poor moderation/attention to reports

[Rozi]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=748436&p=7

so I reported this thread when it was posted and it still hasn't been removed?

As far as I'm aware, offering to buy accounts for credits is against the habbo way and therefore against the forum rules. I thought if habbox was seen to be allowing this sort of behaviour against the habbo way then it was at risk of being removed as an official fansite?

Either way there aren't enough people moderating or they're not paying attention to reports. You can't use the excuse that it was the middle of the night or people were busy - it's far past the end of school time.

[Stephen]

The moderation team are great people who do their job very well

How dare you accuse them of poor moderation

TRY AND INFRACT ME NOW MARTIN HA

Edited by Martin (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make pointless posts.

[Samantha]

Yeah, I reported this earlier and I was going to ask Matt how come pointless posts get treated immediately yet more severe rule breaks don't.

I've often seen super moderators online (not sure if they're on their phone or not) and they don't deal with it, (like I said not sure if they're on their phones) I know me and you aren't the only ones to report that post and I keep stressing that waiting nearly a day in some cases for mods to moderate a thread is a bit extreme, a couple of hours yeah but surely that should have been seen to immediately if not by smods then by general management if online.

However, normal mods should be able to see that is against the rules as it got 2 posts informing her so.

Not a rant at mods but I think more severe cases should be dealt with before less sever ones.

Don't agree at 4 people saying basically same thing though :/.

[j0rd]

I reported it as it was posted also :rolleyes:

[Zelda]

Ye agree with sam, also reported that i think, though not sure, though it is nice that we got a chance to warn her first and in my case tell her the pure brutal truth of what can happen about it, things like this should be treated as priority. I refuse to believe that no mods would be on from the time when it's posted till a few hours after the last person to report it, that's just rediculous, after all we don't want people actually selling to her and getting banned aswell, as i've said plenty of times before, we need an idea of seriousness and acting quickly on quicker things then moderating petty things that just cause whole arguements in feedback.

[Inseriousity.]

Lol honestly, two hours. Yes, it's breaking the rules but it's an overexaggeration to suggest that there is poor moderation because it's not done within 2 hours. Ideally, everything would be done straight away but that's not how things work and they do take time. If it'd been a day or something then I think you'd have a case but two hours is ridiculous. I am at uni currently writing essays and I know this is a time when people revise for exams so that might explain why it's not been done despite school finishing at half 3.

[xxMATTGxx]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=748436&p=7

so I reported this thread when it was posted and it still hasn't been removed?

As far as I'm aware, offering to buy accounts for credits is against the habbo way and therefore against the forum rules. I thought if habbox was seen to be allowing this sort of behaviour against the habbo way then it was at risk of being removed as an official fansite?

Either way there aren't enough people moderating or they're not paying attention to reports. You can't use the excuse that it was the middle of the night or people were busy - it's far past the end of school time.

Well it's not like the post report was ignored, it just wasn't checked by any Super Moderator or Admin. This is probably due to the fact that no one with the power to be able to move the thread was online at the time. Moderators/Super Moderators/Admins can't be on the forum 24/7 dealing with reported posts or rule breaks. If someone was online at the time and it was made aware to them then I'm pretty sure it would be removed straight away.


The moderation team are great people who do their job very well

How dare you accuse them of poor moderation

TRY AND INFRACT ME NOW MARTIN HA

Provide actual feedback next time.

[Chris]

2 hours isn't that bad so I think this thread is a bit of an overreaction. :P If no one was on to deal with it at the time then theres nothing that can be done about it, however if there was any moderators online for that section at around the time it was posted then it should probably have been done quicker because moderators should be browsing their forums regularly.

[Lee]

There's only two active people in this department that could have seen your reports, that to me isn't enough. Of course, it could have been spotted by a moderator anyway and should have been but I don't know what it was, where it was or when it was posted since it's been removed. It's gone now, and brandon returns tomorrow so hopefully things will improve on our side :)

[Martin]

Maybe we needa get David to code up some CCTV for the forum for periods where there are no super moderators/admins online to check post reports. Or failing that some robots to take over when we need to sleep/eat/be at work etc. (Moderators dont all go to school unfortunately some of us are ancient). I can see where you're coming from but I don't think 2 hours is that great a deal really, especially in this case. We do normally prioritise which reports to do first when there are lots of them, dealing with the more serious ones first such as any dangerous links/highly inappropriate material etc and working our way down. Sometimes there will be delays unfortunately but I guess thats life and its always been that way at least since I've been a moderator in 2009 really. If someone capable of removing the thread was online at the time then I'm sure it would have been removed but unfortunately it seems there was not, and there will be periods where this happens and unlucky situations where everyone is offline. We are a bit put out at the minute in terms of lack of management, but im sure once brandon is back things will be okay. and yes Samanfa; we are on our phones etc sometimes and I'm sure you can appreciate its extremely difficult to moderate on a phone, however I try to keep this to a minimum so that when it says I'm online I'm available to deal with stuff should serious stuff pop up all of a sudden. I think if moderators are browsing their forums as they should be then there shouldnt be too much of a problem.

[Samantha]

The moderation team are great people who do their job very well

How dare you accuse them of poor moderation

TRY AND INFRACT ME NOW MARTIN HA

Edited by Martin (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make pointless posts.

That's not pointless :S.

Anyway, thanks for informing me of that Martin.

[Nick.]

whinge whinge whinge, get over it. i swear some people are just on this forum to find problems with everything. one minute the mod team are doing too much and are power mad, the next minute they're not doing enough?? I don't think they could ever win!

[dbgtz]

whinge whinge whinge, get over it. i swear some people are just on this forum to find problems with everything. one minute the mod team are doing too much and are power mad, the next minute they're not doing enough?? I don't think they could ever win!

I think it's safe to say they're like needing to do a turd. When you actually need the toilet (the moderators) it's frustrating as hell, but once the end result occurs there is some satisfaction.

[Nick.]

I think it's safe to say they're like needing to do a turd. When you actually need the toilet (the moderators) it's frustrating as hell, but once the end result occurs there is some satisfaction.

i love toilet analogies.

[Stephen]

did you get a +rep from each moderator on the forum

anyway soz everything i say is pointless so im just gonna say that you need to hire more people preferably good people kthx

[Robbie]

bring me back as a super mod, all will be fixed

[xxMATTGxx]

did you get a +rep from each moderator on the forum

anyway soz everything i say is pointless so im just gonna say that you need to hire more people preferably good people kthx

Your example of "Good" is people who do not give you any warnings or infractions eh? :P

[Stephen]

EXACTLY

finally someone understands the problem infecting this forum's moderation department

[xxMATTGxx]

EXACTLY

finally someone understands the problem infecting this forum's moderation department

You are very lucky and you take it for granted! :(

[The Don]

I've currently got an active report against a moderator in the report a staff member section for targeting. It's crazy that some moderators have time to go through closed threads and issue out pointless user notes for 'Posting off topic' to those they dislike yet haven't got time to check their reports. I too have reported someone for spamming loads of threads/bumping yet nothing has happened about it. I think a few of the Mods here are very selective in who they punish, following the book down to the letter to some users, whilst letting others get away with murder because they are friends with them or because they are also staff.

[Zelda]

No idea if what aikeem is saying is true, but if it is its quite shocking tbh. I do often find it rediculous the priorities set, though personally don't feel too affected by it, I still do hear a lot of people saying what aikeem has just said and jolly hope this ain't the case for the most part as favouritism really isn't great. Won't personally pass judgement though as I don't personally have any evidence to support an arguement x

[Chris]

I've currently got an active report against a moderator in the report a staff member section for targeting. It's crazy that some moderators have time to go through closed threads and issue out pointless user notes for 'Posting off topic' to those they dislike yet haven't got time to check their reports. I too have reported someone for spamming loads of threads/bumping yet nothing has happened about it. I think a few of the Mods here are very selective in who they punish, following the book down to the letter to some users, whilst letting others get away with murder because they are friends with them or because they are also staff.

Wheres your evidence? Moderators don't ignore rule breaks just because the thread is closed, if you broke the rule then you broke the rule and should take what you get for it. Super moderators have a huge role and can't always drop what they are doing when someone reports something, plus the fact that even if you report something it is down to the moderators judgement who is dealing with the report to make that final decision on what is and isn't breaking the rules.

Mods aren't selective with who they punish. If someone breaks the rules then they are going to be contacted regardless of their friendship to the moderator or their staff position.

[myke]

I've currently got an active report against a moderator in the report a staff member section for targeting. It's crazy that some moderators have time to go through closed threads and issue out pointless user notes for 'Posting off topic' to those they dislike yet haven't got time to check their reports. I too have reported someone for spamming loads of threads/bumping yet nothing has happened about it. I think a few of the Mods here are very selective in who they punish, following the book down to the letter to some users, whilst letting others get away with murder because they are friends with them or because they are also staff.


I'd also like to point out RE: this point that a lot of the time it isn't actually the moderator doing the targeting. Most of the cases I've seen where people are being 'targeted' is in fact because somebody is nit-picking and reporting a member's posts to get them into trouble & it's just so that this one moderator deals with all of the reports.

[The Don]

Wheres your evidence? Moderators don't ignore rule breaks just because the thread is closed, if you broke the rule then you broke the rule and should take what you get for it. Super moderators have a huge role and can't always drop what they are doing when someone reports something, plus the fact that even if you report something it is down to the persons judgement who is dealing with the report to make the final decision (Within reason) on what is and isn't breaking the rules.

Mods aren't selective with who they punish. If someone breaks the rules then they are going to be contacted regardless of their friendship to the moderator or their staff position.

I'm not going to divulge into my complaint, that's why it's in the complaints section, but believe me there is sufficient evidence. A member of GM also agrees that it does appear to be targeting so obviously my claims do have some credibility.

Also, personal judgement or not, it's obvious to anyone with any ounce of common sense that bumping 6 threads which haven't been posted in for the past 10 days or so, and in some of those threads that individual has been the last person to post 2 or 3 times constitutes rule breaking.

[Chris]

I'm not going to divulge into my complaint, that's why it's in the complaints section, but believe me there is sufficient evidence. A member of GM also agrees that it does appear to be targeting so obviously my claims do have some credibility.

Also, personal judgement or not, it's obvious to anyone with any ounce of common sense that bumping 6 threads which haven't been posted in for the past 10 days or so, and in some of those threads that individual has been the last person to post 2 or 3 times constitutes rule breaking.

I never asked you to divulge any private information. I find your accusations ridiculous personally as in my view you just don't like being punished for breaking the rules.

In terms of bumping it really depends on the section and the content of the post. Posting in a thread which hasn't been posted in for 10 days is not bumping and members should be encouraged to post in as many threads as they like, theres no cap on the amount of posts someone can make and so long as the post is relevant then there shouldn't be a problem with it.

[The Don]

I never asked you to divulge any private information. I find your accusations ridiculous personally as in my view you just don't like being punished for breaking the rules.

In terms of bumping it really depends on the section and the content of the post. Posting in a thread which hasn't been posted in for 10 days is not bumping and members should be encouraged to post in as many threads as they like, theres no cap on the amount of posts someone can make and so long as the post is relevant then there shouldn't be a problem with it.

Yes you did


Wheres your evidence?

I refuse to get into a petty squabble with you. I find you ridiculous personally and in my view you just don't like people being critical of your friends.

Members should be encouraged to bump (yes it is bumping if nobody else has responded to that thread) multiple threads which they have created themselves? Pretty silly if you ask me.

[Martin]

I never asked you to divulge any private information. I find your accusations ridiculous personally as in my view you just don't like being punished for breaking the rules.

In terms of bumping it really depends on the section and the content of the post. Posting in a thread which hasn't been posted in for 10 days is not bumping and members should be encouraged to post in as many threads as they like, theres no cap on the amount of posts someone can make and so long as the post is relevant then there shouldn't be a problem with it.


It was also in the spam section that this took place in, and if a member wants to post in her own threads then I see no problem with that. It wasn't that excessive and I did get several opinions on the matter who all said that her posts were fine, so you're basically saying that there are a bunch of people with no common sense walking round. Posting 6 times in the spam section is not spamming up the forum, it hardly made a dent on my new posts, and the member only posted in her threads because she cares about discussion and making the forums active. That in my eyes is not an offense, especially in the spam forum, hell no!

In terms of targetting you, I really don't have any problems with you or any member of this forum. I don't hold grudges, infact I hardly have opinions on anybody here at all. I do my job based on the evidence I am given and the rules. I do not go round praying specific people will break the rules, you could have been anyone else and I still would have took action on those posts, you do not mean that much to me believe it or not. :P

As moderators one of the most important things is remaining impartial at all times. I would most certainly never target someone and I am sorry if it has come accross that way.

If you feel my decisions have been wrong then I'm sure a member of forum management will happilly reverse them if they see fit, however I use my judgement to make a decision based on the post- nothing else. I'm sure your complaint will be dealt with accordingly however and any unfair usernotes reversed :)

[Chris]

Yes you did

Asking for evidence is not private information if the posts are publicly available.


I refuse to get into a petty squabble with you. I find you ridiculous personally and in my view you just don't like people being critical of your friends.

Theres a difference between being critical and outright moaning every 5 minutes just because you disagree with a rule. You don't need to make a scene and a big deal out of an issue, if you have made an official complaint in the support forum then you should leave it in the support forum instead of publicly slating moderators at every opportunity you get.


Members should be encouraged to bump (yes it is bumping if nobody else has responded to that thread) multiple threads which they have created themselves? Pretty silly if you ask me.

There is no rule which states you can't bump after a certain time period, only that you cannot bump threads pointlessly.

[The Don]

Martin;

Where have I said it’s you? Again, you’re a moderator, you should know this isn’t the place for personal complaints so I’m shocked you’re encouraging it with a post to me which would obviously receive a response.

It is bumping and it is breaking the rules. If you don’t believe me, have a look in the thread Oli posted in the spam section


~ It is not allowed to post pointless posts or threads like "aifdhgsdfhgsdo" or numerous threads which essentially "spam" the New Posts search.

Nowhere have I said or even implied that “that there are a bunch of people with no common sense walking round” which doesn’t make sense btw, you’re inferring that from your skewed interpretations

Apparently you wouldn’t take specific action, considering that thread consisted mainly of off topic posts and it was only mine and Recusions you picked up on.

You are also clearly not impartial which is shown by your refusal to apologise for giving me a false warning (which I made a thread about and a conclusion was reached by the General Manager that I didn’t break any rules) It seems extremely rude that you didn’t correct your mistake, or do you still feel that I did break the rules (in by doing so you are directly undermining Matt’s decision)

Anyway, as I said, I’m not here for an argument, hence my refusal to name you originally, you chose to cause an argument out of it I was merely giving my opinion on poor moderation which is the topic of this thread.

[myke]

I'm not going to divulge into my complaint, that's why it's in the complaints section, but believe me there is sufficient evidence. A member of GM also agrees that it does appear to be targeting so obviously my claims do have some credibility.

Also, personal judgement or not, it's obvious to anyone with any ounce of common sense that bumping 6 threads which haven't been posted in for the past 10 days or so, and in some of those threads that individual has been the last person to post 2 or 3 times constitutes rule breaking.

I'd just like to point out RE: the bold bit that this member of GM did not agree with you being targeted, they were in fact referring to the posts not being dealt with, which I have looked at and that's because the posts haven't been reported. Most moderators will just deal with the posts which are reported when in a rush, and it just so happens that your posts were reported, so it would seem to you that you're being targeted! I understand that it might seem like it but in reality, you're not being targeted by the moderator.

[Chris]

Martin;

Where have I said it’s you? Again, you’re a moderator, you should know this isn’t the place for personal complaints so I’m shocked you’re encouraging it with a post to me which would obviously receive a response.

It is bumping and it is breaking the rules. If you don’t believe me, have a look in the thread Olli posted in the spam section



Nowhere have I said or even implied that “that there are a bunch of people with no common sense walking round” which doesn’t make sense btw, you’re inferring that from your skewed interpretations

Apparently you wouldn’t take specific action considering that thread consisted mainly of off topic posts and it was only mine and Recusions you picked up on.
You are also clearly not impartial which is shown by your refusal to apologise for giving me a false warning (which I made a thread about and a conclusion was reached by the General Manager that I didn’t break any rules) It seems extremely rude that you didn’t correct your mistake, or do you still feel that I did break the rules (in by doing so you are directly undermining Matt’s decision.

Anyway, as I said, I’m not here for an argument, hence my refusal to name you originally, you chose to cause an argument out of it I was merely giving my opinion on poor moderation which is the topic of this thread.

You're lucky you even got an apology after the way you have spoken to the staff members which give up their time to do this job.

Anywho in reply to the bumping thing, none of the posts you reported contained anything along the lines of "aifdhgsdfhgsdo" (As far as I know anyway) and neither did they spam new posts or cause any bother to other forum members. Had it have been 15 posts or something like that then yes I would have agreed with you, but 6 posts is nothing.

[The Don]

I'd just like to point out RE: the bold bit that this member of GM did not agree with you being targeted, they were in fact referring to the posts not being dealt with, which I have looked at and that's because the posts haven't been reported. Most moderators will just deal with the posts which are reported when in a rush, and it just so happens that your posts were reported, so it would seem to you that you're being targeted! I understand that it might seem like it but in reality, you're not being targeted by the moderator.

Those posts not being dealt with and my posts being dealt with absolutely show targeting, how could you argue anything else?

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You're lucky you even got an apology after the way you have spoken to the staff members which give up their time to do this job.

Any who in reply to the bumping thing, none of the posts you reported contained anything along the lines of "aifdhgsdfhgsdo" (As far as I know anyway) and neither did they spam newposts or cause any bother to other forum members. Had it have been 15 posts or something like that then yes I would have agreed with you, but 6 posts is nothing.

I'll address the rest of your comments when you have the decency to actually read my posts. If you did read my post correctly, you would have noticed the part where I said I hadn't received an apology.

[Chris]

Those posts not being dealt with and my posts being dealt with absolutely show targeting, how could you argue anything else?

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I'll address the rest of your comments when you have the decency to actually read my posts. If you did read my post correctly, you would have noticed the part where I said I hadn't received an apology.

He may not have apologised for that previous situation, but nonetheless he has said sorry here and is quite apologetic about the situation, give him a break.


As moderators one of the most important things is remaining impartial at all times. I would most certainly never target someone and I am sorry if it has come accross that way.

[myke]

Those posts not being dealt with and my posts being dealt with absolutely show targeting, how could you argue anything else?

I just explained to you that the posts were reported and therefore dealt with, perhaps if you had reported the other pointless posts in the thread then they would be dealt with just as equally :)

[The Don]

I just explained to you that the posts were reported and therefore dealt with, perhaps if you had reported the other pointless posts in the thread then they would be dealt with just as equally :)

If a moderator has been alerted of a thread with rule breaking, is it not common sense to look at the thread to see if rule breaking has been persistent? If so, he would of noticed the other pointless posts (and I am going to presume he did read the rest of the thread) so yes, it still in my eyes is targeting.

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He may not have apologised for that previous situation, but nonetheless he has said sorry here and is quite apologetic about the situation, give him a break.

No, he didn’t apologise, that previous situation wasn't even mentioned until I posted about it (which was after his ‘apology’.

[Samantha]

Surely if someone picked up a pointless post by akeam then the moderator should look at the whole thread to are if any other posts could be deemed pointless. Just because they aren't reported doesn't mean they aren't there.

Akeam beat me.

[The Don]

Surely if someone picked up a pointless post by akeam then the moderator should look at the whole thread to are if any other posts could be deemed pointless. Just because they aren't reported doesn't mean they aren't there.

He clearly did look at the rest of the thread but either couldn't understand that they were pointless posts (which I find unlikely) or he decided to not pick them up on it.

[myke]

If a moderator has been alerted of a thread with rule breaking, is it not common sense to look at the thread to see if rule breaking has been persistent? If so, he would of noticed the other pointless posts (and I am going to presume he did read the rest of the thread) so yes, it still in my eyes is targeting.

I would love to put you in the position of a 1-man-team super moderator for a week and see just how well you'd stick to what you've said. There's a process that has to be done when sending out warnings and reading the rest of the thread may be overlooked because of this process. As I have said, if the other posts had been reported then they would've been dealt with in exactly the same way.

[Chris]

No, he didn’t apologise, that previous situation wasn't even mentioned until I posted about it (which was after his ‘apology’.

If he hasn't been personally contacted by the forum manager (Or in this case Matt) then he has nothing to be apologising for.


Surely if someone picked up a pointless post by akeam then the moderator should look at the whole thread to are if any other posts could be deemed pointless. Just because they aren't reported doesn't mean they aren't there.

Akeam beat me.

I do agree but things are easily missed due to the reasons that Myke has mentioned above, so I don't think complaining about it is necessary. All it takes is the click of a few buttons to simply report a post which could have been missed so I don't think it's too much to ask. :P

[Samantha]

Why should it have to matter if they're reported though?

Nvm saw post above.

[The Don]

I would love to put you in the position of a 1-man-team super moderator for a week and see just how well you'd stick to what you've said. There's a process that has to be done when sending out warnings and reading the rest of the thread may be overlooked because of this process. As I have said, if the other posts had been reported then they would've been dealt with in exactly the same way.

It would be a breeze because I would use common sense and not persecute people when they’ve hardly done anything wrong. Rules are there to keep the forum in order. Pointless posting is against the rules because it encourages further pointless posts to be made in that thread thus turning it off topic. I, along with pretty much everyone in a functioning society, understand the concept of common sense. I would realise this thread has already been closed (not due to pointless posting) and would have left it as it’s hardly much of an issue and would most likely cause more trouble than it’s worth (look here for an example)

[xxMATTGxx]

You really need to stay away from pointing and putting a blame on one single person while in a feedback thread otherwise it turns into a complaint and then it shouldn't be in this forum. Which you have already done and it should be kept left there and no need to start bringing it back to this thread unless it's providing suggestions for the whole department.

I just want to correct a few things up and no offence to anyone:


Threads should be indeed checked for other rule breaking if posts from that thread have been reported. Now the actual posts in questions is a borderline on being pointless or not because they are indeed actually replying to other posts and it still made sense for what the actual discussion.


The whole "What is a pointless post and what isn't" is probably a big mess right now and it doesn't help when Forum Management are currently away and the moderators of the department have been waiting for quite some time for clarification over this matter. Later this week when one of the members of Forum Management returns then it is their number one priority in actually getting the guidelines down and informing the department on what is pointless and what isn't. This would then actually resolve your case because that is what it boiled down to in terms of pointless posting.

[Inseriousity.]

I'm not going to divulge into my complaint, that's why it's in the complaints section, but believe me there is sufficient evidence. A member of GM also agrees that it does appear to be targeting so obviously my claims do have some credibility.

If you are refering to said complaint thread and not a private message conversation/another thread (if the latter, I apologise), I think you'll find that I specifically mentioned that I didn't think you were being targeted by any moderator.

[The Don]

If he hasn't been personally contacted by the forum manager (Or in this case Matt) then he has nothing to be apologising for.



I do agree but things are easily missed due to the reasons that Myke has mentioned above, so I don't think complaining about it is necessary. All it takes is the click of a few buttons to simply report a post which could have been missed so I don't think it's too much to ask. :P

Are you implying that unless specifically instructed to by higher authority (and it was clarified in that thread that I did not break any rules) someone shouldn’t apologise when they are wrong and have ‘punished’ a user for that. I think it’s common decency to do so and I haven’t heard of any other super moderator who wouldn’t do so.

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If you are refering to said complaint thread and not a private message conversation/another thread (if the latter, I apologise), I think you'll find that I specifically mentioned that I didn't think you were being targeted by any moderator.

I am indeed referring to another thread.

[Chris]

Are you implying that unless specifically instructed to by higher authority (and it was clarified in that thread that I did not break any rules) someone shouldn’t apologise when they are wrong and have ‘punished’ a user for that. I think it’s common decency to do so and I haven’t heard of any other super moderator who wouldn’t do so.

Well you didn't expect him to say sorry just because you personally disagreed, did you? I know Matt mentioned it briefly in the previous thread, but yes that is exactly what I am implying.

Also I agree entirely with what Matt just said. I'm sure Brandon will clear a few things up when he's back!

[The Don]

Well you didn't expect him to say sorry just because you personally disagreed, did you? I know Matt mentioned it briefly in the previous thread, but yes that is exactly what I am implying.

Also I agree entirely with what Matt just said. I'm sure Brandon will clear a few things up when he's back!

No, I expected him to say sorry because he falsely punished me when I did nothing wrong and for wasting my time having to complain to get it cleared that I didn’t break a rule whilst it was painstakingly obvious. Matt mentioned it, yes, he also mentioned how I did not break a rule which means that Martin was wrong.

[Chris]

No, I expected him to say sorry because he falsely punished me when I did nothing wrong and for wasting my time having to complain to get it cleared that I didn’t break a rule whilst it was painstakingly obvious. Matt mentioned it, yes, he also mentioned how I did not break a rule which means that Martin was wrong.

Then it is up to Matt or forum management to undo the edit, remove the usernote and contact the moderator about it. Once thats done then you would probably get an apology.

[Samantha]

No, I expected him to say sorry because he falsely punished me when I did nothing wrong and for wasting my time having to complain to get it cleared that I didn’t break a rule whilst it was painstakingly obvious. Matt mentioned it, yes, he also mentioned how I did not break a rule which means that Martin was wrong.

Moderators can't be wrong akeam pfttt ;)

Anyway I'll he glad foa revamp when Brandon n Scotts back. Think its in dire need of change.

[The Don]

Then it is up to Matt or forum management to undo the edit, remove the usernote and contact the moderator about it. Once thats done you can probably expect an apology.

If you're going to be petty about it, fine.
xxMATTGxx;

[Typoh]

Lmfao at this thread... From what I read it took 2 hours for a mod to do something. Wow! That's absolutely FINE. Don't like? **** the forum?

LOL!

[Chris]

If you're going to be petty about it, fine.
xxMATTGxx;

I'm not being petty about anything, that is the procedure and it always has been. Yes Martin probably saw Matts post but you can't just expect that he would have seen it by chance, he has to be contacted the proper way in order to understand why it was wrong otherwise the issue can't be rectified.

[The Don]

I'm not being petty about anything, that is the procedure and it always has been. Yes Martin probably saw Matts post but you can't just expect that he would have seen it by chance, he has to be contacted the proper way in order to understand why it was wrong otherwise the issue can't be rectified.

You and I both know that he saw Matt’s post, you’re literally using anything now to give your argument some credibility. It clearly was rectified as Matt explained why his edit was wrong in that thread so I fail to see your point?

Edit:
Anyway, as Matt previously said, this isn't the place for personal arguments so please stop posting to cause one.

[Samantha]

Moderators can't be wrong akeam pfttt ;)

Anyway I'll he glad foa revamp when Brandon n Scotts back. Think its in dire need of change.

Can't edit.not meant sarcastically.

In re,ply to ilq w.e sometimes it takes 11+ hours for a report to he done. In this case the thread could have ade habbox members be scammed thus should have been dealt with quicker than leas severe ones.

[xxMATTGxx]

Moderators can't be wrong akeam pfttt ;)

Anyway I'll he glad foa revamp when Brandon n Scotts back. Think its in dire need of change.

It will be, don't you worry.


If you're going to be petty about it, fine.
xxMATTGxx;

I've removed the edit on the post. In terms of that post and the actual rule "A9. Leave moderating to the moderators" - This should also be another rule that needs to be looked at and also examples of what is breaking that rule and what isn't. This will also be sorted once Forum Management have returned back to normal duties. As there is a bit of confusion on what is breaking it and what isn't. I'll apologise on behalf of the whole department if you would like, it's not Martins or any other member of the departments fault.



Lmfao at this thread... From what I read it took 2 hours for a mod to do something. Wow! That's absolutely FINE. Don't like? **** the forum?

LOL!

This post made me laugh, kudos.

[Inseriousity.]

You and I both know that he saw Matt’s post, you’re literally using anything now to give your argument some credibility. It clearly was rectified as Matt explained why his edit was wrong in that thread so I fail to see your point?

That doesn't logically follow that Matt believes you're being targeted by said moderator though?

[Typoh]

A lot of this is off topic.. and just plain biccering...

[Samantha]

It will be, don't you worry.



I've removed the edit on the post. In terms of that post and the actual rule "A9. Leave moderating to the moderators" - This should also be another rule that needs to be looked at and also examples of what is breaking that rule and what isn't. This will also be sorted once Forum Management have returned back to normal duties. As there is a bit of confusion on what is breaking it and what ins't.




This post made me laugh, kudos.

I think really if someone goes this threads already posted then that's not moderating whereas someone going you broke rule x would be moderating. That's how I see it anyway.

[The Don]

That doesn't logically follow that Matt believes you're being targeted by said moderator though?

What? We aren't even discussing my complaint any more, this is an entirely different issue

[Chris]

You and I both know that he saw Matt’s post, you’re literally using anything now to give your argument some credibility. It clearly was rectified as Matt explained why his edit was wrong in that thread so I fail to see your point?

Edit:
Anyway, as Matt previously said, this isn't the place for personal arguments so please stop posting to cause one.

Sigh. Nothing in my posts were personal to you, you could be anyone on the forum and I would still say exactly the same thing.

Anyway, you have your answer now don't you so I hope this will be the end of it all as I'm tired of seeing moderators taking all the blame. Lets leave your other issue in the complaints forum where it should be and end the discussion about that here. I'm sure Martin will send you an apology, although if he doesn't I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Edit:
I'll apologise on behalf of the whole department if you would like, it's not Martins or any other member of the departments fault.


Didn't see that

[The Don]

Sigh. Nothing in my posts were personal to you, you could be anyone on the forum and I would still say exactly the same thing.

Anyway, you have your answer now don't you so I hope this will be the end of it all as I'm tired of seeing moderators taking all the blame. Lets leave your other issue in the complaints forum where it should be and end the discussion about that here. I'm sure Martin will send you an apology, although if he doesn't I wouldn't be at all surprised.


Omg, it’s like I say A and you interpret it as B, you are discussing an issue with me which is specifically about another individual, If that isn’t personal, I don’t know what is.

I never wanted to have an argument in the first place, it isn’t my fault moderation is so dire at the moment nor is it my fault that the cavalry comes flocking in when something slightly critical is posted in a feedback thread. I really couldn’t care less if Martin Apologised to me, we all know he was wrong and I’ve been cleared which is all that matters. You decided to turn this thread to about Martin with your response to my post (which left out any names and was blunt about the matter)

[xxMATTGxx]

Thread Closed

Think this thread has run it's course. We know what needs changing and it will all get sorted within the next couple of days hopefully. Any complaints about moderators action you can post it in the support forums by clicking here (www.habboxforum.com/support). Thanks to anyone who has provided feedback on Moderation and what changes can be applied to the department overall to make it better.

Any questions then don't hesitate to contact a member of General Management or Brandon for when he is back.



Although I do expect one of these threads again sometime tomorrow.