovely sentiment, sounds exactly like how the sexists, transphobes, racists, and homophobes that I come across daily try to justify their "opinion". FACTS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Judas]

well it clearly is that i have a different opinion to you. what is wrong with having an opinion based on personal experience?
maybe you should go out more and see things in the real world rather then behind a computer screen and 'research'.
i can't be bothered with this, i've said my opinion and you can't accept that so bye :) XOXOXOX

Oh yes, damn me for having my opinions backed up by ACTUAL FACTS and STATISTICS rather than "Oh, I know this one guy, who..." I wasn't questioning your right to an opinion, I was questioning your reasons behind it. That's kind of how a discussion works, sweetheart. Then again I suppose the ability to discuss and debate things is lacking in most members of this forum nowadays.

And your poor comprehension skills come into play...


And I have a lot of friends who do it, I occasionally do it too.

What more things do you want me to "see"?

[Andeeh]

Well you're saying that my opinion is wrong.
I not saying anything about 'myths' of cannabis, I'm saying from what I've seen and I don't care if you disagree because you're goin to keep saying how much research an md**** you've done.
I PERSONALLY don't think it should be legal.

A controlled way of drinking is like a pub, or where I work if someone's had too much they'll be turned down.

Yes I know successful people smoke weed. But it depends how much they do it.

It does not depend how much succesful people do it, look at people such as Snoop Dogg, Willie Nelson etc.
Personally speaking I know that weed can trap you in to a state whereby you are just looking for your next joint and it takes the enjoyment out of it. Nowadays I get on about my business and let weed be a part of my life instead of being the centre of it.

[Glen Coco]

It does not depend how much succesful people do it, look at people such as Snoop Dogg, Willie Nelson etc.
Personally speaking I know that weed can trap you in to a state whereby you are just looking for your next joint and it takes the enjoyment out of it. Nowadays I get on about my business and let weed be a part of my life instead of being the centre of it.

that's what i mean though.
certain professionals, such as bob marley ect. do do it a lot but realistically not everyone is going to end up being famous and being able to do that.

[FlyingJesus]

EVERYTHING is harmful in excess, that is not a good argument

[Judas]

that's what i mean though.
certain professionals, such as bob marley ect. do do it a lot but realistically not everyone is going to end up being famous and being able to do that.


EVERYTHING is harmful in excess, that is not a good argument

Exactly

It's just her "opinion" tho

[Andeeh]

that's what i mean though.
certain professionals, such as bob marley ect. do do it a lot but realistically not everyone is going to end up being famous and being able to do that.
I get what you mean but I know adults in succesful jobs that enjoy a smoke here and there, it's the scummy little chavvy people you see on Jeremy Kyle that spend all day smoking crap that is grown by someone who doesn't even know the difference between sativa and indica need to sort their lives out but that generalisation cannot be made to everyone who smokes weed and isn't a musician. Since I started smoking I have felt more creative and started up music production so in a sense it has opened my mind up to alternative roots.

[Glen Coco]

*REMOVED*

edit: Andeeh; that's what i'm saying! there's nothing wrong a little bit but i'm saying not all the time.

APPARENTLY I NEED FACTS AND STATISTICS OR ELSE WHAT I THINK IS WRONG.

Edited by Skynus (Forum Moderator): Please do not be rude to other members!

[FlyingJesus]

*Removed*
i don't care that you don't agree with me so stop quoting me, THANKS

I HATE ALL NON-WHITES BECAUSE A WHITE PERSON WAS NICE TO ME IN REAL LIFE ONCE AND I DON'T CARE IF YOU DISAGREE I'M NOT WRONG!!!!!!


APPARENTLY I NEED FACTS AND STATISTICS OR ELSE WHAT I THINK IS WRONG.

Yes, yes you do. "It's my opinion" is not a valid response when what you're actually doing is displaying incorrect statements as though they were fact, despite having been shown that they're incorrect. That is called bigotry and is what holds back cultural and societal advancement as well as restricts personal freedoms for the sake of lies

[dirrty]

that's what i mean though.
certain professionals, such as bob marley ect. do do it a lot but realistically not everyone is going to end up being famous and being able to do that.
correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems like you're validating smoking weed if someone is famous, but if they're not then they shouldn't :S

[Glen Coco]

correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems like you're validating smoking weed if someone is famous, but if they're not then they shouldn't :S

i'm not at all, i'm just saying that although some people can make careers whilst doing it a lot, a lot of people can't.

oh and i have not said once that any of what i have said is fact or that it is correct. it is an OPINION. an opinion is what someone thinks. fiction. not fact.
opinions cannot be wrong unless trying to be fact, which i have not tried to make my OPINIONS seem, unless you've interpreted them as that way and that is your fault, not mine.

oh and i havent said racism, sexism, or any type of discrimination is ok.
THANKS.

[dirrty]

i'm not at all, i'm just saying that although some people can make careers whilst doing it a lot, a lot of people can't.
i don't get why smoking weed within that context matters then. the majority smoke it leisurely, not for the purpose of fuelling their careers (which would consist of a minute fraction of individuals who smoke it/do other drugs to be all ~creative).

[Judas]

*Removed*
i don't care that you don't agree with me so stop quoting me, THANKS

edit: @Andeeh (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=36649); that's what i'm saying! there's nothing wrong a little bit but i'm saying not all the time.

APPARENTLY I NEED FACTS AND STATISTICS OR ELSE WHAT I THINK IS WRONG.

Lmaooo now who's the one that can't handle other opinions? I come at you with basic logic and reason that counter your opinions and you tell me to **** off?

Yeah I really take your opinion seriously now

[Glen Coco]

i don't get why smoking weed within that context matters then. the majority smoke it leisurely, not for the purpose of fuelling their careers (which would consist of a minute fraction of individuals who smoke it/do other drugs to be all ~creative).

sometimes they cross over though, say if someone smoked for leisure but a lot, like every day after work or during work, it would most likely affect their performance. (not saying that as a fact) or may create a psychological addiction which would also affect their performance.

[Judas]

i'm not at all, i'm just saying that although some people can make careers whilst doing it a lot, a lot of people can't.

oh and i have not said once that any of what i have said is fact or that it is correct. it is an OPINION. an opinion is what someone thinks. fiction. not fact.
opinions cannot be wrong unless trying to be fact, which i have not tried to make my OPINIONS seem, unless you've interpreted them as that way and that is your fault, not mine.

oh and i havent said racism, sexism, or any type of discrimination is ok.
THANKS.

Stop playing the "it's my opinion" card, it's really not valid if your opinion is challenged by something that IS factual and you have nothing to counter that. That's how a debate works, don't state your opinion if you have nothing to base it on otherwise what you're saying basically is wrong, yes.

[dirrty]

alcopop; fyi, there are various forms of an 'opinion'; two being informed and uninformed opinions. just thought i'd throw that out there.

[Glen Coco]

well, i'm sorry if you feel that my opinion is wrong but get over it.

my view is from what i've seen in the real world, it may not be correct by statistics and research but i never said it was.


and @FlyingJesus (http://www.habboxforum.com/member.php?u=24753); disgusting mindset? what do you mean by that exactly?

[FlyingJesus]

I mean the IT'S WHAT I THINK AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT EVEN WHEN I'M PROVEN WRONG mindset. It's called bigotry and that's where the racism comments come from - it's obviously not nearly so terrible an issue but it's entirely analogous because it's the way in which you think rather than just what you think

lol just seen your "reply" rep, yes I am quite capable of judging you since you express the exact same methods of thought process as people who cause widespread hatred

[Robbie]

I get what you mean but I know adults in succesful jobs that enjoy a smoke here and there, it's the scummy little chavvy people you see on Jeremy Kyle that spend all day smoking crap that is grown by someone who doesn't even know the difference between sativa and indica need to sort their lives out but that generalisation cannot be made to everyone who smokes weed and isn't a musician. Since I started smoking I have felt more creative and started up music production so in a sense it has opened my mind up to alternative roots.

best ******* post in this thread. i refrained from posting because i could argue for weeks about it and from what i can see it's just going around in circles, but you're 100% right.

there's a huge difference in **** you buy off some tramp in the street, unflushed and uncured, possibly "grit" weed and possibly sprayed. god knows what you're smoking. the majority of weed i've smoked that i've got from usual street dealers has not been cured or flushed whatsoever, doesn't stay lit and leaves a black greasy ash rather than a nice white/grey ash. luckily, now i smoke well-grown weed and i'd say it's honestly as good as medical grade, and i always have a choice of strains, so i can research what effect that particular strain has on me and depending on my mood, i can choose a sativa, indica, hybrid etc. obviously though, not everyone can do this - depends who you know.

that's why it should be legalised imo, because at least then people will know what they're buying, and there's no chance they'll be smoking chemical filled badly-grown ****. i accept weed is not for everyone, and and nobody should have it before the age of 18, because it can affect brain development in adolescents. but in my personal experience, it's easier for someone under 18 to get weed than it is for them to get alcohol, because alcohol is obviously heavily regulated and everywhere asks for id - a dealer doesn't care how old you are, they just want your money. that risk would minimised greatly with legalisation. probably just a pipedream though tbf.

[Glen Coco]

because you've seen one thing of me i can now be compared to widespread hatred? great.
in no way do i promote racism and this is NOTHING like that.
i am not 'wrong' because what i have said is from personal viewpoint, i'm not saying that i'm right, or trying to force people to think the way in which i am; yet i'm not also going to back down because you've thrown a load of 'facts' together.
your ganging up and calling me 'disgusting' isn't exactly fair. like i said, my view is from personal experience and not based on facts.
you have your view, whether that's personal or from research, and i have mine.
build a bridge and get over it.

[Judas]

because you've seen one thing of me i can now be compared to widespread hatred? great.
in no way do i promote racism and this is NOTHING like that.
i am not 'wrong' because what i have said is from personal viewpoint, i'm not saying that i'm right, or trying to force people to think the way in which i am; yet i'm not also going to back down because you've thrown a load of 'facts' together.
your ganging up and calling me 'disgusting' isn't exactly fair. like i said, my view is from personal experience and not based on facts.
you have your view, whether that's personal or from research, and i have mine.
build a bridge and get over it.

So if someone came up to you and said, for example, "all blacks should be brutally murdered because they are all violent scum" because he had a "personal experience" where a black person attacked him, you'd find that acceptable because it's just his opinion? Even though it is a fact (no need for speech marks, they're facts whatever way you slice it) that not all black men would be out to harm him? Obviously that's an exaggerated case of the mindset you're using here, but the principle is there.

[Glen Coco]

So if someone came up to you and said, for example, "all blacks should be brutally murdered because they are all violent scum" because he had a "personal experience" where a black person attacked him, you'd find that acceptable because it's just his opinion? Even though it is a fact (no need for speech marks, they're facts whatever way you slice it) that not all black men would be out to harm him? Obviously that's an exaggerated case of the mindset you're using here, but the principle is there.


that is completely different!
that is being offensive and unreasonable.
no, that is not the 'mindset' that i am using and you are being ridiculous.

[Judas]

that is completely different!
that is being offensive and unreasonable.
no, that is not the 'mindset' that i am using and you are being ridiculous.

It's not really though, is it? You're basing your opinion solely on limited personal experience and refuse to take in hard facts for reasons which escape me, that's also unreasonable. It's an exaggerated situation but it's the same concept.

[OllzIsTasty]

I smoke the ganja on special occasions which is like once a month. :)

[Glen Coco]

It's not really though, is it? You're basing your opinion solely on limited personal experience and refuse to take in hard facts for reasons which escape me, that's also unreasonable. It's an exaggerated situation but it's the same concept.
but it's completley not!
i'm not 'refusing to take in hard facts'

i know the facts of weed and that it is supposedly not addictive or harmful but realistically it can be. yes, my opinions are based on personal opinion but i'm not ignoring the facts and i'm not stupid.
and this is nothing like racism.
you can't also base everything you think upon facts and research; it's like saying that everyone's evil because of the results on Stanley Milgram's study, so is that entirely true and should everyone stand against that?

[Judas]

but it's completley not!
i'm not 'refusing to take in hard facts'

i know the facts of weed and that it is supposedly not addictive or harmful but realistically it can be. yes, my opinions are based on personal opinion but i'm not ignoring the facts and i'm not stupid.
and this is nothing like racism.

:rolleyes:

Look up the definition of fact bbe, there's no supposedly about it.

In fact, let me do it for you. "A thing that is indisputably the case." Synonyms: reality - deed - actuality - truth - case - circumstance

I hope you understand better now :)


you can't also base everything you think upon facts and research; it's like saying that everyone's evil because of the results on Stanley Milgram's study, so is that entirely true and should everyone stand against that?

Oh yes, why should we not believe concrete scientific evidence? It would be so ridiculous that we should bring up such FACTS (that cannot be disproven, see above) in a debate about something that calls on scientific research for a decision to be made. I'm sure many heroin users think that heroin is FAB, so let's trust their opinion of it, because OBVIOUSLY the facts don't matter.

[Glen Coco]

:rolleyes:

Look up the definition of fact bbe, there's no supposedly about it.

In fact, let me do it for you. "A thing that is indisputably the case." Synonyms: reality - deed - actuality - truth - case - circumstance

I hope you understand better now :)



Oh yes, why should we not believe concrete scientific evidence? It would be so ridiculous that we should bring up such FACTS (that cannot be disproven, see above) in a debate about something that calls on scientific research for a decision to be made. I'm sure many heroin users think that meth is FAB, so let's trust their opinion of it, because OBVIOUSLY the facts don't matter.


actually, seeing a you're so factual about weed you'd know it's not physically addictive but is psychologically addictive.
don't treat me like i'm stupid 'bbe'.
so you're saying every human being is evil because a small, un-generalisable sample of the US population would follow instruction from an authoritative figure. right, ok. makes so much sense right?


edit:
i actually said 'the facts AND it is supposedly not addictive, ect.'
sugeesting that i know facts about marijuana AAAANNNDDDDD the 'it is supposedly not addictive' suggested that i knew myths about it.

thanks, smart ass.

[Judas]

actually, seeing a you're so factual about weed you'd know it's not physically addictive but is psychologically addictive.
don't treat me like i'm stupid 'bbe'.
so you're saying every human being is evil because a small, un-generalisable sample of the US population would follow instruction from an authoritative figure. right, ok. makes so much sense right?


edit:
i actually said 'the facts AND it is supposedly not addictive, ect.'
sugeesting that i know facts about marijuana AAAANNNDDDDD the 'it is supposedly not addictive' suggested that i knew myths about it.

thanks, smart ass.

Psychologically addictive? Just like ANYTHING could be? CAFFEINE is more addictive than weed.

And no, I'm not. You're saying weed is bad and should be illegal because a small, un-generalisable sample of people you know allowed weed to take over their lives. right, ok. makes so much sense right? < you've just put a major flaw in your argument there by using that example

The way you keep resorting to personal insults is very telling, though. Keep trying it :)

[Glen Coco]

Psychologically addictive? Just like ANYTHING could be? CAFFEINE is more addictive than weed.

And no, I'm not. You're saying weed is bad and should be illegal because a small, un-generalisable sample of people you know allowed weed to take over their lives. right, ok. makes so much sense right? < you've just put a major flaw in your argument there by using that example

The way you keep resorting to personal insults is very telling, though. Keep trying it :)


i don't think you can talk about posting 'personal insults' as that's what you've been doing constantly. thanks.

and yes, i'm saying it should be illegal or be controlled.

what's wrong with saying it can be addictive, as it can and IT'S BEEN PROVEN. holy crap you're trying to pick up every little thing and turn it into an argument. pretty pathetic actually.

[dirrty]

come on guys, lets all just blaze up and be friends

[Judas]

i don't think you can talk about posting 'personal insults' as that's what you've been doing constantly. thanks.

and yes, i'm saying it should be illegal or be controlled.

what's wrong with saying it can be addictive, as it can and IT'S BEEN PROVEN. holy crap you're trying to pick up every little thing and turn it into an argument. pretty pathetic actually.

Quote me on a personal insult, when you've told me to **** off and called me a smart ass? It isn't my fault if you can't create a sufficient argument without being personal :S

Yes it can be addictive, but whether the actual substance is addictive (like tobacco, for example), or if it's just by habit, is still not known. I don't think that is a reason for it to be illegal though.

And this isn't a personal argument, you keep trying to make it one by calling me things like a "smart ass" though. It's a debate, people often debate things. If you are incapable of doing so then discontinue, as you said you were going to a while ago :)

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come on guys, lets all just blaze up and be friends

i will do at watch the throne this friday, we'll do it then yh

o wait

-files nails-

[FlyingJesus]

i know the facts of weed and that it is supposedly not addictive or harmful but realistically it can be. yes, my opinions are based on personal opinion but i'm not ignoring the facts and i'm not stupid.

I know the facts on Africans and that they are supposedly not inferior or stupid but realistically some can be. Yes, this opinion is based on personal opinion but I'm not ignoring the facts and I'm not racist

All generalisations are bad and have no place in proper discussions, especially when you're talking about things that directly affect other people such as legal issues. If you can't see what's wrong with saying "people who abuse a substance can be damaged by it, therefore it's bad full stop" then I wonder how you get through the day

[Glen Coco]

I know the facts on Africans and that they are supposedly not inferior or stupid but realistically some can be. Yes, this opinion is based on personal opinion but I'm not ignoring the facts and I'm not racist

All generalisations are bad and have no place in proper discussions, especially when you're talking about things that directly affect other people such as legal issues. If you can't see what's wrong with saying "people who abuse a substance can be damaged by it, therefore it's bad full stop" then I wonder how you get through the day


i never said it was bad full stop?
Judas; you mentioned a lot of personal digs and insults so don't even try to act all innocent and perfect :rolleyes:
i didn't say that addiction is the reason it should be illegal and i didn't say that i knew why it was addictive.
i'm not creating a personal argument but you've been practically calling me stupid for the whole thing and not expecting me to defend myself?

[Andeeh]

best ******* post in this thread. i refrained from posting because i could argue for weeks about it and from what i can see it's just going around in circles, but you're 100% right.

there's a huge difference in **** you buy off some tramp in the street, unflushed and uncured, possibly "grit" weed and possibly sprayed. god knows what you're smoking. the majority of weed i've smoked that i've got from usual street dealers has not been cured or flushed whatsoever, doesn't stay lit and leaves a black greasy ash rather than a nice white/grey ash. luckily, now i smoke well-grown weed and i'd say it's honestly as good as medical grade, and i always have a choice of strains, so i can research what effect that particular strain has on me and depending on my mood, i can choose a sativa, indica, hybrid etc. obviously though, not everyone can do this - depends who you know.

that's why it should be legalised imo, because at least then people will know what they're buying, and there's no chance they'll be smoking chemical filled badly-grown ****. i accept weed is not for everyone, and and nobody should have it before the age of 18, because it can affect brain development in adolescents. but in my personal experience, it's easier for someone under 18 to get weed than it is for them to get alcohol, because alcohol is obviously heavily regulated and everywhere asks for id - a dealer doesn't care how old you are, they just want your money. that risk would minimised greatly with legalisation. probably just a pipedream though tbf.

Completely agree with legalisation for the benefit of actually having some decent stuff which isn't sprayed to **** that I used to get. It would be nice to have a coffee shop style that shows the menus and actually get correct weights that aren't skanking the customer out.

Another intersting thought which I posted in another thread http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4290079/Green-Partys-Home-Affairs-spokesman-Ben-Duncan-wants-to-turn-Brighton-into-Europes-pot-smoking-destination.html

[FlyingJesus]

i never said it was bad full stop?

You believe it ought to be illegal, one would therefore assume that you think it's pretty bad. Here's the problem:


I do agree that it affects your mind but only if it's done a lot, hence why i don't agree with legalising it.

Name me one chemical that is not dangerous in copious amounts

[Glen Coco]

You believe it ought to be illegal, one would therefore assume that you think it's pretty bad. Here's the problem:




Name me one chemical that is not dangerous in copious amounts
see that's where you're assuming.
i don't agree that it's entirely bad and i never said there weren't chemicals that are legal that wouldn't be dangerous in large amounts.
i just believe it'd cause more problems then benefits if made legal.
however, i do agree that it'd probably be safer if made legal, like Andeeh; mentioned.

[FlyingJesus]

Forgive me for assuming that wanting something to be made/kept illegal meant thinking it's bad enough to remove people from society for it...

I'm glad that you've shown an ability to learn though, as you've just expressed a completely different opinion to the one you've been saying so far this thread :P


If it was legal than think of how many kids would be smoking it, let's face it age restrictions don't stop underage drinking or smoking so why would t affect marijuana? It messed with your brain so much if smoked regularly , and people would be more open about it and probably smoke it more if it was legal, this increasing the amount it was used. This would mean more psychological damage to the people smoking it and would dramatically affect how well people did in education. The people that smoke it wouldn't be able to function properly in work because they'd be high or 'coming down'.

i'm not saying that there are no reasons that it should be legalised, i'm just saying i don't personally think it should be

if it became legal it would be done far more and much more openly then it is now which, much like alcohol and tobacco, encourages children to start and binge drink, getting themselves into dangerous situations at young ages.

I PERSONALLY don't think it should be legal.

[Glen Coco]

Forgive me for assuming that wanting something to be made/kept illegal meant thinking it's bad enough to remove people from society for it...

I'm glad that you've shown an ability to learn though, as you've just expressed a completely different opinion to the one you've been saying so far this thread :P

ok i'm probably really contradicting myself but i don't think it should be removed entirely from society, just not made more publicised. I'm saying this with the viewpoint that just because something's illegal it doesn't stop people from doing it.

[Judas]

Judas; you mentioned a lot of personal digs and insults so don't even try to act all innocent and perfect :rolleyes:
i didn't say that addiction is the reason it should be illegal and i didn't say that i knew why it was addictive.
i'm not creating a personal argument but you've been practically calling me stupid for the whole thing and not expecting me to defend myself?

I remain unquoted, your point remains invalid.

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ok i'm probably really contradicting myself but i don't think it should be removed entirely from society, just not made more publicised. I'm saying this with the viewpoint that just because something's illegal it doesn't stop people from doing it.

...yes, you have been for a while now

[Glen Coco]

I remain unquoted, your point remains invalid.





...yes, you have been for a while now

lets face it anything i say is invalid to you.

[Judas]

lets face it anything i say is invalid to you.

i'm sorry you feel that way

[Glen Coco]

i'm sorry you feel that way

suppose it's ok XOXOXXOXOXOXOX

[Walks06]

Weed is just not appropriate full stop. I'm not angel when it comes to that sort of stuff but would never go near weed ever again. Grim.

[Andeeh]

Weed is just not appropriate full stop. I'm not angel when it comes to that sort of stuff but would never go near weed ever again. Grim.

Im just wondering why is it not appropiate?

[Walks06]

Because it smells bad, just makes you zone out! Yeah alright if you have back pain or something but i hate the stuff. IMO afterall

[Robbie]

Because it smells bad, just makes you zone out!

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[Rozi]

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omg weed for me is so infuriating as it either makes me just mong
or I have all these fantastic ideas that I can't articulate and that no one understands and I get so frustrated

[Walks06]

Trapped in the closet?? lol

[Judas]

omg weed for me is so infuriating as it either makes me just mong
or I have all these fantastic ideas that I can't articulate and that no one understands and I get so frustrated

I just get proper chilled out and find humour in literally everything

[Choco]

i like how we as a young generation have grown up in such a change where everybody is more open to express themselves! so we don't judge everyone like an older generation, i don't care if someone does something illegal or legal, it's their business not ours, why someone things there opinion should govern someone else life and actions i don't know. and weed isn't bad for you in short term use, in long term use like over 4 years of hard usage, it can cause paranoia and stuff, nobody even dies from taking weed, soo....

[Judas]

i like how we as a young generation have grown up in such a change where everybody is more open to express themselves! so we don't judge everyone like an older generation, i don't care if someone does something illegal or legal, it's their business not ours, why someone things there opinion should govern someone else life and actions i don't know. and weed isn't bad for you in short term use, in long term use like over 4 years of hard usage, it can cause paranoia and stuff, nobody even dies from taking weed, soo....

well that is only applicable with certain things. i mean killing people is illegal, i think i'd judge someone on that.

[Blinger]

very much for it, anyone can have it if they want.... doesn't affect me whatsoever. wouldn't judge someone over it either

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[Choco]

but what was the reason for killing that person? its a complex subject its like saying if a woman killed a man does that make her a bad mother? there's always 2 feeling we'll have a good one and a bad one. its what we do and the main reason Weed isn't legal is because it contains a natural extract called cannabis-oids which actually help prevent cancer, and anyone can create the medicine so the government made it illegal because they can't actually tax it because anyone can make it.

[Robbie]

YO HOOK A BRO UP?

BIG UP THE BLING BLING MASSIVE


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[SaintsDead]

I use to smoke it a bit.. but never bought it, nor were i addicted to it, it were just something that were there and made me feel good inside.. relaxed and calm without a care in the world.. good days tbh D;